Guest guest Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 Dear Juliana, Ketu is a moksha karak planet. How can a such a planet be a malefic. Ketu has no worries, no anxieties, just a simple straightforward sense of purpose and single mindedness. Ketu knows no diplomacy and calls a spade a spade. It cannot carry on relationships which are a burden. Ketu kills but with short and precise blows. Rahu and ketu are totally different to each other in nature. Whatever is appicable to rahu stands reversed with ketu. Ketu is cruel because Moksha can be achieved only after release from mortal body which, in other words, is death. Indian history remains controversial because writing down history was never a part of Indian culture. Whatever is found is in form of religious texts, epics like mahabharat, folk tales, folk songs and legends. Same is with astrology too. The west has a handful of astrological texts and some books written by some english speaking astrologers like BV Raman, Sanjay Rath and KN Rao. There is more knowledge with scholars who do not know English. There have many Shankaracharyas, many Parshurams, many Vyas munis (the one who wrote mahabharat was Ved Vyas) and many Parashar Munis. Some names have been carried on like titles in certain schools of thoughts. So, there is bound to be controversies. The west does not take into consideration the calenders used in India. Besides Vikram Samvat and Saka samvat many other calenders have been in use. For example, according to Vainkateshwara Shatabdi Panchanga, the present year began on 9th april 2005. It describes the new year as: The years passed till this year are, 1955885106 years since world was created, where 1728000 years of Krityuga, 1296000 of Tretayuga (Ram was born in Tretayuga), 864000 of Dwaparyuga (Krishna's Yuga), and 432000 of Kaliyuga(Present Yuga) out of which 5106 have been spent and 426894 are yet to come. Vikram samvat 2062 and shak samvat 1927. Dwaparyuga ended with Mahabharat war. Unbelievable but this is what Indian calender is like. Controversies abound. West is slowly awakening to Oriental sciences. It is possible that the above calender will also proven right in future. Many a times I have been surprised by this ancient nation's secrets. Ashutosh - Juliana Swanson <omhamsa <valist> Saturday, August 13, 2005 21:10 Ashutosh > Hi Ashutosh, > > Re: "Ketu is a cruel planet(kroor grah) but not a malefic (paap > grah)," will you enlighten us further on this interesting point? > > Thanks also for sharing you fascinating points about the history of > Indian astrology. Why is it that this subject remains so maddeningly > controversial in all circles? > > Best regards, > Juliana > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 Dear Ashutosh,I read your text on the Vainkateshwara Shatabdi Panchanga with great interest. It states that the length of the various yugas are as follows:1. Krityuga : 17280002. Tretayuga: 12960003. Dwaparyuga: 8640004. Kaliyuga: 432000If one divides the above four numbers by 360 one would get:a. Krityuga : 4800b. Tretayuga: 3600c. Dwaparyuga: 2400d. Kaliyuga: 1200Sri Yuketswar explains in The Holy Science that the actual length of the various yugas are NOT 1, 2, 3 and 4 above but a, b, c and d above. At para 18 of the extract of The Holy Science (that I had attached in my earlier email) he explains how this error had crept in.It is generally accepted that Ram had lived in the last Tretayuga (as you rightly pointed out). Going by the figures given at 1, 2, 3 and 4 above, that would place him AT LEAST 869,106 back from now. (5106 + 864000 = 869,106). Do you really think Ram would have lived THAT long ago? If one takes the figures at a, b, c and d the figure will reduce from 869,106 to 5106 (at least, as of this year 2005). Does the figure 869,106 appear reasonable and realistic? Or does 5106 appear reasonable and realistic? Sri Yuteswar had explained that it would be the latter. Food for thought. Vaidun Vidyadhar Tamworth, NSW Australia Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au valist [valist] On Behalf Of Astrologer AshutoshSunday, 14 August 2005 18:15valistSubject: Re: AshutoshDear Juliana, Ketu is a moksha karak planet. How can a such a planet be a malefic. Ketu has no worries, no anxieties, just a simple straightforward sense of purpose