RE: Any chance of health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Tripathy,Please find below a "copy-paste" 1st mail from Yasmin, to whom

I asked toanswer your questions for horo-accuracy check-up.Thank you very

much,Roy_____________Thank you so much for

your reply.I asked my mother the questions you asked below and it was a long

time agobut she answered it the best way she could.I really appreciate you

doing this for me, I really need to understand why Ihave had such bad fate,

everything in my body is turning against me, it islike I have been bewitched, I

was perfectly healthy up to 2002, then I hadan heart operation due to a CIA

which was very, very strange as this shouldhave been detected in childhood and

not at the age of 32, I had so manydoctors and check ups and no one noticed

anything, then, after the birth ofmy son in 2004 I was diagnosed with Lupus

which mainly attacks my heart asit is the part of my body which was touched due

to the CIA operation. InOctober 2005 I got a quisto on my left ovary that had to

be removed again bysurgery, I now have another 3 quistos in my maxilar so I must

do anothersurgery to remove at least one of then as it is giving me a very bad

time,so again in 2006 I must do another surgery. It is one thing after

anotherand I have been told that I am going to have a year with ups and downs

as mysun sign has returned to the 8th hourse of Scorpio which is a certain

deathinvolved. I have not had one moment of peace since 2002, it is

incredibleand I am very very worried about my body as there is so much it can

take.I really do not know, I am totally devastated by this, and sometimes I

havea lot of problems finding the strength to go on. Is my whole life going

tobe a battle field of survival ??Any help or recommendation will be much

welcomed.Hare Krishna and I look forward to hearing from you soon.Yasmin-----

Original Message ----- "p.k. tripathy" <pktripathy2003 >To:

<valist>Monday, January 30, 2006 4:09 PMRe: [VA]

Any chance of health improvement?> Dear Mr Roy,>> Before we move for appropriate

remidies for the> disease let us check-up horo-accuracy. So please> confirm

following:>> 1) The birth of the native occurred in a new built> nice house

located at east west main road having north> south facing,possibly hospital.>>

2) Nearby waterly place and greeneries.>> 3) Good lightings inside the house.>>

4) Charming and young lady doctor in delivery house.>> 5) Though the disease was

a prolonged one but got> exaggerated on and after Aug.2004 and from there>

improbability of curing arose.>> Please confirm the above for further

proceedings.>> With best wishes,> P K Tripathy.>> --- Roy Kamiki

<nutrideias (AT) sapo (DOT) pt> wrote:>>> Dear members,>>>>>>>> A daughter of my friend is

currently suffering from>> a very unusual chronic>> illness. It is called

psoriasis. Her doctor>> prescribed small doses of>> cortisone as a remedy. And

according the to medics,>> there is no true remedy>> to her immune system

malfunction. But I was informed>> that through proper>> diet and ayurvedic

therapy, one could recover good>> health from such malady.>>>>>>>> Her birth

information is:>>>> Name: Yasmin D.>>>> DOB: 25 August 1970>>>> TOB: 4:15

am>>>> POB: Tehran, IRAN Long. 51º26'E Lat. 35º40'N>>>> Time Zone 3:30 No

daylight saving>>>>>>>> As for Lahiri Ayanamsa, the chart indicates>>

debilitation for two functional>> malefics: Venus and Saturn. Saturn, in enemy

sign>> Aries 10th house is the>> lord of 8th house, which probably triggered

her>> chronic illness, but Ketu is>> also less then 2 degrees from Sun in 2nd

house.>> Although Sun is in own sign,>> in mulatrikona, such a close

conjunction can>> virtually swallow the luminary.>> But on the other hand, Ketu

is direct stationary,>> which, according to>> scriptures, is equivalent to

exaltation condition.>>>>>>>> I consulted some books but could not find any>>

explanation on this particular>> condition. Could any of the members kindly

help me>> with this case? What are>> the effects of Ketu in nearly very close

conjunction>> with Sun. Could such>> planetary state provoke odd illnesses?

Ketu in>> direct stationary generally>> provides goods results, but how about

this case?>> Will the node cause greater>> harm?>>>>>>>> Her mother is very

concerned about her daughter's>> future, and asked me to>> check her chart. I

told her that I am still a>> student, but she insisted that>> I try. Please, I

would very much appreciate if>> somebody could comment>> whether Yasmin has

chances to improve her health. If>> so, which dasa and>> bhukti is most likely

to provide such opportunity?>>>>>>>> Thank you very much.>>>> Roy>>

[Guest guest]

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Yasmin … I too have been

getting beat up by the planets the last few years… it has made me realize

just how little freedom we really have. It has also educated me into giving it

all over to God to take care of. I realized that the more I fight it the more I

suffer, so I now take no more responsibly for my life. It is Gods to do with

now… his will … Enough about me!

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">You sweet lady on the other hand, have a completely

debilitated Venus. Venus is responsible for the female organs. The best you can

do at this point is to nurture them. Forgive my bluntness, but there should be

very little sex in your life. You need to build Ojas!  Take 1 tablespoon of Shatavari

a day… Start Urine Therapy… and see if you can find a necklace of

clear quartz crystals beads. If you find these things email me and I will give

you additional instructions… Bless you…        

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

                    

                 Noel Gilbert

                                          

Counselor

                                     

Body, Mind & Soul

                                     

LifeStyle Counselor

                                    

"Arial Narrow";color:navy">Ayurveda -

Herbalism

                               

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

 

valist

[valist] On Behalf Of Roy

Kamiki

Monday, February 06, 2006

1:43 AM

valist

Re: Any chance of

health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

 

Dear Mr. Tripathy,

Please find below a "copy-paste" 1st mail from Yasmin, to whom I

asked to

answer your questions for horo-accuracy check-up.

Thank you very much,

Roy

_____________

Thank you so much for your reply.

I asked my mother the questions you asked below and it was a long time ago

but she answered it the best way she could.

I really appreciate you doing this for me, I really need to understand why I

have had such bad fate, everything in my body is turning against me, it is

like I have been bewitched, I was perfectly healthy up to 2002, then I had

an heart operation due to a CIA which was very, very strange as this should

have been detected in childhood and not at the age of 32, I had so many

doctors and check ups and no one noticed anything, then, after the birth of

my son in 2004 I was diagnosed with Lupus which mainly attacks my heart as

it is the part of my body which was touched due to the CIA operation. In

October 2005 I got a quisto on my left ovary that had to be removed again by

surgery, I now have another 3 quistos in my maxilar so I must do another

surgery to remove at least one of then as it is giving me a very bad time,

so again in 2006 I must do another surgery. It is one thing after

another

and I have been told that I am going to have a year with ups and downs as my

sun sign has returned to the 8th hourse of Scorpio which is a certain death

involved. I have not had one moment of peace since 2002, it is incredible

and I am very very worried about my body as there is so much it can take.

