Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2005 Dear John, Pay attention to any saturn related physical ailments like arthritis, nervous system related weakness, etc. Saturn-guru dasha and present saturn in lagna alongwith the omen related to pigeons signify health problems in near future. Regards, Ashutosh. - John <jr_esq <valist> Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:07 Pigeons as an Omen > To all members: > > After several months of chasing away pigeons from the house, I've come > to a conclusion these pigeons must be part of my chart as they don't > seem to go away. According to some jyotish texts, pigeons can be > signifed by Saturn, which happens to be located in my third house. For > the record, I found out that my neighbor, who is elderly and somewhat > senile, is feeding these pigeons during the afternoons. As such, the > birds are constantly flocking in the neighborhood. > > Aside from using aggressive methods of eradicating these birds, does > anyone know of other noninvasive methods (preferably a natural one) > that can do the job just as well? > > Or, are these birds an omen of things to come? If so, what do they > signify? > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > _________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2005 Dear Shabnam / John, We have an ancient custom where after a person is cremated there is a rite to be performed. It involves offering food to the crows. If the crow/s comes & immediately peck the food it means that the deceased was fulfilled & had no wishes / worries left. He will be at peace. If the crow doesn't peck (they actually hover around but refuse to eat ) then the close family members have to guess at what the last wish was & say that he will ensure it is done. The minute the right button is pressed the crow/s come & eat. My own experience & of my family's is that it works 100% Surf --- Bioacoustics <bioacoustics wrote: > Dear John, > > I`d say pigeons & sparrows represent ordinary city > folk which would tie up > with a younger Saturnian energy ? I have read birds > represent Surya but > also Rahu, so am confused. > Doves look like pigeons yet are different somehow. > What might they represent > ? I get these visiting our house. > > I have noticed that the tits, sparrows & woodpeckers > eat the animal fat & > seed balls I hang up but the doves & some other > species like finches will > only touch the seeds I fill in a bird house. > > I used to aggressively shoo away the neighbours cats > which were always > hanging around trying to kill all the birds I feed, > until I realized that > nature in its wisdom, brings to us what we need. > Now I let the birds & cats get on whith their thing > & just do my bit feeding > them without any charge either way. > > Perhaps you might also take the visit of the pegeons > as an oppotunity to > clear some karmik debt. > > my garden also houses a wild but friendly fox, some > headghogs, salamanders & > frogs. I feed them all. > > I had a pond full of fish but one day recently, a > crane came along & fished > it clean. I`m sad about this & am sure its an omen > of some sort. The chinese > say fish represent wealth. Its no wonder I`m being > taken to the cleaners > recently..... > > I would love to know what all the birds & animals > represent if you or > someone else knows it. > > It will be interesting to read other posts about the > pigeons. > > Hari Om ! > > Shabnam > > > valist > [valist]On Behalf Of > John > Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:37 AM > valist > Pigeons as an Omen > > > To all members: > > After several months of chasing away pigeons from > the house, I've come > to a conclusion these pigeons must be part of my > chart as they don't > seem to go away. According to some jyotish texts, > pigeons can be > signifed by Saturn, which happens to be located in > my third house. For > the record, I found out that my neighbor, who is > elderly and somewhat > senile, is feeding these pigeons during the > afternoons. As such, the > birds are constantly flocking in the neighborhood. > > Aside from using aggressive methods of eradicating > these birds, does > anyone know of other noninvasive methods (preferably > a natural one) > that can do the job just as well? > > Or, are these birds an omen of things to come? If > so, what do they > signify? > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > > > > : > > > Links > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Thanks Surf, Will put that in my memory bank. hari Om ! Shabnam valist [valist]On Behalf Of surfgold Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:48 PM valist Pigeons as an Omen Dear Shabnam / John, We have an ancient custom where after a person is cremated there is a rite to be performed. It involves offering food to the crows. If the crow/s comes & immediately peck the food it means that the deceased was fulfilled & had no wishes / worries left. He will be at peace. If the crow doesn't peck (they actually hover around but refuse to eat ) then the close family members have to guess at what the last wish was & say that he will ensure it is done. The minute the right button is pressed the crow/s come & eat. My own experience & of my family's is that it works 100% Surf --- Bioacoustics <bioacoustics wrote: > Dear John, > > I`d say pigeons & sparrows represent ordinary city > folk which would tie up > with a younger Saturnian energy ? I have