Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Are you cool? You may live longer? See last 2 paragraphs for proof! Study: Neanderthals lived alongside modern man LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Did Neanderthals and the first ancestors of modern man ever meet? The argument has raged among archaeologists and paleontologists for decades. Now a group of scientists claim to have proof -- based on radiocarbon dating of artifact finds in France -- that the two distinct groups did indeed share the same space at the same time some 38,000 years ago. "These data strongly support the chronological coexistence -- and therefore potential demographic and cultural interactions -- between the last Neanderthal and the earliest anatomically and behaviorally modern human populations in western Europe," they wrote in the latest edition of the science journal Nature. Some scientists have argued that Neanderthals and the first ancestors of modern man existed at the same time -- at least for a while -- but in different places, while others have argued that Neanderthals died out before modern man came along. Others still have suggested that they not only met but may even have interbred. The arguments have ebbed and flowed for generations -- fueled from time to time by new artifact finds, mainly from Kenya's Rift Valley. But the team of scientists writing in Thursday's edition of Nature believe they may have settled the dispute with analysis of tools discovered at different depths in the cave of the Grotte des Fees at Chatelperron in central France. In the cave a layer of tools from the later so-called Aurignacian culture -- named after Aurignac near Spain where they were first discovered -- were found sandwiched between two layers of tools attributed to earlier Neanderthals. Aurignacian tools are more sophisticated and deemed to have been made by the first modern humans. The scientists, led by Paul Mellars from Cambridge University, said the layers suggested that not only had the two groups been around at the same time but that they must have shared the same space -- at least for a while. Radiocarbon dating of some of the bone fragments from the different layers confirmed the observational conclusions. The scientists suggested that encroaching cold may have made the Aurignacians move towards the warmer coast from central Europe and at the same time encouraged the Neanderthals to move even further south where it would have been even warmer. When the weather warmed again in later generations the population flow was reversed -- suggesting that the ancestors of modern man may have been better equipped to deal with colder climates than the last groups of Neanderthals, they said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Hello everyone, Personally, I don't see any proof in the *suggestions* made by scientists. Scientists theorize & suggest every day, but that doesn't make their theories or suggestions true. I do believe that evolution is valid. While thinking of the statement "Cool people are better" in astrological & geographic terms, I might begin my arguement by giving a person(#1) the cool, lunar-influence chart of Cancer rising...let's give that person an exalted chart ruler & place their Moon in Taurus in his 11th house. I'll go ahead & place all of his birth planets in the cool, watery houses of the 1st Cancer, 5th Scorpio, & 9th Pisces. This person would seem a pretty good chart for survival. I'll give person(#2) the warm, fiery ascendant of the Sun ruled Leo & I will place his chart ruler, the Sun in it's sign of exaltation in the 9th of Aries & I'll place all of his planets in the warm, fire signs of the 1st Leo, 5th Sagittarius, & the 9th Aries. Person #2 would seem to have a pretty good chart for survival. However, it is my understand that the 9th house chart ruler(Aries*Trikona) would defeat the 11th house chart ruler(Taurua*Upachaya). Relocating a person with a Moon-ruled ascendant to a cool place would seem to benefit that person while relocating that person to a warmer climate would appear have an adverse affect. Similiarly, relocating a person with a Sun-ruled ascendant to a cool place would appear to have an adverse affect on the person while relocating that person to a warm climate would appear to be beneficial to that person. Each would appear to me, to do best in their own element. If push came to shove...wouldn't the warmer Leo-rising person with the 9th house chart ruler win over the cooler Cancer-rising person with an 11th house chart ruler? I believe that nature & life forces seek balance in all things & will take drastic measures if needed to achieve or ensure that balance. Can anything exist on the face of the earth without it's opposite?? Even the tree of life has a shadow...or it doesn't exist. As always, just a few of my thoughts. Robin... valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: > > Are you cool? You may live longer? > See last 2 paragraphs for proof! > > > Study: Neanderthals lived alongside modern man > > LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Did Neanderthals and the first ancestors of > modern man ever meet? The argument has raged among archaeologists and > paleontologists for decades. > > Now a group of scientists claim to have proof -- based on radiocarbon dating > of artifact finds in France -- that the two distinct groups did indeed share > the same space at the same time some 38,000 years ago. > > "These data strongly support the chronological coexistence -- and therefore > potential demographic and cultural interactions -- between the last > Neanderthal and the earliest anatomically and behaviorally modern human > populations in western Europe," they wrote in the latest edition of the > science journal Nature. > > Some scientists have argued that Neanderthals and the first ancestors of > modern man existed at the same time -- at least for a while -- but in > different places, while others have argued that Neanderthals died out before > modern man came along. > > Others still have suggested that they not only met but may even have > interbred. > > The arguments have ebbed and flowed for generations -- fueled from time to > time by new artifact finds, mainly from Kenya's Rift Valley. > > But the team of scientists writing in Thursday's edition of Nature believe > they may have settled the dispute with analysis of tools discovered at > different depths in the cave of the Grotte des Fees at Chatelperron in > central France. > > In the cave a layer of tools from the later so-called Aurignacian culture -- > named after Aurignac near Spain where they were first discovered -- were > found sandwiched between two layers of tools attributed to earlier > Neanderthals. > > Aurignacian tools are more sophisticated and deemed to have been made by the > first modern humans. > > The scientists, led by Paul Mellars from Cambridge University, said the > layers suggested that not only had the two groups been around at the same > time but that they must have shared the same space -- at least for a while. > > Radiocarbon dating of some of the bone fragments from the different layers > confirmed the observational conclusions. > > The scientists suggested that encroaching cold may have made the > Aurignacians move towards the warmer coast from central Europe and at the > same time encouraged the Neanderthals to move even further south where it > would have been even warmer. > > When the weather warmed again in later generations the population flow was > reversed -- suggesting that the ancestors of modern man may have been better > equipped to deal with colder climates than the last groups of Neanderthals, > they said. 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