Appearance of Choice

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very interesting and I agree at times things happen in our life by just virtue

of getting at right place at right time and all other supporting circumstances.

I was also reading in one of the book on astrology that house 3, 6, 10 and 11

which are upchayu house and have free will component to it. That means 33% is

free will in our pre casted birth chart and rest all is karma /destiny path..

What do you think about role of house 3,6,10 and 11 in the context of free will

?

 

RaviDas Goravani <das (AT) goravani (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes, it appears we have choice, if you are looking at this world as real and

complete, and ourselves as real citizens in a real free world, in other worlds,

if you buy the illusion wholesale, it all looks fairly real and workable, and as

if you have choice.Unless you are in Iraq, wondering what just happened to your

leg, or a kid floating in the waters of Louisiana, or bleeding in an unexpected

car crash on the way to work, or why your celibate Guru just ran off with a

woman- right when his chart says he should.But really, it does APPEAR we have

choice and that’s the day to day we live in. We live in the world of illusory

choice, actions, buildings, days, countries, etc.There was a time when Rome,

the ancient, was bussling and all the people were going here and there.Now all

those people are dust, as is there ancient great

empire. None of the choices are helping any of them. They weren’t choices

anyway, they just did what was “normal” to them, as are we.With the body comes

the whole game plan, and you live it, thinking you are choosing it. Both are

real to the observer, the choices and the predetermined “events”, but in

actuality, if you look deeply, choice is impossible.Rick MacQuoid

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What do you think about role of house 3,6,10 and 11 in the context of free will ?

Within the illusion of life, there is much science, including physics, and all

subtle mysticism and astrology and so on.

So there is much that can be said about “this and that” being effectual on choosing.

But saying any portion of life is up to us is evading my simple point which is

an unassailable salient primordialism:

If all things are created by something other than ourselves, including the

mechanism with which we think and perceive, the brain, and if our bodies and

brains are so sensitive to attack, disease, mortality, etc., and if we are

choosing according to genes, species, race, background, education, and so on,

which we see is completely true, then there cannot be ANY freedom at all,

it’s impossible, by logic, because freedom starts with totally free will,

which then manifests what it wills without impediment.

There is not that in our lives, surely.

So we can talk about how much is free, and that could be correct, if we are

accepting certain parameters, like the world context we live in. OK, my skin

color was preset but I can be an engineer or a cab driver, as I CHOOSE. This

seems correct enough and that is “life”. But that

“life” is a temporary view of the whole, and it will vanish to

dust. The choosing you do while in it is so limited to it, the thing, the

body, that you can hardly call it “your choices”. It’s you

within a lot of parameters. It’s the “limited edition” of

your choices at best. That is what many say. That we have “limited

choosing”.

So we’re just talking on two different levels. I’m saying that we

are in a whole, and we are parts only, and our part, what we will do, is

automatic, just as the baby deer WILL run behind it’s mother, so our

children WILL go to schools. It all begins at birth or gestation really.

So we’re talking on two different levels. I still to re-mentioning this

absolute stance because I find it incredibly amazing. It really whacks your

consciousness to ponder it. I have fear a lot, just the feeling of it, very

uncomfortable, and this thought helps...that all things are in the one, and the

one is unfolding itself and as it does it lets all it’s parts know the new

ways and truths...we’re all updated, reincarnating, all along as we all/it

realizes the truth about itself.

I see the universe as an evolving entity on one level, and the humans are the

brain of it, or one of the perceiving brain centers, where the parts share via

“language” and are constantly updating each other and thus the

“whole”.

Within the whole there is division of cosciousness manifesting as races and

countries and political parties etc., so as to create and live out the decision

making dramas that help the whole learn more.

It’s just a big churning school. We really don’t have proof for

anything else. If there is a Supreme God he’s running the thing I’m

mentioning to create playmates who “Got it” on their own through

school so that they wouldn’t just be created robot zombies, which would

be less fun for God.

Frankly, the way most people think of God, doesn’t work for me anymore.

Anyway, bottom line, is this: Vedic astrology works so well, that I can see

there is pre-destiny to SOME degree. Thinking then with logic, I conclude that

if a lot is predestined, which I can see it is, then it’s all predestined

because “some” would not work by itself. You couldn’t have

proper pre-planned car accidents unless BOTH parties are there, know what I

mean?

So, it’s ALL predestined, I can truly see that, and believe it, and think

it from logic. It seems completely possible to me that this whole place is one

big “thing” or unit, totally and completely intertwined within

itself to such a degree as that it is completely true that all things are

always intertwined and thus predestined, a machine, a very big, very complex,

machine.

The human units within that thing have brains, lights are on, perceiving little

critters we are! and we don’t know the script of the machine, but

we’re in it, and we choose exactly as planned, we actually think

we’re choosing, but we’re not, we’re just functioning,

“choosing” exactly what we should.

I saw a man the other day in a truck, pulling a cement saw on his way to a job.

The man in the truth would MUCH rather be doing something else, but he is FORCED

to do that grueling by dint of every second of his life up to that point.

It’s not a choice, it’s forced. But he THINKS he’s choosing

to go to work each day. His name is Silly Billy.

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"If all things are created by something other than ourselves,"

 

No external power or being or God created you, you created yourself.

Essentially, there is no difference at all between the REAL you and the

external power or being or God that you THINK created you.

