Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 get you suffering immensely, unable to see what we all DO see in you, intensified creativity and depth of thoughts!!! If you could only become aware of that! Yes, I believe that your suffering /should I say 'every'?/ brings smthg. invaluable to you- you simply cannot live 'simple', 'Jo average' life, bcs....................you are not average-LOL Being brave as you are, you live with your pain fully, you drink that pain without conditions, and I feel that's so valuable! Once you start 'breathing again, many who are capable of understanding your world, will benefit /as they do now as well/ from the assets you've gotten. Most people fear pain, would rather live all sorts of miseries to avoid that feeling, and keep their minds closed fearing that depth equals pain - and IT DOES most often- cannot blame them for that, so human feeling, the main 'ingredient' in lovely Joe-average personality set-up.. Wounded healer can heal everybody but himself- that's his destiny- to live with and despite pain. Is this Pluto- affected/infected writing? Love, Anna Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Planetary (m)alignmentIn honor of NASA's Pluto-bound New Horizons probe that launched last month,we're celebrating two astronomy geek anniversaries this week. On Feb. 7,1979, the planet Pluto's highly eccentric, inclined orbit brought it closerto our sun than the next "innermost" planet, Neptune.Twenty years later, on Feb. 11, 1999, Pluto slipped back outside Neptune'sorbit, becoming the ninth planet in our solar system once again. Thatpresumes, of course, that you're still willing to consider Pluto a planet.In some respects, Pluto received its planet status partially because aninstitution commissioned specifically to search for a ninthplanet--Arizona's Lowell Observatory, founded by astronomer PercivalLowell--was responsible for its discovery in 1930. In fact, Lowell predictedthe eventual detection of a ninth planet as early as 1908.(But don't proclaim Lowell a visionary just yet. He also believed ferventlyin the now laughably dismissed Martian canals.)When Lowell Observatory astronomer Clyde Tombaugh pulled togetherindisputable photographic evidence of Pluto's existence in 1930, it matchedLowell's predictions about a so-called "Planet X" closely enough to justifydeclaring Pluto a planet. However, there was little publicized considerationof whether it qualified for such a designation or what the standard ofplanethood might be.However, Pluto may not be able to live up to any such standard. We'vealready mentioned its unusual orbit, but Pluto is also a great deal smallerthan most observers originally estimated.Lowell believed in the existence of a ninth planet due to some perceivedirregularities in the orbits of Neptune and Uranus. Lowell and hiscontemporaries believed that only a planetary mass could explain the orbitalstrangeness, and when Pluto appeared in photographs in 1930, many assumed itwould fit the bill.Instead, it turns out that Neptune has much less mass than early20th-century estimates contended. And as observations of the seventh andeighth planets became more precise, the "necessary" and calculated size ofPluto--originally thought to be larger than Mercury--diminished.The 1978 discovery that Pluto had a moon (Charon) meant that the total massof the Pluto system was actually quite small and that Pluto itself--lessCharon's mass--was smaller still. Indeed, not only is Pluto smaller than allof the other local planets, but it has less mass that eight othernon-planets in the solar system.BESIDES THE SUN AND PLANETS, WHAT ARE THE EIGHT KNOWN OBJECTS IN THE SOLARSYSTEM LARGER THAN PLUTO?Seven planetary moons are larger than Pluto, including Earth's own moon,which is roughly 50 percent larger than the so-called planet. Beyond that,Jupiter's moons Ganymede, Callisto, Io, and Europa, the Saturnian moonTitan, and Neptune's largest moon Triton are all more massive than Pluto.Contestant number eight in our little rundown is a trans-Neptunian objectdiscovered barely more than a year ago: 2003 UB313.A trans-Neptunian object is, not surprisingly, any object that regularlyorbits our sun at a distance greater than the orbit of the planet Neptune.The Oort Cloud and the Kuiper Belt are thus collections of trans-Neptunianobjects.On Jan. 5, 2005, astronomers at California's Mount Palomar Observatorydiscovered object 2003 UB313, nicknaming it Xena . Current estimates placeits diameter between 2,500 