Paralyzed over loneliness

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dear Das namaste.

 

Just out of curiosity I happened to look at your chart.

 

Your running with Me-Me-Ve-Ve. Hinges around 3, 6, 2, 1 and 7 houses. Mercury is

deep combust, spoils its signification. Your loneliness is perhaps more having

to do with Saturn influence on Venus. Transiting Saturn finds its navamsha

position on its and venues natal position in navamsha. It is Nidhanamsha,

always bad period for married life. before May this year things should take

better.

 

Best wishes,

 

Mohan Hegde.

-

Das Goravani

valist

Monday, January 16, 2006 7:56 PM

Paralyzed over loneliness

Please consider what it’s like to have a good life you love, but to be

paralyzed because of long term loneliness or aloneness. That is my situation

it seems. I cannot go on effectively. I have lost interest in life because I

am deprived of companionship. Being somewhat manic, I am awake a lot, and

nobody is there. I am eager to talk, and nobody is there to reciprocate. I

can provide, but still nobody is there. They tell me I am handsome, makes

little difference. A real partner I’ve not had. Is this my lot? I

cannot bear it. I live in pain over this, so intense, I can barely function,

and often cannot function and become a worry to my few family members or

friends. Does anyone know how to stop the paralysis of loneliness? I know

logically my loneliness could end at any moment one day. It happens suddenly,

to meet someone special. But I am paralyzed, and it is greatly affecting my

life. &nbs ThanksRick MacQuoid das (AT) goravani (DOT) comAIM: ROIKMACKAI

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Does anyone know how to stop the paralysis of loneliness?

 

Dear Das,

Loneliness will persist, even when surrounded by close friends and loved

ones, since its cure has nothing to do with being in contact with others.

Loving company may decrease its intensity and viciousness temporarily,

but you know it is always lying in wait to spring out and attack you again

and again.

Stop running from it-- as long as you run it will give chase, like an

cougar whose nature is to attack when you turn your back. It has no power

over your True Nature, and can never harm or threaten who you really are.

Turn around and run towards it instead, invite it in, get close to your

enemy, become one with it.

Sit in one place for a few hours, totally sober, and rally your warriour

spirit and challenge lowly loneliness to take its best shot. Don't move

from your seat, let it overwhelm you, let it call out its host of very vicious

devils to try and obliterate the greatness of your true spirit. It will

try every trick in the book to get you to turn and run.

It will say to you: "Your life is meaningless without relationship. You need

others to feel complete. You have no purpose and are completely worthless

without a significant partner in your life. Others have happy family lives,

why don't you? Others are cared for and loved, and you must have this too,

or your life is not worth living."

All the above statements are false and you know it--please call the bluff

of this thousand headed horror show by letting it throw every weapon in

its arsenal at you.

Please allow it to vent every insult, every threat and intimidation you

have always been afraid of.

Don't run from it by way of self pity, past regrets, guilt over past

behaviors,comparing yourself with the so called happy lives of others, or by

remembering happier days from former relationships. This is the only way to get

close enough

to it to end it.

It will lash out with 10,000 intimidations, insults and threats. Please don't

run from it--continue to face every threat by sitting there calmly. It will

lose it's breath, it will falter, it will stumble, it will fail and

it will fall.

Taunt it by saying " Is that all you've got, you worthless piece of shit--go

ahead and make my day. Come on you vicious demon, I thought you said you

were going to destroy me. You can't destoy me, I am eternal and connected

to every atom in the universe, how is it that I have been buying for all

these years your bullshit about being separate? Go back to the hell you came

from, you are nothing--I am everything."

Best,

Steve

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excellent, steven.

love, patricia

 

 

On Jan 16, 2006, at 11:58 PM, Steven Stuckey wrote:

 

> Loneliness will persist, even when surrounded by close friends and

> loved ones, since its cure has nothing to do with being in contact

> with others.

