Jupiter Ketu Conjunction: Destruction and Liberation

[Guest guest]

Dear Dark Star:

 

What I am picking up on is the annihilating or severing aspect of Ketu expanded

by

Jupiter in the conjunction that is exact August 11-16 in so far as terrorist

activities

are concerned, and this aspect of Ketu seems to predominate in the terrorist's

method of

execution. But another highly learned astrologer who posts to this list (Juliana

Swanson)

suggests in a more personal reply to me that "Jupiter is in the 1st pada of

Chitra, sub-

ruled by the Sun, which is another indication ... of working to release the

false illusion of

ego." Her reply evokes the Tarot card, the Tower, in which esoterically the

destructive

potential inherent in the JU KE conjunction is to the materialistic ego

structure

that we are seeing played out collectively on the world stage with regard to

bombings

resulting in the killing of innocent victims because of the massive ego power

structures

in place throughout time that inflict wars for some material aggrandizement.

Therefore,

those who are willing to release ego gratification and power struggles may be

liberated

(again through Ketu) as this conjunction peaks and those who are not will suffer

more

terrorist-based destruction whether collectively or individually. Although

Saturn's 3rd

house aspect on this conjunction is 11*, it seems that there has been a lot of

"death by water" (Saturn in Cancer) recently (the monsoons in Bombay, planes,

submarines, etc.), which is what caused me to inquire about the safety of the

shuttle re-

entry. My own insight has been for some time that any act that is outside of the

"feminine" energy of compassion will die by the sword (of Ketu), and again I am

interpreting through what I perceive to be the archetypes of Saturn

(father-male) in

Cancer (mother-female) and do not have the tools of the astrologer to reinforce

my own

perceptions except to say that this is one of the lessons humanity will be

taught through

Saturn's transit in Cancer for the next two years. And as a heavily-laden Cancer

(lagna-

sun-saturn-mercuy-pluto), although I support science and space discovery, I also

look at

the pictures on TV of mothers and children dying of starvation in Niger and ask

how

much money diverted to NASA space exploration would feed people who not only do

not

have quality of life but cannot even live into adulthood because of lack of

material

resources. Therefore, I see a certain "karma" being played out in the somewhat

faulty

shuttles being sent into space and cannot help but ask if NASA's space

exploration does

not, in part, divert the attention of the collective from the wars and other

deprivations

occurring on Earth for somewhat selfish, egoistic ends? I think a mother would

feed the

children first, then send the warriors into space. Perhaps this is simplistic,

but I am

watching closely how Rahu-Ketu-Mars-Saturn play out in combination with Jupiter

at

least through the end of September when Jupiter moves into Libra and sense

perhaps we

are reaching a climactic passage with the Ju-Ke-Ra conjunction.

 

Janna

Om hrim aim ketave namah

 

http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

 

 

valist, Dark Star <pansophia@e...> wrote:

>

> Hi Janna,

>

> Interesting observation you've made here, "Ju Ke...extremist activities." I

believe I've

> seen in the Hindu that Ketu = Moslem. I could also show that the 7/7 London

bombing was

> Moslem in the testimony of its Ve Ju and Mo Ke aspects...and that the very Ra

Ke of

> Mohammed's Hegira Medina 7 /15/0622 rise and set right on the London Bombing

horizon. But VA

> is not a western list.

>

> I judge that a 4:46 am landing on Monday would be protective of the venture.

>

> Dark*Star

> ________________________________

>

> Janna Lynn wrote:

>

> > Dear Steve:

> >

> > Thank you for this comprehensive answer and for correcting the place the

shuttle

is

> > scheduled to land. I've lost track of the complete details of earlier posts

and

> > comments you and Chris primarily have made on the shuttle launch. However,

is

> > there any aspect that links the re-entry landing of the shuttle with the

Jupiter-

Ketu

> > conjunction now within 3* of exactitude and exact August 11-12 that would

further

> > intensify planetary combinations found in the shuttle landing chart? I have

made

> > another query on another list about clarifying the impact in general of this

conjunction

> > but continue to feel that metaphorically the seas are rough for sailing or

landing

at

> > this time (this would include the recent Russian submarine entrapment)

collectively.

> > I'm looking for the planetary clues that provide possible explanations for

the

recent

> > escalation of terror and death-related incidents, such as the London

bombing,

and the

> > potential for other disasters, and although I realize this differs from

location to

> > location, I am looking for a thread that may connect these events

collectively,

and

> > would be interested in the ***Ju-Ke role in any of these recent waves of

extremist

> > activities.*** In the meantime, I hope that the shuttle may beat the odds

of these

> > precarious transits.

> >

> > Thank you for any insights you may share.

> >

> > Janna

> >

> > valist, Steven Stuckey <steven@l...> wrote:

> > > Dear Janna and members,

> > >

> > > The Discovery is scheduled to land at the Kennedy Space Center in Cape

Canaveral

> > on

> > > August 8th at 4:46 AM EDT. There are three additional landing times

possible

if

> > weather

> > > conditions for the 4:46 time are not favorable. The next available time

would

be

> > 6:12 AM

> > > at Cape Canaveral and the last two would be at 7:42 AM and 9:17 AM at

Edwards

> > Air Force

> > > Base in California.

> > >

> > > The 4:46 AM landing time has lagnesh Mercury retrograde, combust and in a

papa-

> > kartari

> > > yoga with Saturn and Sun while receiving the full aspect of 6th lord Mars.

If we

can

> > > trust this as a relevant chart to show landing conditions, then I would

conclude

that

> > > there is going to be trouble.