and single mindedness. Ketu knows no diplomacy and calls a spade a spade. It cannot carry on relationships which are a burden. Ketu kills but with short and precise blows. Rahu and ketu are totally different to each other in nature.Whatever is appicable to rahu stands reversed with ketu. Ketu is cruel because Moksha can be achieved only after release from mortal body which, in other words, is death. Indian history remains controversial because writing down history was never a part of Indian culture. Whatever is found is in form of religious texts, epics like mahabharat, folk tales, folk songs and legends. Same is with astrology too. The west has a handful of astrological texts and some books written by some english speaking astrologers like BV Raman, Sanjay Rath and KN Rao. There is more knowledge with scholars who do not know English. There have many Shankaracharyas, many Parshurams, many Vyas munis (the one who wrote mahabharat was Ved Vyas) and many Parashar Munis. Some names have been carried on like titles in certain schools of thoughts. So, there is bound to be controversies. The west does not take into consideration the calenders used in India. Besides Vikram Samvat and Saka samvat many other calenders have been in use. For example, according to Vainkateshwara Shatabdi Panchanga, the present year began on 9th april 2005. It describes the new year as: The years passed till this year are, 1955885106 years since world was created, where 1728000 years of Krityuga, 1296000 of Tretayuga (Ram was born in Tretayuga), 864000 of Dwaparyuga (Krishna's Yuga), and 432000 of Kaliyuga (Present Yuga) out of which 5106 have been spent and 426894 are yet to come. Vikram samvat 2062 and shak samvat 1927. Dwaparyuga ended with Mahabharat war. Unbelievable but this is what Indian calender is like. Controversies abound. West is slowly awakening to Oriental sciences. It is possible that the above calender will also proven right in future. Many a times I have been surprised by this ancient nation's secrets.Ashutosh-Juliana Swanson <omhamsa ><valist>Saturday, August 13, 2005 21:10Ashutosh> Hi Ashutosh,>> Re: "Ketu is a cruel planet(kroor grah) but not a malefic (paap> grah)," will you enlighten us further on this interesting point?>> Thanks also for sharing you fascinating points about the history of> Indian astrology. Why is it that this subject remains so maddeningly> controversial in all circles?>> Best regards,> Juliana>>>>> To , send an email to: For> software visit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Vaidun, Going by the method of dividing the mentioned years with 360, we get 1200 years of kaliyuga out of which 14 have been spent. That means kaliyuga began just 14 years ago. Kaliyuga began with death of Krishna, when Parikshit, son of Abhimanyu and grandson od Arjun was on throne. Even if kaliyuga is only 1200 years long, we being still in kaliyuga, krshna must have existed much after buddha, ashoka and jesus. All of them then fall in dwaparyuga. The history of mankind is much older than what we imagine it to be. Even the pyramids have been in existence for more than 6000 years. Ashutosh - Vaidun Vidyadhar valist Sunday, August 14, 2005 15:07 RE: Ashutosh Dear Ashutosh,I read your text on the Vainkateshwara Shatabdi Panchanga with great interest. It states that the length of the various yugas are as follows:1. Krityuga : 17280002. Tretayuga: 12960003. Dwaparyuga: 8640004. Kaliyuga: 432000If one divides the above four numbers by 360 one would get:a. Krityuga : 4800b. Tretayuga: 3600c. Dwaparyuga: 2400d. Kaliyuga: 1200Sri Yuketswar explains in The Holy Science that the actual length of the various yugas are NOT 1, 2, 3 and 4 above but a, b, c and d above. At para 18 of the extract of The Holy Science (that I had attached in my earlier email) he explains how this error had crept in.It is generally accepted that Ram had lived in the last Tretayuga (as you rightly pointed out). Going by the figures given at 1, 2, 3 and 4 above, that would place him AT LEAST 869,106 back from now. (5106 + 864000 = 869,106). Do you really think Ram would have lived THAT long ago? If one takes the figures at a, b, c and d the figure will reduce from 869,106 to 5106 (at least, as of this year 2005). Does the figure 869,106 appear reasonable and realistic? Or does 5106 