> Loving company may decrease its intensity and viciousness

> temporarily, but you know it is always lying in wait to spring out

> and attack you again and again.

>

> Stop running from it-- as long as you run it will give chase, like

> an cougar whose nature is to attack when you turn your back. It has

> no power over your True Nature, and can never harm or threaten who

> you really are. Turn around and run towards it instead, invite it

> in, get close to your enemy, become one with it.

>

> Sit in one place for a few hours, totally sober, and rally your

> warriour spirit and challenge lowly loneliness to take its best

> shot. Don't move from your seat, let it overwhelm you, let it call

> out its host of very vicious devils to try and obliterate the

> greatness of your true spirit. It will try every trick in the book

> to get you to turn and run.

>

> It will say to you: "Your life is meaningless without relationship.

> You need others to feel complete. You have no purpose and are

> completely worthless without a significant partner in your life.

> Others have happy family lives, why don't you? Others are cared for

> and loved, and you must have this too, or your life is not worth

> living."

>

> All the above statements are false and you know it--please call the

> bluff of this thousand headed horror show by letting it throw every

> weapon in its arsenal at you.

> Please allow it to vent every insult, every threat and intimidation

> you have always been afraid of.

>

> Don't run from it by way of self pity, past regrets, guilt over

> past behaviors,comparing yourself with the so called happy lives of

> others, or by remembering happier days from former relationships.

> This is the only way to get close enough to it to end it.

>

> It will lash out with 10,000 intimidations, insults and threats.

> Please don't run from it--continue to face every threat by sitting

> there calmly. It will lose it's breath, it will falter, it will

> stumble, it will fail and it will fall.

> Taunt it by saying " Is that all you've got, you worthless piece of

> shit--go ahead and make my day. Come on you vicious demon, I

> thought you said you were going to destroy me. You can't destoy me,

> I am eternal and connected to every atom in the universe, how is it

> that I have been buying for all these years your bullshit about

> being separate? Go back to the hell you came from, you are nothing--

> I am everything."

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harm or threaten who you really are. Turn around and run towards it instead,

invite it in, get close to your enemy, become one with it. Sit in one place

for a few hours, totally sober, and rally your warriour spirit and challenge

lowly loneliness to take its best shot. Don't move from your seat, let it

overwhelm you, let it call out its host of very vicious devils to try and

obliterate the greatness of your true spirit. It will try every trick in the

book to get you to turn and run. It will say to you: "Your life is meaningless

without relationship. You need others to feel complete. You have no purpose and

are completely worthless without a significant partner in your life. Others

have happy family lives, why don't you? Others are cared for and loved, and you

must have this too, or your life is not worth living." All the above

statements are false and you know it--please call the bluff of this thousand

headed horror show by letting it throw every weapon in its arsenal at you.

Please allow it to vent every insult, every threat and intimidation you have

always been afraid of. Don't run from it by way of self pity, past regrets,

guilt over past behaviors,comparing yourself with the so called happy lives of

others, or by remembering happier days from former relationships. This is the

only way to get close enough to it to end it. It will lash out with 10,000

intimidations, insults and threats. Please don't run from it--continue to face

every threat by sitting there calmly. It will lose it's breath, it will

falter, it will stumble, it will fail and it will fall. Taunt it by saying "

Is that all you've got, you worthless piece of shit--go ahead and make my day.

Come on you vicious demon, I thought you said you were going to destroy me. You

can't destoy me, I am eternal and connected to every atom in the universe, how

is it that

I have been buying for all these years your bullshit about being separate? Go

back to the hell you came from, you are nothing--I am everything." Best,

Steve

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Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

> Steve,

>

> Just to wanted to say how much I liked your take on this subject.

> Very thoughtful. Not to say that I have precisely followed the letter

> of this advice, just in spirit.

>

> This idea of the need to first accept one's situation as a ineluctable

> fact seems to me a good way to deal with things that we do not and

> perhaps cannot have. If you will not accept them, then happiness will

> be forever elusive. The personal changes necessary to secure that

> which is desired can only come after. At least that's how I read it.