> > >

> > > Looking back at the shuttle Columbia that broke apart on re-entry over

Palestine,

> > Texas

> > > on February 1, 2003--it's ETA (estimated time of arrival) for Cape

Canaveral

was

> > 9:36 AM

> > > EST. That chart is fairly supportive for good landing--Pisces lagna and

lagna

lord

> > > Jupiter exalted in the 5th (although Rx at the time).

> > > Columbia never made it of course and was last heard from at about 9:00 AM

EST.

> > > It actually started breaking up at or just after re-entry which was very

close to

8:50

> > > AM EST.

> > > The 8:50 chart, when calculated for Cape Canaveral, gives Aquarius rising

with

> > Saturn in

> > > the 4th, very close to the cusp, along with Rahu, while Pluto sits exactly

on the

MC

> > > along with Mars and Ketu in Scorpio.

> > >

> > > The re-entry time of Discovery on August 8th, does not allow for a

different

lagna

> > (as

> > > happened to Columbia), so Gemini will be the lagna from the moment of re-

entry to

> > > landing time.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best,

> > >

> > > Steve

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Janna Lynn wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Steve, Chris, and others,

> > > >

> > > > I'm reclarifying an earlier post since I think the shuttle is scheduled

to land

at

> > > > Houston, TX (not Cape Canaveral, Fla.,) although I'm unsure of this, but

the

time

> > is

> > > > before dawn on Monday, August 8. I am curious about predictions from

anyone

> > on a

> > > > safe re-entry.

> > > > It seems the chart for launching did show many delays and obstacles

that

> > occurred

> > > > as many predicted, but are the chart predictions for launch altered in

any

way for

> > a

> > > > safe re-entry on Monday at dawn with a Leo Moon around 27-28* and

earlier

> > exactly

> > > > opposing 8th house Uranus around 15*?

> > > >

> > > > Janna

> > > >

> > > > Om hrim hrim surjaya namah

> > > >

> > > > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > valist, Steven Stuckey <steven@l...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Christopher Kevill wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Steve,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's also interesting that Mars is casting its most malefic 8th

house

> > > > > > aspect to the 8th house Uranus in the original shuttle chart for

> > > > > > Columbia on Arp 4 1981 at 7.00.03. The chart doesn't quite seem

> > > > > > afflicted enough to spell doom this time around however, but

certainly

> > > > > > there will be untoward developments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, your message got cut off mid-sentence. Maybe you could finish

> > > > > > your thought about your father.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Chris,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm having a few problems with my computer. I hope there are no more

> > > > > than a few "hiccoughs" (as NASA has already called the trouble so

far),

> > > > > in the upcoming days of the Discovery mission.

> > > > > My father used to work at Lockheed in Palmdale, where the shuttles

were

> > > > > built. I've taken a few tours of the plant and was always fascinated

> > > > > with the monumental task of building things like that.

> > > > > Palmdale is situated less than 30 miles from Edwards Air Force base,

> > > > > where most of the shuttles landed. I was at my father's a number of

> > > > > times when the shuttle came in, sending out two powerful shock waves

> > > > > ahead of it, one right after the other, as it came back through the

> > > > > sound barrier. The windows would always rattle, like we were having an

> > > > > earthquake when this happened. My father had a high security clearance

> > > > > and spent some of his time at Lockheed working on secret projects in

> > > > > their high tech Skunk Works division. He was a heavy duty Plutonian,

and

> > > > > therefore I never was able to get any information from him about what

he

> > > > > was doing.

> > > > >

> > > > > There were rumors going around that some of the Skunk Works people

were

> > > > > being flown to the infamous Area 51, where the government was working

on

> > > > > duplicating Alien/UFO technology--I'm fairly certain my father was not

> > > > > amongst those.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Best,

> > > > >

> > > > > Steve

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

I am touched by the gesture of Janna who has written

 

"although I support science and space discovery, I also look at the pictures

on TV of mothers and children dying of starvation in Niger and ask how much

money diverted to NASA space exploration would feed people who not only do

not have quality of life but cannot even live into adulthood because of lack

of material resources. Therefore, I see a certain "karma" being played out

in the somewhat faulty shuttles being sent into space and cannot help but

ask if NASA's space

exploration does not, in part, divert the attention of the collective from

the wars and other

deprivations occurring on Earth for somewhat selfish, egoistic ends? I think

a mother would

feed the children first, then send the warriors into space. Perhaps this is

simplistic, but I am

watching closely how Rahu-Ketu-Mars-Saturn play out in combination with

Jupiter at least through the end of September when Jupiter moves into Libra

and sense perhaps we are reaching a climactic passage with the Ju-Ke-Ra

conjunction."

 

I hope there was someone in US near Mr. George Bush whose thinking on these

matters matches with Janna's HUMANE THINKING. I am only trying to indicate

that the People whose decesions matters for the world, if they could have

been more humane or humane. The Government in each country is responsible

for provide two square meals and basic clothing to every citizen of its

country. Many a countries in the world claim them to be developed but if a

country fails to provide the basic necessity to sustain, in my opinion(It

doesnot matter although), it is not a developed country.

 

I donot know much about Osama or Saddam, but who made them 'what they are

today'. In my opinion, we the society as a whole is responsible for each

osama's birth. Given a chance in life, i would like to meet with "these

terrorist" and know what made them what they are today. No one is a born

terrorist but the circumstances in one's life forces one to take on the

world. I am not at all trying to validate the actions of 9/11 or other such

activities but somewhere in my heart i feel that yes, somewhere we are

responsible for these acts of voilence because, we are indirectly

responsible for the birth's of Osamas or Saddam's.

