Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Namaste Patricia, Yes, I believe circumcision is an attempted form of sacrifice to symbolize the unique creative powers of the genital organs. It can often mean the denial of sexual pleasures for the sake of creation of new life. This latter idea, however, can take a negative toll as graphically shown in jyotish. Specifically, the 8th house is, among other things, the indicator of the generative organs. The attempt to deny this field is signified by the 8th house. Thus, the 8th house from the 8th house becomes the 3rd house. The 3rd house is the field of symbols and communications. But at the same time the third house signifies the field of kama or desires. In modern parlance, the denial of the potential of the generative organs is merely a symbolic gesture to signify the intended sacrifice. In effect, this denial can only lead to the increase of sexual appetites (perhaps even in unorthodox ways) since the 3rd house is the field of desires. Nonetheless, we should remember that the 8th house is a field of moksha (liberation) which is related to the 12th house (sacrifice) and the 4th house (the heart or home). More on this later... Regards, John R. valist, Patricia Robinett <patricia wrote: > > john, do you see how this fits in with the satan as denier of > pleasure idea? > > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 7:52 PM, John wrote: > > > Namaste Patricia and all: > > > > I read the web site containing your new book. I didn't realize they > > circumcised girls in the the USA. I thought this only happened in > > Africa. > > > > Personally, I was circumcised at about 10 years old by a doctor. It > > was a right of passage for all young boys in the Philippines. My > > father had his cut off with a bolo knife by an old man. > > > > I remember it was painful after the anesthesia wore off. Curiously, > > my female relatives wanted to see what it looked like after it was > > finished. And I foolishly obliged! But it was the culture back > > then. I'm sure it still is now. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > >> > >> On Apr 23, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Das Goravani wrote: > >> > >>> Astrology PROVES and is not a theory, but yes, it proves that we > >>> are all connected, like drops of water which follow each other > > down > >>> a flowing river. > >> > >> astrology provides that useful information. > >> it's humbling to know that it's all written, > >> scripted, and all we need do is flow with the river. > >> > >>> All the material in the universe, including the atoms of our > >>> bodies, are floating together. It is known that our solar > > system > >>> is moving TOGETHER through the stars like a frisbee disc flying > >>> through space. The rest of space , or I mean the matter, the > > stars > >>> etc., are also all interrelated inasmuch as a black hole sucks > > what > >>> is around it, not something far away, yet. > >> > >> i have a friend who calls it 'energy soup.' > >> > >>> All is interrelated. This is actually VERY basic, but yet to be > >>> grasped by most humans. This is one reason I dislike > > Christianity > >>> so much- it propounds that you can be totally separate. > > Actually > >>> this is taught by any "God the Father Personalism" religion > >>> including Vaisnavism. That's why the Hare Krishna movement > > doesn't > >>> allow Jyotish ads in their main movement magazine. The fact is, > >>> predeterminism and "all is one" thought flys in the face of the > >>> idea of "Praying to God to change my life". > >> > >> yes, very superstitious. > >> and yet, i read a lot of superstition on this list too. > >> to me, if it involves fear, it is superstition. > >> > >>> There is a one, a whole, a flow, which is going on. Jyotish > > proves > >>> this. And if you think of Jyotish, how charts are formed, you > > will > >>> see that children born close in time in nearby cities have very > >>> similar but slightly different charts, and they usually end up > >>> enduring the same things in life...the same schools, the same > > local > >>> leaders, the same local weather, sometimes the same death from > >>> natural disaster,...etc. > >> > >> yes, it's beautiful. > >>> > >>> It's so clear to me, personally. I need no theories from any > >>> scientist. The blowing wind first hits the tree on the edge of > > the > >>> yard, then the next, then the next, in perfect order... There is > >>> nothing random, ever, ever, ever....all is one, in a flow, ALL > > IS > >>> ONE. There is NO escape either, only SARANAGATI or SURRENDER > >> > >> surrender to what, das? > >> i get from many of the posts here that the