>

> thanks,

> Christopher

>

 

Hi Chris,

 

I agree that accepting and understanding one's situation and basic

nature may be the first step to achieving some sort of peace and

happiness. We have to first be what we are before we can change what we are.

 

Loneliness I think is something we all deal with on some level. My

personal opinion is that it arises due to lack of contact with the

higher self, soul, spirit or whatever you want to call it. One can be

alone and not be lonely, but if one is lonely, then he is always alone.

 

Astrologically, the Moon occupying a dusthana, in a kemadruma yoga, can

give one a life of much time spent alone. Persons that have this

combination also tend to attract friends with a similar lunar placement,

by the rule of like attracts like I suppose. Whether one that has this

planetary placement is 'lonely' though is another question all together.

 

A good illustration of the point about moving so close to a problem that

it disappears, can be seen in the movie 'The Matrix" (part I) near the

end of the movie. Keannu Reeves, after his spiritual awakening, finally

destroys his enemy by running towards him and literally jumping inside

of him, causing him (the agent/enemy) to die by exploding from within.

 

This is a powerful technique for ending severe problems and I can't

agree with Rick that it is simply "cute". My dog is very 'cute' and so

is the little nick nack that I got for Christmas-- this is not cute, but

it can be a 'cure'.

 

The best time astrologically for ending any particular problem is when

transiting Saturn is closely aspecting the planet in question. Saturn

gradually brings a problem from the unconscious to the conscious mind

and gives one the possibility of getting rid of it forever( since Saturn

rules elimination ). The psychological pain involved in such a transit

is only due to resistance to the healing process. This is more likely to

happen when Saturn stations in close aspect to a planet, thereby giving

a strong signal of it's intentions and forcing a deep inner conflict out

into the open. Calling for the help of God and masters during this time

may help effect a permanent cure.

I offer my respects to Shani Deva.

 

Best wishes,

 

Steve

 

 

 

>

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On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Steven Stuckey wrote:

 

> I agree that accepting and understanding one's situation and basic

> nature may be the first step to achieving some sort of peace and

> happiness. We have to first be what we are before we can change

> what we are.

 

steven, i love your writing and your clarity. all i can do is nod my

head, yes. yes. yes.

>

> Loneliness I think is something we all deal with on some level. My

> personal opinion is that it arises due to lack of contact with the

> higher self, soul, spirit or whatever you want to call it. One can be

> alone and not be lonely, but if one is lonely, then he is always

> alone.

 

yes. absolutely. that has been the key for me.

i don't know where you live but in the US, the idea of

separation from one's Self can be quite deeply reinforced. i always

thought this is the place to be born to grow the strongest spiritual

muscles, because the challenge is so very great. the illusion is so

convincing here. there is such a pull 'outward', away from our nature.

so much potential for distraction. not a lot of encouragement to go

within and be still.

>

> Astrologically, the Moon occupying a dusthana, in a kemadruma yoga,

> can

> give one a life of much time spent alone. Persons that have this

> combination also tend to attract friends with a similar lunar

> placement,

> by the rule of like attracts like I suppose. Whether one that has this

> planetary placement is 'lonely' though is another question all

> together.

 

i would like to know more about that. i know very little about my new

wonderful vedic program.

>

> This is a powerful technique for ending severe problems and I can't

> agree with Rick that it is simply "cute". My dog is very 'cute'

> and so

> is the little nick nack that I got for Christmas-- this is not

> cute, but

> it can be a 'cure'.

 

i find the content and expression of your posts profound, loving,

caring,

empowering. 'cute' was an inappropriate choice of words. gratitude

would be more appropriate response. i appreciate your generous sharing.