 

I hope we are more responsible in our action so that no more Osama's or

Saddan's are born And this would only be possible if we act with a

combination of heart and head and donot try to just listen to head which

gives rise to ego. If if blend the Head and Heart in the right meausure and

take our decesions on the world scene, i am sure there would not be Osama's

and Saddam's around us and even if they are there, we would not be able to

recognise them since by that time they would have changed as well.

 

Regards

Chandra Sekhar Sahal

 

 

 

>"Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn

>valist

>valist

>Re: Jupiter Ketu Conjunction: Destruction and Liberation

>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:04:37 -0000

>

>Dear Dark Star:

>

>What I am picking up on is the annihilating or severing aspect of Ketu

>expanded by

>Jupiter in the conjunction that is exact August 11-16 in so far as

>terrorist activities

>are concerned, and this aspect of Ketu seems to predominate in the

>terrorist's method of

>execution. But another highly learned astrologer who posts to this list

>(Juliana Swanson)

>suggests in a more personal reply to me that "Jupiter is in the 1st pada of

>Chitra, sub-

>ruled by the Sun, which is another indication ... of working to release the

>false illusion of

>ego." Her reply evokes the Tarot card, the Tower, in which esoterically the

>destructive

>potential inherent in the JU KE conjunction is to the materialistic ego

>structure

>that we are seeing played out collectively on the world stage with regard

>to bombings

>resulting in the killing of innocent victims because of the massive ego

>power structures

>in place throughout time that inflict wars for some material

>aggrandizement. Therefore,

>those who are willing to release ego gratification and power struggles may

>be liberated

>(again through Ketu) as this conjunction peaks and those who are not will

>suffer more

>terrorist-based destruction whether collectively or individually. Although

>Saturn's 3rd

>house aspect on this conjunction is 11*, it seems that there has been a lot

>of

>"death by water" (Saturn in Cancer) recently (the monsoons in Bombay,

>planes,

>submarines, etc.), which is what caused me to inquire about the safety of

>the shuttle re-

>entry. My own insight has been for some time that any act that is outside

>of the

>"feminine" energy of compassion will die by the sword (of Ketu), and again

>I am

>interpreting through what I perceive to be the archetypes of Saturn

>(father-male) in

>Cancer (mother-female) and do not have the tools of the astrologer to

>reinforce my own

>perceptions except to say that this is one of the lessons humanity will be

>taught through

>Saturn's transit in Cancer for the next two years. And as a heavily-laden

>Cancer (lagna-

>sun-saturn-mercuy-pluto), although I support science and space discovery, I

>also look at

>the pictures on TV of mothers and children dying of starvation in Niger and

>ask how

>much money diverted to NASA space exploration would feed people who not

>only do not

>have quality of life but cannot even live into adulthood because of lack of

>material

>resources. Therefore, I see a certain "karma" being played out in the

>somewhat faulty

>shuttles being sent into space and cannot help but ask if NASA's space

>exploration does

>not, in part, divert the attention of the collective from the wars and

>other deprivations

>occurring on Earth for somewhat selfish, egoistic ends? I think a mother

>would feed the

>children first, then send the warriors into space. Perhaps this is

>simplistic, but I am

>watching closely how Rahu-Ketu-Mars-Saturn play out in combination with

>Jupiter at

>least through the end of September when Jupiter moves into Libra and sense

>perhaps we

>are reaching a climactic passage with the Ju-Ke-Ra conjunction.

>

>Janna

>Om hrim aim ketave namah

>

>http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

>

>

>valist, Dark Star <pansophia@e...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Janna,

> >

> > Interesting observation you've made here, "Ju Ke...extremist

>activities." I believe I've

> > seen in the Hindu that Ketu = Moslem. I could also show that the 7/7

>London

>bombing was

> > Moslem in the testimony of its Ve Ju and Mo Ke aspects...and that the

>very Ra Ke of

> > Mohammed's Hegira Medina 7 /15/0622 rise and set right on the London

>Bombing

>horizon. But VA

> > is not a western list.

> >

> > I judge that a 4:46 am landing on Monday would be protective of the

>venture.

> >

> > Dark*Star

> > ________________________________

> >

> > Janna Lynn wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Steve:

> > >

> > > Thank you for this comprehensive answer and for correcting the place

>the shuttle

>is

> > > scheduled to land. I've lost track of the complete details of earlier

>posts and

> > > comments you and Chris primarily have made on the shuttle launch.

>However, is

> > > there any aspect that links the re-entry landing of the shuttle with

>the Jupiter-

>Ketu

> > > conjunction now within 3* of exactitude and exact August 11-12 that

>would

>further

> > > intensify planetary combinations found in the shuttle landing chart?

>I have made

> > > another query on another list about clarifying the impact in general

>of this

>conjunction

> > > but continue to feel that metaphorically the seas are rough for

>sailing or landing

>at

> > > this time (this would include the recent Russian submarine entrapment)

>collectively.

> > > I'm looking for the planetary clues that provide possible explanations

>for the

>recent

> > > escalation of terror and death-related incidents, such as the London

>bombing,

>and the

> > > potential for other disasters, and although I realize this differs

>from location to

> > > location, I am looking for a thread that may connect these events

>collectively,

>and

> > > would be interested in the ***Ju-Ke role in any of these recent waves

>of extremist

> > > activities.*** In the meantime, I hope that the shuttle may beat the

>odds of these

> > > precarious transits.

> > >

> > > Thank you for any insights you may share.

> > >

> > > Janna

> > >

> > > valist, Steven Stuckey <steven@l...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Janna and members,

> > > >

> > > > The Discovery is scheduled to land at the Kennedy Space Center in

>Cape

>Canaveral

> > > on

> > > > August 8th at 4:46 AM EDT. There are three additional landing times

>possible

>if

> > > weather

> > > > conditions for the 4:46 time are not favorable. The next available

>time would

>be

> > > 6:12 AM

> > > > at Cape Canaveral and the last two would be at 7:42 AM and 9:17 AM

>at

>Edwards

> > > Air Force

> > > > Base in California.

> > > >

> > > > The 4:46 AM landing time has lagnesh Mercury retrograde, combust and

>in a

>papa-

> > > kartari

> > > > yoga with Saturn and Sun while receiving the full aspect of 6th lord

>Mars. If we

>can

> > > > trust this as a relevant chart to show landing conditions, then I

>would conclude

>that

> > > > there is going to be trouble.

> > > >

> > > > Looking back at the shuttle Columbia that broke apart on re-entry

>over

>Palestine,

> > > Texas

> > > > on February 1, 2003--it's ETA (estimated time of arrival) for Cape

>Canaveral

>was

> > > 9:36 AM

> > > > EST. That chart is fairly supportive for good landing--Pisces lagna

>and lagna

>lord

> > > > Jupiter exalted in the 5th (although Rx at the time).

> > > > Columbia never made it of course and was last heard from at about

>9:00 AM

>EST.

> > > > It actually started breaking up at or just after re-entry which was

>very close to

>8:50

> > > > AM EST.

> > > > The 8:50 chart, when calculated for Cape Canaveral, gives Aquarius

>rising with

> > > Saturn in

> > > > the 4th, very close to the cusp, along with Rahu, while Pluto sits

>exactly on the

>MC

> > > > along with Mars and Ketu in Scorpio.

> > > >

> > > > The re-entry time of Discovery on August 8th, does not allow for a

>different

>lagna

> > > (as

> > > > happened to Columbia), so Gemini will be the lagna from the moment

>of re-

>entry to

> > > > landing time.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > >

> > > > Steve

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Janna Lynn wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Steve, Chris, and others,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm reclarifying an earlier post since I think the shuttle is

>scheduled to land

>at

> > > > > Houston, TX (not Cape Canaveral, Fla.,) although I'm unsure of

>this, but the

>time

> > > is

> > > > > before dawn on Monday, August 8. I am curious about predictions

>from

>anyone

> > > on a

> > > > > safe re-entry.

> > > > > It seems the chart for launching did show many delays and

>obstacles that

> > > occurred

> > > > > as many predicted, but are the chart predictions for launch

>altered in any

>way for

> > > a

> > > > > safe re-entry on Monday at dawn with a Leo Moon around 27-28* and

>earlier

> > > exactly

> > > > > opposing 8th house Uranus around 15*?

> > > > >

> > > > > Janna

> > > > >

> > > > > Om hrim hrim surjaya namah

> > > > >

> > > > > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > valist, Steven Stuckey <steven@l...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Christopher Kevill wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Steve,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's also interesting that Mars is casting its most malefic

>8th house

> > > > > > > aspect to the 8th house Uranus in the original shuttle chart

>for

> > > > > > > Columbia on Arp 4 1981 at 7.00.03. The chart doesn't quite

>seem

> > > > > > > afflicted enough to spell doom this time around however, but

>certainly

> > > > > > > there will be untoward developments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, your message got cut off mid-sentence. Maybe you could

>finish

> > > > > > > your thought about your father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Chris,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm having a few problems with my computer. I hope there are no

>more

> > > > > > than a few "hiccoughs" (as NASA has already called the trouble

>so far),

> > > > > > in the upcoming days of the Discovery mission.

> > > > > > My father used to work at Lockheed in Palmdale, where the

>shuttles were

> > > > > > built. I've taken a few tours of the plant and was always

>fascinated

> > > > > > with the monumental task of building things like that.

> > > > > > Palmdale is situated less than 30 miles from Edwards Air Force

>base,

> > > > > > where most of the shuttles landed. I was at my father's a

>number of

> > > > > > times when the shuttle came in, sending out two powerful shock

>waves

> > > > > > ahead of it, one right after the other, as it came back through

>the

> > > > > > sound barrier. The windows would always rattle, like we were

>having an

> > > > > > earthquake when this happened. My father had a high security

>clearance

> > > > > > and spent some of his time at Lockheed working on secret

>projects in

> > > > > > their high tech Skunk Works division. He was a heavy duty

>Plutonian, and

> > > > > > therefore I never was able to get any information from him about

>what he

> > > > > > was doing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There were rumors going around that some of the Skunk Works

>people

>were

> > > > > > being flown to the infamous Area 51, where the government was

>working

>on

> > > > > > duplicating Alien/UFO technology--I'm fairly certain my father

>was not

> > > > > > amongst those.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Steve

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Links

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Chandrasekhar Sahal wrote:

Dear Members,

I hope there was someone in US near Mr. George Bush whose thinking on these

matters matches with Janna's HUMANE THINKING. I am only trying to indicate that

the People whose decesions matters for the world, if they could have been more

humane or humane. The Government in each country is responsible for provide two

square meals and basic clothing to every citizen of its country. Many a

countries in the world claim them to be developed but if a country fails to

provide the basic necessity to sustain, in my opinion(It doesnot matter

although), it is not a developed country.

