Clarifications that amaze (for Patricia and all)

[Guest guest]

Namaste, Patricia

 

Thank you for your comments. Your writings show a very strong Venus

influence.

 

As you have mentioned, it appears that most people are still asleep

and have not awakened to their true potential. Unfortunately, most

of us are still chasing the illusion of reality in this lifetime.

 

Our chart shows the positives and negatives of our personality.

Through analysis of the chart, we can find the ways to accentuate to

good things. This requires the analysis of the chart in a holistic

way in order to get the full dimensions of the chart.

 

It necessary to look at the chart from the various pada lagnas, in

particular the arudha and upapada lagnas. The various divisional

charts, such as the navamsha and the navamsha, should be analysed as

well.

 

I'm finding that the use of the Jaimini sutras reveal many more

information and options in addition to the Parasari method. As such,

one will find that jyotish is more flexible and adaptable to capture

the true essence of a personality.

 

By doing so, we can appreciate the uniqueness of others and our own

true selves.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

valist, Patricia Robinett <patricia wrote:

>

> On Mar 21, 2006, at 10:49 AM, John wrote:

>

> > We are the field of battle between good and

> > evil.

>

> beautiful, john. perhaps i would say between

> light and dark. evil is 'live' spelled backwards.

> so, i'm not sure evil or dark exists, whereas

> light and life do exist.

>

> but this, in essence, is the core (beyond the

> human neuroses and before the corruption)

> of all religions and the message of all masters.

>

> we are all playing the game of 'waking up'

> to the experience of our true nature.

> it is vital we stop dreaming -- this dream is

> turning into a nightmare for the whole world.

> we need to wake up into the beauty, safety,

> love and peace, joy of our basic nature.

> it was there when we were babies; it's still there.

> we just forgot. and krishnas come to remind us,

> to show us, to awaken us.

>

> the point to me, of the gita is that krishna showed

> arjuna his true nature, which is god -- and that is for

> us all to claim. we are prisoners of the past if we

> cling to historical sightings of god and his glory.

> it is not just for arjune, matthew, mark, luke, john,

> plato, etc... it is for us too. if we but want it.

>

> where is it now? it's inside of us.

> waiting for us to want it, claim it, know it.

> and it is as pure as light itself...

> no color, no creed, no labels, no superstitions.

> just pure, beautiful, glorious, self-effulgent light.

>

> the chart shows our contract while we are on

> planet earth. but we are not the goings-on.

> and we are not slave to it; we can live it in a

> better and better way, a higher and higher way.

>

> the sun and moon are still only manifestations of

> the energy that is life itself. they are no more

> real than any other illusion, any other bit of maya.

>

> we are the essence, the life, the center of the

> wheel. we are what is 'live', alive, not evil.

> we are the life force. to know life, is freedom.

> to not know it, is tragic. we get so lost in our

> imaginings.

>

> love, patricia

>

> Patricia Robinett

> patricia

>

> "All time not spent on love is wasted." - Torquato Tasso

>

[Guest guest]

thank you, john.

i am on the list to learn more about vedic astrology.

but it sounds very complicated.

and i love simplicity.

so i don't know if i will ever understand what you wrote.

but yes, you are right about venus.

i have to have beauty all around me, always.

venus is trine my ascendant and i have a taurus moon.

much astrological movement is occurring with me and

venus right now.

 

my navamsha is very strong.

my soft harmonics are all strong: 5, 7, 9, 11.

 

i would like to ask you and the group...

 

do you look at the navamsha as a chart in itself?

one person referred to her navamsha ascendant.

i didn't know that was possible.

i have only ever looked at planets relating by novile.

should i look at the navamsha as a chart in itself?

love, patricia

 

 

On Mar 22, 2006, at 11:10 AM, John wrote:

 

> Thank you for your comments. Your writings show a very strong Venus

> influence

 

Patricia Robinett

patricia

 

"All time not spent on love is wasted." - Torquato Tasso

[Guest guest]

Namaste, Patricia

 

My response to your question is shown below:

 

1.> i would like to ask you and the group...

>

> do you look at the navamsha as a chart in itself?

> one person referred to her navamsha ascendant.

> i didn't know that was possible.

> i have only ever looked at planets relating by novile.

> should i look at the navamsha as a chart in itself?