>

> The best time astrologically for ending any particular problem is when

> transiting Saturn is closely aspecting the planet in question. Saturn

> gradually brings a problem from the unconscious to the conscious mind

> and gives one the possibility of getting rid of it forever( since

> Saturn

> rules elimination ). The psychological pain involved in such a transit

> is only due to resistance to the healing process. This is more

> likely to

> happen when Saturn stations in close aspect to a planet, thereby

> giving

> a strong signal of it's intentions and forcing a deep inner

> conflict out

> into the open. Calling for the help of God and masters during this

> time

> may help effect a permanent cure.

 

that's very interesting. i am experiencing a saturn return. western

astrologers don't see the beauty of saturn. edgar cayce said it was

all about change. that is what i have experienced with saturn.

 

yes, all pain comes from resistance... and 'resistance is futile', i

hear.

better to just relax and let transits be simple and easy and full of

love...

i have seen transits bring such gifts.... sometimes hidden in what has

been perceived at the time as torturous conditions and situations.

transformational transits are not to make life hell for us

but to help us shed the hell we have made for ourselves with our

self-imposed mental and emotional prisons.

 

i like to encourage people to discover the 'highest and best' purpose

of each planet, aspect, house, transit, and then to steer their ship

toward the beauty they want to see manifest in their lives... not

demanding specific outcomes, but more enjoying the feelings they will

have when they are in the conditions/situations they love to experience.

 

chaos attracts chaos; peace draws peace to us. and so on.

 

best wishes!

 

love, patricia

 

"All healing is essentially the release from fear."

 

patricia

www.patriciarobinett.com

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accepting one's foibles as they are) are the preconditions to making more

satisfying connections with others. There are few personal ads out there where

a person is actively seeking a depressed or negative partner. People want to

benefit in some way from their liaisons with others. That doesn't necessarily

make them mercenary, it's simply stating a fact of human nature. cheers,Chris

Steven Stuckey <shastra (AT) gotsky (DOT) com> wrote: Christopher Kevill wrote:> Steve,>>

Just to wanted to say how much I liked your take on this subject. > Very

thoughtful. Not to say that I have precisely followed the letter > of this

advice, just in spirit.>> This idea of the need to first accept one's situation

as a ineluctable > fact seems to me a good way to

deal with things that we do not and > perhaps cannot have. If you will not

accept them, then happiness will > be forever elusive. The personal changes

necessary to secure that > which is desired can only come after. At least

that's how I read it.>> thanks,> Christopher>Hi Chris,I agree that accepting

and understanding one's situation and basic nature may be the first step to

achieving some sort of peace and happiness. We have to first be what we are

before we can change what we are.Loneliness I think is something we all deal

with on some level. My personal opinion is that it arises due to lack of

contact with the higher self, soul, spirit or whatever you want to call it. One

can be alone and not be lonely, but if one is lonely, then he is always

alone.Astrologically, the Moon occupying a dusthana, in a kemadruma yoga, can

give one a life of much time spent alone. Persons that

have this combination also tend to attract friends with a similar lunar

placement, by the rule of like attracts like I suppose. Whether one that has

this planetary placement is 'lonely' though is another question all together.A

good illustration of the point about moving so close to a problem that it

disappears, can be seen in the movie 'The Matrix" (part I) near the end of the

movie. Keannu Reeves, after his spiritual awakening, finally destroys his enemy

by running towards him and literally jumping inside of him, causing him (the

agent/enemy) to die by exploding from within.This is a powerful technique for

ending severe problems and I can't agree with Rick that it is simply "cute". My

dog is very 'cute' and so is the little nick nack that I got for Christmas--

this is not cute, but it can be a 'cure'.The best time astrologically for

ending any particular problem is when transiting Saturn is closely aspecting

the

planet in question. Saturn gradually brings a problem from the unconscious to

the conscious mind and gives one the possibility of getting rid of it forever(

since Saturn rules elimination ). The psychological pain involved in such a

transit is only due to resistance to the healing process. This is more likely

to happen when Saturn stations in close aspect to a planet, thereby giving a

strong signal of it's intentions and forcing a deep inner conflict out into the

open. Calling for the help of God and masters during this time may help effect a

permanent cure.I offer my respects to Shani Deva.Best wishes,Steve>To

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Patricia Robinett wrote:

steven, i love your writing and your clarity. all i can do is nod my

head, yes. yes. yes.