I really do not know, I am totally devastated by this, and sometimes I have

a lot of problems finding the strength to go on. Is my whole life

going to

be a battle field of survival ??

Any help or recommendation will be much welcomed.

Hare Krishna and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Yasmin

-

"p.k. tripathy" <pktripathy2003 >

<valist>

Monday, January 30, 2006 4:09 PM

Re: Any chance of health improvement?

> Dear Mr Roy,

>

> Before we move for appropriate remidies for the

> disease let us check-up horo-accuracy. So please

> confirm following:

>

> 1) The birth of the native occurred in a new built

> nice house located at east west main road having north

> south facing,possibly hospital.

>

> 2) Nearby waterly place and greeneries.

>

> 3) Good lightings inside the house.

>

> 4) Charming and young lady doctor in delivery house.

>

> 5) Though the disease was a prolonged one but got

> exaggerated on and after Aug.2004 and from there

> improbability of curing arose.

>

> Please confirm the above for further proceedings.

>

> With best wishes,

> P K Tripathy.

>

> --- Roy Kamiki <nutrideias (AT) sapo (DOT) pt>

wrote:

>

>> Dear members,

>>

>>

>>

>> A daughter of my friend is currently suffering from

>> a very unusual chronic

>> illness. It is called psoriasis. Her doctor

>> prescribed small doses of

>> cortisone as a remedy. And according the to medics,

>> there is no true remedy

>> to her immune system malfunction. But I was informed

>> that through proper

>> diet and ayurvedic therapy, one could recover good

>> health from such malady.

>>

>>

>>

>> Her birth information is:

>>

>> Name: Yasmin D.

>>

>> DOB: 25 August 1970

>>

>> TOB: 4:15 am

>>

>> POB: Tehran, IRAN Long. 51º26'E Lat. 35º40'N

>>

>> Time Zone 3:30 No daylight saving

>>

>>

>>

>> As for Lahiri Ayanamsa, the chart indicates

>> debilitation for two functional

>> malefics: Venus and Saturn. Saturn, in enemy sign

>> Aries 10th house is the

>> lord of 8th house, which probably triggered her

>> chronic illness, but Ketu is

>> also less then 2 degrees from Sun in 2nd house.

>> Although Sun is in own sign,

>> in mulatrikona, such a close conjunction can

>> virtually swallow the luminary.

>> But on the other hand, Ketu is direct stationary,

>> which, according to

>> scriptures, is equivalent to exaltation condition.

>>

>>

>>

>> I consulted some books but could not find any

>> explanation on this particular

>> condition. Could any of the members kindly help me

>> with this case? What are

>> the effects of Ketu in nearly very close conjunction

>> with Sun. Could such

>> planetary state provoke odd illnesses? Ketu in

>> direct stationary generally

>> provides goods results, but how about this case?

>> Will the node cause greater

>> harm?

>>

>>

>>

>> Her mother is very concerned about her daughter's

>> future, and asked me to

>> check her chart. I told her that I am still a

>> student, but she insisted that

>> I try. Please, I would very much appreciate if

>> somebody could comment

>> whether Yasmin has chances to improve her health. If

>> so, which dasa and

>> bhukti is most likely to provide such opportunity?

>>

>>

>>

>> Thank you very much.

>>

>> Roy

>>

[Guest guest]

On Feb 6, 2006, at 1:42 AM, Roy Kamiki wrote:

 

> Any help or recommendation will be much welcomed.

 

avoid doctors.

take care of your health.

research, research, research; see your body as a lab.

notice the effects of what you eat and how you think on your health

and energy.

eat lots of raw fruits & green leafy vegetables.

health is important.

doctors are not health experts; they are pathology experts.

don't let them cut on you.

cutting human flesh is very unnatural.

can lead to more illness.

[Guest guest]

Wow Patricia . I don't want to start a debate here but health and disease is

never that cut and dry. Yes surgery is not a natural way, but if it saves a

life then it is well worth it. I watched my mother die of Ovarian Cancer

because of her unwillingness to be operated on. Where as I have seen women

{my wife included} live a long and productive life without them.

 

I think a lot has to do with where you live too. I have seen some very great

and dedicated doctors. And there ability to run test to find the problem, or

at least the effect of the cause, is superior to any alterative health

method. If for no other reason to try to find out what you're dealing with.

 

Mankind as been doing surgery since the beginning of time. Ayurveda has a

whole section devoted to this area. And to ignore it would be shutting a

door that God might want to use. Sorry but I just don't believe in shutting

out a possible solution to the problem.

 

 

Noel Gilbert

Counselor

Body, Mind & Soul

LifeStyle Counselor

Ayurveda - Herbalism

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

 

 

valist [valist] On Behalf Of

Patricia Robinett

Monday, February 06, 2006 12:46 PM

valist

Re: Any chance of health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

 

On Feb 6, 2006, at 1:42 AM, Roy Kamiki wrote:

 

> Any help or recommendation will be much welcomed.

 

avoid doctors.

take care of your health.

research, research, research; see your body as a lab.

notice the effects of what you eat and how you think on your health

and energy.

eat lots of raw fruits & green leafy vegetables.

health is important.

doctors are not health experts; they are pathology experts.

don't let them cut on you.

cutting human flesh is very unnatural.

can lead to more illness.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

i advocate health.

that means scrutinizing our diets, our thoughts, our attitudes,

everything that might make our bodies tense up in any way.

surgery is a VERY extreme intervention.

i believe in it when there are accidents, but otherwise, i wish

our own health system was based on health and not pathology.

don't you?

 

On Feb 6, 2006, at 1:33 PM, Noel wrote:

 

> Wow Patricia . I don't want to start a debate here but health and

> disease is

> never that cut and dry. Yes surgery is not a natural way, but if

> it saves a

> life then it is well worth it. I watched my mother die of Ovarian

> Cancer

> because of her unwillingness to be operated on. Where as I have

> seen women

> {my wife included} live a long and productive life without them.

>

> I think a lot has to do with where you live too. I have seen some

> very great

> and dedicated doctors. And there ability to run test to find the

> problem, or

> at least the effect of the cause, is superior to any alterative health

> method. If for no other reason to try to find out what you're

> dealing with.

>

> Mankind as been doing surgery since the beginning of time. Ayurveda

> has a

> whole section devoted to this area. And to ignore it would be

> shutting a

> door that God might want to use. Sorry but I just don't believe in

> shutting

> out a possible solution to the problem.

 

***

"Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de

Montaigne

***

 

Patricia Robinett

www.aesculapiuspress.com

[Guest guest]

Prevention is always better then a last resort effort and this would be an

ideal world if everybody was school and practice such, but this is not the

real world we live in.

 

There are people out there that would do better with cooked vegetables then

with raw vegetables; especially if there is poor digestion and the disease

is of a wasting nature.

