Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Mr.Tarun You have to first to know thw astronomical phenomena about regtrogation. Rahu and ketu are being shadows ( no physical existence) - They are in fact points of intersection of other planets - when other planets are moving forward they look like moving backward. Regarding the retrogration of other planets - Make sure that at any given time any planet travel in its own orbit in a forward motion with its regular speed, - Retrogration is an apparent phenomena - recollect the experiment of putting a rod in a glass with some water - below the level of water the road appears to have taken a bend - but in reality there is no bend - this is an apparent phenomena - refer to the Keplars astronomical theory - planets orbit is in an oval shape around Sun- In an oval shape orbit at certain points when the object is moving the diataance from the central p oint - Sun - is more than other points. In ovel shape the distance from central point to other points differ. So whenever a planet is far off from the Sun 0 central poistion - it looks like retarded with refence to the Earth. So planets which are subject to retrogration (except luminaries) do apper like retarded at specific dostances and come back to direct motion on specific points ever time. Here you can observe the distance from sun is more than that of normal times when the planet is in retrogation - So a retrograde planet get less exposed to Sun heat - so less combust - so it is more stronger than in normal times - So in Hindu astrology it is said a retrograde planet is more stronger - this is only as far as the stregnth is considered - (malefic / benefic nature is different to strength - malefic getting more strength - or benefic getting more strength is an individual case study) As regards the strength of a retrograde planet - in Shadbalas - motional strength is attributed - In explaining the retrograde postion is is expressed as going back and getting direct motion - In between there is a stagnation period also - the results mostly differ in transit results. As far as drishti (aspect) is considered - some are of the openion that they give the results of different houses - But it is not always correct - In querry mode - the interpretations are when a key planet is retrograde it gives the result when it takes direct motion - Mostly it applies to the strength and timing of event - but basically the signification of planet do not change - the lordship of bhava do not change - Let us see in different systems - Hindu traditional astrology a span of 30 degrees of rasi is taken and in diviional charts also a span is taken - so retrograde planets motional strength ( as per shadbalal) is taken and in transit - retrograde / direct / stanation timing are taken into account - in K.P.System ( developed from Hindu tradional system ) a planets psoition is taken as per its longitude - So no spna of any area is considered - planets sub ord, star lord and sign lord are considered for its strength and other significations - so the question of retrograde motion is ignored. Much can be said like this when ever individual charts are dalt with. If retrograde planet in ;agna - judge as per its connection to lagna sign. its lord , other aspects etc., by ensuring that the retrograde planet has more strength. Make sure that no planet travel backward like a car - if so all of us go back to our child hood- Sambasiva Rao M.A.,(astrology) MBA., LL.B., CAIIB., Hyderabad India tel +91-040-24046221 :: 9246586624 ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote: hello learned members,, i wish to ask for opinion of the members, that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it gives a mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu are always retro..(as what i know)... the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in backward direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing behind the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see behind too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will count backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro drishti will be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo even lord of 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..) is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a retro ...as rahu or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he dontknow right and wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do it ...without thinking it right or wrong... the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same way...being spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he is right but he is wrong..... at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say that the person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will think he is right... kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic. thanks tarun..... 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Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Hello I have a question: how to interpret when a planet direct at birth goes retrograde by progression? Nadia <<<<<<<< Mr.Tarun You have to first to know thw astronomical phenomena about regtrogation. Rahu and ketu are being shadows ( no physical existence) - They are in fact points of intersection of other planets - when other planets are moving forward they look like moving backward. Regarding the retrogration of other planets - Make sure that at any given time any planet travel in its own orbit in a forward motion with its regular speed, - Retrogration is an apparent phenomena - recollect the experiment of putting a rod in a glass with some water - below the level of water the road appears to have taken a bend - but in reality there is no bend - this is an apparent phenomena - refer to the Keplars astronomical theory - planets orbit is in an oval shape around Sun- In an oval shape orbit at certain points when the object is moving the diataance from the central p oint - Sun - is more than other points. In ovel shape the distance from central point to other points differ So whenever a planet is far off from the Sun 0 central poistion - it looks like retarded with refence to the Earth. So planets which are subject to retrogration (except luminaries) do apper like retarded at specific dostances and come back to direct motion on specific points ever time. Here you can observe the distance from sun is more than that of normal times when the planet is in retrogation - So a retrograde planet get less exposed to Sun heat - so less combust - so it is more stronger than in normal times - So in Hindu astrology it is said a retrograde planet is more stronger - this is only as far as the stregnth is considered - (malefic / benefic nature is different to strength - malefic getting more strength - or benefic getting more strength is an individual case study) As regards the strength of a retrograde planet - in Shadbalas - motional strength is attributed - In explaining the retrograde postion is is expressed as going back and getting direct motion - In between there is a stagnation period also - the results mostly differ in transit results Sambasiva Rao ..