 

It is general practice in jyotish to confirm the indications from the

rashi chart to the navamsha chart. It is not advisable to rely on the

navamsha chart alone without correlating the indications with the other

varga charts.

 

For example, if you want to analyze the indications for marriage and

relationships, a prudent jyotishi should refer to the navamsha chart,

which is mainly considered to be the indicator for marriage.

 

However, in applying the Jaimini Sutras, a jyotishi should also analyze

the upapada lagna and darapada to ascertain the conditions for marriage

and relationships.

 

There are other techniques for using the navamsha chart in other facets

of life. But that will be for another day.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

[Guest guest]

On Mar 23, 2006, at 10:08 AM, John wrote:

 

> It is general practice in jyotish to confirm the indications from the

> rashi chart to the navamsha chart. It is not advisable to rely on the

> navamsha chart alone without correlating the indications with the

> other

> varga charts.

 

hi, john.

thanks for this response.

so the navamsha chart is merely to be considered

a confirmation of what is in the natal chart?

that is wise, i believe.

 

>

> For example, if you want to analyze the indications for marriage and

> relationships, a prudent jyotishi should refer to the navamsha chart,

> which is mainly considered to be the indicator for marriage.

 

i consider it to be far more than about marriage.

i use it to help people understand their potential for joy in their

lives.

there are many ways to experience joy, other than marriage.

and yet, i think it is imperative that joy be an integral

part of the union of any two people who are intending to

raise a family. what a blessing it would be to the world if

everyone was matched to enhance their individual happiness

and to achieve joint happiness.

>

> However, in applying the Jaimini Sutras, a jyotishi should also

> analyze

> the upapada lagna and darapada to ascertain the conditions for

> marriage

> and relationships.

 

respectfully, john -- and everyone else --

is there any way to say what you just said, using terms that i

can understand without learning a new language?

my usual expertise is to take what is complex and make it

simple for people... to take jargon and translate it into

everyday language.

many thanks.

 

Patricia Robinett

patricia

 

"All time not spent on love is wasted." - Torquato Tasso

[Guest guest]

Namaste, Patricia

 

My response to your comments are as follows:

 

1.> so the navamsha chart is merely to be considered

> a confirmation of what is in the natal chart?

> that is wise, i believe.

 

Yes. But the navamsha chart also qualifies the strength of the

planets indicated in the rashi chart. If a planet is debilitated in

the rashi, but is exalted in the navamsha, then the planet has good

potential to deliver good tidings.

 

2.> i consider it to be far more than about marriage.

> i use it to help people understand their potential for joy in

their

> lives.

> there are many ways to experience joy, other than marriage.

> and yet, i think it is imperative that joy be an integral

> part of the union of any two people who are intending to

> raise a family. what a blessing it would be to the world if

> everyone was matched to enhance their individual happiness

> and to achieve joint happiness.

 

I agree with you totally. Jyotish is a way to confirm one's feelings

for a potential spouse. In the long run, I believe no one can really

have a perfect match. Jyotish paves a way to a better selection of a

spouse. If there are weaknesses in the chart relating to marriage,

the person can try to improve on the situation as much as he or she

can. Jyotish can identify areas for growth and learning.

 

3. >> However, in applying the Jaimini Sutras, a jyotishi should

also

> > analyze

> > the upapada lagna and darapada to ascertain the conditions for

> > marriage

> > and relationships.

>

> respectfully, john -- and everyone else --

> is there any way to say what you just said, using terms that i

> can understand without learning a new language?

> my usual expertise is to take what is complex and make it

> simple for people... to take jargon and translate it into

> everyday language.

 

The pada lagnas are derivatives of the houses in the rashi chart.

They can be compared to a mirror image of the various houses. For

example, the upapada lagna is a derivative of the 12th house. It is

computed by counting the number of houses that the lord of the 12th

house is away from the 12th house. Then, you count from the location

of the 12th house lord the same number of houses that you had

obtained. Thus, if the 12th house is Gemini and Mercury is located

in the 1st house of the Cancer. Then, the upapada lagna is Leo.

 

Similarly, one computes the arudha lagna which refers to the mirror

image of the 1st house. Further, the darapada is the mirror image of

the 7th house.

 

Most jyotishis, with the same tradition as KN Rao, compute the pada

lagnas as shown above. However, Sanjay Rath, who comes from another

tradition, has opined some exceptions to the computations. For

simplicity sake, it is best to present the general principles as

shown above.

