Digest Number 2079

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2 Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:19:05 +0800"Nicholas" Re: Digest

Number 2077Dear ChrisThanks for the feedback> Dear Nicholas,>> I agree with you

on your conclusions even if our paths> differ.That's fine.Am I correct in

thinking you are working more on the basis oftransit and me more on dasha?

 

***Yes, if given a choice of those two elements.If someone has a US chart they

are convinced of then they can predict onthat. Otherwise I am trying to predict

the outlook for the US onGWB's chart which is well accepted.>> You make an

interesting case for the planets> disposited by Mercury, including Mercury's

dispositor> Moon and the planet that is in Mercury's sign Sun.> This inclusion

of the Sun into the Mercury mix is less> common practice.I don't think so .

Mercury rules Gemini and so to see the results in aMercury period we have to

examine the sign Gemini.SA is the only system I am aware of that doesn't

consider the non MT sign ofa planet. Are you using SA?

 

*** Not really. I think JN Bhasin used this approach> quite a bit, ie. to

understand a planet's effects,> include the planets that are in the planets

signs.> This is very different from assessing a planet's> dispositor.I am a big

fan of JNB. I regret that he didn't formalise his ideas into asystem .I think

what you are referring to is JNB's quirky idea that because Mercurydisposits

the Sun that it will act like the Sun at least to some extent.

 

***Right, that's Bhasin's idea (or rather, I came across it first in his books).

I don't think it's otherwise that common, at least explicitly.

This idea I have meditated on . In say for example GWB' s chart whenMercury

rules a dasha, sub dasha , sub sub dasha , or sub sub sub sub subsub dashathen

the Sun effects get activated. So Mercury and Sun get activated intandem. So

the idea is that Mercury will take on Sun's qualities.Supposing a landlord runs

posh apartments he will dress in suit and tie andif he runs a aqualid housing

estate he might wear singlet and pants coveredin paint.So the idea has

theoretical merit but has to be tested by going to one'scharts and churning

through them.

 

**Right, it seems plausible enough but I also haven't become committed to it. It

may also take on more significance, if there are no or few or weak contacts with

the ruling planet, Mercury in this instance.The Bush chart is a bit confusing on

this> point because Mercury and the Moon exchange signs or> have a parivartana

yoga.Another strong factor in the chart but hard maybe to assess in terms

ofJNB's quirky idea>> I would think we can pin much of Bush's current> problems

simply on Saturn's imminent station on his> Mercury-Pluto conjunction near the

ascendant.> Saturn will then go back over his ascendant and> finally pass over

Mercury in spring 2006. This> promises to be an extremely stressful time. I

think a> stock market drop is very likely then too (perhaps it> will be the

source of most of the stress).Yes Saturn is providing the stress at the moment

and it is Mahadasha

Lord.The trouble with GWB's chart is that the planet of career Mars is in

thesecond house of wealth and family surrounded by four benefics. So heachieved

power through wealth and family rather than ability. In turn he haspromoted

people according to connection rather than abilityso that now he is proposing

as a Supreme Court Judge who hasn't even servedas a lower court judge. If

Clinton sent out the wrong meassages aboutfidelity Bush is sending out messages

that life is not about ability andapplication but about connection and

loyalty.He got found out in New Orleanswhen the head of the FEMA was found to

have a background in horse shows.

 

***And yet that Mars is disposited by Sun in the 12th, more important given the

absence of any aspects. Go figure. Also Mars is not the only source of career

indications. 10th from Moon is Gemini which is occupied by Sun. Not bad. Sun

is one of karakas for career (or at least the status side of it) and it is

disposited by Mercury which is placed in the 2nd house from it (of status!) and

it is tightly conjunct Pluto. I know you don't use outers, but this is a very

powerful connection.

>> Once Mercury dasha begins in 2006,Saturn is more malefic for Cancer's than

Mercury so he may have lessstresses at some levels. Mercury however is not good

for prosperity and Isee hard economic times in 2007 and 2008.

***The hard times will likely begin sooner, in early 2006. Some say they've

already started! then the Pluto will> make his life that much more difficult,

Sun and 3/12> lordships aside. I strongly doubt he will finish his> term.I

don't see him leaving office before his term expires. There are noseparative

influences on the 10th Lord which on the contrary is surroundedby four benefics

and only a Saturn aspect on the 10th house.Cancers ingeneral are very difficult

to overcome because in disputes ( sixth house )Jupiter the best natural benefic

and it's Lordship of the 9th house areactivated.

 

*** I guess we'll see how it all shakes out. And that means one of us will be

wrong then. Gee, I wonder if that will force any change in our thinking? Nah,

why bother. Astrology more fun without the tedium of science. (sorry I'm just

in a lamenting mood for the slow accretion of workable rules in this fantasy

world of astrology that we are prisoners in.)

 

cheers,

Chris

 

 

Jai GurudevaNicholas

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Hi Chris

 

Great to be able to talk to you again. I feel a kind of kindredship with you as

we are both refugees from various lists

 

 

***Right, that's Bhasin's idea (or rather, I came across it first in his books).

I don't think it's otherwise that common, at least explicitly.

 

Only place I've seen it is in JNBs books. He also refers to it as a secret or

little known rule.

**Right, it seems plausible enough but I also haven't become committed to it. It

may also take on more significance, if there are no or few or weak contacts with

the ruling planet, Mercury in this instance.

 

OK***And yet that Mars is disposited by Sun in the 12th, more important given

the absence of any aspects.

It is said that the last word is given to the Lord of the house. He will

probably emerge from his two terms as a somewhat disappointing president.

***Go figure. Also Mars is not the only source of career indications. 10th

from Moon is Gemini which is occupied by Sun. Not bad. Sun is one of karakas

for career (or at least the status side of it) and it is disposited by Mercury

which is placed in the 2nd house from it (of status!) and it is tightly

conjunct Pluto. I know you don't use outers, but this is a very powerful

connection.

Right chandra Lagna ia good for career. Navamsa is also extraordinary for

career.There are such extraordinary combinations for career we can see how

jyotish works. However the other 100 Americans born in the same ten minute time

frame may not get to be President.

***The hard times will likely begin sooner, in early 2006. Some say they've

already started!

Yes last year of Saturn Mahadasha is going to be very hard. But once Mercury

Mahadasha starts I expect the wars and catastrophes will reduce. Only the

economy will weaken.

 

 

*** I guess we'll see how it all shakes out. And that means one of us will be

wrong then. Gee, I wonder if that will force any change in our thinking? Nah,

why bother. Astrology more fun without the tedium of science. (sorry I'm just

in a lamenting mood for the slow accretion of workable rules in this fantasy

world of astrology that we are prisoners in.)

Well we could both be right because it looks to me like his end may be not

peaceful. With Mars Sun and Ketu influencing the Lagna and 8th Lord , Mars

aspecting the 8th and the Lagna Lord so closely conjunct the 6th Lord of injury

I hope we don't have another tragedy.

 

Jai Gurudeva

Nicholas