Debt in terms of Goravani, VALIST, your post

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Dear Rick,

 

Thanks for this post. Made me realize how charity (Ju?), debt (Sa, Ma, 6th),

theft (stealing

the nectar) and poverty (Sa) can sometimes be seen as interrelated, or closer

knit in the

karmic matrix than I feel comfortable to admit. This is all said with the spirit

of ultimate

forebearance -- I am not accusing anyone of anything here, just trying to riff

off the post

and think out loud, astrologically.

 

When I am going through tough times, I often turn to Vedic Astrology and my

natal chart

for insight. Perhaps this can be seen as "pathological" or "compulsive" -- Rahu

in 1st, Ret.

Sa in 8th -- or some form of spiritual materialism (like my synastry request)

but we are

living in a psychological, material world. And lately for myself that has come

down to living

with debt. Rather than go with the "woe- is- me or "woe- is- the- system"

approach, I try

to see what are my patterns. What am I denying? What card am I playing too

often? Where

do I surrender? Where do I put in more hustle (in the effort, not the swindling,

sense) Is

this a valid use of the chart? For transformation, as some modern Astrologers

hold, or just

for timing our come-uppance?

 

A Vedic Astrology web site by Barbara Pijan Lama has a good take on the

potential karmic

meaning of debt and bankruptcy, issues ruled by the 6th and 8th house. I

appreciate her

writing as she seems to be able to communicate the science from a western

perspective.

Something you do well.

 

http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/Topics/debt_handling.htm

 

One of my main reactions to my situation is to get overwhelmed, and indulge in

what is

perhaps a Mars-like, all- or- nothing approach. I can't beat it all at once and

vanquish it

with finality, so I let it suck me dry, slowly (Sa in the 8th?).

 

But it feels good for someone with Rahu in lagna aspecting Ju early in Pisces in

5th with

Venus to spend and enjoy luxuries with "OPM,other peoples money" (quote

from Das's

old writings). Having Ju and Ve in the 5th house aspect by Rahu in 1st and Mo

in 11th I

sometimes spend with a big smile on my face, and am generous without the Big-

kid,

Saturnine calculations that are perhaps necessary to give the gestures weight

and merit. It

doesn't feel good with Sa in the 8th to impose retrictions on myself. Have I

earned these

enjoyments that I bestow on myself and others? Can we use our chart to analyze

our own

patterns? Or better, can we ever even resist looking under our own hoods? Could

Rahu

have stopped himself from cutting in line? Could Prometheus have not stolen

fire?

 

Thanks for your attention,

 

Namaste.

 

David

 

 

valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

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> Hi Dharmesh,

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> Saw your post. I didn¹t put it through to my list, though I kindof wanted

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> It would cause politics and so forth that my list is currently free from.

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> I know that SJC causes a lot of political and angry feelings in many.

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> I am not happy that JHL is free, because I live by selling my program.

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> Ever since it came out, (JHL), I make far less money. I live on the edge of

> poverty now. That one and other free things are at least partially

> responsible for this happening in my life. Oh well. I can¹t control the

> world. Such is life.

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> I am trying to rectify that by soon releasing Jyotish Studio 3, my upgrade

> to my current Goravani Jyotish Software program which I am quite SURE

> everyone will find to be VERY different from EVERYTHING else.

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> I do not want heavy SJC politics and bashing on my peaceful list.

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> I believe in a free world, free economies, and freedom to do as one likes.

> If they like to give everything free, that is their right, but it does harm

> others. I personally believe that nothing is free. I think charity is a

> risky and dangerous thing, and even the Bhag. Gita says this.

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