 

The REAL you only APPEARS to be a separate entity. That is the delusion of

Maya. The REAL you has always been a part and parcel of the greater,

all-encompassing reality. When you REALise that, the delusion of Maya

vanishes. You then wake into the REALity of the REAL you. You then REALise

that all your past experiences: the pains and pleasures, the sorrow and

happiness, the gains and losses, the triumphs and despair, the days and nights,

were ALL just a dream. It didn't really happen at all. It was just a bad (or

good) dream ................. as long as it lasted.

 

Vaidun Vidyadhar

Tamworth, NSW

Australia

Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au

valist [valist] On Behalf Of Das

GoravaniWednesday, 28 September 2005 01:58To:

valistSubject: Re: Appearance of Choice

What do you think about role of house 3,6,10 and 11 in the context of free will

?Within the illusion of life, there is much science, including physics, and all

subtle mysticism and astrology and so on.So there is much that can be said about

“this and that” being effectual on choosing. But saying any portion

of life is up to us is evading my simple point which is an unassailable salient

primordialism:If all things are created by something other than ourselves,

including the mechanism with which we think and perceive, the brain, and if our

bodies and brains are so sensitive to attack, disease, mortality, etc., and if

we are choosing according to genes, species, race, background, education, and

so on, which we see is completely true, then there cannot be ANY freedom at

all, it’s impossible, by logic, because freedom starts with totally free

will, which then manifests what it wills without impediment.There is not that

in our lives, surely.So we can talk about how much is free, and that could be

correct, if we are accepting certain parameters, like the world context we live

in. OK, my skin color was preset but I can be an engineer or a cab driver, as I

CHOOSE. This seems correct enough and that is “life”. But that

“life” is a temporary view of the whole, and it will vanish to

dust. The choosing you do while in it is so limited to it, the thing, the

body, that you can hardly call it “your choices”. It’s you

within a lot of parameters. It’s the “limited edition” of

your choices at best. That is what many say. That we have “limited

choosing”.So we’re just talking on two different levels. I’m

saying that we are in a whole, and we are parts only, and our part, what we will

do, is automatic, just as the baby deer WILL run behind it’s mother, so

our children WILL go to schools. It all begins at birth or gestation really.So

we’re talking on two different levels. I still to re-mentioning this

absolute stance because I find it incredibly amazing. It really whacks your

consciousness to ponder it. I have fear a lot, just the feeling of it, very

uncomfortable, and this thought helps...that all things are in the one, and the

one is unfolding itself and as it does it lets all it’s parts know the new

ways and truths...we’re all updated, reincarnating, all along as we all/it

realizes the truth about itself.I see the universe as an evolving entity on one

level, and the humans are the brain of it, or one of the perceiving brain

centers, where the parts share via “language” and are constantly

updating each other and thus the “whole”. Within the whole there is

division of cosciousness manifesting as races and countries and political

parties etc., so as to create and live out the decision making dramas that help

the whole learn more. It’s just a big churning school. We really

don’t have proof for anything else. If there is a Supreme God he’s

running the thing I’m mentioning to create playmates who “Got

it” on their own through school so that they wouldn’t just be

created robot zombies, which would be less fun for God.Frankly, the way most

people think of God, doesn’t work for me anymore.Anyway, bottom line, is

this: Vedic astrology works so well, that I can see there is pre-destiny to

SOME degree. Thinking then with logic, I conclude that if a lot is

predestined, which I can see it is, then it’s all predestined because

“some” would not work by itself. You couldn’t have proper

pre-planned car accidents unless BOTH parties are there, know what I mean?So,

it’s ALL predestined, I can truly see that, and believe it, and think it

from logic. It seems completely possible to me that this whole place is one

big “thing” or unit, totally and completely intertwined within

itself to such a degree as that it is completely true that all things are

always intertwined and thus predestined, a machine, a very big, very complex,

machine.The human units within that thing have brains, lights are on,

perceiving little critters we are! and we don’t know the script of the

machine, but we’re in it, and we choose exactly as planned, we actually

think we’re choosing, but we’re not, we’re just functioning,

“choosing” exactly what we should.I saw a man the other day in a

truck, pulling a cement saw on his way to a job.The man in the truth would MUCH

rather be doing something else, but he is FORCED to do that grueling by dint of

every second of his life up to that point. It’s not a choice, it’s

forced. But he THINKS he’s choosing to go to work each day. His name is

Silly Billy.Rick MacQuoid das (AT) goravani (DOT) comAIM: ROIKMACKAI IM:

das_goravanihttp://www.goravani.com Secure online ordering of Goravani

Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 32852 Willamette St

#353 or (Please use

email if at all possible)

[Guest guest]

No external power or being or God created you, you created yourself.

Essentially, there is no difference at all between the REAL you and the

external power or being or God that you THINK created you.

This is a conclusion, like believing in God, we have no proof for.

[Guest guest]

There are many many rishis, seers and saints who have taken this path of enquiry

and this is what they have found, seen and EXPERIENCED for themselves. It is

not a CONCLUSION. It is REAL-TIME experience. ANYONE can also have the same

experience if they follow the prescribed path, and there are several paths.

But unfortunately, such real-time experiences cannot generally be gained in one

lifetime or even several lifetimes by mere mortals like you and I. But if one

keeps at it, with faith and sincerity, it WILL come. The bible says: "Seek

and ye shall find".

 

There is another spiritual law that says, "When the field is ready, the seed WILL come".

 

 

valist [valist] On Behalf Of Das

GoravaniWednesday, 28 September 2005 09:39To:

valistSubject: Re: Appearance of Choice

No external power or being or God created you, you created yourself.

Essentially, there is no difference at all between the REAL you and the

external power or being or God that you THINK created you. This is a

conclusion, like believing in God, we have no proof for.