>>>>>>>>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Gurudatta sir, namaskar, sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered malefic for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th. sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it is considered malefic but this is really worst portion of astrology i think so.. thanks and regards, tarun.. --- In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > Dear sri Tarun > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , precisely for the > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be giving yoga . > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know Sanskrit, > translated it reads > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd and 6th Jupiter > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the word 'THOUGH'.. Means he > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause yoga. > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is yogakaarak for > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of 3rd and 6th and > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for simple reason that 3rd > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence beneficial. But > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of astrology which > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > Meaning: > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may cause yoga. > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may cause yoga. > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in 3rd are highly > Yogaprada . > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine science called > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any science for it is > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine intuitions of Great > Rushis. > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > - > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > <valist> > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on > retrograde plants > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is lord of 3rd > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for librans.. > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > thanks ... > > tarun.. > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when retrograde is an > > asset > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is supported by > > ancient > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the effect may > > be > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . > > sometimes it may > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and if the > > lagan is > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the effects > > but can > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with him, > > he could > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees his > > power of > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he would > > not help > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize this > > amount for > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of evil > > would only > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > <valist> > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic even > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates > > problem > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and there > > > > BALA is > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA i. e . > > > > longevity > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a > > matter > > > > of > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the > > retrogression > > > > of the > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is > > expected > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own > > house in > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very > > > > auspicious and > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when they > > are > > > > retrograde > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes successful > > where > > > > other > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its dasa > > and > > > > bhukty > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde are > > > > considered to > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite > > auspicious > > > > result > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my 9 th > > > > lord and is > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange with > > an > > > > exalted > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave > > good > > > > result > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > - > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies" > > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology" > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it > > > > gives a > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu > > > > are always > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in > > > > backward > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing > > behind > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see > > > > behind > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will > > > > count > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro > > > > drishti will > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo > > > > even lord of > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he > > dontknow > > > > right and > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > it ...without > > > > thinking > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same > > way...being > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he > > is > > > > right but > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say > > > > that the > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will > > > > think he is > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear sri Tarun when a natural benefic owns a Kendra he losses his power to do good. it is called KENDRAADHIPA DOSA. It is considered so evil that if this planet is afflicted otherwise then it can kill the native. when a natural malefic own a Kendra he ceased to be malefic. these are ordinary rules of Parashary system of astrology. Kindly study Jaatak Chandrikaa , for the effects a planet may give during its period. this book is otherwise known as Laghu Paraashari Or Uddudaaya pradeep. it is small book, but many of its verses are heard to crack and have been greatly debated by great scholars. any one without mastering Jaatak chandrikaa can never dreamt of becoming an astrologer. one surely can not become a good astrologer merely by browising the net where most transltions of the classics are full of errors. hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi are 3 essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones who claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) jyotish. hoping that you would one day reach your desire goal. Gurudatta Dash - "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst <valist> Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:43 AM Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > namaskar, > > sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered malefic > for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even lord of > 3rd and 6th. > > sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it is > considered malefic but this is really worst portion of astrology i > think so.. > > thanks and regards, > > tarun.. > > > --- > > > In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> > wrote: > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , precisely > for the > > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be giving > yoga . > > > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI > RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know Sanskrit, > > translated it reads > > > > > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd and 6th > Jupiter > > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the word 'THOUGH'.. > Means he > > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause yoga. > > > > > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is > yogakaarak for > > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of 3rd and > 6th and > > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for simple reason > that 3rd > > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence > beneficial. But > > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of astrology > which > > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > > > > > Meaning: > > > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may cause yoga. > > > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may cause yoga. > > > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in 3rd are > highly > > Yogaprada . > > > > > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine science > called > > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any science > for it is > > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine intuitions > of Great > > Rushis. > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > <valist> > > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is lord of > 3rd > > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for librans.. > > > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > > > thanks ... > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when retrograde > is an > > > asset > > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is supported by > > > ancient > > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the effect > may > > > be > > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . > > > sometimes it may > > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and if > the > > > lagan is > > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the > effects > > > but can > > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with > him, > > > he could > > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees his > > > power of > > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he > would > > > not help > > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize this > > > amount for > > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of evil > > > would only > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > <valist> > > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations > on > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of > > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic > even > > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates > > > problem > > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and > there > > > > > BALA is > > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA > i. e . > > > > > longevity > > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a > > > matter > > > > > of > > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the > > > retrogression > > > > > of the > > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is > > > expected > > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in > > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own > > > house in > > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very > > > > > auspicious and > > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when > they > > > are > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes > successful > > > where > > > > > other > > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its > dasa > > > and > > > > > bhukty > > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde > are > > > > > considered to > > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite > > > auspicious > > > > > result > > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my > 9 th > > > > > lord and is > > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange > with > > > an > > > > > exalted > > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave > > > good > > > > > result > > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > > - > > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies" > > > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology" > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then > it > > > > > gives a > > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or > rahu > > > > > are always > > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car > in > > > > > backward > > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing > > > behind > > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti > see > > > > > behind > > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it > will > > > > > count > > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its > retro > > > > > drishti will > > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for > virgo > > > > > even lord of > > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and > 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a > > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he > > > dontknow > > > > > right and > > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > > it ...without > > > > > thinking > > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same > > > way...being > > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and > thinks ...he > > > is > > > > > right but > > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna > will say > > > > > that the > > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he > will > > > > > think he is > > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 hello sir i m absolutely agree what you have said about how one can become a good astrologer. "hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi are 3 essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones who claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) jyotish." sir can we find out that when one can have guru kripa? which yogas and dashas in horoscopes tell us about this? Is transit also have any role in it.? Well sir my english is not good but i hope u understood what i want to ask and also hope that u will answer it. with regards sonia valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > Dear sri Tarun > > > > when a natural benefic owns a Kendra he losses his power to do good. it is > called KENDRAADHIPA DOSA. It is considered so evil that if this planet is > afflicted otherwise then it can kill the native. > > > > when a natural malefic own a Kendra he ceased to be malefic. > > > > these are ordinary rules of Parashary system of astrology. > > > > Kindly study Jaatak Chandrikaa , for the effects a planet may give during > its period. > > this book is otherwise known as Laghu Paraashari Or Uddudaaya pradeep. it is > small book, but many of its verses are heard to crack and have been greatly > debated by great scholars. any one without mastering Jaatak chandrikaa can > never dreamt of becoming an astrologer. > > > > one surely can not become a good astrologer merely by browising the net > where most transltions of the classics are full of errors. > > > > hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi are 3 > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones who > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) jyotish. > > > > hoping that you would one day reach your desire goal. > > > > Gurudatta Dash > - > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > <valist> > Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:43 AM > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > > > namaskar, > > > > sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered malefic > > for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even lord of > > 3rd and 6th. > > > > sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it is > > considered malefic but this is really worst portion of astrology i > > think so.. > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > --- > > > > > > In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> > > wrote: > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , precisely > > for the > > > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be giving > > yoga . > > > > > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI > > RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > > > > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know Sanskrit, > > > translated it reads > > > > > > > > > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd and 6th > > Jupiter > > > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the word 'THOUGH'.. > > Means he > > > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is > > yogakaarak for > > > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of 3rd and > > 6th and > > > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for simple reason > > that 3rd > > > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence > > beneficial. But > > > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of astrology > > which > > > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > > > > > > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > > > > > > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > > > > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: > > > > > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may cause yoga. > > > > > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may cause yoga. > > > > > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in 3rd are > > highly > > > Yogaprada . > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine science > > called > > > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any science > > for it is > > > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine intuitions > > of Great > > > Rushis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > <valist> > > > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is lord of > > 3rd > > > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for librans.. > > > > > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > > > > > thanks ... > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when retrograde > > is an > > > > asset > > > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is supported by > > > > ancient > > > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the effect > > may > > > > be > > > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . > > > > sometimes it may > > > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and if > > the > > > > lagan is > > > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the > > effects > > > > but can > > > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with > > him, > > > > he could > > > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees his > > > > power of > > > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he > > would > > > > not help > > > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize this > > > > amount for > > > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of evil > > > > would only > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > <valist> > > > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations > > on > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of > > > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic > > even > > > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates > > > > problem > > > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and > > there > > > > > > BALA is > > > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA > > i. e . > > > > > > longevity > > > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a > > > > matter > > > > > > of > > > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the > > > > retrogression > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is > > > > expected > > > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in > > > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own > > > > house in > > > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very > > > > > > auspicious and > > > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when > > they > > > > are > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes > > successful > > > > where > > > > > > other > > > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its > > dasa > > > > and > > > > > > bhukty > > > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde > > are > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite > > > > auspicious > > > > > > result > > > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my > > 9 th > > > > > > lord and is > > > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange > > with > > > > an > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave > > > > good > > > > > > result > > > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies" > > > > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology" > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then > > it > > > > > > gives a > > > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or > > rahu > > > > > > are always > > > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car > > in > > > > > > backward > > > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing > > > > behind > > > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti > > see > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it > > will > > > > > > count > > > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its > > retro > > > > > > drishti will > > > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for > > virgo > > > > > > even lord of > > > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and > > 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a > > > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he > > > > dontknow > > > > > > right and > > > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > > > it ...without > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same > > > > way...being > > > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and > > thinks ...he > > > > is > > > > > > right but > > > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna > > will say > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he > > will > > > > > > think he is > > > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Dear Gurudatta sir, Namaskar, Sir as u said that the planets gets so malefic tht it can even kill the person..so happened to me in my guru dasha as i m virgo rising. Sir when i was one yr old i lost two fingures of my left hand..and that time my guru dasha was runnning..since u described the malefic extent..i suddenly thought abt this..was this the effect of guru dasha. The accident happened in our factory..and the same date of the death of Indira Gandhi i.e. 30th oct.1984. sir can u plz analyse that was this the effect of the guru dasha..and i have one more question that what wil be the effect of lagnesh dasha for me as a virgo rising.will it effect the same. My dob:-19-07-1983 Time:- 10.35 am Place:- Jodhpur RAjasthan ( 26N18 73E08) Thanks and rgards. Tarun Agarwal valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > Dear sri Tarun > > > > when a natural benefic owns a Kendra he losses his power to do good. it is > called KENDRAADHIPA DOSA. It is considered so evil that if this planet is > afflicted otherwise then it can kill the native. > > > > when a natural malefic own a Kendra he ceased to be malefic. > > > > these are ordinary rules of Parashary system of astrology. > > > > Kindly study Jaatak Chandrikaa , for the effects a planet may give during > its period. > > this book is otherwise known as Laghu Paraashari Or Uddudaaya pradeep. it is > small book, but many of its verses are heard to crack and have been greatly > debated by great scholars. any one without mastering Jaatak chandrikaa can > never dreamt of becoming an astrologer. > > > > one surely can not become a good astrologer merely by browising the net > where most transltions of the classics are full of errors. > > > > hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi are 3 > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones who > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) jyotish. > > > > hoping that you would