 

To truly understand prevention and cure of disease you have to understand

its nature. It's all about balance... cause and effect! To much of this and

you will suffer... To little of that and you will suffer. There is a fine

line where life will exist; and an even finer line where there is comfort.

The possibilities are endless, and it's different for everybody.

 

I have studied most of our worldly systems and Ayurveda is the best that I

have seen... but even Ayurveda can't stop a runway train. Sometimes you have

to remove the effect to save the life, and then you can address the cause.

 

I am sorry. I don't mean to attack your good intentions here but she's seems

to be beyond pulling out of this just by eating better. She seems to be

devastated by this and for her to ignore her doctor on your advice would be

Luna crest.

 

Noel Gilbert

Counselor

Body, Mind & Soul

LifeStyle Counselor

Ayurveda - Herbalism

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

 

 

valist [valist] On Behalf Of

Patricia Robinett

Monday, February 06, 2006 11:39 PM

valist

Re: Any chance of health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

 

i advocate health.

that means scrutinizing our diets, our thoughts, our attitudes,

everything that might make our bodies tense up in any way.

surgery is a VERY extreme intervention.

i believe in it when there are accidents, but otherwise, i wish

our own health system was based on health and not pathology.

don't you?

 

On Feb 6, 2006, at 1:33 PM, Noel wrote:

 

> Wow Patricia . I don't want to start a debate here but health and

> disease is

> never that cut and dry. Yes surgery is not a natural way, but if

> it saves a

> life then it is well worth it. I watched my mother die of Ovarian

> Cancer

> because of her unwillingness to be operated on. Where as I have

> seen women

> {my wife included} live a long and productive life without them.

>

> I think a lot has to do with where you live too. I have seen some

> very great

> and dedicated doctors. And there ability to run test to find the

> problem, or

> at least the effect of the cause, is superior to any alterative health

> method. If for no other reason to try to find out what you're

> dealing with.

>

> Mankind as been doing surgery since the beginning of time. Ayurveda

> has a

> whole section devoted to this area. And to ignore it would be

> shutting a

> door that God might want to use. Sorry but I just don't believe in

> shutting

> out a possible solution to the problem.

 

***

"Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de

Montaigne

***

 

Patricia Robinett

www.aesculapiuspress.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Feb 7, 2006, at 12:30 AM, Noel wrote:

 

> To truly understand prevention and cure of disease you have to

> understand

> its nature. It's all about balance... cause and effect! To much of

> this and

> you will suffer... To little of that and you will suffer. There is

> a fine

> line where life will exist; and an even finer line where there is

> comfort.

> The possibilities are endless, and it's different for everybody.

 

i think i understand nature very well.

nature is beautiful. nature is simple.

humans are unnatural. humans are complex.

we like to think we can improve upon nature.

we do best when we cooperate with nature instead of compete with it.

humans create a lot of troubles for themselves and other creatures.

 

no other animal in this world cooks its food.

when zookeepers feed animals in zoos cooked food,

the animals get human diseases and they are unable to reproduce.

when they feed zoo animals raw foods like they eat in the wild,

they get well again and can reproduce again.

it's simple. it works.

 

where i live there are deer. they are simple, beautiful creatures.

i have learned a lot from watching them.

they eat green leaves all day long.

our bodies are not all that different from the bodies of animals.

gorillas and chimpanzees are our nearest relatives and they eat

mostly fruits and green leaves.

 

> I am sorry. I don't mean to attack your good intentions here but

> she's seems

> to be beyond pulling out of this just by eating better. She seems

> to be

> devastated by this and for her to ignore her doctor on your advice

> would be

> Luna crest.

 

unfortunate.

but perhaps this situation will inspire us all to take

even better care of our priceless temples,

we can prevent health problems by making wise choices,

and by not letting doctors put us into a panic and talk us into

unnecessary medical procedures.

astrology can tell us what we need to eat to support our energies.

there is much we can do to take good care of ourselves.

we deserve to have pain-free, healthy, happy lives.

here's a fun and informative article i wrote many years ago...

http://www.patriciarobinett.com/eating.html

love, patricia

 

 

> Noel Gilbert

> Counselor

> Body, Mind & Soul

> LifeStyle Counselor

> Ayurveda - Herbalism

> Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

***

"Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de

Montaigne

***

 

Patricia Robinett

www.aesculapiuspress.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Noel Gilbert,

On behalf of Yasmin, thank you very much for your kind words. I will forward

your your mail to her immediately. In case she does require additional

instructions for the therapy, can consult for your guidance throught VA forum?

Thank you again for your kindness and blessings.

 

Roy

 

 

-

Noel

valist

Monday, February 06, 2006 4:36 PM

RE: Any chance of health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

Dear Yasmin … I too have been getting beat up by the planets the last few years…

it has made me realize just how little freedom we really have. It has also

educated me into giving it all over to God to take care of. I realized that the

more I fight it the more I suffer, so I now take no more responsibly for my

life. It is Gods to do with now… his will … Enough about me!

 

You sweet lady on the other hand, have a completely debilitated Venus. Venus is

responsible for the female organs. The best you can do at this point is to

nurture them. Forgive my bluntness, but there should be very little sex in your

life. You need to build Ojas! Take 1 tablespoon of Shatavari a day… Start Urine

Therapy… and see if you can find a necklace of clear quartz crystals beads. If

you find these things email me and I will give you additional instructions…

Bless you…

 

Noel Gilbert

Counselor

Body, Mind & Soul

LifeStyle Counselor

Ayurveda - Herbalism

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

valist

[valist] On Behalf Of Roy KamikiMonday, February

06, 2006 1:43 AMvalistSubject: Re: Any chance of

health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

 

Dear Mr. Tripathy,Please find below a "copy-paste" 1st mail from Yasmin, to whom

I asked toanswer your questions for horo-accuracy check-up.Thank you very

much,Roy_____________Thank you so much for

your reply.I asked my mother the questions you asked below and it was a long

time agobut she answered it the best way she could.I really appreciate you

doing this for me, I really need to understand why Ihave had such bad fate,

everything in my body is turning against me, it islike I have been bewitched, I

was perfectly healthy up to 2002, then I hadan heart operation due to a CIA

which was very, very strange as this shouldhave been detected in childhood and

not at the age of 32, I had so manydoctors and check ups and no one noticed

anything, then, after the birth ofmy son in 2004 I was diagnosed with Lupus

which mainly attacks my heart asit is the part of my body which was touched due

to the CIA operation. InOctober 2005 I got a quisto on my left ovary that had to

be removed again bysurgery, I now have another 3 quistos in my maxilar so I must

do anothersurgery to remove at least one of then as it is giving me a very bad

time,so again in 2006 I must do another surgery. It is one thing after

anotherand I have been told that I am going to have a year with ups and downs

as mysun sign has returned to the 8th hourse of Scorpio which is a certain

deathinvolved. I have not had one moment of peace since 2002, it is

incredibleand I am very very worried about my body as there is so much it can

take.I really do not know, I am totally devastated by this, and sometimes I

havea lot of problems finding the strength to go on. Is my whole life going

tobe a battle field of survival ??Any help or recommendation will be much

welcomed.Hare Krishna and I look forward to hearing from you soon.Yasmin-----

Original Message ----- "p.k. tripathy" <pktripathy2003 >To:

