Clarifications that amaze (for Shabnam and all)

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Namaste,Shabnam

 

You made a good observation by linking Rahu/Ketu into this story. It

is also possible to say that there is duality in all of us as shown

in our horoscopes. We are the field of battle between good and

evil.

 

Hence, the horoscope is divided into two: one half owned by the Sun

and the other by the Moon. Moreover, the signs, except for Cancer

and Leo, have an accompanying pair which repeats the message of

duality.

 

Further, the story of Jarsandha is relating an astrological

observation. It is commonly understood among jyotishis that a baby

born in gandanta, or at the cusp of water and fire signs, would die.

However, if the baby survives, the toddler would grow up to be strong

and resilient as depicted by the personality and constitution of

Jarasanda.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

valist, "Bioacoustics" <bioacoustics

wrote:

>

> Let me see if I have got some details right & please pardon any

mistakes.

>

> Madhu & Kaitav were the 2 original demons who had attacked Brahma

the

> creator, right at the onset of creation. Brahma entreated Vishnu to

help him

> escape the fury of the demons & they managed to fell 3 blows on

Vishnu

> before he beheaded them with his chakra.

> They immidiately begged for mercy & Vishnu granted them the

position of

> gaurds to his home in Vaikunth but because of the 3 blows, they had

to work

> out the karma by taking 3 rebirths on Earth.

>

> The first round was as the stepbrothers of the Gods, Hiranyaksh &

> Hiranyakashyap, 2 infamously terrible demons also beheaded by one

of the

> avtars of Vishnu, I cant remmember which, possibly Narasimha.

> The second round was as Ravan & Kumbhkaran, the Villains of

Ramayan, killed

> by Ram.

> The third round was as Shishupal & he was beheaded by Krishna. I

forget who

> shishupal`s companion was.

>

> Rahu & ketu`s story seems to run along a similar myth so its

possible that

> these nodes represent this recurrent theme in the Hindu Mythology.

>

> Pondering the astrological meanings of myths would be the most

interesting &

> facinating undertaking if someone or several of us, would kindly

share such

> information on this site.

>

> Hari Om !

> Shabnam

>

>

> ----

>

> John

> 03/20/06 20:29:19

> valist

> Re: Clarifications that amaze (for Ashutosh and all)

>

> Namaste, Ashutosh

>

> What a fantastic story! I'll have to read the Mahabharata which is

> stacked somewhere in my closet.

>

> As in all these vedic literatures, I suspect that there are

> astrological meanings to the symbolisms used. We need to ponder the

> possible meanings to this story in astrological terms. For example,

>

> 1. Can we see the nakshatras that represent Jay and Vijaya?

>

> 2. What are the astrological combinations that would represent the

> life of Jarasandha? Was he born on a sandhi rashi (that is, at the

> cusp in between a water and fire sign)?

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

>

>

>

>

> valist, "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear John,

> >

> > Let me add some bits to the story.

> >

> > Jay and Vijay were the dwarpaals or the gatekeepers of

> vaikunth, Vishnu's abode. Krishna, as the mythology goes, was an

> avatar of Vishnu, the preserver.

> >

> > Vijay was born as Shishupal, to Krishna's aunt. When

> Shishupal's extra limbs fell off when he was placed on Krishna's

lap,

> Shishupal's mother took a promise from Krishna to forgive

Shishupal's

> hundred follies.

> >

> > Shishupal was groomed and educated by Jarasandh, the king

> of Magadh, present state of Bihar in India. Jarasandh was an enemy

of

> Krishna because Krishna had killed his son-in-law Kamsa.

> >

> > So, in company of Jarasandh, Shishupal learnt nothing but

> hatred for Krishna. Krishna had also eloped with Rukmini, whose

> marriage had been fixed with Shishupal by her brother and

Shishupal's

> friend, Rukmi.

> >

> > So, he had one more reason to hate Krishna.

> >

> > When Draupadi's swayamvar was organised, and Arjun, in

> disguise of a Brahmin, had won her hand after passing a test of

> marksmanship, Shishupal and others protested. Krishna tried to

pacify

> them. All others retreated but Shishupal kept on heaping abuses on

> Krishna.

> >

> > Krishna listened patiently, to everyone's surprise, but as

> soon as Shisupal had uttered one hundred and one abuses, Krishna cut

> off his head with his Chakra.

> >

> >

> > There is a very interesting story about Jarasandh too.

> >

> > He was born dead and his body was in two equal parts, one

> left and one right half. His mother threw these parts in the woods.

A

> demoness named Jara saw these parts and, using her occult powers,

> joined them. Then she also infused life in this dead infant. She

then

> handed over the infant to its parents who named it Jarasandha after

> the demoness. 'Sandh' is derived from sanskrit 'sandhi' which means

> joint. So, Jarasandh means the one who was "joined by Jara".

> >

> > He grew up to be a mighty king and ruled over Magadha, the

> biggest and mightiest kingdom of ancient India. He was a staunch

> enemy of Krishna and Pandavas. Almost invincible, he was a foe who

> could have hindered victory of Pandavas over Kauravas.

> >

> > Krishna formulated a plan to eliminate Jarasandh. He knew

> that this king of Magadha was a able and proud wrestler. Krishna,

> Bheem (the mightiest man on earth and second Pandav brother) and

> Arjun (the third Pandav) went to Magadh disguised as Brahmins. There

> Bheem challenged Jarasandh to a wrestling duel.

> >

> > Jarasandh, though he had recognised all three, accepted

the

> challenge. Both mighty wrestlers were soon wrestling in the arena.

> Bheem, even though being more powerfull than Jarasandh, was not

> finding it easy to kill him. Jarasnadhs had mystical supernatural

> powers gifted to him by Jara, the demoness.

> >

> > Then, Krishna took a blade of grass in his fingers and

tore

> it into half longitudinaly, indicating to Bheem the way to kill

> Jarasandha. Bheem threw his enemy on the ground, and putting one

foot

> on Jarasandh's one leg and pulling the other with leg with hands

tore

> his body into two halves. He then threw left half to left and right

> half to right.

> >

> > But, Jara's magic was not to be so easily vanquished. The

> two halves joined again and Jarasandh was fighting with more vigour.

> Then Krishna again tore a blade of grass in two halves, but threw

the

> left half on right and right half on left. Bheem got the hint and

> again tore Jarasandh into two, and threw the halves on oppisite

> sides. When the two halves tried to join each other, they could not

> and Jarasandh was finally dead.

> >

> > The Mahabharat is full of such interesting stories. And it

> is only one of the many mythological epics popular in India.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > John

> > valist

> > Monday, 20 March, 2006 11:09

> > Re: Clarifications that amaze (for Das and all)

> >

> >

> > Namaste Wendy,

> >

> > We appreciate this story. Thanks.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> >

> >

> > valist, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Das & All,

> > >

> > > One could be excused for thinking they'd come across some "New

> Age"

> > > group? Certainly the sentiments expressed recently have little

> to do

> > > with Jyotish, but perhaps this is just a passing mood.

> > >

> > > I find it necessary to point out that those who say they don't

> > > believe in karma (as dispensed by the Grahas) or in the state

> after

> > > death, are certainly not in accord with the teachings of Vedic

> > > astrology.

> > >

> > > BPHS Ch.84:

> > > "26-27. The Grah, who is the cause of adverse effects to a

> person at

> > > any time, should be handled by worship and appeasing (of the

> > > benevolent ones), because Brahma has blessed the Grahas with

> the

> > boon

> > > "Do good to the persons, who worship you". And the development

> and

> > > progress and downfall of the people and the creation and

> destruction

> > > of the universe are all under the administration and authority

> of

> > the

> > > Grahas. Therefore they are most venerable."

> > >

> > > Ch. 44:

> > > "43-45. ASCENT AFTER DEATH:

> > > According to the following planets in the 12th, 7th, 6th, or

> the

> > 8th,

> > > the native will attain such worlds after death: Jupiter -

> heaven,

> > the

> > > Moon or Venus - the world of Manes, Mars/Sun -earth (i.e.

> rebirth),

> > > Mercury/Saturn - hell. Should the said houses be not occupied,

> the

> > > native will go to the world as indicated by stronger of the

> decanate

> > > lords related to the 6th and the 8th. The relative planet's

> > > exaltation etc. will denote the high, medium, and low status

the

> > > native will obtain in the said world."

> > >

> > > Those who disagree with the basic teachings of Jyotish have no

> > > business studying it. As Parashara states in Ch.3:

> > > "Only good will follow the teaching of this science to the

> students

> > > who are peacefully disposed, who honour the preceptors (and

> elders)

> > > who speak only truth and who are God-fearing. Woeful for ever

> > > doubtlessly will it be to impart knowledge of this science to

an

> > > unwilling student, to a heterodox, and to a crafty person."

> > >

> > > [PS: no need to send your arguments on to me - I'm simply

> conveying

> > > Parashara's teachings...]

> > >

> > > BTW a true Vedic astrologer has respect for all religions as

he

> > > understands totally the implications of planets influencing

9th

> > > house. For Das, BTW, the heavy influence of F/M Saturn on both

> 9th

> > > lord and 9th house is obvious in his writings. This is the way

> it is

> > > for Das and he's obviously okay with that (so he says). But I

do

> > > think he should be more respectful to those who do honour

> religion,

> > > religious teachers, gurus etc.. Intolerance is used as an

> argument

> > > (only) when accusing others who object to his

> > intolerance...bigotry,

> > > it seems, has many disguises!??

> > >

> > > In response to John and Patricia's post I offer the following

> story

> > > (in part and from memory) as narrated to me by ShantiMayi:

> > >

> > > "Krishna had two Valets, one was Jay, the other Vijay. Vijay,

a

> very

> > > high soul, very loving, very honest, was greatly loved by

> Krishna.

> > > When Vijay died he went to Brahma loka (as he'd been told he

> would)

> > > and, in his eagerness to see Brahma, he tripped and fell over

a

> > > little Ashwini Kumara who cursed him to a thousand more lives.