Dear Chandrasekhar and Janna,

On some level, I think the desires of the people (conscious or unconscious) are

expressed by their leaders. Most of us like to think of ourselves as 'good'

people and citizens. I think if you ask most persons, they would answer in the

affirmative i.e. that they are basically nice and good. And

yet, we continually see that various countries throughout history are

represented by rakshasas. There seems to be a certain tacit approval of

the actions of these leaders --otherwise they would be thrown out immediately or

never enter office in the first place.

The biggest problem we all face is rectifying our own inner darkness.

This is a monumental task in itself and doesn't leave much extra time

for 'saving ' the world.

Once right within ourselves, we may possess tremendous power for

the general good of mankind--if this happens to be in accordance with

the wishes of a Universal Intelligence of course. Our particular idea of

what is right and good may have no connection to what is actually good.

By directing our focus outward, to the so called 'axis of evil', while

simulataneously praising our so-called virtues , sly leaders such as Mr. Bush

divert our attention from the inner task of clearing our own personal mischief.

We can see how effective this technique was under Hitler, when making his case

for German superiority.

Until this 'inner' mission is accomplished, we all, on a certain level,

contribute knowingly or unknowingly to the darkness of the world.

Best,

Steve

[Guest guest]

Dear Steve,

 

I want to say how much I like the bumper sticker

 

"I feel so much better since I've lost all hope"

 

In some way it strikes me as neutralizing the tendency to judge good or evil

when

looking at the state of the world today, particularly the imbalance, now that

with the

advent of the internet, we have become a truly global community. It was in this

sense

that I think somehow we should strive to correct the imbalance of material

assets on a

global scale, not by becoming a global welfare community but doing something

more

than observe lives lost by famine, war, and natural disasters such as not

supporting

space exploration until other human needs of basic survival are met. And I do

agree with

Chandra that this is the basis of the terrorist acts, although I am certain few

think

violence should be the method of bringing the attention of the world to this

state of

affairs. I think actually I read a letter supporting this that the Dalai Lama

sent to Blair following the London Bombings in which he said in his simple manner that

we

should look to the "root" of the cause of the terrorist acts to bring an end to

terrorism

and violence in the world.

 

And it was along this line of identifying the "root of the problem" that I am

in complete

agreement with you that all we can do is clear our own darkness and not project

an "axis

of evil" outside ourselves because it is ultimately where we place our attention

and our

mental identification that creates the evil, or the war, or the dictator or

FŸhrer. But I also

found it curious that you brought up Hitler, since only 4 days ago, I thought of

Hitler

also, and so, curious, looked at his birth & death data and agree that

collectively the

masses allowed Hitler to rise and collectively also destroyed him (through the

violence of

war), so it seems that we are being asked to eradicate the evil of violence and

terrorism

today in the way that you suggest by projecting more light onto the darkness

these

leaders and events represent. But because there is also a link collectively in

communicating on cyber lists such as this, I wondered where and why Hitler came

into

the minds of at least you and me within a few days of discussion of the chart of

the

shuttle launch and re-entry and what significance, if any, you might see in this

mental

linkage. In my mind, I am still linking Jupiter with extremism when conjunct

Ketu, in the

negative aspect, but also look beyond this conjunction as perhaps clearing the

battlefield

for Jupiter's benefic aspect to enlighten humanity and prepare the way for

positive and

auspicious events to occur in the world we live in today. Perhaps this is "hope"

for a "final

solution" in a "new age" 60 years post Hitler. Is there some planetary corollary

that

supports these musings?

 

Om hrim klim hum brhaspataye namah

 

Janna

 

http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

 

 

Adolf Hitler

Date of birth

20 April 1889

18:30 LMT

Braunau am Inn, Austria-Hungary

Date of death

30 April 1945

Berlin, Germany. (suicide)

 

valist, Steven Stuckey <steven@l...> wrote:

>

>

> Chandrasekhar Sahal wrote:

>

> >Dear Members,

> >

> >

> >

> >I hope there was someone in US near Mr. George Bush whose thinking on these

> >matters matches with Janna's HUMANE THINKING. I am only trying to indicate

> >that the People whose decesions matters for the world, if they could have

> >been more humane or humane. The Government in each country is responsible

> >for provide two square meals and basic clothing to every citizen of its

> >country. Many a countries in the world claim them to be developed but if a

> >country fails to provide the basic necessity to sustain, in my opinion(It

> >doesnot matter although), it is not a developed country.

> >

>

>

> Dear Chandrasekhar and Janna,

>

> On some level, I think the desires of the people (conscious or

> unconscious) are expressed by their leaders. Most of us like to think

> of ourselves as 'good' people and citizens. I think if you ask most

> persons, they would answer in the affirmative i.e. that they are

> basically nice and good. And yet, we continually see that various

> countries throughout history are represented by rakshasas. There seems

> to be a certain tacit approval of the actions of these leaders

> --otherwise they would be thrown out immediately or never enter office

> in the first place.

>

> The biggest problem we all face is rectifying our own inner darkness.

> This is a monumental task in itself and doesn't leave much extra time

> for 'saving ' the world.

>

> Once right within ourselves, we may possess tremendous power for the

> general good of mankind--if this happens to be in accordance with the

> wishes of a Universal Intelligence of course. Our particular idea of

> what is right and good may have no connection to what is actually good.