read birds > represent Surya but > also Rahu, so am confused. > Doves look like pigeons yet are different somehow. > What might they represent > ? I get these visiting our house. > > I have noticed that the tits, sparrows & woodpeckers > eat the animal fat & > seed balls I hang up but the doves & some other > species like finches will > only touch the seeds I fill in a bird house. > > I used to aggressively shoo away the neighbours cats > which were always > hanging around trying to kill all the birds I feed, > until I realized that > nature in its wisdom, brings to us what we need. > Now I let the birds & cats get on whith their thing > & just do my bit feeding > them without any charge either way. > > Perhaps you might also take the visit of the pegeons > as an oppotunity to > clear some karmik debt. > > my garden also houses a wild but friendly fox, some > headghogs, salamanders & > frogs. I feed them all. > > I had a pond full of fish but one day recently, a > crane came along & fished > it clean. I`m sad about this & am sure its an omen > of some sort. The chinese > say fish represent wealth. Its no wonder I`m being > taken to the cleaners > recently..... > > I would love to know what all the birds & animals > represent if you or > someone else knows it. > > It will be interesting to read other posts about the > pigeons. > > Hari Om ! > > Shabnam > > > valist > [valist]On Behalf Of > John > Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:37 AM > valist > Pigeons as an Omen > > > To all members: > > After several months of chasing away pigeons from > the house, I've come > to a conclusion these pigeons must be part of my > chart as they don't > seem to go away. According to some jyotish texts, > pigeons can be > signifed by Saturn, which happens to be located in > my third house. For > the record, I found out that my neighbor, who is > elderly and somewhat > senile, is feeding these pigeons during the > afternoons. As such, the > birds are constantly flocking in the neighborhood. > > Aside from using aggressive methods of eradicating > these birds, does > anyone know of other noninvasive methods (preferably > a natural one) > that can do the job just as well? > > Or, are these birds an omen of things to come? If > so, what do they > signify? > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > > > > : > > > Links > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Dear Juliana, A person running budha dasa ,who is also running second phase of sadesathi, found pigeons in the apt , ( a bathroom ventilator galss broke and they came in.) One of the pigeons was dead. Does it signify anything ? should the person be careful about his health or any other aspects of life, what does it mean exactly. Please reply Aruna Juliana Swanson <swanzzz wrote: Re: "I have read birds represent Surya but also Rahu, so am confused,"...and, sorry to make you more confused, but I learned that: 1) Flying mammals and birds are represented by Budha and Sani. 2) Four-legged creatures (like horses and cows) are ruled by Surya and Mangala. 3) Two-legged creatures (like humans) are ruled by Guru and Sukra. 4) Rodents/Reptiles/Insects/Arthropods are ruled by Chandra, Rahu and Ketu. There seem to be different opinions, as usual. Could this be related to S. Indian versus N. Indian styles, anyone? Thanks, Juliana Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 20, 2005 Thanks Juliana, I will check out the site of Dr Kamat. You didnt mention foxes. How would they fit in with Surya & Mangla ? ( four legged ) Would they represent some affliction or weakness of the above planets, for the residents of the house ? Like I said, there is a lone one living in our garden for years. Dogs too are four legged but I read that stray ones belong to Shani & black ones to Ketu. Just picking your brain...... Hari Om ! Shabnam valist [valist]On Behalf Of Juliana Swanson Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:27 PM valist Re: Pigeons as an Omen Re: "I have read birds represent Surya but also Rahu, so am confused,"...and, sorry to make you more confused, but I learned that: 1) Flying mammals and birds are represented by Budha and Sani. 2) Four-legged creatures (like horses and cows) are ruled by Surya and Mangala. 3) Two-legged creatures (like humans) are ruled by Guru and Sukra. 4) Rodents/Reptiles/Insects/Arthropods are ruled by Chandra, Rahu and Ketu. There seem to be different opinions, as usual. Could this be related to S. Indian versus N. Indian styles, anyone? Thanks, Juliana Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 20, 2005 --- Juliana Swanson <swanzzz wrote: > Specifically, > sparrows symbolize solitude, lowliness (as you > mentioned something > to do with the common person), fertility (associated > with Aphrodite) > and loyalty. Evidently, loyalty is presumed because > sparrows are very social birds. Hi Juliana, I just caught myself reading all these symbology posts as if we were discussing rules instead of guidelines. Your sparrow 'meanings' just jolted me into reality. Thanks! Now that I'm thinking, I'd think that the person who sees the symbol or dreams the dream would have to look at the list of suggested meanings and choose which resonates with them. Regarding the sparrow. I can see 'lowliness'. I could understand friendship (since they come by often), I could see 'daily routine' - but 'fertility'? Wow. I'm impressed. [Now I have images of birds wandering through my head trying to see which would mean fertility to me. I'm thinking I have strange ideas about fertility.] How does one get 'solitude' from a social bird? I can see solitude with a hummingbird, but I'm stumped on the sparrow. Either way, having fun following this thread. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 20, 2005 The parrot is called "Shuka" in Sanskrit, and it's meaning is to "repeat" like how they repeat what you say. It goes deeper than that. Parrots can also read your mind, and thus repeat what you're thinking. This is true. It's been proven recently in NY with one parrot who says what it's owner thinks. So birds in general are probably somewhat phychic. Thus, they externally show us what we are thinking. Thus, they may appear to "know the truth" about what is going on such as a crow landing on the window sill of someone about to die. Dogs too are psychic. This too is proven. So animals are omens because they sense the reality just as planets are aligned with all reality, which is aligned with them. The reader reads what is. Animals are readers. Read them and you see what is. Animals are not dumb. Nor do they lack speech. They speak, and are smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 20, 2005 Rupert Sheldrake, the scientist who invented the concept of the morphogenic field did a large study of psychic powers in animals. One of the most fascinating was a psychic parrot who could tell -- and speak verbally, in Enlish -- what its owner was doing at any particular time, whether they were outside the house or not. He covers this amazing investigation in his book "The Sense of Being Stared At" which is an excellent read. Also many examples of psychic powers in dogs in that book. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ detail/-/1400051290/qid=1119292845/sr=8-1/ ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/104-7760874-1509538?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 Although this can sound virtually wacko when you talk about it, Sheldrake is a highly-respected scientist and goes to great lengths to insure that these animals really are doing what it seems like they're doing. M. Michael W. Taft Vedic Astrologer P.O. Box 29851 Los Angeles, CA 90029 www.jyotish.net 323-663-6042 On Jun 20, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Das Goravani wrote: > > The parrot is called "Shuka" in Sanskrit, and it's meaning is to > "repeat" > like how they repeat what you say. > > It goes deeper than that. > > Parrots can also read your mind, and thus repeat what you're thinking. > > This is true. It's been proven recently in NY with one parrot who > says what > it's owner thinks. > > So birds in general are probably somewhat phychic. Thus, they > externally > show us what we are thinking. Thus, they may appear to "know the > truth" > about what is going on such as a crow landing on the window sill of > someone > about to die. > > Dogs too are psychic. This too is proven. > > So animals are omens because they sense the reality just as planets > are > aligned with all reality, which is aligned with them. The reader > reads what > is. Animals are readers. Read them and you see what is. > > Animals are not dumb. Nor do they lack speech. They speak, and are > smart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 21, 2005 Dear Das, The instinct is more developed in animals and birds than in humans. They also have an ability to sense ones intentions. About twelve years ago, I visited one of my friends. As I was sitting in the living room and chatting with his family members, a small pomeranian dog came in and, jumping on the sofa, sat besides me. I patted him and he calmly sat relaxed there. Everybody else was surprised about that pet's behaviour because it had a habit of non-stop barking at the visitors. And here he was humble and quiet and also enjoying a gentle caress from me on his head. I told them that I too had a dog in my home and this dog of theirs must have sensed my caring intentions about animals. I have observed that people who like throwing stones at dogs, are always welcomed with furious barkings by dogs in all the homes they visit. I judge dogs by their eyes. They are really very expressive. My pet dog had an allusion that he was a human child in a dog's body. I can write an epic on him. Ashutosh. - Das Goravani <> <valist> Monday, June 20, 2005 23:21 Re: Pigeons as an Omen > > The parrot is called "Shuka" in Sanskrit, and it's meaning is to "repeat" > like how they repeat what you say. > > It goes deeper than that. > > Parrots can also read your mind, and thus repeat what you're thinking. > > This is true. It's been proven recently in NY with one parrot who says what > it's owner thinks. > > So birds in general are probably somewhat phychic. Thus, they externally > show us what we are thinking. Thus, they may appear to "know the truth" > about what is going on such as a crow landing on the window sill of someone > about to die. > > Dogs too are psychic. This too is proven. > > So animals are omens because they sense the reality just as planets are > aligned with all reality, which is aligned with them. The reader reads what > is. Animals are readers. Read them and you see what is. > > Animals are not dumb. Nor do they lack speech. They speak, and are smart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > _________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites