Digest Number 2077

[Guest guest]

Dear Nicholas,

 

I agree with you on your conclusions even if our paths

differ.

 

You make an interesting case for the planets

disposited by Mercury, including Mercury's dispositor

Moon and the planet that is in Mercury's sign Sun.

This inclusion of the Sun into the Mercury mix is less

common practice. I think JN Bhasin used this approach

quite a bit, ie. to understand a planet's effects,

include the planets that are in the planets signs.

This is very different from assessing a planet's

dispositor. The Bush chart is a bit confusing on this

point because Mercury and the Moon exchange signs or

have a parivartana yoga.

 

I would think we can pin much of Bush's current

problems simply on Saturn's imminent station on his

Mercury-Pluto conjunction near the ascendant.

Saturn will then go back over his ascendant and

finally pass over Mercury in spring 2006. This

promises to be an extremely stressful time. I think a

stock market drop is very likely then too (perhaps it

will be the source of most of the stress).

 

Once Mercury dasha begins in 2006, then the Pluto will

make his life that much more difficult, Sun and 3/12

lordships aside. I strongly doubt he will finish his

term.

 

regards,

Chris

 

--- valist wrote:

 

 

> Message: 5

> Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:34:17 +0800

> "Nicholas" <jyotish108

> Eclipse / US outlook

>

> Dear List members

>

> One thing that is intersting about this eclipse is

> that it occurs near

> President George W Bush's natal Moon Jupiter ( This

> is the combination of

> Lagna Lod and sixth Lord which has made GWB

> something of a war president ).

> A hsitorical note is that President Roosevelt had

> both the 1st and 10th

> Lords in the sixth house) . Although the subject of

> the US birth chart is

> controversial the chart of the leader of a nation

> can be used as a proxy

> indicator for the outlook for the nation. I haven't

> really done enough

> research on eclipses to warrant any kind of

> prediction but generally being a

> solar eclipse we will look out for what occurs over

> the next year.

>

> George W Bush is now in the last year of his Saturn

> mahadasha . The end of a

> dasha is usually a hard time for the native and we

> have seen the President

> have to deal with two major disasters Hurricanes

> Katrina and Rita plus the

> ongoing war in Iraq.

>

> The question is what will happen when GWB enters

> Mercury Mahadasha in May

> next year. For a Cancer Lagna Mercury rules the 3rd

> and 12th houses . The

> third house disposits the Moon Jupiter combination

> mentioned earlier so it

> does not look like there will be any let up in the

> war against terror.

>

>

> The third house is not considered a house of

> prosperity because it is the

> second

> ( maraka ) house from the second house of wealth,

> seventh house (maraka )

> from the ninth House of fortune and twelth house (

> of

> loss ) from the fourth house of assets.Note that

> during the great

> depression Herbert

> Hoover was running the Mahadasha of third Lord Moon

> in third house but only

> two minutes away

> from the 12th Lord of losses Mars.

>

>

> Then the twelth house is the house

> of losses and disposits Sun . Sun is the second Lord

> of wealth in the house

> of losses.So there are multiple indications that

> economic conditions will

> deteriorate sharply in the last years of President

> Bush's term.

>

> By comparison

> President Clinton ran the mahadasha of 4th and 7th

> Lord placed in the second

> during his term and thus the economy performed

> strongly during his term.

>

> Mercury Mercury is followed by Mercury Ketu for

> President Bush. Ketu is a

> malefic planet placed in the fifth house which is

> the eighth house from the

> tenth house of career indicating the end of his

> career as mandated by law he

> must relinquish his position after two terms.

>

> Best Wishes

> Nicholas

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chris

 

Thanks for the feedback

 

 

 

> Dear Nicholas,

>

> I agree with you on your conclusions even if our paths

> differ.

 

That's fine.Am I correct in thinking you are working more on the basis of

transit and me more on dasha?

 

If someone has a US chart they are convinced of then they can predict on

that. Otherwise I am trying to predict the outlook for the US on

GWB's chart which is well accepted.

>

> You make an interesting case for the planets

> disposited by Mercury, including Mercury's dispositor

> Moon and the planet that is in Mercury's sign Sun.

> This inclusion of the Sun into the Mercury mix is less

> common practice.

 

I don't think so . Mercury rules Gemini and so to see the results in a

Mercury period we have to examine the sign Gemini.

SA is the only system I am aware of that doesn't consider the non MT sign of

a planet. Are you using SA?

 

 

I think JN Bhasin used this approach

> quite a bit, ie. to understand a planet's effects,

> include the planets that are in the planets signs.

> This is very different from assessing a planet's

> dispositor.

 

I am a big fan of JNB. I regret that he didn't formalise his ideas into a

system .

I think what you are referring to is JNB's quirky idea that because Mercury

disposits the Sun that it will act like the Sun at least to some extent.

This idea I have meditated on . In say for example GWB' s chart when

Mercury rules a dasha, sub dasha , sub sub dasha , or sub sub sub sub sub

sub dasha

then the Sun effects get activated. So Mercury and Sun get activated in

tandem. So the idea is that Mercury will take on Sun's qualities.

Supposing a landlord runs posh apartments he will dress in suit and tie and

if he runs a aqualid housing estate he might wear singlet and pants covered

in paint.

So the idea has theoretical merit but has to be tested by going to one's

charts and churning through them.

 

 

The Bush chart is a bit confusing on this

> point because Mercury and the Moon exchange signs or

> have a parivartana yoga.

 

Another strong factor in the chart but hard maybe to assess in terms of

JNB's quirky idea

>

> I would think we can pin much of Bush's current

> problems simply on Saturn's imminent station on his

> Mercury-Pluto conjunction near the ascendant.

> Saturn will then go back over his ascendant and

> finally pass over Mercury in spring 2006. This

> promises to be an extremely stressful time. I think a

> stock market drop is very likely then too (perhaps it

> will be the source of most of the stress).

 

Yes Saturn is providing the stress at the moment and it is Mahadasha Lord.

The trouble with GWB's chart is that the planet of career Mars is in the

second house of wealth and family surrounded by four benefics. So he

achieved power through wealth and family rather than ability. In turn he has

promoted people according to connection rather than ability

so that now he is proposing as a Supreme Court Judge who hasn't even served

as a lower court judge. If Clinton sent out the wrong meassages about

fidelity Bush is sending out messages that life is not about ability and

application but about connection and loyalty.He got found out in New Orleans

when the head of the FEMA was found to have a background in horse shows.

>

> Once Mercury dasha begins in 2006,

 

Saturn is more malefic for Cancer's than Mercury so he may have less

stresses at some levels. Mercury however is not good for prosperity and I

see hard economic times in 2007 and 2008.

 

 

 

then the Pluto will

> make his life that much more difficult, Sun and 3/12

> lordships aside. I strongly doubt he will finish his

> term.

 

I don't see him leaving office before his term expires. There are no

separative influences on the 10th Lord which on the contrary is surrounded

by four benefics and only a Saturn aspect on the 10th house.Cancers in

general are very difficult to overcome because in disputes ( sixth house )

Jupiter the best natural benefic and it's Lordship of the 9th house are

activated.

 

Jai Gurudeva

Nicholas