 

The Jaimini Sutras have stated various observations for interpreting

the meaning of these various pada lagnas. I suggest that you read

these sutras for a full understanding of of their significance to an

individual's life.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> many thanks.

>

> Patricia Robinett

> patricia

>

> "All time not spent on love is wasted." - Torquato Tasso

>

[Guest guest]

thanks, john.

i invented a tool many years ago called the AstroTemplate

that allowed the user to draw the chart with planets and

points in their exact degrees and then measure mirror

points like this. plus harmonics, such as the novile, etc.

 

and in vedic, it is the HOUSE that is the mirror house

using the RULER of the house as the object?

how accurate do you find this is? how helpful?

what exactly do you find it gives you?

is it a big consideration when you read a chart?

 

i'll play around with it, but i would like your input first.

 

how much of vedic can i count on

and how much of it is 'a nice idea'?

that's what i would like to know.

i completely trust the harmonics.

i see them in my own life and in my chart...

the noviles, septiles, quintiles, etc.

thanks to the astrotemplate, i've used them for many years.

i suspect i might have been an astrologer many eons ago.

and i totally trust midpoints, which i am not sure

vedic uses... perhaps this 'mirroring' is part of that?

 

i like to translate ancient 'truths' into modern language

so they're easy for me to use in my work

without being dependent on ancient texts....

and then there are the VERY specific descriptions and

predictions in texts... they are fascinating.

 

just trying to sort it all out.

many thanks.

love, patricia

 

On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:39 AM, John wrote:

 

> The pada lagnas are derivatives of the houses in the rashi chart.

> They can be compared to a mirror image of the various houses. For

> example, the upapada lagna is a derivative of the 12th house. It is

> computed by counting the number of houses that the lord of the 12th

> house is away from the 12th house. Then, you count from the location

> of the 12th house lord the same number of houses that you had

> obtained. Thus, if the 12th house is Gemini and Mercury is located

> in the 1st house of the Cancer. Then, the upapada lagna is Leo.

>

> Similarly, one computes the arudha lagna which refers to the mirror

> image of the 1st house. Further, the darapada is the mirror image of

> the 7th house.

>

> Most jyotishis, with the same tradition as KN Rao, compute the pada

> lagnas as shown above. However, Sanjay Rath, who comes from another

> tradition, has opined some exceptions to the computations. For

> simplicity sake, it is best to present the general principles as

> shown above.

>

> The Jaimini Sutras have stated various observations for interpreting

> the meaning of these various pada lagnas. I suggest that you read

> these sutras for a full understanding of of their significance to an

> individual's life.

 

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Namaste, Patricia

 

My response to your questions are as follows"

 

1.> and in vedic, it is the HOUSE that is the mirror house

> using the RULER of the house as the object?

 

Yes.

 

2.> how accurate do you find this is? how helpful?

> what exactly do you find it gives you?

> is it a big consideration when you read a chart?

 

I am using the vedic system of astrology because of the depth and

tradition that it has. This system has been used by Parasara and

Jaimini during their times, perhaps two thousand years ago or more.

I am following their system of computing the various pada lagnas.

 

Thes padas are helpful in analyzing the various houses involved, in

particular the first and seventh houses. These padas, with the help

of the observation by the rishis of the past, gives a fuller

dimension of the houses involved.

 

As a jyotishi, I am not constrained to the strict interpretation of

the houses when the padas are analyzed. The padas can show the

alternatives that a person can pursue. I believe life is painted in

different hues and shades of meanings.

 

I wrote an email about the US Natal chart a few days ago. That

should give you an idea of how the arudha lagna can be used.

 

3.> how much of vedic can i count on

> and how much of it is 'a nice idea'?

> that's what i would like to know.

 

The bottom line for me is the tradition behind jyotish, including the

use of the padas. It's not a matter of what my opinion is. I

believe you can adopt these jyotish principles too while using

western astrological techniques.

 

There are many astrologers who use both systems simultaneously. In

fact, the Krisnamurti Paddhati system is hybrid of western and vedic

systems. However, the KP system relies on the nakshatras very

heavily for the interpretation of charts, which is a radical

departure from Jaimini's method.

 

Regards,

 

John R.