appear reasonable and realistic? Sri Yuteswar had explained that it would be the latter. Food for thought. Vaidun Vidyadhar Tamworth, NSW Australia Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au valist [valist] On Behalf Of Astrologer AshutoshSunday, 14 August 2005 18:15valistSubject: Re: AshutoshDear Juliana, Ketu is a moksha karak planet. How can a such a planet be a malefic. Ketu has no worries, no anxieties, just a simple straightforward sense of purpose and single mindedness. Ketu knows no diplomacy and calls a spade a spade. It cannot carry on relationships which are a burden. Ketu kills but with short and precise blows. Rahu and ketu are totally different to each other in nature.Whatever is appicable to rahu stands reversed with ketu. Ketu is cruel because Moksha can be achieved only after release from mortal body which, in other words, is death. Indian history remains controversial because writing down history was never a part of Indian culture. Whatever is found is in form of religious texts, epics like mahabharat, folk tales, folk songs and legends. Same is with astrology too. The west has a handful of astrological texts and some books written by some english speaking astrologers like BV Raman, Sanjay Rath and KN Rao. There is more knowledge with scholars who do not know English. There have many Shankaracharyas, many Parshurams, many Vyas munis (the one who wrote mahabharat was Ved Vyas) and many Parashar Munis. Some names have been carried on like titles in certain schools of thoughts. So, there is bound to be controversies. The west does not take into consideration the calenders used in India. Besides Vikram Samvat and Saka samvat many other calenders have been in use. For example, according to Vainkateshwara Shatabdi Panchanga, the present year began on 9th april 2005. It describes the new year as: The years passed till this year are, 1955885106 years since world was created, where 1728000 years of Krityuga, 1296000 of Tretayuga (Ram was born in Tretayuga), 864000 of Dwaparyuga (Krishna's Yuga), and 432000 of Kaliyuga (Present Yuga) out of which 5106 have been spent and 426894 are yet to come. Vikram samvat 2062 and shak samvat 1927. Dwaparyuga ended with Mahabharat war. Unbelievable but this is what Indian calender is like. Controversies abound. West is slowly awakening to Oriental sciences. It is possible that the above calender will also proven right in future. Many a times I have been surprised by this ancient nation's secrets.Ashutosh-Juliana Swanson <omhamsa ><valist>Saturday, August 13, 2005 21:10Ashutosh> Hi Ashutosh,>> Re: "Ketu is a cruel planet(kroor grah) but not a malefic (paap> grah)," will you enlighten us further on this interesting point?>> Thanks also for sharing you fascinating points about the history of> Indian astrology. Why is it that this subject remains so maddeningly> controversial in all circles?>> Best regards,> Juliana>>>>> To , send an email to: For> software visit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Ashutosh, It appears you haven't read what Sri Yukteswar had written in his booklet extract of which I had attached in my earlier email on the subject. Please read it, then respond. Kaliyuga did begin with the passing away of Lord Krishna. What Sri Yukteswar had written supports such a dating. As per what Sri Yukteswar had written, we are now NOT in Kaliyuga but in Dwapara Yuga. I realise such a claim is against what 99.9% of today's scholars believe. But who is correct? If Sri Yukteswar is correct then the 99.9% are wrong and vice versa. I don't know. I am not an authority on this subject. I am only wondering at the vast difference. But I would like to submit that what Sri Yukteswar had written appears logical and reasonable. The arguments and explanation given by him appears tenable and sensible. Also, Sri Yukteswar was not an ordinary man. He was a God-realised Master, the guru of the reknowned Paramahansa Yogananda. Gnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri was tasked to write what he did by a person no less than the venerable Mahavatar Babaji himself. Though who know something about India's spiritual giants will know the stature and standing of Babaji. Yes, the pyramids are more than 6000 years old, I agree with you. The yuga cycle that Sri Yukteswar had written