Hi Patricia,

Thank you---clarity for me comes only in spurts, when the waters

of darkness subside a bit and I can manage to swim to the beach and take a rest.

I think this experience is common to many who are consciously struggling to

understand who and what they are.

yes. absolutely. that has been the key for me.

i don't know where you live but in the US, the idea of

separation from one's Self can be quite deeply reinforced. i always

thought this is the place to be born to grow the strongest spiritual

muscles, because the challenge is so very great. the illusion is so

convincing here. there is such a pull 'outward', away from our nature.

so much potential for distraction. not a lot of encouragement to go

within and be still.

I don't know know if the culture has a large influence on this

problem or if it is simply an existential condition for all times and all places.

Astrologically, the Moon occupying a dusthana, in a kemadruma yoga, can

give one a life of much time spent alone. Persons that have this

combination also tend to attract friends with a similar lunar placement,

by the rule of like attracts like I suppose. Whether one that has this

planetary placement is 'lonely' though is another question all together.

 

i would like to know more about that. i know very little about my new

wonderful vedic program.

"Kemadruma" is one of the lunar yogas where there are no planets

on either side of the Moon (excluding the Sun and Nodes). That is, no

planets in the 12th or 2nd houses from the Moon. The idea is that the

Moon receives its light from the Sun and in this sense needs support and

integration in general to work well in a chart.

The results of this 'yoga' are generally negative for the indications

of the Moon, i.e. mental health and peace, wealth, wife, etc and is supposed to

lead to misery, failures, physical illness and humiliation.

No yoga should be necessarily taken so literally however as there are many ways

the negative results can be mitigated--for instance if the

Moon is well aspected and occupying a kendra or angular house (1, 4,

7, 10 ) etc. or trinal house (1, 5, 9) there would be a more positive outcome.

My worst case scenario of 'kemadruma' as given above, the Moon

in a dusthana (6, 8, 12), and adding to that, receiving no aspects by

benefics or receiving only aspects from malefics. Since the Moon is

the most social planet (in my opinion), this combination may make one

more of an introvert, lacking social graces, spending time alone and

therefore may contribute much to feelings of isolation and loneliness.

i find the content and expression of your posts profound, loving, caring,

empowering. 'cute' was an inappropriate choice of words. gratitude

would be more appropriate response. i appreciate your generous sharing.

Thank you......

that's very interesting. i am experiencing a saturn return. western

astrologers don't see the beauty of saturn. edgar cayce said it was

all about change. that is what i have experienced with saturn.

yes, all pain comes from resistance... and 'resistance is futile', i hear.

better to just relax and let transits be simple and easy and full of love...

i have seen transits bring such gifts.... sometimes hidden in what has

been perceived at the time as torturous conditions and situations.

transformational transits are not to make life hell for us

but to help us shed the hell we have made for ourselves with our

self-imposed mental and emotional prisons.

It's often hard to see the benefits of 'hellish' transits when they

are acting in full power. Avoidance and resistance are normal reactions

in the beginning--we are initially hoping to quickly transform or 'get

out of ' difficult conditions that are being set up by planetary movement.

There is strong desire to keep the status quo--but the slowness of Saturns'

movement, coupled with Rx and Direct stations over a point has a tendency

to wear down even the best of 'warriors'. It finally dawns on us (hopefully),

that the universe is probably going to get its way in the end, so whether

we understand it or not at the time, it is Thy Will and not my will that

is going to win.

