John Lennon 25 Years Later

December 11, 2005

5:17 PM 12/8/05 Thu

Today marks the 25th anniversary of the death of John Lennon, killed

at the hands of a crazed fan, Mark David Chapman. As I type this,

all manner of retrospectives and the like are airing on radio, TV

and the internet about the life and times of one of the most famous

people ever to walk the Earth.

As always, Lennon's life and Vedic chart proves a good case study

for those of us who wish to glean Jyotish's insights:

John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26

Pis 40.

Lennon was born with Pisces on the Asc, a Sign associated with

artistry, mysticism and, when other factors are involved, drugs. It

is well known that Lennon, along with the rest of the Beatles were

quite heavily into drugs, and of course, their musical contributions

speak for themselves. Note the strong influence of Ketu on the Lagna

(Ascendant), which, as one half of the serpent-being who tried to

steal the drink of immortality, represents all forms of intoxicants.

Looking a bit closely at Lennon's chart though, speaks strongly as

to his longevity; right off the bat we can see that his lifespan

would not be long.

I say that because Jupiter, Lennon's Asc Lord, is both Rx and in

tight conjunction with Saturn in the 2nd House. Saturn is not only

debilitated in Aries, but in DEEP debilitation at that; in the 2nd

House, this combination accounts for many of Lennon's gaffes,

particularly the "We're more famous than Jesus" remark. Very often,

people with strong 2nd House challenges tend to make remarks they

shouldn't utter within public earshot.

For any chart, the Asc Lord is the most important planet; its

condition and participation in planetary yogas with other planets

will very often tell the tale as to the overall life chances of the

native. In Lennon's case, with the Asc Lord so very weakened, we

would have to say that Lenno's health would be in question.

But with his Moon in the 11th House of Groups - in this case, The

Beatles - we can see where his fame came from. The Moon forms a Gaja

Kersari Yoga, and from the Moon we see that Saturn, which is Lagnesh

from the Moon, has attained Neechabhanga status. Moreover, again

from the Moon, Mercury, which is the 9th Lord, is in the 10th and

aspects Saturn.

As a rule, a singer/artist needs a strong 3rd House, for this House

represents such areas of life; in Lennon's case, from the birth Asc,

we see that Venus rules his 3rd and is aspected by Lagnesh

Jupiter. "The arts" is an easy theme to see in this horoscope.

What is very noticeable in Lennon's chart is the very, very, very,

VERY stressed out 7th House; not only does he have Kuja Dosha but he

also has the Sun and Rahu in the 78th as well. On top of that,

Venus, which represents relationships and marriage in general, is

placed in one of the worst Houses in a Vedic chart, the 6th, AND in

one of its worst Sign placements, Leo. All of these markers suggest

at the very least, a turbulent state of affairs with regard to

marriage, if not worse. Lennon's chart stands as a vivid example of

just how Kuja Dosha works in a chart - first of all, Mars in and of

itself placed in the 7th House will not bring about the destruction

of a marriage; much depends on whether the native is a man or woman,

as well as to the inherent condition of Mars in the particular

chart. But even IF Mars is placed in a bad way in someone's chart,

the 7th House has to be severely challenged in order for all of the

textbook problems associated with Kuja Dosha to truly manifest. With

3 first rate malefics in the 7th House (the Sun, Rahu and Mars),

with Mars in the 7th House in the chart of a man and with Mars in

the Sign of an Enemy, we can see why Lennon had a disasterous

previous marriage before he met Yoko Ono - and even then, they went

through a period of seperation.

This 7th House situation also speaks very well to Lennon's dislike

of Paul McCartney; the other night, I happened to hear a previously

unreleased interview with Lennon in 1970, right after the breakup of

the Beatles. During the interview Lennon made it very clear that not

only did he work with McCartney often if at all, but that he didn't

like him much either. The 7th House represents "marriages" of all

kinds - personal/romantic/sexual, and business as well.

Note that the 7th Lord Mercury is placed in the 8th House, while

Venus, the 8th Lord, is placed in the 6th. This is a very difficult

chart for marriage and relationships, no matter how you slice it.

The entire decade of the 1960s saw tremendous success for Lennon

and the rest of the Beatles; at the time, Lennon was having Venus

Dasa. Note the YK status of Venus from the Moon, as well as the 3rd

House tie-ins from both the Asc and the Moon.

Lennon met and married Yoko Ono toward the end of his Venus Dasa in

the late 1960s; the Mercury sub period was running at the time of

his marriage to Ono. Mercury rules the 7th.

At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in

itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the

fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he

was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said

above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the

charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually

very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die

when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can

expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter

rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter

along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.

Salaam,

Mu

December 11, 2005

Thank you so much, Mu for posting your analysis of the John Lennon chart.