<valist>Monday, January 30, 2006 4:09 PMRe: [VA]

Any chance of health improvement?> Dear Mr Roy,>> Before we move for appropriate

remidies for the> disease let us check-up horo-accuracy. So please> confirm

following:>> 1) The birth of the native occurred in a new built> nice house

located at east west main road having north> south facing,possibly hospital.>>

2) Nearby waterly place and greeneries.>> 3) Good lightings inside the house.>>

4) Charming and young lady doctor in delivery house.>> 5) Though the disease was

a prolonged one but got> exaggerated on and after Aug.2004 and from there>

improbability of curing arose.>> Please confirm the above for further

proceedings.>> With best wishes,> P K Tripathy.>> --- Roy Kamiki

<nutrideias (AT) sapo (DOT) pt> wrote:>>> Dear members,>>>>>>>> A daughter of my friend is

currently suffering from>> a very unusual chronic>> illness. It is called

psoriasis. Her doctor>> prescribed small doses of>> cortisone as a remedy. And

according the to medics,>> there is no true remedy>> to her immune system

malfunction. But I was informed>> that through proper>> diet and ayurvedic

therapy, one could recover good>> health from such malady.>>>>>>>> Her birth

information is:>>>> Name: Yasmin D.>>>> DOB: 25 August 1970>>>> TOB: 4:15

am>>>> POB: Tehran, IRAN Long. 51º26'E Lat. 35º40'N>>>> Time Zone 3:30 No

daylight saving>>>>>>>> As for Lahiri Ayanamsa, the chart indicates>>

debilitation for two functional>> malefics: Venus and Saturn. Saturn, in enemy

sign>> Aries 10th house is the>> lord of 8th house, which probably triggered

her>> chronic illness, but Ketu is>> also less then 2 degrees from Sun in 2nd

house.>> Although Sun is in own sign,>> in mulatrikona, such a close

conjunction can>> virtually swallow the luminary.>> But on the other hand, Ketu

is direct stationary,>> which, according to>> scriptures, is equivalent to

exaltation condition.>>>>>>>> I consulted some books but could not find any>>

explanation on this particular>> condition. Could any of the members kindly

help me>> with this case? What are>> the effects of Ketu in nearly very close

conjunction>> with Sun. Could such>> planetary state provoke odd illnesses?

Ketu in>> direct stationary generally>> provides goods results, but how about

this case?>> Will the node cause greater>> harm?>>>>>>>> Her mother is very

concerned about her daughter's>> future, and asked me to>> check her chart. I

told her that I am still a>> student, but she insisted that>> I try. Please, I

would very much appreciate if>> somebody could comment>> whether Yasmin has

chances to improve her health. If>> so, which dasa and>> bhukti is most likely

to provide such opportunity?>>>>>>>> Thank you very much.>>>> Roy>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Yasmin,

 

Well,from entire your reply I got one clearance of

last querry of my letter ie. the disease exaggerated

on and after 2004 and then improbablity of curing

arose,which has been confirmed by you on your reply to

me.

 

But there are other querries yet to be confirmed

properly, which pl.be done early in order to proceed

further for reaching a definate curing process.

 

With best wishes.

P K Tripathy.

 

 

--- Roy Kamiki <nutrideias wrote:

 

> Dear Mr. Noel Gilbert,

> On behalf of Yasmin, thank you very much for your

> kind words. I will forward your your mail to her

> immediately. In case she does require additional

> instructions for the therapy, can consult for your

> guidance throught VA forum? Thank you again for your

> kindness and blessings.

>

> Roy

>

>

> -

> Noel

> valist

> Monday, February 06, 2006 4:36 PM

> RE: Any chance of health

> improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

>

>

> Dear Yasmin . I too have been getting beat up by

> the planets the last few years. it has made me

> realize just how little freedom we really have. It

> has also educated me into giving it all over to God

> to take care of. I realized that the more I fight it

> the more I suffer, so I now take no more responsibly

> for my life. It is Gods to do with now. his will .

> Enough about me!

>

>

>

> You sweet lady on the other hand, have a

> completely debilitated Venus. Venus is responsible

> for the female organs. The best you can do at this

> point is to nurture them. Forgive my bluntness, but

> there should be very little sex in your life. You

> need to build Ojas! Take 1 tablespoon of Shatavari

> a day. Start Urine Therapy. and see if you can find

> a necklace of clear quartz crystals beads. If you

> find these things email me and I will give you

> additional instructions. Bless you.

>

>

>

> Noel Gilbert

>

>

> Counselor

>

> Body, Mind &

> Soul

>

> LifeStyle

> Counselor

>

> Ayurveda -

> Herbalism

>

> Nutrition -

> Medical Astrology

>

>

>

>

> valist

> [valist] On Behalf Of Roy

> Kamiki

> Monday, February 06, 2006 1:43 AM

> valist

> Re: Any chance of health

> improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

>

>

>

> Dear Mr. Tripathy,

>

> Please find below a "copy-paste" 1st mail from

> Yasmin, to whom I asked to

> answer your questions for horo-accuracy check-up.

>

> Thank you very much,

>

> Roy

>

>

> _____________

>

> Thank you so much for your reply.

>

> I asked my mother the questions you asked below

> and it was a long time ago

> but she answered it the best way she could.

>

> I really appreciate you doing this for me, I

> really need to understand why I

> have had such bad fate, everything in my body is

> turning against me, it is

> like I have been bewitched, I was perfectly

> healthy up to 2002, then I had

> an heart operation due to a CIA which was very,

> very strange as this should

> have been detected in childhood and not at the age

> of 32, I had so many

> doctors and check ups and no one noticed anything,

> then, after the birth of

> my son in 2004 I was diagnosed with Lupus which

> mainly attacks my heart as

> it is the part of my body which was touched due to

> the CIA operation. In

> October 2005 I got a quisto on my left ovary that

> had to be removed again by

> surgery, I now have another 3 quistos in my

> maxilar so I must do another

> surgery to remove at least one of then as it is

> giving me a very bad time,

> so again in 2006 I must do another surgery. It

> is one thing after another

> and I have been told that I am going to have a

> year with ups and downs as my

> sun sign has returned to the 8th hourse of Scorpio

> which is a certain death

> involved. I have not had one moment of peace

> since 2002, it is incredible

> and I am very very worried about my body as there

> is so much it can take.

