Anti Tom and Cruise Depressants - Steven

[Guest guest]

Hey Steven,

 

I was wondering, you say you looked at 135 charts of

people suffering from depression and saw certain

planetary configerations stand out. Did you compare

these to 'other' charts?

 

I have a Sun/Jup 3 deg square, Jup/Node 1 deg square,

Ven/Jup 2 deg sextile, Mars/Mer 0 deg conjunction, and

a Moon/Node conjunction (though it is 6 degrees and

therefore out of your orb). Either way, I have almost

half of your total possibles, yet I've never been on

anti-depressants or suffered from depression. Of

course, I'm not dead yet, so it's possible that I

still have it in my future. I don't know what dasa I'm

in, though if I had to guess, I'd peg it as Saturn -

so maybe it's coming. I'll let you know.

 

Obviously no rule or guiding principle applies to

everyone, but at what point can you look at a chart

and predict or 'diagnose' (if you will) depression (or

Alzheimer's [sp?], or any other thing we look for in

peoples' charts) without already knowing in advance

that the person has depression or whatever we're

looking for? Afterall, it's different to look at a

chart for confirmations than to see something without

prior knowledge. Then again, Rick/Das looked at my

chart once a couple of years ago and assertively

stated an event in my past and he was dead on right

without any prior knowledge. So, obviously some things

are 'clear'.

 

In a way, if one believes that all is predetermined,

then it would make sense for the chart to show

something will happen 'for sure' (duh, if

predetermined). But if those people who believe that

we can alter our fate (although we may never actually

do so) are right, then it would make sense for the

chart to merely show tendencies, or possibilities.

What do you think?

 

I know that's kind of two questions in one but since

you seem to do a lot of chart research, and therefore

must be interested, I'm wondering what your thoughts

are.

 

 

 

--- Steven Stuckey <steven wrote:

>

> In a look at 135 charts of people suffering from

> depression a few things

> by way of planetary configurations seem to stand

> out. These combinations

> repeat irrespective of the aspect harmonic or orb of

> aspect used. The

> following combinations occur more frequently than

> other aspects using

> 4th, 6th, 8th and 12th harmnonic aspects (these

> include conjunction,

> semi-sextile, sextile, trine, semi-square,

> sesqui-square, square,

> opposition, and quincunx in various combinations)

> with close orbs of

> aspect between 3 degrees to 5 degrees only.

> These are: Sun/Jupiter, Jupiter/Node,

> Jupiter/Ascendant, Venus/Jupiter,

> Mars/Jupiter,Mercury/Moon, Mercury/Mars,

> Mercury/Node, and Moon/Node.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mary Quinn wrote:

 

>Hey Steven,

>

>I was wondering, you say you looked at 135 charts of

>people suffering from depression and saw certain

>planetary configurations stand out. Did you compare

>these to 'other' charts?

>

 

Hi Mary,

 

No, not in this particular instance, but I have looked at other

collections of various different groups i.e. 'long lived', 'short

lived', 'astrologers', 'actors', 'Parkinson's' etc. and have not seen

this type of result where Jupiter and Mercury seemed to stand out. A

'control' group (as you suggest) is an important factor here.

 

 

 

>I have a Sun/Jup 3 deg square, Jup/Node 1 deg square,

>Ven/Jup 2 deg sextile, Mars/Mer 0 deg conjunction, and

>a Moon/Node conjunction (though it is 6 degrees and

>therefore out of your orb). Either way, I have almost

>half of your total possible, yet I've never been on

>anti-depressants or suffered from depression. Of

>course, I'm not dead yet, so it's possible that I

>still have it in my future. I don't know what dasa I'm

>in, though if I had to guess, I'd peg it as Saturn -

>so maybe it's coming. I'll let you know.

>

 

 

This is a very complex subject and this was a very quick and incomplete

look at it. In some cases, these individuals were not 'always'

depressed, but suffered at certain times in their lives. Take the case

of Brooke Shields, who just came out publicly against the statements of

Tom Cruise. She became depressed due to giving birth (also known as post

pardum depression). She has a couple of the Jupiter factors in her

chart. I haven't looked, but her chart was probably activated in some

way at the time, due to transits or dasa.

I more typically go looking for combinations of Moon/Mercury

/Saturn/Node to explain depression. It makes sense though that

afflictions to Jupiter could be a factor as well. I would have to spend

much more time on this to come up with anything really 'useable'.

 

 

 

>Obviously no rule or guiding principle applies to

>everyone, but at what point can you look at a chart

>and predict or 'diagnose' (if you will) depression (or

>Alzheimer's [sp?], or any other thing we look for in

>peoples' charts) without already knowing in advance

>that the person has depression or whatever we're

>looking for? Afterall, it's different to look at a

>chart for confirmations than to see something without

>prior knowledge. Then again, Rick/Das looked at my

>chart once a couple of years ago and assertively

>stated an event in my past and he was dead on right

>without any prior knowledge. So, obviously some things

>are 'clear'.

>

 

 

To find an astrological 'signature' for a disease is no easy task. We

may also be under the assumption that a signature exists, when it may

also be possible that there is no such thing. Some things 'are clear'

as you say and most of us have had experiences like this (when we could

see something clearly and predict ahead of time). Lumping a large

number of charts together and looking for combinations that stand out

for a particular group may never yield the type of result that one could

get by a sincere 'one on one' read between astrologer and client. This

look at 'depressed' charts was not a statistical approach, but more a

look at planetary tabulations. Attempting to prove astrological tenets

statistically has always been a 'bugaboo'. The Universe seems to be

reluctant to reveal Her secrets. :>))

 

 

 

>In a way, if one believes that all is predetermined,

>then it would make sense for the chart to show

>something will happen 'for sure' (duh, if

>predetermined). But if those people who believe that

>we can alter our fate (although we may never actually

>do so) are right, then it would make sense for the

>chart to merely show tendencies, or possibilities.

>What do you think?

>

 

 

There are various explanations for this, especially coming from the

East, regarding different types of karmas. Some karmas we may be able to

alter slightly, others are fixed.

Where 'fate' ends and 'free will' begins is anyones guess--I leave the

resolution of this question up to the saints.

 

I have tried my own experiments with this however, and found that with

few exceptions, the expected event took place on schedule, despite my

careful attempts to 'dodge' it. Two particular cases that come to mind

were instances where I tried to avoid very negative transits against my

own chart by staying home for several days and not going out. I had

enough supplies by way of food etc that I did not need to go out and

therefore was going to'control' the event.

In one event, I was doing some light stretching work (as I had done

hundreds of times before), on one of those large exercise balls. I was

stretched out on my back and slightly arching on the ball, about three

feet above the hardwood floor, when the ball burst unexpectedly and I

came crashing down on the floor. This required a few trips to the

chiropractor to straighten out.

The next event (after the ball breaking), I was determined to do

nothing, and stayed home and watched movies. I got through it with no

ill effects (or so I thought).

About two weeks later, I noticed a horrible smell coming from under the

house and had to call a plumber. It turned out my sewer line had broken

and had been leaking raw sewage. The plumber estimated that it had

started about two weeks prior (during my 'careful' period).

 

I'm more inclined to believe that we are powerfully under the control

of planetary energy and that we may be able to make slight changes with

a continuous and determined effort. My motto from the I

Ching--"perserverance furthers".

 

 

>Best wishes,

>

 

Steve

 

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