Very well written. I followed it step by step and gained some valuable insights.

However - i came up with Ju/Me/Su/Me on the day of his death, which still makes

a lot of sense. I have been using 365 days/Lahiri.

His Moon Maha Dasha ended when he was nine years old in my program.

Hmmmmm??? How can we be both that off? Any idea? What did you use?

Thank you again,

Blessings,

Sabine

valist, "MuMin Bey" <mumin_bey> wrote:

>

> John Lennon 25 Years Later

>

> >

> John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26

> Pis 40.

>

> At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in

> itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the

> fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he

> was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said

> above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the

> charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually

> very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die

> when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can

> expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter

> rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter

> along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

>

December 11, 2005

Dear Sabine,

Mu takes dasha calculated by lagna, not by moon.

Regards,

Ashutosh

-

"sabinchenus" <stetsa

Monday, 12 December, 2005 08:27

Re: John Lennon 25 Years Later

> Thank you so much, Mu for posting your analysis of the John Lennon chart.

> Very well written. I followed it step by step and gained some valuable

insights.

>

> However - i came up with Ju/Me/Su/Me on the day of his death, which still

makes

> a lot of sense. I have been using 365 days/Lahiri.

>

> His Moon Maha Dasha ended when he was nine years old in my program.

>

> Hmmmmm??? How can we be both that off? Any idea? What did you use?

>

> Thank you again,

> Blessings,

> Sabine

>

valist, "MuMin Bey" <mumin_bey> wrote:

> >

> > John Lennon 25 Years Later

> >

> > >

> > John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26

> > Pis 40.

> >

> > At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in

> > itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the

> > fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he

> > was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said

> > above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the

> > charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually

> > very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die

> > when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can

> > expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter

> > rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter

> > along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.

> >

> > Salaam,

> > Mu

> >

>

> Links

>

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December 12, 2005

Thank you, dear Ashutosh for your reply, now i am really confused (most of the

time:))....

I was under the impression that i used the Lagna. I re-casted chart and used

moon

as ascendent and getting again (ofcourse?) the same dashas.

If your time permits, could you please explain in little more detail, what you

are

referring to? I might have some big stumbling block in my understanding

here...and

could learn something very important.

Thank you again.

Blessings,

Sabine

valist, "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sabine,

>

> Mu takes dasha calculated by lagna, not by moon.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> >

> > valist, "MuMin Bey" <mumin_bey> wrote:

> > >

> > > John Lennon 25 Years Later

> > >

> > > >

> > > John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26

> > > Pis 40.

> > >

> > > At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in

> > > itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the

> > > fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he

> > > was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said

> > > above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the

> > > charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually

> > > very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die

> > > when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can

> > > expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter

> > > rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter

> > > along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.

> > >

> > > Salaam,

> > > Mu

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

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December 12, 2005

Dear Sabine,

You do not have to take the moon as an ascendent to

calculate dashas by lagna.

The dashas system which is most popular in vedic astrology is

vimshottari dasha where the dashas are calculated for a 120 year period.

The usual process is to calculate the nakshtra on which the moon is

placed. Every nakshatra has a planet-lord. There are 27 nakshatras and the

nine planets rule over three nakshatras each. The planet lord of the moon's

nakshatra at birth is given the beginning years of the dashas at birth.

Just like moon's nakshatra, every planet and even the ascendent is

placed on one of these 27 nakshatras. So, if one calculates dashas by lagna,

the planet-lord of lagna's nakshatra forms the first phase of the dashas and

so on.

The dasha cycle goes on in following way: Ketu(7 years), venus(20

years), sun(6 years), moon(10 years), mars(7 years), rahu(18 years),

jupiter(16 years), saturn(19 yeas) and mercury(17 years). This sequence and

ratio is maintained in all sub-periods of the dashas. Like if one has to

calculate the antardasha of sun in venus mahadasha then the formula will be:

6/120 * 20*12

Many astrological softwares today have the provision of

dasha-calculations by either of the nine planets or the ascendent itself.

John lennon was born in pisces ascendent and ascendent's nakshatra

was revati, ruled by mercury. Whereas, his moon was in shravan nakshatra,

ruled by moon.

I hope this is of some help.

Regards,

Ashutosh

-

"sabinchenus" <stetsa

Tuesday, 13 December, 2005 01:09

Re: John Lennon 25 Years Later

Thank you, dear Ashutosh for your reply, now i am really confused (most of

the time:))....

I was under the impression that i used the Lagna. I re-casted chart and used

moon

as ascendent and getting again (ofcourse?) the same dashas.

If your time permits, could you please explain in little more detail, what

you are

referring to? I might have some big stumbling block in my understanding

here...and

could learn something very important.

Thank you again.

Blessings,

Sabine

valist, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote: