Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Juliana Swanson wrote: Hi Steve and all, Evidently, more than 40 passages in Viswanathan's book contain identical language and common scene/language structures from Megan McCafferty's first two books. This seems to be a bit more extreme than simply a slight subconscious internalization of her favorite author's (McCafferty's) ideas. Hi Juliana, Yes, it does seem a bit too much for 'unconscious' plagiarism--unless she has some sort of selective photographic memory. I hadn't read these examples you are citing. In a few cases of plagiarism for individuals with accurate birth data, I have not seen the Pluto-Mercury contact you mentioned for George Harrison, Steve, but more Neptune-Mercury contacts; 2nd lord and/or Mercury placements in the 8th or 12th house; and malefics in the 2nd house: 1) Author Stephen King was accused of plagiarism. He has Mercury conjunct Neptune in the 3rd house of publishing. 2) Author Mike Barnicle was accused of plagiarism. He has Mercury conjunct Neptune in the 12th house and the 2nd lord of writing in the 8th house. 3) The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. has been accused of plagiarism. He has Mercury and Neptune conjunct in their Navamsas and Rahu conjunct Mars in the 2nd house of the Rasi chart. 4) Author Kitty Kelly has been accused of plagiarism. She has Neptune in the 2nd house in full aspect with 2nd lord Mercury in the 8th. I think you are right on this--I've just checked some other examples that often show the Mercury/Neptune contact. I haven't looked at the 2nd lord or Mercury's placement in the 8th and 12th houses, but I'm sure there is more to this than just simple planetary contact. I include all non-Vedic aspects when looking at the Mercury/Pluto (and all other planetary relationships as well). These include the sextile, semisquare, sesquisquare, quincunx etc. In the above, Stephen King also has a close Merc/Pluto sextile, Kitty Kellly a Mercury/Pluto trine, and Michael Barnicle a Merc/Pluto trine in navamsa (Fagan ayanamsa). It might be interesting to look at the difference between persons who are convicted of plagiarism as opposed to simply being accused and conscious versus unconscious plagiarism. Perhaps Neptune and Pluto both play a role. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Pluto-Mercury contact you mentioned for George Harrison, Steve, but more Neptune-Mercury contacts; 2nd lord and/or Mercury placements in the 8th or 12th house; and malefics in the 2nd house:1) Author Stephen King was accused of plagiarism. He has Mercury conjunct Neptune in the 3rd house of publishing.2) Author Mike Barnicle was accused of plagiarism. He has Mercury conjunct Neptune in the 12th house and the 2nd lord of writing in the 8th house.3) The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. has been accused of plagiarism. He has Mercury and Neptune conjunct in their Navamsas and Rahu conjunct Mars in the 2nd house of the Rasi chart.4) Author Kitty Kelly has been accused of plagiarism. She has Neptune in the 2nd house in full aspect with 2nd lord Mercury in the 8th. I think you are right on this--I've just checked some other examples that often show the Mercury/Neptune contact. I haven't looked at the 2nd lord or Mercury's placement in the 8th and 12th houses, but I'm sure there is more to this than just simple planetary contact. I include all non-Vedic aspects when looking at the Mercury/Pluto (and all other planetary relationships as well). These include the sextile, semisquare, sesquisquare, quincunx etc. In the above, Stephen King also has a close Merc/Pluto sextile, Kitty Kellly a Mercury/Pluto trine, and Michael Barnicle a Merc/Pluto trine in navamsa (Fagan ayanamsa). It might be interesting to look at the difference between persons who are convicted of plagiarism as opposed to simply being accused and conscious versus unconscious plagiarism. Perhaps Neptune and Pluto both play a role. Best, Steve Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Christopher Kevill wrote: Hi Steve, For another famous case of plagarism, check out historian Doris Kearns Goodwin. She is a very prominent American historian who got into trouble a few years ago with her book on the Kennedy family. Apparently, she lifted several thousand words from another author's work without proper citation. She has her share of backers though, so it's less cut and dried than this current case. There's no birth time here on the wikipedia entry, but perhaps her birthday may yield a clue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin Chris Hi Chris, Thanks!--a very interesting case. She is born Jan 1, 1943 in Brooklyn, NY. She has a highly aspected Mercury that includes the combinations under current discussion (a Merc/Pluto opposition and a Merc/Neptune trine). Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 On Apr 30, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Steven Stuckey wrote: > Perhaps Neptune and Pluto both play a role. i would think nep-merc could give someone the ability to 'stretch the truth.' also would also give authors a great imagination and an ability to hear the muse. good for songwriters. good for poets. good for liars. pluto? bush has mercury-pluto conjunction within one degree of orb. sextile neptune. on the ascendant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Patricia Robinett wrote: >pluto? bush has mercury-pluto conjunction within one degree of orb. >sextile neptune. on the ascendant. > > > > >Yes, one wonders why Papa Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove haven't brought Bush up on charges of lifting their entire body of knowledge- verbatim? :>)) > Best, Steve > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Well hell's bells. Thought I'd crawl out from under my rock and share that I have Pluto conjunct the ascendant trine a Mercury/Mars conjunction and both Pluto and Merc/Mars are sextile Neptune. Everyone protect your valuables! One thing I'll say in favor of this argument though, I have the unsavory ability to copy just about anything. Give me a blank page and tell me to draw a horse, and I'll draw a stick figured cow. Show me a picture of a horse and I can copy it almost identically. I can also copy just about anyone's signature. Hmm, I see a pattern forming... ;-(((((( Oh! AND I'm a lawyer too!! Does that count??? --- Patricia Robinett <patricia wrote: > On Apr 30, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Steven Stuckey wrote: > > Perhaps Neptune and Pluto both play a role. > > > i would think nep-merc > could give someone the ability to 'stretch the > truth.' > also would also give authors a great imagination > and an ability to hear the muse. good for > songwriters. > good for poets. good for liars. > > pluto? bush has mercury-pluto conjunction within > one degree of orb. > sextile neptune. on the ascendant. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 hahahaha. "hells bells" sounds just like merc-mars=nep/pluto. attorney? i'll bet you're GOOD, mary. i'm sure you wield your power with MYSTERY. tell us about it. what kind of law do you practice? love, patricia On May 1, 2006, at 8:19 PM, Mary Quinn wrote: > Well hell's bells. Thought I'd crawl out from under my > rock and share that I have Pluto conjunct the > ascendant trine a Mercury/Mars conjunction and both > Pluto and Merc/Mars are sextile Neptune. > > Everyone protect your valuables! > > One thing I'll say in favor of this argument though, I > have the unsavory ability to copy just about anything. > Give me a blank page and tell me to draw a horse, and > I'll draw a stick figured cow. Show me a picture of a > horse and I can copy it almost identically. I can also > copy just about anyone's signature. Hmm, I see a > pattern forming... > > ;-(((((( > > Oh! AND I'm a lawyer too!! Does that count??? > > --- Patricia Robinett <patricia wrote: > >> On Apr 30, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Steven Stuckey wrote: >>> Perhaps Neptune and Pluto both play a role. >> >> >> i would think nep-merc >> could give someone the ability to 'stretch the >> truth.' >> also would also give authors a great imagination >> and an ability to hear the muse. good for >> songwriters. >> good for poets. good for liars. >> >> pluto? bush has mercury-pluto conjunction within >> one degree of orb. >> sextile neptune. on the ascendant. >> > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Please support my my new effort to end genital mutilation ... "The Rape of Innocence : One Woman's Story of Female Genital Mutilation in the USA" http://www.AesculapiusPress.com Purchases and contributions are sincerely appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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