about would support such a dating. In another astrology list, a member had submitted a paper submitted by one Dr Mohan Gupta (attached herewith) where he has placed the Mahabharat war in the year 1915 BC. As per what Sri Yukteswar had written, the Mahabharat war should have occured sometime between 700 to 800 BC. If Dr Mohan Gupta is correct, Sri Yukteswar must have been wrong, and vice versa. Lord Krishna lived at the time of the Mahabharat war. If Lord Krishna lived some 2800 years ago, does it seem reasonable and realistic that Lord Ram would have lived more than 800,000 years earlier to that? Agreed, Lord Ram lived BEFORE Lord Krishna but could the time difference have been more than 800,000 years? But if you go by what Sri Yukteswar had written, then the last Treta Yuga (when Lord Ram lived) would have occured a little over 5000 years ago which seems more reasonable and realistic. I humbly reiterate, I am not an authority on this subject. I am not a scholar. This is what I have read on this subject. With regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar Tamworth, NSW Australia Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au valist [valist] On Behalf Of Astrologer AshutoshMonday, 15 August 2005 17:23To: valistSubject: Re: Ashutosh Dear Vaidun, Going by the method of dividing the mentioned years with 360, we get 1200 years of kaliyuga out of which 14 have been spent. That means kaliyuga began just 14 years ago. Kaliyuga began with death of Krishna, when Parikshit, son of Abhimanyu and grandson od Arjun was on throne. Even if kaliyuga is only 1200 years long, we being still in kaliyuga, krshna must have existed much after buddha, ashoka and jesus. All of them then fall in dwaparyuga. The history of mankind is much older than what we imagine it to be. Even the pyramids have been in existence for more than 6000 years. Ashutosh - Vaidun Vidyadhar valist Sunday, August 14, 2005 15:07 RE: Ashutosh Dear Ashutosh,I read your text on the Vainkateshwara Shatabdi Panchanga with great interest. It states that the length of the various yugas are as follows:1. Krityuga : 17280002. Tretayuga: 12960003. Dwaparyuga: 8640004. Kaliyuga: 432000If one divides the above four numbers by 360 one would get:a. Krityuga : 4800b. Tretayuga: 3600c. Dwaparyuga: 2400d. Kaliyuga: 1200Sri Yuketswar explains in The Holy Science that the actual length of the various yugas are NOT 1, 2, 3 and 4 above but a, b, c and d above. At para 18 of the extract of The Holy Science (that I had attached in my earlier email) he explains how this error had crept in.It is generally accepted that Ram had lived in the last Tretayuga (as you rightly pointed out). Going by the figures given at 1, 2, 3 and 4 above, that would place him AT LEAST 869,106 back from now. (5106 + 864000 = 869,106). Do you really think Ram would have lived THAT long ago? If one takes the figures at a, b, c and d the figure will reduce from 869,106 to 5106 (at least, as of this year 2005). Does the figure 869,106 appear reasonable and realistic? Or does 5106 appear reasonable and realistic? Sri Yuteswar had explained that it would be the latter. Food for thought. Vaidun Vidyadhar Tamworth, NSW Australia Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au Attachment: (application/msword) Mahabharat War.doc [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Vaidun, In 325 BC Alexander invaded India. Buddha was born around 557 BC. Did mahabharat war happen just 150 to 200 years before Buddha? What about Parikshit and his successors? Mahavir, the 24th and last Tirthankar of Jains was born around 599 BC. The 23rd Tirthankar was Parshvanath who lived around 850 BC. Shri Yukteshwar's theories are not logically correct. I do not emphasize that the yuga periods are correct, but there is no base to believe otherwise also. We should keep an open mind because every year our notions about history of mankind are being shattered by findings around the world. Ashutosh - Vaidun Vidyadhar valist Monday, August 15, 2005 14:02 RE: Ashutosh Dear Ashutosh, It appears you haven't read what Sri Yukteswar had written in his booklet extract of which I had attached in my earlier email on the subject. Please read it, then respond. Kaliyuga did begin with the passing away of Lord Krishna. What Sri Yukteswar had written supports such