>

> I really do not know, I am totally devastated by

> this, and sometimes I have

> a lot of problems finding the strength to go on.

> Is my whole life going to

> be a battle field of survival ??

>

> Any help or recommendation will be much welcomed.

>

> Hare Krishna and I look forward to hearing from

> you soon.

>

> Yasmin

>

>

> -

> "p.k. tripathy" <pktripathy2003

> <valist>

> Monday, January 30, 2006 4:09 PM

> Re: Any chance of health

> improvement?

>

>

> > Dear Mr Roy,

> >

> > Before we move for appropriate remidies for the

> > disease let us check-up horo-accuracy. So please

> > confirm following:

> >

> > 1) The birth of the native occurred in a new

> built

> > nice house located at east west main road having

> north

> > south facing,possibly hospital.

> >

> > 2) Nearby waterly place and greeneries.

> >

> > 3) Good lightings inside the house.

> >

> > 4) Charming and young lady doctor in delivery

> house.

> >

> > 5) Though the disease was a prolonged one but

> got

> > exaggerated on and after Aug.2004 and from there

> > improbability of curing arose.

> >

> > Please confirm the above for further

> proceedings.

> >

> > With best wishes,

> > P K Tripathy.

> >

> > --- Roy Kamiki <nutrideias wrote:

> >

> >> Dear members,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> A daughter of my friend is currently suffering

> from

> >> a very unusual chronic

> >> illness. It is called psoriasis. Her doctor

> >> prescribed small doses of

> >> cortisone as a remedy. And according the to

> medics,

> >> there is no true remedy

> >> to her immune system malfunction. But I was

> informed

> >> that through proper

> >> diet and ayurvedic therapy, one could recover

> good

> >> health from such malady.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Her birth information is:

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Roy/Yasmin,

 

Only querry no.5 of my letter has been confirmed by

Yasmin, there are still 4 querries left for

confimation which can be done early in order to

proceed for further diagnosis of the disease to get

proper remidial astro-herbal therapy.

 

With best wishes,

P K Tripathy.

 

--- Roy Kamiki <nutrideias wrote:

 

> Dear Mr. Tripathy,

>

> Please find below a "copy-paste" 1st mail from

> Yasmin, to whom I asked to

> answer your questions for horo-accuracy check-up.

>

> Thank you very much,

>

> Roy

>

>

> _____________

>

> Thank you so much for your reply.

>

> I asked my mother the questions you asked below and

> it was a long time ago

> but she answered it the best way she could.

>

> I really appreciate you doing this for me, I really

> need to understand why I

> have had such bad fate, everything in my body is

> turning against me, it is

> like I have been bewitched, I was perfectly healthy

> up to 2002, then I had

> an heart operation due to a CIA which was very, very

> strange as this should

> have been detected in childhood and not at the age

> of 32, I had so many

> doctors and check ups and no one noticed anything,

> then, after the birth of

> my son in 2004 I was diagnosed with Lupus which

> mainly attacks my heart as

> it is the part of my body which was touched due to

> the CIA operation. In

> October 2005 I got a quisto on my left ovary that

> had to be removed again by

> surgery, I now have another 3 quistos in my maxilar

> so I must do another

> surgery to remove at least one of then as it is

> giving me a very bad time,

> so again in 2006 I must do another surgery. It is

> one thing after another

> and I have been told that I am going to have a year

> with ups and downs as my

> sun sign has returned to the 8th hourse of Scorpio

> which is a certain death

> involved. I have not had one moment of peace since

> 2002, it is incredible

> and I am very very worried about my body as there is

> so much it can take.

>

> I really do not know, I am totally devastated by

> this, and sometimes I have

> a lot of problems finding the strength to go on.

> Is my whole life going to

> be a battle field of survival ??

>

> Any help or recommendation will be much welcomed.

>

> Hare Krishna and I look forward to hearing from you

> soon.

>

> Yasmin

>

>

> -

> "p.k. tripathy" <pktripathy2003

> <valist>

> Monday, January 30, 2006 4:09 PM

> Re: Any chance of health improvement?

>

>

> > Dear Mr Roy,

> >

> > Before we move for appropriate remidies for the

> > disease let us check-up horo-accuracy. So please

> > confirm following:

> >

> > 1) The birth of the native occurred in a new built

> > nice house located at east west main road having

> north

> > south facing,possibly hospital.

> >

> > 2) Nearby waterly place and greeneries.

> >

> > 3) Good lightings inside the house.

> >

> > 4) Charming and young lady doctor in delivery

> house.

> >

> > 5) Though the disease was a prolonged one but got

> > exaggerated on and after Aug.2004 and from there

> > improbability of curing arose.

> >

> > Please confirm the above for further proceedings.

> >

> > With best wishes,

> > P K Tripathy.

> >

> > --- Roy Kamiki <nutrideias wrote:

> >

> >> Dear members,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> A daughter of my friend is currently suffering

> from

> >> a very unusual chronic

> >> illness. It is called psoriasis. Her doctor

> >> prescribed small doses of

> >> cortisone as a remedy. And according the to

> medics,

> >> there is no true remedy

> >> to her immune system malfunction. But I was

> informed

> >> that through proper

> >> diet and ayurvedic therapy, one could recover

> good

> >> health from such malady.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Her birth information is:

> >>

> >> Name: Yasmin D.

> >>

> >> DOB: 25 August 1970

> >>

> >> TOB: 4:15 am

> >>

> >> POB: Tehran, IRAN Long. 51º26'E Lat. 35º40'N

> >>

> >> Time Zone 3:30 No daylight saving

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> As for Lahiri Ayanamsa, the chart indicates

> >> debilitation for two functional

> >> malefics: Venus and Saturn. Saturn, in enemy sign

> >> Aries 10th house is the

> >> lord of 8th house, which probably triggered her

> >> chronic illness, but Ketu is

> >> also less then 2 degrees from Sun in 2nd house.

> >> Although Sun is in own sign,

> >> in mulatrikona, such a close conjunction can

> >> virtually swallow the luminary.

> >> But on the other hand, Ketu is direct stationary,

> >> which, according to

> >> scriptures, is equivalent to exaltation

> condition.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I consulted some books but could not find any

> >> explanation on this particular

> >> condition. Could any of the members kindly help

> me

> >> with this case? What are

> >> the effects of Ketu in nearly very close

> conjunction

> >> with Sun. Could such

> >> planetary state provoke odd illnesses? Ketu in

> >> direct stationary generally

> >> provides goods results, but how about this case?

> >> Will the node cause greater

> >> harm?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Her mother is very concerned about her daughter's

> >> future, and asked me to

> >> check her chart. I told her that I am still a

> >> student, but she insisted that

> >> I try. Please, I would very much appreciate if

> >> somebody could comment

> >> whether Yasmin has chances to improve her health.