>

> By directing our focus outward, to the so called 'axis of evil', while

> simulataneously praising our so-called virtues , sly leaders such as Mr.

> Bush divert our attention from the inner task of clearing our own

> personal mischief. We can see how effective this technique was under

> Hitler, when making his case for German superiority.

>

>

> Until this 'inner' mission is accomplished, we all, on a certain level,

> contribute knowingly or unknowingly to the darkness of the world.

>

> Best,

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

Janna Lynn wrote:

 

> Dear Steve,

>

> I want to say how much I like the bumper sticker

>

> "I feel so much better since I've lost all hope"

 

Dear Janna,

 

I always got a big chuckle out of this myself, but never did find out exactly

where it came from.

I used to think it was representative of a particular metaphysical group who's

main philosophy was

'be here now'. The idea of 'hope' tends to keep one focused on a future outcome,

rather than

expanding on the infinite moment at hand.

 

 

 

>

>

> In some way it strikes me as neutralizing the tendency to judge good or evil

when

> looking at the state of the world today, particularly the imbalance, now that

with the

> advent of the internet, we have become a truly global community. It was in

this sense

> that I think somehow we should strive to correct the imbalance of material

assets on a

> global scale, not by becoming a global welfare community but doing something

more

> than observe lives lost by famine, war, and natural disasters such as not

supporting

> space exploration until other human needs of basic survival are met. And I do

agree with

> Chandra that this is the basis of the terrorist acts, although I am certain

few think

> violence should be the method of bringing the attention of the world to this

state of

> affairs. I think actually I read a letter supporting this that the Dalai Lama

sent to Tony

> Blair following the London Bombings in which he said in his simple manner that

we

> should look to the "root" of the cause of the terrorist acts to bring an end

to terrorism

> and violence in the world.

 

I think the Dalai Lama knew that was a very tall order--but he had to give the

advice nevertheless

I suppose. Word is from conspiracy theorists that the powers that be have their

own solution to

the various imbalances of things--get rid of most of the world's population and

then they can

manage the 'problem'.

 

 

 

>

>

> And it was along this line of identifying the "root of the problem" that I am

in complete

> agreement with you that all we can do is clear our own darkness and not

project an "axis

> of evil" outside ourselves because it is ultimately where we place our

attention and our

> mental identification that creates the evil, or the war, or the dictator or

FŸhrer.

 

> But I also

> found it curious that you brought up Hitler, since only 4 days ago, I thought

of Hitler

> also, and so, curious, looked at his birth & death data and agree that

collectively the

> masses allowed Hitler to rise and collectively also destroyed him (through the

violence of

> war), so it seems that we are being asked to eradicate the evil of violence

and terrorism

> today in the way that you suggest by projecting more light onto the darkness

these

> leaders and events represent. But because there is also a link collectively in

> communicating on cyber lists such as this, I wondered where and why Hitler

came into

> the minds of at least you and me within a few days of discussion of the chart

of the

> shuttle launch and re-entry and what significance, if any, you might see in

this mental

> linkage. In my mind, I am still linking Jupiter with extremism when conjunct

Ketu, in the

> negative aspect, but also look beyond this conjunction as perhaps clearing the

battlefield

> for Jupiter's benefic aspect to enlighten humanity and prepare the way for

positive and

> auspicious events to occur in the world we live in today. Perhaps this is

"hope" for a "final

> solution" in a "new age" 60 years post Hitler. Is there some planetary

corollary that

> supports these musings?

 

The last Jupiter/Ketu conjunction in Virgo was in 1968/69. The Vietnam War was

in full swing and

there were massive demonstrations here in the US. Drug use was also on the rise.

Civil rights were a big issue, with Martin Luther King having been assassinated

in April '68

followed by Robert Kennedy in June (these were under Jupiter in Leo however).

Nixon was elected in November '68.

 

I think Hitler and others like him who have killed millions; Stalin, Pol Pot etc

come up in the

mind more often than we would like them to come. Probably it's because we

haven't understood yet

the immense problem and the extent of evil in the world.

I personally believe we can only eradicate evil in ourselves--not in others or

the world at large.

 

I look at current transits and yearly charts of people who are

deceased--sometimes it helps bring

issues into focus.

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

 

>

[Guest guest]

Mmmmm.

 

Ketu + Jupiter = higher fields of knowledge, e.g. (inter alia),

jyotish.

 

Rick has his lagna in the star of Ketu and Sub of Guru, according to

Krishnamurti Padhdhati. That would make sense.

 

Maybe there's something to look out for along these lines vis-a-vis

Kanya and Jyotish. I will try to be alert.

 

Best,

 

J.I. Abbot

 

 

valist, "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn> wrote:

> Dear Steve,

>

> I want to say how much I like the bumper sticker

>

> "I feel so much better since I've lost all hope"

>

> In some way it strikes me as neutralizing the tendency to judge

good or evil when

> looking at the state of the world today, particularly the

imbalance, now that with the

> advent of the internet, we have become a truly global community.

It was in this sense

> that I think somehow we should strive to correct the imbalance of

material assets on a

> global scale, not by becoming a global welfare community but doing

something more

> than observe lives lost by famine, war, and natural disasters

such as not supporting

> space exploration until other human needs of basic survival are

met. And I do agree with

> Chandra that this is the basis of the terrorist acts, although I

am certain few think

> violence should be the method of bringing the attention of the

world to this state of

> affairs. I think actually I read a letter supporting this that the

Dalai Lama sent to Tony

> Blair following the London Bombings in which he said in his simple

manner that we

> should look to the "root" of the cause of the terrorist acts to

bring an end to terrorism

> and violence in the world.