I'd like to think that God just wants to give us a larger lollipop

than the one we are covetously clutching, but if you think of some of

the horrendous things that have happened and continue to happen to people,

it does make you wonder. This is where logic and rational thought are always

going to fail, and only direct insight is going to save us. If one doesn't

have direct insight, then I suppose the next best thing, for sanity's

sake, is to try and suspend judgment and just get on with our life as

best we can.

i like to encourage people to discover the 'highest and best' purpose

of each planet, aspect, house, transit, and then to steer their ship

toward the beauty they want to see manifest in their lives... not

demanding specific outcomes, but more enjoying the feelings they will

have when they are in the conditions/situations they love to experience.

I like the "not demanding specific outcomes"--a hard one for me.

Best,

Steve

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On Jan 20, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Steven Stuckey wrote:

 

> "Kemadruma" is one of the lunar yogas where there are no planets on

> either side of the Moon (excluding the Sun and Nodes). That is, no

> planets in the 12th or 2nd houses from the Moon. The idea is that

> the Moon receives its light from the Sun and in this sense needs

> support and integration in general to work well in a chart.

> The results of this 'yoga' are generally negative for the

> indications of the Moon, i.e. mental health and peace, wealth,

> wife, etc and is supposed to lead to misery, failures, physical

> illness and humiliation.

> No yoga should be necessarily taken so literally however as there

> are many ways the negative results can be mitigated--for instance

> if the Moon is well aspected and occupying a kendra or angular

> house (1, 4, 7, 10 ) etc. or trinal house (1, 5, 9) there would be

> a more positive outcome.

> My worst case scenario of 'kemadruma' as given above, the Moon in a

> dusthana (6, 8, 12), and adding to that, receiving no aspects by

> benefics or receiving only aspects from malefics. Since the Moon

> is the most social planet (in my opinion), this combination may

> make one more of an introvert, lacking social graces, spending time

> alone and therefore may contribute much to feelings of isolation

> and loneliness.

>

 

thanks, steve. that makes it pretty clear.

just a little more, to be certain i understand...

the houses before and after the house that holds the moon are empty?

is that correct? and that is in a chart with whole sign houses?

if a planet is in the next house at all, then there would not be

'kemadruma'?

i am fairly much a loner and i see that i have only an 'outer' planet

near my moon

(uranus within 30 degrees), and i have rahu, near UR, within 20 degrees.

but jupiter and venus are opposite, so would that help, or make

things worse?

 

that seems to draw an accurate picture of my childhood when i could

EITHER

1) be with my mother (moon) OR

2) feel joy (jupiter) and llove (venus)

 

sun-mars are trine moon by vedic measurements (130 degrees).

i can completely relate to your last sentence above.

gratefully, i have outgrown the sense of loneliness.

often still feel 'clueless' about social/human situations/interactions.

 

many thanks.

love, patricia

 

Patricia Robinett

patricia

 

"I am willing to see this differently."

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Patricia Robinett wrote:

thanks, steve. that makes it pretty clear.

just a little more, to be certain i understand...

the houses before and after the house that holds the moon are empty?

is that correct? and that is in a chart with whole sign houses?

if a planet is in the next house at all, then there would not be 'kemadruma'?

Hi Patricia,

Yes, whole sign houses and the house before and after the house holding the

Moon should be empty (Sun, Nodes and outer planets don't count here by the

traditional definition, so if they occupy these houses, you still have a

kemadruma).

i am fairly much a loner and i see that i have only an 'outer' planet near my moon

(uranus within 30 degrees), and i have rahu, near UR, within 20 degrees.

but jupiter and venus are opposite, so would that help, or make things worse?

Uranus and the Node don't count here, but if the Moon is aspected by Venus

and Jupiter, then the kemadruma is somewhat mitigated or cancelled.

There are many ways to cancel a kemadruma yoga according to various texts

and there are also other definitions of what constitutes a kemadruma.