> If

> >> so, which dasa and

> >> bhukti is most likely to provide such

> opportunity?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Thank you very much.

> >>

> >> Roy

> >>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Patricia,

 

I have been attentively following the exchange of thoughts and opinions on

human nature and health. I find both yours and Mr. Noel's points very valid

because, ultimately, they both have the same conclusion. Yes, balance is

definitely the key word to avoid suffering of any type and nature, and I

believe Mr. Noel wasn't denying this point. He stated that it is easier to

convey the truth if the native accepts and understands it. All good

intentions are useless if the person can't understand the essential. Even

though application or therapy is effective whether the person believes in it

or not, I think it is important to consider the native's evolutionary

standpoint in order for the counsellor or medic to effectively convince the

patient of the truth; especially when we are considering major changes in

life style.

 

Fortunately, Yasimin was ready accepted a vegetarian; yet, I am no sure how

deep her understanding is. I feel that Mr. Noel was explaining the

importance of paradigm. Understanding the psychology and evolution of the

patient helps apply the therapy in a realistic way. Please correct me if I'm

wrong.

 

Roy

 

 

 

-

"Patricia Robinett" <patricia

<valist>

Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:17 AM

Re: Any chance of health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

 

 

> On Feb 7, 2006, at 12:30 AM, Noel wrote:

>

>> To truly understand prevention and cure of disease you have to

>> understand

>> its nature. It's all about balance... cause and effect! To much of

>> this and

>> you will suffer... To little of that and you will suffer. There is

>> a fine

>> line where life will exist; and an even finer line where there is

>> comfort.

>> The possibilities are endless, and it's different for everybody.

>

> i think i understand nature very well.

> nature is beautiful. nature is simple.

> humans are unnatural. humans are complex.

> we like to think we can improve upon nature.

> we do best when we cooperate with nature instead of compete with it.

> humans create a lot of troubles for themselves and other creatures.

>

> no other animal in this world cooks its food.

> when zookeepers feed animals in zoos cooked food,

> the animals get human diseases and they are unable to reproduce.

> when they feed zoo animals raw foods like they eat in the wild,

> they get well again and can reproduce again.

> it's simple. it works.

>

> where i live there are deer. they are simple, beautiful creatures.

> i have learned a lot from watching them.

> they eat green leaves all day long.

> our bodies are not all that different from the bodies of animals.

> gorillas and chimpanzees are our nearest relatives and they eat

> mostly fruits and green leaves.

>

>> I am sorry. I don't mean to attack your good intentions here but

>> she's seems

>> to be beyond pulling out of this just by eating better. She seems

>> to be

>> devastated by this and for her to ignore her doctor on your advice

>> would be

>> Luna crest.

>

> unfortunate.

> but perhaps this situation will inspire us all to take

> even better care of our priceless temples,

> we can prevent health problems by making wise choices,

> and by not letting doctors put us into a panic and talk us into

> unnecessary medical procedures.

> astrology can tell us what we need to eat to support our energies.

> there is much we can do to take good care of ourselves.

> we deserve to have pain-free, healthy, happy lives.

> here's a fun and informative article i wrote many years ago...

> http://www.patriciarobinett.com/eating.html

>

> love, patricia

>

>

>> Noel Gilbert

>> Counselor

>> Body, Mind & Soul

>> LifeStyle Counselor

>> Ayurveda - Herbalism

>> Nutrition - Medical Astrology

>

> ***

> "Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de

> Montaigne

> ***

>

> Patricia Robinett

> www.aesculapiuspress.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Roy. You are right to a certain degree. Even I don't know if Yasimin is

still living in Iran. I don't know much about her medical history or if her

doctor is even competent or not.

 

I real don't thing Yasimin will stop see her doctor just because Patricia

recommended it. But this is a very serous recommendation and can cost

someone their life if taken serous.

 

Patricia is an idealistic person and there is nothing wrong with that. we

need people like this to help change the world. But Yasimin is living in the

here and now. crying out for help she needs more then just a salad.

 

I use to be more like Patricia until my own health problems opened my eyes.

I was very much adverse to modern medicine because of a prior experience.

for seven years I ran from one from of naturist's way of thinking to

another; and when the suffering had gone beyond what I could tolerate

anymore and death was looking pretty good a MD pulled me out with

Pharmaceuticals and made my life worth live again.

 

I think it boils down to the old saying don't throw out the baby with the

bath water. Just because You see something that is not right for you,

doesn't mean it is not right for someone else.

 

Noel Gilbert

Counselor

Body, Mind & Soul

LifeStyle Counselor

Ayurveda - Herbalism

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

 

 

valist [valist] On Behalf Of

Roy Kamiki

Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:46 PM

valist

Re: Any chance of health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

 

Dear Patricia,

 

I have been attentively following the exchange of thoughts and opinions on

human nature and health. I find both yours and Mr. Noel's points very valid

because, ultimately, they both have the same conclusion. Yes, balance is

definitely the key word to avoid suffering of any type and nature, and I

believe Mr. Noel wasn't denying this point. He stated that it is easier to

convey the truth if the native accepts and understands it. All good

intentions are useless if the person can't understand the essential. Even

though application or therapy is effective whether the person believes in it

or not, I think it is important to consider the native's evolutionary

standpoint in order for the counsellor or medic to effectively convince the

patient of the truth; especially when we are considering major changes in

life style.

 

Fortunately, Yasimin was ready accepted a vegetarian; yet, I am no sure how

deep her understanding is. I feel that Mr. Noel was explaining the

importance of paradigm. Understanding the psychology and evolution of the

patient helps apply the therapy in a realistic way. Please correct me if I'm

wrong.

 

Roy

 

 

 

-

"Patricia Robinett" <patricia

<valist>

Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:17 AM

Re: Any chance of health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

 

 

> On Feb 7, 2006, at 12:30 AM, Noel wrote:

>

>> To truly understand prevention and cure of disease you have to

>> understand

>> its nature. It's all about balance... cause and effect! To much of

>> this and

>> you will suffer... To little of that and you will suffer. There is

>> a fine

>> line where life will exist; and an even finer line where there is

>> comfort.

>> The possibilities are endless, and it's different for everybody.

>

> i think i understand nature very well.

> nature is beautiful. nature is simple.

> humans are unnatural. humans are complex.

> we like to think we can improve upon nature.

> we do best when we cooperate with nature instead of compete with it.

> humans create a lot of troubles for themselves and other creatures.

>

> no other animal in this world cooks its food.

> when zookeepers feed animals in zoos cooked food,

> the animals get human diseases and they are unable to reproduce.

> when they feed zoo animals raw foods like they eat in the wild,

> they get well again and can reproduce again.

> it's simple. it works.

>

> where i live there are deer. they are simple, beautiful creatures.

> i have learned a lot from watching them.

> they eat green leaves all day long.

