Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on retrograde plants

May 24, 2005

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Prakash, Namaskar

How are you doing with your predictions, apart from the rise in

spirituality?

If you notice the AV points of Saturn in Gemini, Cancer & Leo,

things will become much more clear for you.

Your Sat is also in exchange with Mer.

You have vargottama lagna ( normally gives srong views), which

makes a conditional dasa applicable in your case.

i am pointing to a few things, which you can work on (normally with

one's own chart it is difficult to be unbiased).

(i too have Sukla Trayodasi moon in Ardra, but in 8th house and

with Mar ® And i got hammered. i have experienced nothing like

this in my earlier 19 yrs of Sat dasa or in my whole life of 44 yrs!)

Generally, an unafflicted Moon, strong (with good paksha bala), well

placed (not in dusthanas from Lagna) are indicators for low

fluctuations in fortune/ menatal peace of the native during the Sade

sathi/ kanataka/ artha kantaka shani. Add to the above Sat getting

good no of points in its AV and you have a case for Sani giving yoga

during its above transits (provided other things permit, like being

a yoga karaka etc.,).

These are my observations with the ongoing Sade sathi, with a third

remaining!!

regards

Surya

valist, "Prakash Kandpal" <Pck@c...> wrote:

> Dear Shri Gurudatta Dash ji,

>

> Yes, you have analysed the situation very positively and I agree

with almost all of your points.

>

> Saturn has 3 SAV points in Gemini and is affected by Jupiter (5th

aspect), Mars (7th aspect) & Moon (all beneifc planets for Cancer

ascendant-also moon is powerful since I was born on Shukla

Trayodashi). My observation is also similar to yours with respect

to Saturn working more as a benefic than a malefic. Saturn also

happens to occupy Punarvasu asterism that is ruled by Jupiter.

>

> There is "dainya yoga" because of exchange of Mercury (in

Capricorn) & Saturn retrograde (in Gemini). To view this in

totality you may like to analyse/see the chart. The birth details

are as follows:

>

> DOB - 25th January, 1975

> TOB - 5 PM

> POB - Almora, Uttaranchal, India (earlier UP)

> 29.37 N 79.40 E

>

> Saturn occupies Aries (10th house) in D-9 chart together with Sun.

>

> I see some changes at the career level, can you please see this.

I am seeing changes for more than 7-8 months on this count.

>

> On the mental state, I have become spiritual and philosophical

over the last few years and like to watch spiritual channels and

listen to present day saints; have also got interest in listening

the devotional songs.

>

> Thanks for your comments.

>

> Regards,

> Prakash Kandpal

>

> -

> "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...>

> valist

> Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

retrograde plants

> Tue, 24 May 2005 13:17:19 +0530

>

> >

> > Dear sri Praksh

> >

> > you r correct in your observations. But u got good period in

retrograde

> > malefic Saturn Dasa , not because of the fact that it is

retrograde , but it

> > caused a yoga due its association with the yogakaarak and

ascendant lord

> > moon. Where as the aspect has much value as you have correctly

observed.

> >

> > it is a common rule of astrology that whenever a malefic joins a

benefic the

> > Dasa period of malefic gives good result and the Dasa of benefic

not so good

> > result.

> >

> > And in this case it is doubly so as

> >

> > A VEEPARITA RAAJAYOGA IS ALSO CASUSED DUE TO THE PLACE MENT

OF 8TH LORD IN

> > 12TH . IT IS THIS YOGA THAT GAVE U GOOD RESULT LARGELY.

> >

> > now retrogression of a planet only causes the strength to

increase , so your

> > Saturn which is a neutral for cancer ascendant becomes a

practically benefic

> > planet as it is in association with moon , the Lagna lord. And

involved in

> > Veeparita Raajayoga , also if it is being aspected by benefices

such as

> > yogakaarak mars or Jupiter then it would surely give good result.

> >

> > so the whether a planet would operate as Subha or papa in its

Dasa period

> > depends on its placement, whether it is involved in any yoga is

or not and

> > the total configuration and not just one aspect as you have

correctly

> > observed.

> >

> > And if a planet is involved in a powerful yoga, the ordinary

effects would

> > be superseded by the Yoga-effect.

> >

> > Also, most of a time a planet when posited in the yoga -causing

planets

> > asterism gives benefic result even though it may be it self evil

and may be

> > in bad house.

> >

> > now whenever a planet is in mithuna , it would be either in the

asterism of

> > mars . Rahu or Jupiter . Mars and Jupiter being high rate yoga

karakas for

> > cancer Lagna, many a time any planet in the 12 th house of loss

for cancer

> > ascendant instead of giving bad results give very good results .

> >

> > and for this reason only an exalted Venus in Pisces in the

asterism of

> > mercury even though strong and in Bhaagya Bhaava , most

auspicious place in

> > a horoscope almost always gives adverse results in its Dasa or

bhukti, as

> > mercury is high rate malefic for cancer ascendant.