a dating. As per what Sri Yukteswar had written, we are now NOT in Kaliyuga but in Dwapara Yuga. I realise such a claim is against what 99.9% of today's scholars believe. But who is correct? If Sri Yukteswar is correct then the 99.9% are wrong and vice versa. I don't know. I am not an authority on this subject. I am only wondering at the vast difference. But I would like to submit that what Sri Yukteswar had written appears logical and reasonable. The arguments and explanation given by him appears tenable and sensible. Also, Sri Yukteswar was not an ordinary man. He was a God-realised Master, the guru of the reknowned Paramahansa Yogananda. Gnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri was tasked to write what he did by a person no less than the venerable Mahavatar Babaji himself. Though who know something about India's spiritual giants will know the stature and standing of Babaji. Yes, the pyramids are more than 6000 years old, I agree with you. The yuga cycle that Sri Yukteswar had written about would support such a dating. In another astrology list, a member had submitted a paper submitted by one Dr Mohan Gupta (attached herewith) where he has placed the Mahabharat war in the year 1915 BC. As per what Sri Yukteswar had written, the Mahabharat war should have occured sometime between 700 to 800 BC. If Dr Mohan Gupta is correct, Sri Yukteswar must have been wrong, and vice versa. Lord Krishna lived at the time of the Mahabharat war. If Lord Krishna lived some 2800 years ago, does it seem reasonable and realistic that Lord Ram would have lived more than 800,000 years earlier to that? Agreed, Lord Ram lived BEFORE Lord Krishna but could the time difference have been more than 800,000 years? But if you go by what Sri Yukteswar had written, then the last Treta Yuga (when Lord Ram lived) would have occured a little over 5000 years ago which seems more reasonable and realistic. I humbly reiterate, I am not an authority on this subject. I am not a scholar. This is what I have read on this subject. With regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar Tamworth, NSW Australia Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au valist [valist] On Behalf Of Astrologer AshutoshMonday, 15 August 2005 17:23To: valistSubject: Re: Ashutosh Dear Vaidun, Going by the method of dividing the mentioned years with 360, we get 1200 years of kaliyuga out of which 14 have been spent. That means kaliyuga began just 14 years ago. Kaliyuga began with death of Krishna, when Parikshit, son of Abhimanyu and grandson od Arjun was on throne. Even if kaliyuga is only 1200 years long, we being still in kaliyuga, krshna must have existed much after buddha, ashoka and jesus. All of them then fall in dwaparyuga. The history of mankind is much older than what we imagine it to be. Even the pyramids have been in existence for more than 6000 years. Ashutosh - Vaidun Vidyadhar valist Sunday, August 14, 2005 15:07 RE: Ashutosh Dear Ashutosh,I read your text on the Vainkateshwara Shatabdi Panchanga with great interest. It states that the length of the various yugas are as follows:1. Krityuga : 17280002. Tretayuga: 12960003. Dwaparyuga: 8640004. Kaliyuga: 432000If one divides the above four numbers by 360 one would get:a. Krityuga : 4800b. Tretayuga: 3600c. Dwaparyuga: 2400d. Kaliyuga: 1200Sri Yuketswar explains in The Holy Science that the actual length of the various yugas are NOT 1, 2, 3 and 4 above but a, b, c and d above. At para 18 of the extract of The Holy Science (that I had attached in my earlier email) he explains how this error had crept in.It is generally accepted that Ram had lived in the last Tretayuga (as you rightly pointed out). Going by the figures given at 1, 2, 3 and 4 above, that would place him AT LEAST 869,106 back from now. (5106 + 864000 = 869,106). Do you really think Ram would have lived THAT long ago? If one takes the figures at a, b, c and d the figure will reduce from 869,106 to 5106 (at least, as of this year 2005). Does the figure 869,106 appear reasonable and realistic? Or does 5106 appear reasonable and realistic? Sri Yuteswar had explained that it would be the latter. Food for thought. Vaidun Vidyadhar Tamworth, NSW Australia Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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