> our bodies are not all that different from the bodies of animals.

> gorillas and chimpanzees are our nearest relatives and they eat

> mostly fruits and green leaves.

>

>> I am sorry. I don't mean to attack your good intentions here but

>> she's seems

>> to be beyond pulling out of this just by eating better. She seems

>> to be

>> devastated by this and for her to ignore her doctor on your advice

>> would be

>> Luna crest.

>

> unfortunate.

> but perhaps this situation will inspire us all to take

> even better care of our priceless temples,

> we can prevent health problems by making wise choices,

> and by not letting doctors put us into a panic and talk us into

> unnecessary medical procedures.

> astrology can tell us what we need to eat to support our energies.

> there is much we can do to take good care of ourselves.

> we deserve to have pain-free, healthy, happy lives.

> here's a fun and informative article i wrote many years ago...

> http://www.patriciarobinett.com/eating.html

>

> love, patricia

>

>

>> Noel Gilbert

>> Counselor

>> Body, Mind & Soul

>> LifeStyle Counselor

>> Ayurveda - Herbalism

>> Nutrition - Medical Astrology

>

> ***

> "Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de

> Montaigne

> ***

>

> Patricia Robinett

> www.aesculapiuspress.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Feb 7, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Roy Kamiki wrote:

 

> Understanding the psychology and evolution of the

> patient helps apply the therapy in a realistic way. Please correct

> me if I'm

> wrong.

 

true, roy.

the more we live what works,

the more we know how simple healing is,

the more easily we can communicate it to others.

and the more it infuses them with confidence.

we teach and teach all the time...

with every word we speak, every thought we think,

our body language... it's all plain as day to others.

when we are truly healthy then we can help others

become truly healthy too.

we are all SO connected.

when our belief system is that illness is inevitable,

and healing is difficult (even impossible)

that is what we communicate: fear and dread and

therefore more illness.

"healer, heal thyself."

healing ourselves is our work, our school, our education...

excellent health is our diploma, our graduation.

[Guest guest]

> Yes Roy. You are right to a certain degree. Even I don't know if

> Yasimin is

> still living in Iran. I don't know much about her medical history

> or if her

> doctor is even competent or not.

>

> I real don't thing Yasimin will stop see her doctor just because

> Patricia

> recommended it. But this is a very serous recommendation and can cost

> someone their life if taken serous.

 

i am sorry, you guys; i just have such an antipathy toward doctors.

they hurt me badly once and they have hurt many others in my

country badly and i look at the medical system with HUGE question

marks in my eyes. an article in their own JAMA (journal of the

american medical association) quotes numbers of deaths caused

by the american medical system. medical treatment in our country

is the third leading cause of death, after cancer and heart disease.

in my eyes, neither cancer nor heart disease is necessary but has

been driven by the attitude of the medical system here, so in my

eyes, the medical system itself is the biggest killer in our country.

we are 37th in the world in health according to the WHO (world

health organization). we have lots of bells and whistles. we are

good at getting people to the hospital fast and at billing.. our costs

are higher than any other country, when adjusted to be fair to all

countries. i am ashamed of our medical system. it is smart but

not wise. it is blind to what really causes illness and true healing.

>

> Patricia is an idealistic person and there is nothing wrong with

> that. we

> need people like this to help change the world. But Yasimin is

> living in the

> here and now. crying out for help she needs more then just a salad.

 

if yasimin is in iran, she may need help to get out of fear. the US is

threatening to do to iran what it didi to iraq. i want to apologize

to all

here for the abominable way my country has been treating others.

it is inexcusable to treat people as we have.

>

> I use to be more like Patricia until my own health problems opened

> my eyes.

> I was very much adverse to modern medicine because of a prior

> experience.

> for seven years I ran from one from of naturist's way of thinking to

> another; and when the suffering had gone beyond what I could tolerate

> anymore and death was looking pretty good a MD pulled me out with

> Pharmaceuticals and made my life worth live again.

 

as long as you look outside yourself for healing, you will not find

true health.

"heal thyself" and then you will be qualified to advertise yourself as a

healer. i have gone that route and it is an important route to travel.

i used to drag around, not be able to get out of bed, was challenged by

moving my body at all. it hurt. it didn't work well. it was a burden.

now it is a pleasure and i enjoy my life. but MDs didn't do that.

>

> I think it boils down to the old saying don't throw out the baby

> with the

> bath water. Just because You see something that is not right for you,

> doesn't mean it is not right for someone else.

 

i would simply like to see the medical field become the health field.

that is my fondest wish. i would like to see true wisdom replace the

intellectual muscle that medicine uses to steamroller over everything

but its own system.

 

i see too much medical abuse in our country.

 

i had a very dear 90-year-old friend who was killed by the system of

medicine in our country; she was given a morphine drip and water was

withheld. they kill by dehydration.

she lasted much longer than they expected. i expect she

might have lived if they had not incapacitated her as they did.

she was a very strong person. but ? once they decide you're gone...

they make sure you are. no reprieve.

 

i currently have another long-time email friend in the hospital who

had a quadruple bypass heart surgery yesterday. his wife said he

is ok. ?!?!?!? i wish the system had all along been a health system,

not a medicine-surgery based system. it pretty much gives people

license to kill themselves with food & drink and then they profit

from their illnesses. no medical school in the country gives med

students an education in nutrition... and 'naturopaths' have the

same training minus the pharmaceuticals -- no nutrition... and even

the nutrition classes that are given are just more of the same old

'meat and potatoes and vegetable and ..." that doesn't work..

 

sorry. i am so unhappy with our system.

and i wish it was not thought of so highly elsewhere.

i wish our 'food' was not thought of so highly elsewhere.

i wish the US wasn't so aggressive and influential.

we have been known to take the american way into areas of the

world where people lived routinely over 100 years of age, and

within a few short years manage to reduce life expectancy by 25 years..

thanks to our wonderful american medicines and foods.

oh. i guess i should write my book about all this. LOL

 

> Noel Gilbert

> Counselor

> Body, Mind & Soul

> LifeStyle Counselor

> Ayurveda - Herbalism

> Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

***

"Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de

Montaigne

***

 

Patricia Robinett

www.aesculapiuspress.com

[Guest guest]

This is a nice dream Patricia but I doubt if you will see much change in

your life time... The world does not evolve that quickly and I don't think

Yasimin can wait until it does. There have been poor eating habits and wars

since the beginning of time. Your wishing other wise will not help Yasimin.

Besides, did you ever stop and think this is maybe how God wants it to be.

As your conciseness grows, you begin to see divine orchestration, and you

realize that everything is where it is suppose to be; how could it be other

wise? You will just try to help where you can and you lose the bitterness

about the way our world is...

I would like to apologies to you and everybody else on the forum... it was

not my intent to enter into a philosophical debate and this is not the

proper place for such...