Generally, for myself, I look to see if the Moon gets strength by sign (own,

exalatation or friends sign), strength by aspect from natural benefics (Jupiter,

Venus, Mercury), strength by having light (waxing), strength by its navamsa

placement, strength by angular of trinal house placement, and many other

factors.

If the Moon was in a kemadruma, but in addition was exalted, waxing, occupying

the 10th house and receiving the full aspect of Jupiter, I would consider

the effects of kemadruma almost nil.

that seems to draw an accurate picture of my childhood when i could EITHER

1) be with my mother (moon) OR

2) feel joy (jupiter) and llove (venus)

sun-mars are trine moon by vedic measurements (130 degrees).

Normally, using the Vedic 'full' or 100% aspects, Sun only throws a 7th house

aspect (opposition) on any planet whereas Mars would aspect 4th, 7th and

8th houses from itself (going counterclockwise only). Sun and Mars could

aspect by trine, but this would only count as an aspect with 50% strength

(Jupiter is the only planet that gives a full or 100% trinal aspect in Vedic

astrology) and some people also count the Nodes as throwing a trinal aspect.

Personally I use all aspects from semi-sextile (30*) and up, going in both

directions, but most Vedic astrologers that I know, only use the 'full' aspects.

I normally look first at these full aspects and then consider other aspects

that are very close by degree.

Best,

Steve

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On Jan 21, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Steven Stuckey wrote:

 

hi, steve.

thanks for the helpful information.

 

> Generally, for myself, I look to see if the Moon gets strength by

> sign (own, exalatation or friends sign), strength by aspect from

> natural benefics (Jupiter, Venus, Mercury), strength by having

> light (waxing), strength by its navamsa placement, strength by

> angular of trinal house placement, and many other factors.

 

that helps too. more 'reality checking' to see if i have it right...

 

i think in both western and vedic, the moon is exalted in taurus. so

even if the aspects from jupiter and venus are in opposition, that

helps since they are benefics?

the moon IS waxing, so that is good.

and the house is, if my birthtime is correct to the minute and we are

using vedic whole sign houses, then it is in the first degree of the

3rd house, but in western astrology, using equal houses or any other

house system, it is in the 2nd.

 

i am not sure of the vedic way to interpret a navamsa chart but in

many multiples of the 9th harmonic (navamsa) saturn is configured

with my moon in various ways. so using my own guidelines (highest

and best interpretation of each planet, etc), i figure that shows how

much i love working, which is absolutely true. of course i am

selective about what i do when i am 'working' and so i can see that

the time i spend alone writing, teaching, and working with clients is

happy for me. i have to admit i enjoy writing more, tho, when there

is someone nearby i can ask for feedback and just go chat with every

once in a while. "you still there?" venus (art), mercury

(writing/teaching) and uranus (astrology) are also connected to the

moon in variations of the navamsa.

 

do vedic astrologers analyze the navamsa chart

as you would a natal chart? or do you just look for conjunctions,

patterns, etc ?????

 

 

> Normally, using the Vedic 'full' or 100% aspects, Sun only throws a

> 7th house aspect (opposition) on any planet whereas Mars would

> aspect 4th, 7th and 8th houses from itself (going counterclockwise

> only). Sun and Mars could aspect by trine, but this would only

> count as an aspect with 50% strength (Jupiter is the only planet

> that gives a full or 100% trinal aspect in Vedic astrology) and

> some people also count the Nodes as throwing a trinal aspect.

>

> Personally I use all aspects from semi-sextile (30*) and up, going

> in both directions, but most Vedic astrologers that I know, only

> use the 'full' aspects. I normally look first at these full aspects

> and then consider other aspects that are very close by degree.

 

interesting about the vedic aspects.

thanks.

yes, i too have found all aspects to be important.

aspects/harmonics/forget what they are called in vedic.

 

love, patricia

[Guest guest]

Patricia Robinett wrote

i think in both western and vedic, the moon is exalted in taurus. so even if the

aspects from jupiter and venus are in opposition, that helps since they are

benefics?