idea > >> is to 'surrender to 'fate'/the 'inevitable'' -- and suffer. > >> is that what all the masters have meant by 'surrender'? > >> i personally don't think so. > >> i think it is more as rumi and the other more romantic poets > >> have said, to surrender to the Lover. to Love itself... > >> to the Power of Life, which is the ultimate pleasure... > >> 'absolute beauty' is what socrates called it. > >>> > >>> Maya, the delusion, is thinking we are separate. Again this is > > why > >>> I dislike "RELIGIONS" which "TEACH (?)" that you are an > >>> "individual" with "free will". > >> > >> i don't agree with religions that think we are separate from > >> one another or separate from the creative force, 'God.' > >> this is how i would read the concept of 'free will'... > >> we can choose, in any moment, > >> to identify with our idea of separation and > >> experience the fear and tension that engenders, > >> or enjoy the fact of oneness... absolute beauty. > >> that 'quiet melting in', that delicious acceptance of BEING. > >> that is where our 'free will' lies... not in 'doing.' > >> free will is our choice of where we place our attention. > >> we are always surrendered -- either to the limited mind, > >> the idea of separation -- or the awareness of unlimited, energy > > soup. > >> when we surrender to the flow of the river, the soup, > >> we are reliniquishing our loose canon of attention (judgment, > >> fear, anger, sorrow, grief, etc) to the nature of love, life, > > which > >> is all > >> that truly exists. the rest is just our trying to swim upstream. > >> we can be invested in the idea that things should be different -- > >> fight the flow of the river -- or just let go and be in the flow > > of > >> life, breath... > >> in this moment. in the now. fully present. conscious. aware. > > nice. > >> > >> right use of free will = intention to join with the 'forever'... > >> moment by moment, breath by breath. > >> > >>> They should look at the words. "WILL" means only "WANTING". > > Hah! > >>> Not GETTING. > >> > >> my dictionary says something quite different. > >> nothing about wanting. perhaps you are thinking > >> of the word, 'wish'? > >> > >> love, patricia > >> > >> Buy my NEW BOOK > >> "The Rape of Innocence : > >> One Woman's Story of > >> Female Genital Mutilation in the USA" > >> at http://www.AesculapiusPress.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANNOUNCING the release of my new book... > > THE RAPE OF INNOCENCE : > One Woman's Story of Female Genital Mutilation in the USA" > > A high-quality trade paperback > 110 pages > 7" x 8.5" x .25" > Retail price $19.95 > > Terms: Batches of 3, 30% discount > Batches of 5, 40% discount > Shipping included > No returns > > I will be happy to send an e-book for your review. > > Sincerely, > Patricia Robinett > > p.s. See front and back of book cover, chapter title > and excerpt at http://www.AesculapiusPress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 On May 9, 2006, at 11:43 AM, John wrote: > Yes, I believe circumcision is an attempted form of sacrifice to > symbolize the unique creative powers of the genital organs. It can > often mean the denial of sexual pleasures for the sake of creation of > new life. This latter idea, however, can take a negative toll as > graphically shown in jyotish. how is that? i don't understand the jyotish 'take' on it. > > Specifically, the 8th house is, among other things, the indicator of > the generative organs. The attempt to deny this field is signified > by the 8th house. Thus, the 8th house from the 8th house becomes the > 3rd house. The 3rd house is the field of symbols and > communications. But at the same time the third house signifies the > field of kama or desires. interesting. i read an astro book once that said mercury in the 3rd indicates genital deformity... > > In modern parlance, the denial of the potential of the generative > organs is merely a symbolic gesture to signify the intended > sacrifice. In effect, this denial can only lead to the increase of > sexual appetites (perhaps even in unorthodox ways) since the 3rd > house is the field of desires. i believe you are right there. circumcision can set up an obsession, a fixation, on the wound. the trauma distracts us totally from bliss. so you could say that circumcision is not just abuse, it is diabolical. > > Nonetheless, we should remember that the 8th house is a field of > moksha (liberation) which is related to the 12th house (sacrifice) > and the 4th house (the heart or home). More on this later... thanks, john. love, patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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