> >

> > so my humble opinion is that your Saturn placed with Lagna lord

moon in the

> > asterism of a benefic and involved in a Veeparita Raajayoga for

all

> > practical purposes would operate as benefic in its Dasa and

bhukti and the

> > retrogression only adds to its strength.

> >

> > However such a placement of moon may cause sometimes deep

depression and may

> > lead to secluded life and a strange vacancy in the heart.

Emotional

> > frustrations are sometimes seen in such cases. However this

observation of

> > mine should be modified in accordance with the other planetary

situations.

> >

> > and as per your reference to SADESATI, or transits of planets it

is

> > misleading to sudy the effect without taking help of

ASTAKAVARGA , if the

> > sign transited by Saturn has got more benefic points it would

surely give

> > good results whether it is Sadesati or not.

> >

> > Some experts opine that the 2nd round of Sadesati usually not as

adverse as

> > others.

> >

> > We are grateful to you for sharing your observations with us

giving us a

> > practical matter to study and it surely helped me to augment my

experience

> > in vedic astrology.

> >

> > Thanking you

> >

> > Gurudatta Dash

> >

> > -

> > "Prakash Kandpal" <Pck@c...>

> > <valist>

> > Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:36 AM

> > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations

on

> > retrograde plants

> >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Dont know about other's experiences but I am going through

malefic &

> > retrograde Saturn's dasa, sadesaati, Saturn return etc. and its

good and I

> > have progressed in this more than in benefic planets dasa.

> > >

> > > I have Cancer ascendant and retrograde Saturn occupies 12th

house with

> > Moon.

> > >

> > > I think aspects count a lot on such retrograde planet besides

the

> > planetary exchanges relating to the house where the planet is

retrograde

> > also it need to be seen whether the planet that is retrograde is

yogakaraka

> > or not both from the Moon & ascendant specifically.

> > >

> > > The planets need to be seen in totality rather than just being

seen as

> > retrograde or direct.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Prakash

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...>

> > > valist

> > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some

obseravations on

> > retrograde plants

> > > Tue, 24 May 2005 00:20:54 +0530

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear sri Tarun

> > > >

> > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when

retrograde is an

> > asset

> > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is

supported by

> > ancient

> > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the

effect may be

> > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is .

sometimes it

> > may

> > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct.

> > > >

> > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and

if the

> > lagan is

> > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same.

> > > >

> > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the

effects but

> > can

> > > > not change the nature of the planet.

> > > >

> > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with

him, he

> > could

> > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees

his power of

> > > > doing good would surely increase.

> > > >

> > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he

would not

> > help

> > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize

this amount for

> > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of

evil would

> > only

> > > > increase.

> > > >

> > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices.

> > > >

> > > > Gurudatta Dash

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst>

> > > > <valist>

> > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM

> > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some

obseravations on

> > > > retrograde plants

> > > >

> > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the

rest of

> > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are

maelefic even

> > > > > jupiter or venus or some else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it

creates problem

> > > > > to native in every field..

> > > > >

> > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala..

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > tarun...

> > > > >

> > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash"

> > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful

and there

> > > > > BALA is

> > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the

AYURDAAYA i. e .

> > > > > longevity

> > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in

retrogression.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically

is a matter

> > > > > of

> > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the

retrogression

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > planet as the pivotal point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as

is expected

> > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in

> > > > > debilitation gives

> > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in

own house in

> > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become

very

> > > > > auspicious and

> > > > > > malefic very malefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when

they are

> > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes

successful where

> > > > > other

> > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its

dasa and

> > > > > bhukty

> > > > > > when retrograde.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when

retrograde are

> > > > > considered to

> > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite

auspicious

> > > > > result

> > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is

my 9 th

> > > > > lord and is

> > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in

exchange with an

> > > > > exalted

> > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case

gave good

> > > > > result

> > > > > > partly due to its retrogression

> > > > > > - > "~~Tarun~~"

<tarun_vst>

> > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies"

> > > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology"

> > > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM

> > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > hello learned members,,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in

lagna...then it

> > > > > gives a

> > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu

or rahu

> > > > > are always

> > > > > > retro..(as what i know)...

> > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a

car in

> > > > > backward

> > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any

thing behind

> > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special

drishti see

> > > > > behind

> > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro

it will

> > > > > count

> > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its

retro

> > > > > drishti will

> > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic

for virgo

> > > > > even lord of

> > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and

6th..)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a

> > > > > retro ...as rahu

> > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means

he dontknow

> > > > > right and

> > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do

it ...without

> > > > > thinking

> > > > > > it right or wrong...

> > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same

way...being

> > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and

thinks ...he is

> > > > > right but

> > > > > > he is wrong.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna

will say

> > > > > that the

> > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but

he will

> > > > > think he is

> > > > > > right...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tarun.....

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May 24, 2005

Dear Shri Gurudatta Dash ji,

I am not really sure about the birth time.

I think it is not noted as such since I was born in a village in Uttaranchal.

It may need some rectification, the technique of which I am not really aware of.