Noel Gilbert

Counselor

Body, Mind & Soul

LifeStyle Counselor

Ayurveda - Herbalism

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

[Guest guest]

After reading Patricia's and Noel's further exchange of opinions, I can't

avoid but to see that truth lies on both. I can sympathise completely with

all the bitter experience Patricia had with MD, and I myself have also

witnessed many atrocities committed by them. Those who understand the

intrinsic deviation of the truth regarding MD should definitely speak out,

and try to convince all those who would like to hear the truth. I also

admire Noel's pragmatic approach, because, if we truly wish to help others,

we must accept flexibility in order to reach their hands.

 

 

 

Speaking of Ayurveda as one of the ancient limbs of Vedas, and as such, it

was practised by a very special civilisation. Although the knowledge may be

unadulterated, it sometimes seems so difficult to apply in the modern ages

(kali yuga). People have low standards, flinching concentration and less

intelligence. Our life style and conditions are unfavourable and, I suppose,

in drastic situations, drastic measures may be the only situation. This does

not take away the truth, but makes the truth difficult to apply. This is why

I also support Noel's point of view.

 

However, as Das Goravani quoted: "The basic paradigm of Jyotish is that we

are children of God and we are being lovingly and carefully carried through

a very large set of lessons which takes a number of life times to

accomplish." Most of the effective lessons are bitter and painful, and

Yasmin is probably going through the most agonising phase of her life. I

pray to God that attains some realisation and understanding during this

course. That is, in the proper understanding, she should do all that she can

with her strength to create good in her life. This way, the problems become

lessons in her life. Isn't it so that, if we deny such lesson, then

Divinity's next lesson is to teach us the negative effects of denying or

giving up?

 

I am convinced that the highest attainment is God-realisation, and although

Yasmin is very focused and concentrated in her condition, once in a while, I

try to convey the importance of understanding events in life as lessons.

Some scoff at my attempt to help people who are still deeply evolved in

materialistic life, but I try to carry on. I see Patricia's attempt to

convince others of how farce MD system is as a good contribution. She may

fail to convince many people, as her message is very difficult to digest for

the general majority, therefore I feel her endeavours are noble.

 

Roy

 

 

 

-

"Noel" <sattva

<valist>

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:53 AM

RE: Any chance of health improvement? (Mr. Tripathy)

 

 

> This is a nice dream Patricia but I doubt if you will see much change in

> your life time... The world does not evolve that quickly and I don't think

> Yasimin can wait until it does. There have been poor eating habits and

> wars

> since the beginning of time. Your wishing other wise will not help

> Yasimin.

> Besides, did you ever stop and think this is maybe how God wants it to be.

> As your conciseness grows, you begin to see divine orchestration, and you

> realize that everything is where it is suppose to be; how could it be

> other

> wise? You will just try to help where you can and you lose the bitterness

> about the way our world is...

> I would like to apologies to you and everybody else on the forum... it was

> not my intent to enter into a philosophical debate and this is not the

> proper place for such...

> Noel Gilbert

> Counselor

> Body, Mind & Soul

> LifeStyle Counselor

> Ayurveda - Herbalism

> Nutrition - Medical Astrology

>

>

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On Feb 8, 2006, at 6:00 AM, Roy Kamiki wrote:

 

> After reading Patricia's and Noel's further exchange of opinions, I

> can't

> avoid but to see that truth lies on both. I can sympathise

> completely with

> all the bitter experience Patricia had with MD, and I myself have also

> witnessed many atrocities committed by them. Those who understand the

> intrinsic deviation of the truth regarding MD should definitely

> speak out,

> and try to convince all those who would like to hear the truth. I also

> admire Noel's pragmatic approach, because, if we truly wish to help

> others,

> we must accept flexibility in order to reach their hands.

 

i do not see doctors as evil, but i do see them as

people who have had to distance themselves from their feeling nature,

in order to survive in the system they have chosen to belong to.

i see medicine as a belief system.

i see blindness in belief systems.

believing is something people do when they don't know.

doctors 'practice' medicine.

 

medicine can be thought of as a religion of sorts.

doctors/priests, nurses/nuns, medicines/sacraments, surgery/ritual.

medicine is far from nature and far from health/life.

medicine wants to take us to health, but if it doesn't trust nature,

which is health/life, how can it work?

 

when we are sick WE are out of synch (out of balance, as noel says)

with nature.

when a SYSTEM is out of synch with nature (out of balance),

it cannot help us get in synch (in balance).

medicine can't help but ultimately fail.

to be so far from natural is not good for doctors or for

their patients. abusive systems abuse the adherents:

doctors and patients alike.

 

> Speaking of Ayurveda as one of the ancient limbs of Vedas, and as

> such, it

> was practised by a very special civilisation. Although the

> knowledge may be

> unadulterated, it sometimes seems so difficult to apply in the

> modern ages

> (kali yuga). People have low standards, flinching concentration and

> less

> intelligence. Our life style and conditions are unfavourable and, I

> suppose,

> in drastic situations, drastic measures may be the only situation.

> This does

> not take away the truth, but makes the truth difficult to apply.

> This is why

> I also support Noel's point of view.

 

i would love to see our world have a return to the simple

life they must have had when ayuraveda was practiced.

some simple time when complexity was not even an option.

>

> However, as Das Goravani quoted: "The basic paradigm of Jyotish is

> that we

> are children of God and we are being lovingly and carefully carried

> through

> a very large set of lessons which takes a number of life times to

> accomplish." Most of the effective lessons are bitter and painful, and

> Yasmin is probably going through the most agonising phase of her

> life. I

> pray to God that attains some realisation and understanding during

> this

> course. That is, in the proper understanding, she should do all

> that she can

> with her strength to create good in her life. This way, the

> problems become

> lessons in her life. Isn't it so that, if we deny such lesson, then

> Divinity's next lesson is to teach us the negative effects of

> denying or

> giving up?

 

i wish yasmin and everyone the best.

it is so helpful to remember our past lives so we can release the

ideas we have been carrying that run our lives, lifetime after lifetime.

>

> I am convinced that the highest attainment is God-realisation, and

> although

> Yasmin is very focused and concentrated in her condition, once in a

> while, I

> try to convey the importance of understanding events in life as

> lessons.

> Some scoff at my attempt to help people who are still deeply

> evolved in

> materialistic life, but I try to carry on. I see Patricia's attempt to

> convince others of how farce MD system is as a good contribution.

> She may

> fail to convince many people, as her message is very difficult to

> digest for

> the general majority, therefore I feel her endeavours are noble.

 

thank you, roy, for recognizing my heart.

the message of my heart is the same as yours.

god is the solution. realization of god is everything.

illness is a distraction from god.

that is why it is such a good thing to take VERY good care of our

bodies.

when the body is peaceful, it is easier to 'be still and know god.'

best wishes to all!

love, patricia

 

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