More on Ketu.....Steven

[Guest guest]

Juliana Swanson wrote:

Hi Steve,

re: what you wrote: "It seems that Ketu gradually achieved it's status as the

south Node sometime after the 6th century AD....or not?... Stone suggests that

Ketu's origins as the descending node may have arisen as part of Tantric

astrology".

..I do not know anything about this except what I have read here and there

about the nodes having Tantric significance in many different cultures.

Hi Juliana,

Dr. Stone describes Tantric astrology as: "..that astrology which is found in or

associated with, the Tantras." He mentions the Yamalas, the Yuddhajayarnava, the

Jyotisha Ratna Mala of Sripati in the 11th century

and other works.

He quotes from the Parisishtas of the Atharva Veda: "Neither tithi,

nor nakshatra, neither planets nor the Moon: it is using an Atharvavedic

mantra which will give success in everything" as the beginnings of Tantric

astrology in India.

By the 8th century the nodes were known in China as Lo-Hou and Chi-tzu

and their negative effects were to be propitiated by the tantric Buddhist

deity Tejaprabha..

Regarding the swakshetra, exaltation and mulatrikona placements of

the nodes, he quotes from 11 Jyotish texts including the Bhavartha Ratnakara,

the Sarvartha Cintamani, the Bhuvana Dipaka, Sanketanidhi, Phaladepika,

Jataka Chandrika and others for their conclusions.

6 of the above texts give Rahu's swakshetra as Virgo and 1 for Aquarius.

5 give Ketu's swakshetra as Pisces and 1 for Scorpio.

5 give Rahu's exaltation as Gemini, 1 for Taurus and 1 for Scorpio.

4 give Ketu's exaltation as Sagittarius, 2 for Aquarius and 1 for Scorpio.

2 give Rahu's Mulatrikona as Aquarius, 1 for Pisces, 1 for Gemini, and 1 for

Cancer. 2 give Ketu's Mulatrikona as Leo, 1 for Virgo, 1 for Sagittarius, and

1 for Capricorn.

Personally I get good results for Rahu in Taurus and Gemini. Rahu in

Taurus in the 11th receiving the aspect of Jupiter can give immense wealth.

Check the charts of George W. Bush, Donald Trump and junk bond king (who

made billions) Michael Milken, for the above combination.

However, I found an article on iconography that you might find interesting, by

Arcangela Santoro at:

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Art/pendzikent_dragon.htm

titled "On The Two Intertwined Dragons from Pendzikent."

Santoro discusses the iconography of some unearthed middle eastern sculptures of

entertwined dragons and mentions that throughout the pre-Siddhantic period up

until the 6th century CE, only Rahu was mentioned in ancient texts as being

"responsible" for eclipses, whereas Ketu remained only as a comet in the

earlier period.

Thanks much for the above link and your thoughts on this subject--I'll

check it out.

An interesing quote I found today in the Hora Sara seems to call up a

link between Ketu and it's description as a comet: "Ketu has strength in

the second portion of Satittarius. He is also strong in Pisces, Virgo, and

Taurus and in night or when a rainbow or a meteor is noticed"

Best wishes,

Steve

[Guest guest]

Dear Juliana and Steve,

 

'Rajputana' term did not exist in times

of varahmihir. The rajputs themselves came into limelight about a thousand

years after Varahmihir. Varahmihir was born in Ujjain, which was never in

'rajputana' or present day Rajasthan. Ujjain lies in central India, in

Madhya Pradesh.

 

And this claim that Rajasthan was once part of Iran is totally

falsified. If varahmihira was of Iranic descent, then I am also Iranic,

because I am a full-blooded rajasthani.

 

 

Sorry to contradict, but history should not be distorted like this.

It is strange that most of the authors refered to in the article are

Indians.

 

Sun worshipping is not alien to India. In fact, Gayatri mantra

itself is used to worship sun. There have been many sun-temples in India.

Sun temple of Konark and of Modera in Gujarat are some examples.

 

The article in question can mislead western readers who are ignorant

of India's rich heritage, but we Indians cannot digest its claims which are

totally absurd.

 

 

Ashutosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Juliana Swanson <omhamsa

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Friday, August 12, 2005 18:30

Re: More on Ketu.....Steven

 

 

> Hi Steve,

>

> In the link you sent to "Varahamihira, a Great Iranic astronomer,"

> one of the author's points is that "what is often termed as 'Vedic

> astronomy' or 'Vedic astrology' is a misnomer; the ancient Vedic

> astronomy of the Vedanga Jyotisha is Harappan and hence should

> correctly be termed 'Afro-Dravidian astronomy,' whilst later 'Vedic

> astronomy' should be termed 'Iranic astronomy.'" The author says

> that the Surya Siddhanta is Iranic in origin, and that Varahamihira,

> father of "modern" Indian astrology, was a Maga Brahman (Iranian),

> born in Rajputana which was part of Iran during his time, and that

> he was connected to the more modern astrological system of Surya

> Siddhanta as opposed to the earlier Vedanga Jyotisha.

>

> re: what you wrote: "It seems that Ketu gradually achieved it's

> status as the south Node sometime after the 6th century AD....or

> not?... Stone suggests that Ketu's origins as the descending node

> may have arisen as part of Tantric astrology"...I do not know

> anything about this except what I have read here and there about the

> nodes having Tantric signficance in many different cultures.

>

> However, I found an article on iconography that you might find

> interesting, by Arcangela Santoro at:

> http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Art/pendzikent_dragon.htm

> titled "On The Two Intertwined Dragons from Pendzikent."

>

> Santoro discusses the iconography of some unearthed middle eastern

> sculptures of entertwined dragons and mentions that throughout the

> pre-Siddhantic period up until the 6th century CE, only Rahu was

> mentioned in ancient texts as being "responsible" for eclipses,

> whereas Ketu remained only as a comet in the earlier period.

>

> Santoro then proposes, however, that, "unlike the substantially

> concordant and ancient textual tradition, the corresponding

> iconographic tradition belongs to different periods (from the sixth

> century CE in the Indian area to the twelfth century CE for the

> Iranian area) and is figuratively discordant, the Indian being

> anthropomorphic, and the Islamic zoomorphic or abstract. And to the

> latter, the node theme is fundamental." I believe some of what the

> author proposes relates to the discovery that the malefic eclipse

> points were depicted as entertwined demons in iconography as far

> back as the earlier era of Vedanga Jyotisha that preceded the era of

> Surya Siddhanta, but that both the dragons were more directly linked

> to the lunar nodes in the later period.

>

> Like you, I wish I knew more on this fascinating topic if anyone

> with this knowledge can please enlighten us further.

>

> Best,

> Juliana

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

I would judge that the very strange folk of India, the Higera, so shunned

and despised but so necessary for spontaneous blessings of wed and bed,

are governed by Ketu...probably with a Mars in attendance. Would you agree?

Dark*Star

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Steven Stuckey wrote:

 

 

re: what you wrote: "It seems that Ketu gradually achieved it's

status as the south Node sometime after the 6th century AD....or

not?... Stone suggests that Ketu's origins as the descending node

may have arisen as part of Tantric astrology".

[Guest guest]

Dark Star wrote:

Hi Steve, I would judge that the very strange folk of India, the Higera, so shunned

and despised but so necessary for spontaneous blessings of wed and bed,

are governed by Ketu...probably with a Mars in attendance. Would you agree?

Dark*Star

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Hi Dark Star,

I think you mean the 'Hijra' ?

The word 'transgender' may come closer to describing their sexual behavior

(rather than eunuch).. I"ve seen too few of these charts (transgender) to

draw a conclusion, although I've seen many gay and lesbian charts.

Perhaps you are on the right track....Nodes/Mars and maybe on toVenus/Uranus?

Why are you thinking of Ketu specifically?

An example chart I have in my files is that of Christine Jorgensen--born a male

and changed to a 'female' in 1950 through 3 surgeries and 2000 hormone

injections. Christine would be more accurately called a 'transsexual'.

Data: born May 30, 1926 @ 9:00 AM in New York City.

One might try comparing this chart to that of Marilyn Monroe, born two days

later on June 1, 1926 @ 9:30 AM in Los Angeles, since sexuality was a major

theme in both lives. (Both charts give Cancer lagna).

Best,

Steve