Best regards,

Prakash Kandpal

-

"Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d

valist

Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on retrograde

plants

Tue, 24 May 2005 20:38:20 +0530

>

> Dear sri Prakash,

>

> Considering that your birth time is 5 pm IST ( is it exact 5 pm?), 3rd

> degree of cancer rises in your ascendant , making it Vargottam. So Saturn

> shifts to Lagna in Bhava chart and my earlier reading that Veeparita

> Raajayoga is functional does not hold good. But the fact that Jupiter

> aspects fully the 7 th lord would make u more fortunate during the period

> due to the following verse from Jaatak Chandrikaa.

>

> KENDRA TRIKONA NAETAROU DOSHYUKTAABAPISWAYAM

>

> SAMABANDHAMAATRABALINOU BHABETAAM YOGAKAARAKOU.

>

> Meaning:

>

> Even if the lord of a Kendra and Kona are themselves blemished by the

> evil-lordship, still if they have a relation they would cause yoga.

>

> For cancer Lagna Jupiter is the lord of 9th Trikona but at the same time

> suffers from evil-lordship of 6th , and Saturn lord of 7th Kendra suffers

> from evil-lordship of 8th ; so there relation would be auspicious to the

> native. However since only EKETARA DRISTY exists the results would not be

> that intense.

>

> But as the Jupiter aspects the 12th house of loss ,I feel much good must

> not had been felt during Jupiter period even though it is lord of 9th. It

> must have gave u many sad experiences. Jupiter is also lacks necessary

> Sadbal to do good.

>

> However Sani is in more than one way qualified to give you good carrier

> opportunity.

>

> In Navaamsa its association with exalted Ravi , placement in 10 th and its

> connection with 2 yogakaarak in Raasi chart would see you much progress in

> carrier esp as the transit Saturn shifts to cancer releasing your natal

> Saturn and natal Moon after the month of May. Bhukti of mercury placed in

> 8th in Bhava ( though 7th in raasi chart ) in the asterism of yogakaarak

> Mars and in exalted Navaamsa should give u much in respect of position ,

> carrier and money matter as well as recognition despite many odds as it is

> placed 8th from Dasa lord. As mercury rules astrology u would progress well

> in that field also.

>

> Bhukti of Jupiter, Venus in Saturn Mahaadasaa would also be auspicious.

>

> However in your life you may observe that ;you may not get result as per

> your caliber and qualification as Lagna has more bindus than 11th Bhava

> which only contains 19 bindus ( auspicious points) and also 12 th house has

> more bindus than 11th in SAVAASTAKAVARGA.

>

> Dainya yoga is superseded by other good-yogas so its effect would be felt

> minimally.

>

A love relation is indicated as the 5th and 7th lords are connected with

> each other.

>

> However pl see if the time of birth is fully correct or not for as u r born

> in Rahu dasa a little difference may shift the timing of event to a great

> extent. And would shift the ascendant degree to some extent so making a

> change in Bhava chart.

>

Good time is ahead be happy.

>

> But this birth of yours would make u see many not-so-pleasant-realities of

> the world and sooner or latter it would make u shift your mind towards the

> supreme reality.

>

> May , HE bless you with divine knowledge , wisdom and foresight.

>

> Gurudatta Dash

>

-

> "Prakash Kandpal" <Pck

> <valist>

> Cc: <gurudatta_d

> Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:13 PM

> Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

> retrograde plants

>

> > Dear Shri Gurudatta Dash ji,

> >

> > Yes, you have analysed the situation very positively and I agree with

> almost all of your points.

> >

> > Saturn has 3 SAV points in Gemini and is affected by Jupiter (5th aspect),

> Mars (7th aspect) & Moon (all beneifc planets for Cancer ascendant-also moon

> is powerful since I was born on Shukla Trayodashi). My observation is also

> similar to yours with respect to Saturn working more as a benefic than a

> malefic. Saturn also happens to occupy Punarvasu asterism that is ruled by

> Jupiter.

> >

> > There is "dainya yoga" because of exchange of Mercury (in Capricorn) &

> Saturn retrograde (in Gemini). To view this in totality you may like to

> analyse/see the chart. The birth details are as follows:

> >

> > DOB - 25th January, 1975

> > TOB - 5 PM

> > POB - Almora, Uttaranchal, India (earlier UP)

> > 29.37 N 79.40 E

> >

> > Saturn occupies Aries (10th house) in D-9 chart together with Sun.

> >

> > I see some changes at the career level, can you please see this. I am

> seeing changes for more than 7-8 months on this count.

> >

> > On the mental state, I have become spiritual and philosophical over the

> last few years and like to watch spiritual channels and listen to present

> day saints; have also got interest in listening the devotional songs.

> >

> > Thanks for your comments.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Prakash Kandpal

> >

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May 25, 2005

Dear Shri Gurudatta Dash ji,

I am very concerned about my career. Where it is heading. After very tough 7-8

months now I am waiting for a favourable transfer within the company.

Do you see favourable time or I should look out. Or else do you see the chances

of my getting into any business.

Regards,

Prakash