> > > Devastated, Vijay pleaded with Brahma to lift the curse.

> > > Unfortunately Brahma could not lift the curse completely

(karma

> is

> > > karma and must be fulfilled) so he told Vijay he would give

him

> a

> > > choice.

> > >

> > > 1) You can live 10 lives as a great saint; everyone will love

> you;

> > > you will give everyone back to themselves; speak only of God;

> your

> > > whole life will be cared for so sweetly; always the flowers

will

> > > come; always the nectar will come into the people you are

with.

> Your

> > > death will be a great honour. OR...

> > >

> > > 2) You can live 3 lives as a demon. No one will like you;

> you'll

> > live

> > > a miserable life, everyone will hate you, and you will die a

> violent

> > > death.

> > >

> > > Vijay said, "Lord, I'll take 3 lives as a demon - it's much

> quicker

> > > getting home." Immediately Vijay was placed into the womb of

> > > Krishna's cousin (I think, or maybe aunt?). As the story was

> told to

> > > me he (Sisupala) was born with three eyes and four arms.

Brahma

> told

> > > Sisupala's mother that as soon as the child was placed on the

> lap of

> > > the one who would kill him, one eye would recede, two arms

would

> > > recede, and the child would be normal. And, of course, as soon

> as he

> > > was placed on Krishna's lap, this is what happened.

> > >

> > > Sisupala's mother was shocked and said "Krishna, you're going

> to

> > kill

> > > my son!", Krishna replied that he would take a million insults

> from

> > > her son. He didn't however say that he would not kill

Sisupala.

> > >

> > > Sisupala grew up hating Krishna (always hurling insults at

> him).

> > Then

> > > one final day, after hurling more insults, Sisupala challenged

> > > Krishna to a duel...the time had come! As Krishna took aim

with

> his

> > > chakra he looked at Sisupala with all the love in his heart

> because

> > > he knew it was his beloved Vijay. Immediately the chakra

> struck, the

> > > golden form of Vijay knelt at Krishna's feet and

> whispered, "Thank

> > > you Krishna, one life finished, so much closer to home."

> > >

> > > To me, the crux of this story is that we don't (really) know

> another

> > > person. We may think we know by looking at their karma in this

> > > life...but what do we truly know about the people we're

looking

> at

> > > and (often) judging. It's a beautiful story!

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > ______________________________

> > > valist, Patricia Robinett <patricia@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > john, to me, the point of the story is that

> > > nothing but heaven exists.

> > > we are just entertaining ourselves with

> > > our ideas of 'hell.'

> > > heaven is inevitable.

> > > we might as well enjoy it here too.

> > >

> > > love, patricia

> > >

> > >

> > > On Mar 18, 2006, at 11:26 AM, John wrote:

> > >

> > > There's a story in the Shrimad Bhagavatam about a man who

hated

> > > Krishna so much with his whole being. At one gathering, the

man

> > > stood up to denounce Krishna who subsequently threw his

> sudarshan

> > > disc to cut the man's head off. After the man's death, his

> soul

> > went

> > > to heaven anyway.

> > >

> > > Moral of the story: in spite of his hatred, he constantly

> thought

> > of

> > > Krishna. Thus, he was saved.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

 

>

> Links

>

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On Mar 21, 2006, at 10:49 AM, John wrote:

 

> We are the field of battle between good and

> evil.

 

beautiful, john. perhaps i would say between

light and dark. evil is 'live' spelled backwards.

so, i'm not sure evil or dark exists, whereas

light and life do exist.

 

but this, in essence, is the core (beyond the

human neuroses and before the corruption)

of all religions and the message of all masters.

 

we are all playing the game of 'waking up'

to the experience of our true nature.

it is vital we stop dreaming -- this dream is

turning into a nightmare for the whole world.

we need to wake up into the beauty, safety,

love and peace, joy of our basic nature.

it was there when we were babies; it's still there.

we just forgot. and krishnas come to remind us,

to show us, to awaken us.

 

the point to me, of the gita is that krishna showed

arjuna his true nature, which is god -- and that is for

us all to claim. we are prisoners of the past if we

cling to historical sightings of god and his glory.

it is not just for arjune, matthew, mark, luke, john,

plato, etc... it is for us too. if we but want it.

 

where is it now? it's inside of us.

waiting for us to want it, claim it, know it.

and it is as pure as light itself...

no color, no creed, no labels, no superstitions.

just pure, beautiful, glorious, self-effulgent light.

 

the chart shows our contract while we are on

planet earth. but we are not the goings-on.

and we are not slave to it; we can live it in a

better and better way, a higher and higher way.

 

the sun and moon are still only manifestations of

the energy that is life itself. they are no more

real than any other illusion, any other bit of maya.

 

we are the essence, the life, the center of the

wheel. we are what is 'live', alive, not evil.

we are the life force. to know life, is freedom.

to not know it, is tragic. we get so lost in our

imaginings.

 

love, patricia

 

Patricia Robinett

patricia

 

"All time not spent on love is wasted." - Torquato Tasso