A view less viewed: action-action, karma-action

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stupidity and alike. But AVAJ, new buzz words came in fashion, democracy,

positive thinking, spiritual-man, not looser but spiritual- continuance of the

above mentioned meaning of 'action' but in reverse, the 'negative'/photo./ of

it, "action" in disguise which is going to earn negative connotation soon, and

either a good insight, or new buzz words. Americans use KARMA= FATE, so we

talk about two different types of phenomena under the same name. thus a ground

for misunderstanding AnnaDas Goravani <das (AT) goravani (DOT) com> wrote: Hi

PatriciaYou do not know Hinduism. Das ist fer sur.Karma means "work". That's

all. It refers to "action". It does not meanbad or good. There are other words

like ugrakarma, vikarma, akarma, etc.,that

refer to the various forms that action and work can aquire or be.There are

forbiden works, awful works, good works, etc., so the prefix isall important.

Americans use this word much too sloppily, in other words.And in the Gita,

Krishna says He Himself is the founder of Real Dharma,which means "duties"

which is really the closest word to religion in thecommon Hindu languages. So

in Hindu religion, they see GOD as the founder,so there's no way you can say

"Religion is BS" to BELIEVING Hindus.Nowadays many are mixed, quite

westernized, and they will agree with you.On this list we have those, but we

also have older Brahmins, who stick tothe old ways. Judgementalism is

impossible to eradicate because it is a primary forcewithin creation. It is

referred to by some as the survival of the fittest,and in other more human

circles as "classes". In fact, we are allconstantly judging everything, like

whether to cross a street, or

whether totalk to a person. We have to discriminate. This is the same as

judgeing.I guess you mean final judgement upon a person for all time. Yeah,

that's abit too binding. But we are always judging each other in our minds. To

sayotherwise in my opinion is simply a lie. As long as Jupiter exists, so

willJudgment. And Jupiter will always exist.As for original sin, the Vedas have

something similar. However, the detailsof this are in argument forever. But one

thing is certain, we suffer here,we are not in control, and we don't know where

or why we are here. So thisvery much smacks of a prison. The Vedas call it a

prison. Prison ispunishment. And we were born here, kindof indicating that

there might havebeen some mistake made in a previous life or place. Or, we NEED

to be hereto learn, like kids.Either way, there seems to be some primordial flaw

because we are imprisonedand suffering. It makes sense as one

theory.i think, life is hard; life is hard.i think, life is easy; life is easy.i

think, life is fun; life is fun.we are always experiencing the effects of our

thinkingand doing. but eternal hell is not our lot. nothing isall that bad.

Sorry Patricia, this is just over the top. You are really misled. I thinkyou

need a tour of real suffering, and we'll let you preach this stuffthere, and

we'll take you to the hospital after people with real sufferingmutilate you for

your offensive optimism.Nothing is all that bad.Yeah, OK, nothing is so bad.

Hmmm. Vietnam? Iraq? Leg blown off, Iraqiruns at you with knife, and starts

sawing at your throat so he can show offyour head.There's an old saying in the

British Army, that if you are "hit" inAfghanistan, then roll over onto your

rifle and shoot yourself, because ifyou don't, it won't be long before the

Afghan woman come over to saw you

upalive into useful little pieces. Um.Or, how about Leprosy, and you live in the

Calcutta train station?Or how about the shit I've been through. I once enjoyed

cutting myselfbecause it felt good compared to the horror of what was going on

in my head.You are in some sort of happy space right now in life. For all I

know youtake some happy drug you're not telling us about. But one things for

sure,you have forgotten that suffering exists, and is real. You quote the

Gita.The Gita says there is Hell, and I can vouchsafe for that one, and it

saysthere is immense suffering being dished out to the Jiva souls.If quoting

Hinduism in any way, please remember that it fully recognizessuffering, as well

as the martial rule of a King, and Capital Punishment forthings like rape,

housebreakin, and other things. Also, many Hindu templeswill not let white

people in, because they are "too low class".So please, lets be

consistant.Here in Eugene you have so many hippie girls, barely dressed,

worshippingBob Marley and his Reggae Music. They have his picture EVERYWHERE

alongwith Jerry Garcia of the Greatful Dead.Little do they seem to know that

Bob Marley and his fellow Rastafaris arefull-on Bible thumping Black Jews who

think they are higher than whitee,think they can patriarchally abuse woman,

especially white woman. I mean,the girls who are "grooving to Marley" have no

idea how much MALICE he andhis men HOLD TOWARDS THEM.Similarly, Hinduism, the

Bhag. Gita, Patricia, they are so far away fromwhat you say, that to quote the

Gita in one of your posts is ironic.Ironic.You and your philosophy would

thoroughly offend any scholar/believer ofHinduism.This is why KN Rao, despite

his personal faults, could not tolerate comingto America. It was all this New

Age belief crap that he hated.Now please don't misunderstand

who I am here. I am not on his side, noryour side. I have my own side. I'm just

being a journalist here. I'm suremany Indians are reading this and saying "Yep,

that's all true".White people are doing with Hinduism what the Irish did with

Christianity.They adapted it to their previous beliefs and it became

"CelticChristianity" for awhile with some Druidic stuff retained.I've

experienced Hinduism central, the Orthodox original taught in Sanskritat a real

Ashram, one that shuns Westerners, not welcomes them, because itknows their

polluting effect on things Hindu. I learned there. I waslucky. What Patricia

speaks is new, it's a summary type of belief created by manysincere minds over

the last 5 decades mainly, it's a blend of common sense,obvious inferences,

Hinduism, Christianity, Gnostic stuff, Kabalic stuff,Egyption Stuff, American

Indian stuff, you name it, I call it "Trail Mix"after the food that is so

popular

amongst such persons since the 70's (I'mone of those people, just fell into a

puddle of Orthodoxy in another countrywhile my classmates all went on to

various American dreams and nightmares.>that is, perhaps how we humans think we

need to beso that we are not judgmental. but we can see seeclearly AND love each

other without condemnation.it's very possible. everyone is worthy. or

theywouldn't be breathing. spirit is breath. spirit findsus all worthy,

apparently. :)As one with a strong Jupiter, I have no intention of ever giving

upJudgement, or that is, discretion, the ability to know the best options

andpaths for myself and others. Giving up Judgement is just a string of

words.Seeing clearly? There is no standard to how to see. Clarity is also

arelative concept. No condemning? What would you do with Hitler after thewar if

he wasn't killed, and he was handed over to you Patricia?Spirit is Breath,

Spirit finds us all worthy apparently.This is only poetry. It has no real

meaning. If you mean to say thepresence of life is PROOF of "worthiness",

worthy for what? Love?What is love? My personal feeling is that LOVE Is when

there is LIKE andTRUST mixed, and when you mix LONGEVITY OF RELATIONSHIP then

Love starts todevelop. It is a bond. It has nothing to do with sex, which can

be takingplace, or not, between people who love each other.I will not and

cannot have a long relationship with certain types of peopleso I cannot love

them. I can respect, appreciate, honor, avoid, but notlove, the people I hate.

If someone attacks someone I love, then I killthem, with hatred in my heart.

Got a problem with that?The mumbo jumbo of words you rattle off so lengthy and

freely so oftenappears to me to be a lot like "religion"....alot of words with

littlemeaningful import.Sorry I'm on your case. Unfortunately I got really

burnt out on that kindof talk from somebody else a couple years back, and I'm

really not into it.Plus, I know you are tuff beyond comparison. I know you can

take anything.I know, you can kick my ass.ThanksRick/Das

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