to 3,500 kilometers, larger than Pluto's own2,400-kilometer diameter.Moreover, Xena has a moon (nicknamed Gabrielle), a fact that has helpedfoster a rather passionate astronomical debate: Is 2003 UB313 a planet?Complicating matters is the fact that the International Astronomical Union,which oversees the formal classification and naming of all astronomicalbodies and phenomena, has no explicit definition of a planet. In fact, ifPluto had somehow managed to avoid detection until today, it's very likelythat, given its small size and strange orbit, science would have classifiedit as a trans-Neptunian object rather than a planet.Moreover, if Pluto is a planet, what would stop Xena from earning the samedesignation? Now, before we start waxing dorktacular about how imminentlycool it would be to have finally found the long-sought 10th planet, considerthis: Science first caught Xena on film in 2003, but it still took more thana year of analysis to realize that the object was even there, much realizethat it was so much larger than any heretofore-observed trans-Neptunianobject.Therefore, it's imminently plausible that there are untold numbers ofsimilar sized objects out there just waiting for detection-all of whichwould qualify as additional planets if the loose, Pluto-inclusive standardof planet designation holds. In the meantime, the Pluto vs. Xena debateshows little sign of coming to a resolution in the near term, leaving uswith some unanswered questions-and a great deal of Geek Trivia.To , send an email to: For software visit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 On Feb 11, 2006, at 2:57 PM, A.R. wrote: > Pluto fan here- Pluto-sensitive person, I'd say > I wish if we could hear more Pluto stories, info on experiences, etc.. pluto is for transformation. it can look like jealousy, possessiveness, selfishness, anger, rage, murder, etc... but it's really meant for deep, deep transformation. i find many people come to see me when they are under pluto transits and they often experience past lives and are greatly helped by that. years ago, pluto conjoined my jupiter and i began studying *a course in miracles* which significantly shifted my philosophy of life. i still study it. i find it immeasurably helpful. that period of time is when my clients began having past life memories. then pluto hit venus and it was a difficult time for me romantically but what came of it was unconditional love for everyone who came into my office. it healed me of a 'romance addiction.' it should conjoin my midheaven soon and i expect an interesting time in my career. i would welcome a great public reception of my new book. love, patricia *** "Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de Montaigne *** Patricia Robinett www.aesculapiuspress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Das made some colorful software so I aren't deserving >"A.R." <bonamente108 >valist >valist >Re: For fans of Pluto >Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:57:50 -0500 (EST) > >Thanks, Nicholas, > > great post! > Pluto fan here- Pluto-sensitive person, I'd say- > I wish if we could hear more Pluto stories, info on experiences, etc.. > > Puto over my NT Moon was very deeply emotional, otherworldly experience- >nobody died /as does happen that mother's time come/ but I've been changed. >Many, myself included, say that Pluto tr. over luminaries in particular, is >unforgettable. > > I hesitated to say that our friend Roik has Pl. tr. 8th House and is >undergoing transformation- > > Dear Roik, > Pluto transits are never easy, bring deep seated pains, magic, >fascination, everything it touches becomes /unbearably/ intense and >compulsive, and is often hard to understand. Combine this with Saturn MD, >/and you are absolutely right: BRAIN chemistry, genes../ and we get you >suffering immensely, unable to see what we all DO see in you, intensified >creativity and depth of thoughts!!! If you could only become aware of that! >Yes, I believe that your suffering /should I say 'every'?