Is perfection, infallability possible?

May 12, 2006

To have a perfect chart seems impossible. It seems the way the cast of

characters work, the signs, houses, and planets, are made such that there is

always built in afflictions. Like I have a great Jupiter, but Saturn is

there afflicting it. It seems that if you play the characters around like a

chess game, you can never come up with a carefree and perfectly moral, just

and overal well, perfect life. It seems, Impossible.

Which means, to me, that there can never be a perfect guru or pope. So,

movement like Hare Krishna and Catholic, where they say Prabhupada and Pope

are perfect, are kidding themselves, and setting themselves up for problems

down the road. This is my opinion.

Now, further, I have a theory that what we are doing here in this world, is

proving to ourselves as a large collective of souls, that we cannot have the

good lives we want while ignoring our oneness. Here we have individuality

and free will, so to speak, the illusion of. So, to me, it's alwys going to

have some bad thing ruining virtually everything. There seems to be NOTHING

here which is perfect, ever.

To me the meaning is that eventually we will collectively realize that all

must be one, and one for the all, and when we achieve this, we will

virtually end the material plane, and it will become spiritual. Something

along those lines. It is already true..but we are resisting and not willing

to see it...that we are all one, and everything each does affects all

others, and what all does affects the one, and only in one-ness

concsiousness purely, will we have the perfection we would love to have,

which will cause unlimited and unending happiness..

It's a theory, based on what I see, and Jyotish, and what all religions have

always taught, but few can follow.

I think it may be a big machine we agreed to enter to learn the lesson or

re-learn the lesson, for, when something ends, it is over and forgotten not

matter how long it was, so, when this is over, even billions of passed

years, will seem only like a dream, and we shall emerge from teh machine,

the game, reminded of why we have oneness where we truly live.

Idea, thoughts, of Freya Daag, the day of love.

T rix ter

Sincerely,

Das Goravani (Richard Vuerst-MachAeoidh)

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May 12, 2006

That is some good stuff. Like beauty, I think perfection is in the

eye/mind of the beholder.

Regarding the big machine, each part needs to function well within

the whole of the machine for the machine to function well. That

makes sense that when a part "forgets" its relationship to the whole

and starts doing its thing w/o regard for the whole then the whole is

affected. Just like in cancer when the cell's memory is corrupted

and forgets its proper function and starts doing it own thing.

I believe that someone whose conscious awareness is so expanded that

he/she is able to hold the whole of the machine in their conscious

awareness then such a one is Guru and can help others to understand

and function properly within the whole. But I also believe that we

gets hints through the Buddhi, the intuition.

I have heard it expressed often that all we need to do is to do our

best to take care of the roles that we have been given to play. And

that makes sense. I believe Ashutosh said a while back that happiness

is found when our surroundings have been taken care of or something

like that -- in other words -- when we have taken care of what has

been presented to us to take care of.

I have to say that I have been neglecting some things that could be

taken care of in order to post messages & read others comments on

this list. I do not have the role of an astrologer or of a student

of astrology only that of a fan of astrology. When people write

requesting astological knowledge or prediction, I am not able to

help. Writing here & reading the posts is like an addiction. I know

there are things that I need to take care of off the list that I have

been neglecting for the past few days.

So if you don't hear from me for awhile then take it to mean I have

been successful in getting a grip on what I have been called to

handle.

Though, I like the people here and in general this list has really,

really good vibes. I am just not able to handle it in moderation.

Best wishes to all.

valist, Das Goravani <> wrote:

>

> To have a perfect chart seems impossible. It seems the way the

cast of

> characters work, the signs, houses, and planets, are made such that

there is

> always built in afflictions. Like I have a great Jupiter, but

Saturn is

> there afflicting it. It seems that if you play the characters

around like a

> chess game, you can never come up with a carefree and perfectly

moral, just

> and overal well, perfect life. It seems, Impossible.

>

> Which means, to me, that there can never be a perfect guru or pope.

So,

> movement like Hare Krishna and Catholic, where they say Prabhupada

and Pope

> are perfect, are kidding themselves, and setting themselves up for

problems

> down the road. This is my opinion.

>

> Now, further, I have a theory that what we are doing here in this

world, is

> proving to ourselves as a large collective of souls, that we cannot

have the

> good lives we want while ignoring our oneness. Here we have

individuality

> and free will, so to speak, the illusion of. So, to me, it's alwys

going to

> have some bad thing ruining virtually everything. There seems to

be NOTHING

> here which is perfect, ever.

>

> To me the meaning is that eventually we will collectively realize

that all

> must be one, and one for the all, and when we achieve this, we will

> virtually end the material plane, and it will become spiritual.

Something

> along those lines. It is already true..but we are resisting and

not willing

> to see it...that we are all one, and everything each does affects

all

> others, and what all does affects the one, and only in one-ness

> concsiousness purely, will we have the perfection we would love to

have,

> which will cause unlimited and unending happiness..

>

> It's a theory, based on what I see, and Jyotish, and what all

religions have

> always taught, but few can follow.

>

> I think it may be a big machine we agreed to enter to learn the

lesson or

> re-learn the lesson, for, when something ends, it is over and

forgotten not

> matter how long it was, so, when this is over, even billions of

passed

> years, will seem only like a dream, and we shall emerge from teh

machine,

> the game, reminded of why we have oneness where we truly live.

>

> Idea, thoughts, of Freya Daag, the day of love.

>

> T rix ter

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Das Goravani (Richard Vuerst-MachAeoidh)

>

> (Please use email to communicate with me)

>

> For online ordering and all information see our website:

>

> http://www.Goravani.com

>

> Astrology Software, Training Videos, Chart Printouts

> and paintings by Das Goravani

>

> Eugene OR 97405

>

May 12, 2006

Is perfection, infallability possible?The chart represents many things in a life one being the flow of events. Now since Christ was crucified and Srila Prabhupada had some health problems it can not be said that the flow of events were perfect. However the continuos God consciousness of such personalities under often provoking circumstances indicates that it is possible to be perfect in consciousness even though external circumstances may be trying.

Kind regards

Nicholas