>

> And it was along this line of identifying the "root of the

problem" that I am in complete

> agreement with you that all we can do is clear our own darkness

and not project an "axis

> of evil" outside ourselves because it is ultimately where we place

our attention and our

> mental identification that creates the evil, or the war, or the

dictator or FŸhrer. But I also

> found it curious that you brought up Hitler, since only 4 days

ago, I thought of Hitler

> also, and so, curious, looked at his birth & death data and agree

that collectively the

> masses allowed Hitler to rise and collectively also destroyed him

(through the violence of

> war), so it seems that we are being asked to eradicate the evil of

violence and terrorism

> today in the way that you suggest by projecting more light onto

the darkness these

> leaders and events represent. But because there is also a link

collectively in

> communicating on cyber lists such as this, I wondered where and

why Hitler came into

> the minds of at least you and me within a few days of discussion

of the chart of the

> shuttle launch and re-entry and what significance, if any, you

might see in this mental

> linkage. In my mind, I am still linking Jupiter with extremism

when conjunct Ketu, in the

> negative aspect, but also look beyond this conjunction as perhaps

clearing the battlefield

> for Jupiter's benefic aspect to enlighten humanity and prepare the

way for positive and

> auspicious events to occur in the world we live in today. Perhaps

this is "hope" for a "final

> solution" in a "new age" 60 years post Hitler. Is there some

planetary corollary that

> supports these musings?

>

> Om hrim klim hum brhaspataye namah

>

> Janna

>

> http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

>

>

> Adolf Hitler

> Date of birth

> 20 April 1889

> 18:30 LMT

> Braunau am Inn, Austria-Hungary

> Date of death

> 30 April 1945

> Berlin, Germany. (suicide)

>

> valist, Steven Stuckey <steven@l...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Chandrasekhar Sahal wrote:

> >

> > >Dear Members,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >I hope there was someone in US near Mr. George Bush whose

thinking on these

> > >matters matches with Janna's HUMANE THINKING. I am only trying

to indicate

> > >that the People whose decesions matters for the world, if they

could have

> > >been more humane or humane. The Government in each country is

responsible

> > >for provide two square meals and basic clothing to every

citizen of its

> > >country. Many a countries in the world claim them to be

developed but if a

> > >country fails to provide the basic necessity to sustain, in my

opinion(It

> > >doesnot matter although), it is not a developed country.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekhar and Janna,

> >

> > On some level, I think the desires of the people (conscious or

> > unconscious) are expressed by their leaders. Most of us like to

think

> > of ourselves as 'good' people and citizens. I think if you ask

most

> > persons, they would answer in the affirmative i.e. that they are

> > basically nice and good. And yet, we continually see that

various

> > countries throughout history are represented by rakshasas. There

seems

> > to be a certain tacit approval of the actions of these leaders

> > --otherwise they would be thrown out immediately or never enter

office

> > in the first place.

> >

> > The biggest problem we all face is rectifying our own inner

darkness.

> > This is a monumental task in itself and doesn't leave much extra

time

> > for 'saving ' the world.

> >

> > Once right within ourselves, we may possess tremendous power for

the

> > general good of mankind--if this happens to be in accordance

with the

> > wishes of a Universal Intelligence of course. Our particular

idea of

> > what is right and good may have no connection to what is

actually good.

> >

> > By directing our focus outward, to the so called 'axis of

evil', while

> > simulataneously praising our so-called virtues , sly leaders

such as Mr.

> > Bush divert our attention from the inner task of clearing our

own

> > personal mischief. We can see how effective this technique was

under

> > Hitler, when making his case for German superiority.

> >

> >

> > Until this 'inner' mission is accomplished, we all, on a

certain level,

> > contribute knowingly or unknowingly to the darkness of the world.

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Steve

[Guest guest]

Dear Janna,

 

In some way it strikes me as neutralizing the tendency to judge good or evil

when

looking at the state of the world today, particularly the imbalance, now

that with the

advent of the internet, we have become a truly global community. It was in

this sense

that I think somehow we should strive to correct the imbalance of material

assets on a

global scale, not by becoming a global welfare community but doing something

more

than observe lives lost by famine, war, and natural disasters such as not

supporting

space exploration until other human needs of basic survival are met. And I

do agree with

Chandra that this is the basis of the terrorist acts, although I am certain

few think

violence should be the method of bringing the attention of the world to this

state of

affairs.

 

**While I think relative powerlessness is part of the terror equation in the

"root causes" argument, I think that values and ideals also play a part.

Humans are not purely motivated by material impulses, they make sense of

reality in terms of cultural, religious, and ethical norms. Not all

vanquished peoples continue to harbour deep resentment and continually take

up arms against their oppressors. Some roll over and just try to get along

with life, quietly maintaining their beliefs and sense of right. Others

switch allegiances and leave their pasts behind. How a person or group of

people react to the defeat and privation that Muslims around the world have

experienced depends on the cultural scripts available to them and the kinds

of leadership that are empowered to disseminate them to the people.

 

In other words, I don't believe that Islamic extremism would die out if

George Bush handed out 100 dollar bills on the streets of Baghdad. It's

much deeper problem than money and economic opportunity. There's an

excessive pride in enough members of those societies that seems at odds with

just getting along with life. Of course, the US has encouraged the

militarization of the Middle East for its own benefit in the past 50 years

and that has been a destabilizing force in the region.