/ brings smthg. >invaluable to you- you simply cannot live 'simple', 'Jo average' life, >bcs....................you are not average-LOL > > Being brave as you are, you live with your pain fully, you drink that >pain without conditions, and I feel that's so valuable! Once you start >'breathing again, many who are capable of understanding your world, will >benefit /as they do now as well/ from the assets you've gotten. Most people >fear pain, would rather live all sorts of miseries to avoid that feeling, >and keep their minds closed fearing that depth equals pain - and IT DOES >most often- cannot blame them for that, so human feeling, the main >'ingredient' in lovely Joe-average personality set-up.. > > Wounded healer can heal everybody but himself- that's his destiny- to >live with and despite pain. > > Is this Pluto- affected/infected writing? > > Love, > Anna > >Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: > Planetary (m)alignment > >In honor of NASA's Pluto-bound New Horizons probe that launched last month, >we're celebrating two astronomy geek anniversaries this week. On Feb. 7, >1979, the planet Pluto's highly eccentric, inclined orbit brought it closer >to our sun than the next "innermost" planet, Neptune. > >Twenty years later, on Feb. 11, 1999, Pluto slipped back outside Neptune's >orbit, becoming the ninth planet in our solar system once again. That >presumes, of course, that you're still willing to consider Pluto a planet. > >In some respects, Pluto received its planet status partially because an >institution commissioned specifically to search for a ninth >planet--Arizona's Lowell Observatory, founded by astronomer Percival >Lowell--was responsible for its discovery in 1930. In fact, Lowell >predicted >the eventual detection of a ninth planet as early as 1908. > >(But don't proclaim Lowell a visionary just yet. He also believed fervently >in the now laughably dismissed Martian canals.) > >When Lowell Observatory astronomer Clyde Tombaugh pulled together >indisputable photographic evidence of Pluto's existence in 1930, it matched >Lowell's predictions about a so-called "Planet X" closely enough to justify >declaring Pluto a planet. However, there was little publicized >consideration >of whether it qualified for such a designation or what the standard of >planethood might be. > >However, Pluto may not be able to live up to any such standard. We've >already mentioned its unusual orbit, but Pluto is also a great deal smaller >than most observers originally estimated. > >Lowell believed in the existence of a ninth planet due to some perceived >irregularities in the orbits of Neptune and Uranus. Lowell and his >contemporaries believed that only a planetary mass could explain the >orbital >strangeness, and when Pluto appeared in photographs in 1930, many assumed >it >would fit the bill. > >Instead, it turns out that Neptune has much less mass than early >20th-century estimates contended. And as observations of the seventh and >eighth planets became more precise, the "necessary" and calculated size of >Pluto--originally thought to be larger than Mercury--diminished. > >The 1978 discovery that Pluto had a moon (Charon) meant that the total mass >of the Pluto system was actually quite small and that Pluto itself--less >Charon's mass--was smaller still. Indeed, not only is Pluto smaller than >all >of the other local planets, but it has less mass that eight other >non-planets in the solar system. > >BESIDES THE SUN AND PLANETS, WHAT ARE THE EIGHT KNOWN OBJECTS IN THE SOLAR >SYSTEM LARGER THAN PLUTO? > >Seven planetary moons are larger than Pluto, including Earth's own moon, >which is roughly 50 percent larger than the so-called planet. Beyond that, >Jupiter's moons Ganymede, Callisto, Io, and Europa, the Saturnian moon >Titan, and Neptune's largest moon Triton are all more massive than Pluto. > >Contestant number eight in our little rundown is a trans-Neptunian object >discovered barely more than a year ago: 2003 UB313. > >A trans-Neptunian object is, not surprisingly, any object that regularly >orbits our sun at a distance greater than the orbit of the planet Neptune. >The Oort Cloud and the Kuiper Belt are thus collections of trans-Neptunian >objects. > >On Jan. 5, 2005, astronomers at California's Mount Palomar Observatory >discovered object 2003 UB313, nicknaming it Xena . Current estimates place >its diameter between 2,500 to 3,500 kilometers, larger than Pluto's own >2,400-kilometer diameter. > >Moreover, Xena has a moon (nicknamed Gabrielle), a fact that has helped >foster a rather passionate astronomical debate: Is 2003 UB313 a planet? > >Complicating matters is the fact that the International Astronomical Union, >which oversees the formal classification and naming of all astronomical >bodies and phenomena, has no explicit definition of a planet. In fact, if >Pluto had somehow managed to avoid detection until today, it's very likely >that, given its small size and strange orbit, science would have classified >it as a trans-Neptunian object rather than a planet. > >Moreover, if Pluto is a planet, what would stop Xena from earning the same >designation? Now, before we start waxing dorktacular about how imminently >cool it would be to have finally found the long-sought 10th planet, >consider >this: Science first caught Xena on film in 2003, but it still took more >than >a year of analysis to realize that the object was even there, much realize >that it was so much larger than any heretofore-observed trans-Neptunian >object. > >Therefore, it's imminently plausible that there are untold numbers of >similar sized objects out there just waiting for detection-all of which >would qualify as additional planets if the loose, Pluto-inclusive standard >of planet designation holds. In the meantime, the Pluto vs. Xena debate >shows little sign of coming to a resolution in the near term, leaving us >with some unanswered questions-and a great deal of Geek Trivia. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 tr., that's Molotov cocktail! /If there is connection of Pluto and Venus in NC, it's already "promised" to happen, thus stronger. Psychologically natal P/V always indicate some control/obsession issues, and that's amazing /to me/ how it works. I am fascinated indeed by Pluto. I am currently under Pluto tr. NT Venus, and hope to 'get' noble result you've experienced /Pluto progression to NT Venus I'd experienced, was about love obsession, strange relationship, etc..and it 'brought' invaluable results in self-understanding, understanding of psychotherapy undercurrents and a shift, definitive and irrevocable, in my professional choice- I appreciate so much the transformation which changed me and my life so much, I would be happy to experience this again, despite all the pains I went through during the period this prog. was in force- combined with Pluto tr. over my NT Mars!/ Thnks again, Love, Anna PS: /Yes, we have to 'believe' in what we don't know- that's different type of knowledge, though. I like this one/ Patricia Robinett <patricia (AT) efn (DOT) org> wrote: On Feb 11, 2006, at 2:57 PM, A.R. wrote:> Pluto fan here- Pluto-sensitive person, I'd say> I wish if we could hear more Pluto stories, info on experiences, etc..pluto is for transformation.it can look like jealousy, possessiveness, selfishness, anger, rage,murder, etc... but it's really meant for deep, deep transformation.i find many people come to see me when they are under pluto transitsand they often experience past lives and are greatly helped by that.years ago, pluto conjoined my jupiter and i began studying*a course in miracles* which significantly shifted my philosophy of life.i still study it. i find it immeasurably helpful.that period of time is when my clients began having past life memories.then pluto hit venus and it was a difficult time for me romanticallybut what came of it was unconditional love for everyone who cameinto my office. it healed me of a 'romance addiction.'it should conjoin my midheaven soon and i expect an interestingtime in my career. i would welcome a great public reception ofmy new book. :)love, patricia***"Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de Montaigne***Patricia Robinettwww.aesculapiuspress.com: For software visit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 hi, anna. > Thank you for sharing- yes, deep transformation- not meant to be > "easy". you're welcome. it's true that DEEP transformation is not easy. but pluto insists on it. and we are always grateful -- after the fact. > In my experience, Pluto tr Venus brings /so very often/ obsessive > falling in love, often with somebody represented by Pluto- whether > it be smb. socially 'inappropriate' /Plutonian underworld/ > personally unsuitable, or even literally a person with strong Pluto. and those people can be the tools of the transformation process. i think it is good to know astrology so we can follow the evolutionary process and trust that what is happening is not a bad thing, but a helpful thing, and try to cooperate with it instead of fighting it. resistance, fighting, is what causes the pain. > My impression is that 'love arrow' strikes the most intensely with > Pl. transit- those with strong-important placement of Venus in > NCh. react to squares, oppositions, aspects as well. > I find progressions more powerful and longer lasting than P. tr.- > often BOTH last long, and when progression coincide with tr., > that's Molotov cocktail! > /If there is connection of Pluto and Venus in NC, it's already > "promised" to happen, thus stronger. Psychologically natal P/V > always indicate some control/obsession issues, and that's amazing / > to me/ how it works. I am fascinated indeed by Pluto. i think it is helpful to think of pluto as selfishness, self- centeredness. and that it is trying to make us more compassionate, open, kind, loving. love affairs can be pretty selfish things. > I am currently under Pluto tr. NT Venus, > and hope to 'get' noble result you've experienced make that your goal. see it as an opportunity to let go of the way you look at 'love' and be willing to see 'love' differently. 'pluto love' is often more appropriately called, 'lust.' > /Pluto progression to NT Venus I'd experienced, was about love > obsession, strange relationship, etc..and it 'brought' invaluable > results in self-understanding, understanding of psychotherapy > undercurrents and a shift, definitive and irrevocable, in my > professional choice- I appreciate so much the transformation which > changed me and my life so much, I would be happy to experience this > again, despite all the pains I went through during the period this > prog. was in force- combined with Pluto tr. over my NT Mars!/ me too. i am very grateful for the pluto transits i have consciously noticed. hang on during this time to your highest spiritual values. love is not 'out there'... love is what you are. best wishes, darlin. love, patricia *** "Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de Montaigne *** Patricia Robinett www.aesculapiuspress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Thank you for sharing- yes, deep transformation- not meant to be > "easy".you're welcome. it's true that DEEP transformation is not easy.but pluto insists on it. and we are always grateful -- after the fact.> In my experience, Pluto tr Venus brings /so very often/ obsessive > falling in love, often with somebody represented by Pluto- whether > it be smb. socially 'inappropriate' /Plutonian underworld/ > personally unsuitable, or even literally a person with strong Pluto.and those people can be the tools of the transformation process.i think it is good to know astrology so we can follow the evolutionaryprocess and trust that what is happening is not a bad thing, but ahelpful thing, and try to cooperate with it instead of fighting it.resistance, fighting, is what causes the pain.> My impression is that 'love arrow' strikes the most intensely with > Pl. transit- those with strong-important placement of Venus in > NCh. react to squares, oppositions, aspects as well.> I find progressions more powerful and longer lasting than P. tr.- > often BOTH last long, and when progression coincide with tr., > that's Molotov cocktail!> /If there is connection of Pluto and Venus in NC, it's already > "promised" to happen, thus stronger. Psychologically natal P/V > always indicate some control/obsession issues, and that's amazing / > to me/ how it works. I am fascinated indeed by Pluto.i think it is helpful to think of pluto as selfishness, self- centeredness.and that it is trying to make us more compassionate, open, kind, loving.love affairs can be pretty selfish things.> I am currently under Pluto tr. NT Venus,> and hope to 'get' noble result you've experiencedmake that your goal. see it as an opportunity to let go of the way youlook at 'love' and be willing to see 'love' differently. 'pluto love' is oftenmore appropriately called, 'lust.'> /Pluto progression to NT Venus I'd experienced, was about love > obsession, strange relationship, etc..and it 'brought' invaluable > results in self-understanding, understanding of psychotherapy > undercurrents and a shift, definitive and irrevocable, in my > professional choice- I appreciate so much the transformation which > changed me and my life so much, I would be happy to experience this > again, despite all the pains I went through during the period this > prog. was in force- combined with Pluto tr. over my NT Mars!/me too. i am very grateful for the pluto transits i have consciously noticed.hang on during this time to your highest spiritual values.love is not 'out there'... love is what you are.:)best wishes, darlin.love, patricia***"Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de Montaigne***Patricia Robinettwww.aesculapiuspress.comTo , send an email to: For software visit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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