Ahimsa = No Woman, quite often, in the West

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Hi Das,

 

 

 

I also became vegetarian through the same source of inspiration as you did

(since 1982). I generally get every opportunity I get to protest against

animal slaughter practiced in Portugal (especially bullfighting). I also

read many articles on why we should support such protest, but I confess, I

never read such a convincing text on how aware and conscious animals and

other living creatures are as yours.

 

 

 

Thanks,

Rama

 

 

 

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"auromirra19" <nalini2818

<valist>

Monday, May 08, 2006 12:38 AM

Re: Ahimsa = No Woman, quite often, in the West

 

 

> {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> Dear Das,

> It goes without saying that underneath all that *stuff* you are such

> a softie, so caring and conscious of pain-inflicting them on even

> animals leave alone humans.It is through pain, suffering, the whole

> set of experiences( I am sure you have had more than your share)

> that truth emerges.Believe me I have too gone through the entire

> gamut of pain and that has made me stronger and more spiritual

> (nothing to do with religion} and a much better person than I was.

> For your sake I wish that your *wish* comes true, soon,

> Best wishes

> Nalini

> {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya)

>

>

> valist, Das Goravani <> wrote:

>>

>>

>> When I was 19, I read Swami Prabhupada's book "The Science of Self

>> Realization", one afternoon in August, on a porch in the sunlight,

> right

>> before my 3rd yr of college.

>>

>> At one point, it hit me, what he was saying about animal

> slaughter. I

>> realized I agreed with him, and that I didn't want to be party to

> needless

>> slaughter of animals, when we can so easily live off the bounty of

> the

>> Earth's vegetation.

>>

>> Since then, 27 years ago, I have never eaten meat, fish or eggs,

> just like

>> he said in the book.

>>

>> Nowadays, the idea of intimite love with a woman haunts me like my

> shadow.

>> Spring fever, no, it's always been there since my divorce in 95.

> I've

>> carried it as a pain causing desire, a longing, a hope, a wish,

> but it's

>> always painful. Never mind saying "Give it up", for I try. It

> doesn't go

>> away.

>>

>> But my purpose in writing now is this: If I were a meat eater,

> and if I

>> liked having dogs in my house, I could have any pick of woman. I

> am trying

>> to "date", trying to "court" through the internet website devoted

> to this.

>> All the single woman my age range have dogs, and LOVE their dogs.

> Many of

>> them have the dogs sleep on or even in their beds at night.

> Yuck. I really

>> have never liked the stinky creatures. Oh they're find, OUTSIDE,

> but NEVER

>> inside. Even outside, they are always pooping and barking. I

> don't need

>> that.

>>

>> Then there's the meat eating. Most people in the West, even here

> in Eugene

>> where we have lots of vegetarians SUPPOSEDLY, mostly they all eat

> meat. So,

>> ever woman in the ads, 1. Has a dog, and 2. Eats meat.

>>

>> I tried to overlook these things. I tried hard, but I can't.

> It's just not

>> me to overlook THESE two things.

>>

>> Let me give a couple examples about how animals appear to me:

>>

>> I have a fish tank. These are tropical tetra fish. Small little

> colorful

>> fish from the tropics. Neon Tetras, Corie Cats, Little Black

> Sharks (like 1

>> inch long), and other ones I don't konw the names of, but they are

> all about

>> 1 inch long. There's about 10 of them.

>>

>> When I got the black sharks, there was two. After just a couple

> days

>> though, one of them obviously started dieing. Here's the odd

> thing: The

>> surviving one kept trying to push the one having trouble up to the

> surface,

>> and when it listed to one side, it would nudge it and straighten

> it out.

>> During this desperate period of assisting his dieing buddy, he

> would also

>> run around the tank real fast, seemingly alerting the other fish,

> who would

>> noticeably become disturbed, and go and "see" the dieing fish, and

> then

>> after a short look, they would slowly swim away.

>>

>> The biggest fish however nudged the dieing one down to the bottom

> and

>> literally performed mouth to mouth recessitation. It was

> amazing. It died

>> anyway.

>>

>> Recently the big ones time had come. I could clearly see all the

> other fish

>> being very concerned. They would visit him during his last few

> days.

>> Constantly going over to where he was laying, breathing slowly,

> and they

>> would sit there and just stare at him.

>>

>> I can tell, absolutely clearly, that these dinky little fish can

> think, can

>> understand things like death, and sickness, and they have

> feelings, and

>> awareness. They seem to care, and be alarmed.

>>

>> Rabbits. When I was a kid I raised Rabbits. I had cages with

> lots of them.

>> Sometimes they became so numerous my father insisted on

> slaughtering some of

>> them. We would take those chosen for death in a box to the local

> Rabbitry.

>> There, they would "clean" them for you, and hand you back your

> meat. They

>> allowed us to watch.

>>

>> I saw a wheel barrow brought in with a cage full of Rabbits. They

> were all

>> peacefull when outside, but as SOON AS they could SEE that OTHER

> RABBITS

>> were being hung up on hooks and their heads were being instantly

> SLICED OFF,

>> they began to SCREAM. YES, SCREAM!

>>

>> Rabbits can scream really loud. You never hear it unless they are

> afraid

>> for their lives. But they ALL started SCREAMING in the cage and

> darting

>> around inside the cage like crazy. They evaded the hand reaching

> in to grab

>> them, as best they could, and screamed until each had his neck

> snapped, and

>> hung upon the hook. These impressions stayed with me.

>>

>> Because my LITTLE fish have feelings, I know TROUT and SALMON and

> ALBACORE

>> and TUNA and so on, all do as well. We all know Whales have

> families. We

>> all know elephants bury their dead, but the fact is, even dinky

> animals have

>> strong awareness and feelings.

>>

>> I cannot kill them and eat them, when their is alternatives. And

> frankly,

>> eating flesh is like eating part of a human. It's incredibly

> gross to me.

>>

>> But what this means, is that I cannot easily get a woman of my own

> race in

>> my own town. Oh sure, I can go to India, but then I'd have to be

> a Hindu

>> pretty much, and have the whole family over, and smell like

> Turmeric and

>> Hing for the rest of my life (I'm kidding here folks).

>>

>> I was hoping for a lady of my own race, my own area, for the sake

> of shared

>> consciousness.

>>

>> This is a bummer.

>>

>> My vrata, my feelings, for animals, is greatly affecting my life,

> and for

>> it, I have to tolerate this awful shadow of pain that follows me

> around.

>>

>> Maybe someday soon it will be solved. I sure hope so. I've hurt

> long

>> enough.

>>

>> Richard MacKay Vuerst

>> Das Goravani

>>

 

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[Guest guest]

if you read john robbins' book, 'diet for a new america'

you will find that all factory farming is heartless.

so i also don't use any dairy products.

 

animals raised for their milk are prisoners, slaves.

 

but then, heck, i also don't do dairy for my health's sake...

i'm not a calf. milk products make me emotional, make

me feel like a baby. very very emotional. give me a

stomach ache, make me look ugly.

 

and when people ask, 'what do you eat for protein?'

i ask them back, 'what do cows eat for protein?'

and so i eat a lot of greens.

 

bypass the cow.

let cows be free.

and grow up.

 

love, patricia

 

On May 8, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Rama Raghava das wrote:

 

> I also became vegetarian through the same source of inspiration as

> you did

> (since 1982). I generally get every opportunity I get to protest

> against

> animal slaughter practiced in Portugal (especially bullfighting). I

> also

> read many articles on why we should support such protest, but I

> confess, I

> never read such a convincing text on how aware and conscious

> animals and

> other living creatures are as yours.

 

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