 

As Steve might say, the Muslims themselves need to look at their own inner

darkness. It's first and foremost their problem. Until they feel the need

to kneel down and commune with their conscience, they will prefer to take

aim and kneel down with an RPG.

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Abbot,

 

Well, it is surprised to see the result of

Ketu+jup-higher fields of knowledge in my 30 years of

experimental and applied astro. I would be grateful

know the name of the book, which speaks about this

result and also would like to know apply of it in the

line.

 

With best wishes,

P K Tripathy.

 

--- Korengai <jiabbot-lists wrote:

 

> Mmmmm.

>

> Ketu + Jupiter = higher fields of knowledge, e.g.

> (inter alia),

> jyotish.

>

> Rick has his lagna in the star of Ketu and Sub of

> Guru, according to

> Krishnamurti Padhdhati. That would make sense.

>

> Maybe there's something to look out for along these

> lines vis-a-vis

> Kanya and Jyotish. I will try to be alert.

>

> Best,

>

> J.I. Abbot

>

>

> valist, "Janna Lynn"

> <jnanalynn> wrote:

> > Dear Steve,

> >

> > I want to say how much I like the bumper sticker

> >

> > "I feel so much better since I've lost all hope"

> >

> > In some way it strikes me as neutralizing the

> tendency to judge

> good or evil when

> > looking at the state of the world today,

> particularly the

> imbalance, now that with the

> > advent of the internet, we have become a truly

> global community.

> It was in this sense

> > that I think somehow we should strive to correct

> the imbalance of

> material assets on a

> > global scale, not by becoming a global welfare

> community but doing

> something more

> > than observe lives lost by famine, war, and

> natural disasters

> such as not supporting

> > space exploration until other human needs of basic

> survival are

> met. And I do agree with

> > Chandra that this is the basis of the terrorist

> acts, although I

> am certain few think

> > violence should be the method of bringing the

> attention of the

> world to this state of

> > affairs. I think actually I read a letter

> supporting this that the

> Dalai Lama sent to Tony

> > Blair following the London Bombings in which he

> said in his simple

> manner that we

> > should look to the "root" of the cause of the

> terrorist acts to

> bring an end to terrorism

> > and violence in the world.

> >

> > And it was along this line of identifying the

> "root of the

> problem" that I am in complete

> > agreement with you that all we can do is clear our

> own darkness

> and not project an "axis

> > of evil" outside ourselves because it is

> ultimately where we place

> our attention and our

> > mental identification that creates the evil, or

> the war, or the

> dictator or FŸhrer. But I also

> > found it curious that you brought up Hitler, since

> only 4 days

> ago, I thought of Hitler

> > also, and so, curious, looked at his birth & death

> data and agree

> that collectively the

> > masses allowed Hitler to rise and collectively

> also destroyed him

> (through the violence of

> > war), so it seems that we are being asked to

> eradicate the evil of

> violence and terrorism

> > today in the way that you suggest by projecting

> more light onto

> the darkness these

> > leaders and events represent. But because there is

> also a link

> collectively in

> > communicating on cyber lists such as this, I

> wondered where and

> why Hitler came into

> > the minds of at least you and me within a few days

> of discussion

> of the chart of the

> > shuttle launch and re-entry and what significance,

> if any, you

> might see in this mental

> > linkage. In my mind, I am still linking Jupiter

> with extremism

> when conjunct Ketu, in the

> > negative aspect, but also look beyond this

> conjunction as perhaps

> clearing the battlefield

> > for Jupiter's benefic aspect to enlighten humanity

> and prepare the

> way for positive and

> > auspicious events to occur in the world we live in

> today. Perhaps

> this is "hope" for a "final

> > solution" in a "new age" 60 years post Hitler. Is

> there some

> planetary corollary that

> > supports these musings?

> >

> > Om hrim klim hum brhaspataye namah

> >

> > Janna

> >

> > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

> >

> >

> > Adolf Hitler

> > Date of birth

> > 20 April 1889

> > 18:30 LMT

> > Braunau am Inn, Austria-Hungary

> > Date of death

> > 30 April 1945

> > Berlin, Germany. (suicide)

> >

> > valist, Steven Stuckey

> <steven@l...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrasekhar Sahal wrote:

> > >

> > > >Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >I hope there was someone in US near Mr. George

> Bush whose

> thinking on these

> > > >matters matches with Janna's HUMANE THINKING. I

> am only trying

> to indicate

> > > >that the People whose decesions matters for the

> world, if they

> could have

> > > >been more humane or humane. The Government in

> each country is

> responsible

> > > >for provide two square meals and basic clothing

> to every

> citizen of its

> > > >country. Many a countries in the world claim

> them to be

> developed but if a

> > > >country fails to provide the basic necessity to

> sustain, in my

> opinion(It

> > > >doesnot matter although), it is not a developed

> country.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekhar and Janna,

> > >

> > > On some level, I think the desires of the people

> (conscious or

> > > unconscious) are expressed by their leaders.

> Most of us like to

> think

> > > of ourselves as 'good' people and citizens. I

> think if you ask

> most

> > > persons, they would answer in the affirmative

> i.e. that they are

> > > basically nice and good. And yet, we continually

> see that

> various

> > > countries throughout history are represented by

> rakshasas. There

> seems

> > > to be a certain tacit approval of the actions of

> these leaders

> > > --otherwise they would be thrown out immediately

> or never enter

> office

> > > in the first place.

> > >

> > > The biggest problem we all face is rectifying

> our own inner

> darkness.

>

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