Hi Patricia,

Yes, generally. The opposition is not regarded as difficult per se in Vedic.

i am not sure of the vedic way to interpret a navamsa chart but in many

multiples of the 9th harmonic (navamsa) saturn is configured with my moon in

various ways. so using my own guidelines (highest and best interpretation of

each planet, etc), i figure that shows how much i love working, which is

absolutely true. of course i am selective about what i do when i am 'working'

and so i can see that the time i spend alone writing, teaching, and working

with clients is happy for me. i have to admit i enjoy writing more, tho, when

there is someone nearby i can ask for feedback and just go chat with every once

in a while. "you still there?" venus (art), mercury (writing/teaching) and

uranus (astrology) are also connected to the moon in variations of the navamsa.

I usually associate Saturn with some form of work ethic. Mars/Saturns are

the workaholics in my opinion. Saturn rules responsibility, fears and security

as well so these can also represent reasons why Saturnians are always busy

with work.

In addition I think the 'sign' the Moon is located in may contribute to how

one reacts in any given planetary combination (kemadruma or otherwise).

For instance the Gemini Moon needs constant exchange of ideas via talking,

writing, video, etc. The Aries Moon is usually on the go, moving around,

taking charge of situations, independent etc.

Taking away a telephone from a Gemini or the ability to move about freely

for the Aries would significantly increase sufferings.

do vedic astrologers analyze the navamsa chart

as you would a natal chart? or do you just look for conjunctions,

patterns, etc ?????

Some persons look at the navamsa as a secondary natal chart, read as you

would the natal or rasi chart. Others look for planetary dignities or debilities

that may offset the strength of a planet in the natal chart. For instance

an exalted Jupiter in the natal chart may get a blemish or be weakened by

occupying Capricorn (debility) in the namvamsa. And others use the navamsa

to check for close aspects between planets in the natus. I personally use

all three....

In addition one might try looking at the 9th harmonic of the 9th harmonic

(in other words the navamsa chart of the navamsa). This is the same as 9

times 9 or the 81st harmonic. This is not a 'Vedic' idea however. This chart

can easily be calculated using Solar Fire software.

interesting about the vedic aspects.

thanks.

yes, i too have found all aspects to be important.

aspects/harmonics/forget what they are called in vedic.

Best wishes,

Steve

[Guest guest]

thanks, again, steve.

so when vedic astrologers read the navamsa, they read it with ascendant,

houses, signs, aspects -- as if it is a natal chart? hm..

interesting.

i've never done that before. i'll check it out and see how it works

for my

own chart and the charts of people i know fairly well.

 

i'm sending the vedic readings to friends and asking them for feedback.

i am very curious about the different zodiacs and i want to see how

vedic compares to western in the eyes of the people concerned.

there's something very special in vedic but i always like to test

everything.

? just the way i am.

 

i too use solar fire to look at all harmonics.

i look at especially 5,7,9, then 10, and all multiples of 3s and 9s.

but i have never used harmonic charts as standalone charts.

do you find them helpful? if so, how? examples?

don't feel obligated to respond if these questions do not interest you.

 

thank you.

love, patricia

 

On Jan 23, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Steven Stuckey wrote:

 

> Some persons look at the navamsa as a secondary natal chart, read

> as you would the natal or rasi chart. Others look for planetary

> dignities or debilities that may offset the strength of a planet in

> the natal chart. For instance an exalted Jupiter in the natal chart

> may get a blemish or be weakened by occupying Capricorn (debility)

> in the namvamsa. And others use the navamsa to check for close

> aspects between planets in the natus. I personally use all three....

> In addition one might try looking at the 9th harmonic of the 9th

> harmonic (in other words the navamsa chart of the navamsa). This is

> the same as 9 times 9 or the 81st harmonic. This is not a 'Vedic'

> idea however. This chart can easily be calculated using Solar Fire

> software.

 

Patricia Robinett

patricia

 

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