one day reach your desire goal. > > > > Gurudatta Dash > - > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > <valist> > Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:43 AM > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > > > namaskar, > > > > sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered malefic > > for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even lord of > > 3rd and 6th. > > > > sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it is > > considered malefic but this is really worst portion of astrology i > > think so.. > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > --- > > > > > > In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> > > wrote: > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , precisely > > for the > > > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be giving > > yoga . > > > > > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI > > RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > > > > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know Sanskrit, > > > translated it reads > > > > > > > > > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd and 6th > > Jupiter > > > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the word 'THOUGH'.. > > Means he > > > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is > > yogakaarak for > > > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of 3rd and > > 6th and > > > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for simple reason > > that 3rd > > > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence > > beneficial. But > > > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of astrology > > which > > > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > > > > > > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > > > > > > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > > > > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: > > > > > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may cause yoga. > > > > > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may cause yoga. > > > > > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in 3rd are > > highly > > > Yogaprada . > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine science > > called > > > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any science > > for it is > > > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine intuitions > > of Great > > > Rushis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > <valist> > > > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is lord of > > 3rd > > > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for librans.. > > > > > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > > > > > thanks ... > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when retrograde > > is an > > > > asset > > > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is supported by > > > > ancient > > > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the effect > > may > > > > be > > > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . > > > > sometimes it may > > > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and if > > the > > > > lagan is > > > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the > > effects > > > > but can > > > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with > > him, > > > > he could > > > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees his > > > > power of > > > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he > > would > > > > not help > > > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize this > > > > amount for > > > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of evil > > > > would only > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > <valist> > > > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations > > on > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of > > > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic > > even > > > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates > > > > problem > > > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and > > there > > > > > > BALA is > > > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA > > i. e . > > > > > > longevity > > > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a > > > > matter > > > > > > of > > > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the > > > > retrogression > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is > > > > expected > > > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in > > > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own > > > > house in > > > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very > > > > > > auspicious and > > > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when > > they > > > > are > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes > > successful > > > > where > > > > > > other > > > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its > > dasa > > > > and > > > > > > bhukty > > > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde > > are > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite > > > > auspicious > > > > > > result > > > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my > > 9 th > > > > > > lord and is > > > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange > > with > > > > an > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave > > > > good > > > > > > result > > > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies" > > > > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology" > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then > > it > > > > > > gives a > > > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or > > rahu > > > > > > are always > > > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car > > in > > > > > > backward > > > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing > > > > behind > > > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti > > see > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it > > will > > > > > > count > > > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its > > retro > > > > > > drishti will > > > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for > > virgo > > > > > > even lord of > > > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and > > 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a > > > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he > > > > dontknow > > > > > > right and > > > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > > > it ...without > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same > > > > way...being > > > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and > > thinks ...he > > > > is > > > > > > right but > > > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna > > will say > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he > > will > > > > > > think he is > > > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 dear sri tarun both the bhukty and mahadasaa lord are badly afflicted with very unfvourabke transits, so this incident happened. as per Mercury Mahaadasaa, pl do nt be worried.. much money prestige and astrology.. however kanyaa lagna people and buisnessmen ( i hop u r family is in buisness) are very materialistic.. give some time to Divine for nothing in this world is permanet.. with good wishes Gurudatta - "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst <valist> Friday, May 27, 2005 2:03 PM Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > Namaskar, > > Sir as u said that the planets gets so malefic tht it can even kill > the person..so happened to me in my guru dasha as i m virgo rising. > Sir when i was one yr old i lost two fingures of my left hand..and > that time my guru dasha was runnning..since u described the malefic > extent..i suddenly thought abt this..was this the effect of guru > dasha. > The accident happened in our factory..and the same date of the death > of Indira Gandhi i.e. 30th oct.1984. > > sir can u plz analyse that was this the effect of the guru dasha..and > i have one more question that what wil be the effect of lagnesh > dasha for me as a virgo rising.will it effect the same. > > My dob:-19-07-1983 > Time:- 10.35 am > Place:- Jodhpur RAjasthan ( 26N18 73E08) > > Thanks and rgards. > > Tarun Agarwal > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > when a natural benefic owns a Kendra he losses his power to do > good. it is > > called KENDRAADHIPA DOSA. It is considered so evil that if this > planet is > > afflicted otherwise then it can kill the native. > > > > > > > > when a natural malefic own a Kendra he ceased to be malefic. > > > > > > > > these are ordinary rules of Parashary system of astrology. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Jaatak Chandrikaa , for the effects a planet may give > during > > its period. > > > > this book is otherwise known as Laghu Paraashari Or Uddudaaya > pradeep. it is > > small book, but many of its verses are heard to crack and have been > greatly > > debated by great scholars. any one without mastering Jaatak > chandrikaa can > > never dreamt of becoming an astrologer. > > > > > > > > one surely can not become a good astrologer merely by browising > the net > > where most transltions of the classics are full of errors. > > > > > > > > hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi > are 3 > > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones > who > > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) > jyotish. > > > > > > > > hoping that you would one day reach your desire goal. > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > <valist> > > Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:43 AM > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered > malefic > > > for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even lord of > > > 3rd and 6th. > > > > > > sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it is > > > considered malefic but this is really worst portion of astrology i > > > think so.. > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , > precisely > > > for the > > > > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be > giving > > > yoga . > > > > > > > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI > > > RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > > > > > > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know > Sanskrit, > > > > translated it reads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd and > 6th > > > Jupiter > > > > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the > word 'THOUGH'.. > > > Means he > > > > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is > > > yogakaarak for > > > > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of 3rd > and > > > 6th and > > > > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for simple > reason > > > that 3rd > > > > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence > > > beneficial. But > > > > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of > astrology > > > which > > > > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > > > > > > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: > > > > > > > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may cause > yoga. > > > > > > > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may cause > yoga. > > > > > > > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in 3rd > are > > > highly > > > > Yogaprada . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine > science > > > called > > > > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any science > > > for it is > > > > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine > intuitions > > > of Great > > > > Rushis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > <valist> > > > > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations > on > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > > > > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is lord > of > > > 3rd > > > > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for > librans.. > > > > > > > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > > > > > > > thanks ... > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when > retrograde > > > is an > > > > > asset > > > > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is > supported by > > > > > ancient > > > > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the > effect > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . > > > > > sometimes it may > > > > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed > and if > > > the > > > > > lagan is > > > > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the > > > effects > > > > > but can > > > > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with > > > him, > > > > > he could > > > > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees > his > > > > > power of > > > > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he > > > would > > > > > not help > > > > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize > this > > > > > amount for > > > > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of > evil > > > > > would only > > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > <valist> > > > > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some > obseravations > > > on > > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the > rest of > > > > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are > maelefic > > > even > > > > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it > creates > > > > > problem > > > > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful > and > > > there > > > > > > > BALA is > > > > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the > AYURDAAYA > > > i. e . > > > > > > > longevity > > > > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in > retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically > is a > > > > > matter > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the > > > > > retrogression > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result > as is > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet > in > > > > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in > own > > > > > house in > > > > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become > very > > > > > > > auspicious and > > > > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes > > > successful > > > > > where > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its > > > dasa > > > > > and > > > > > > > bhukty > > > > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when > retrograde > > > are > > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it > is my > > > 9 th > > > > > > > lord and is > > > > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in > exchange > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case > gave > > > > > good > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish > remedies" > > > > > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology" > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in > lagna...then > > > it > > > > > > > gives a > > > > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like > ketu or > > > rahu > > > > > > > are always > > > > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a > car > > > in > > > > > > > backward > > > > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any > thing > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special > drishti > > > see > > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro > it > > > will > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its > > > retro > > > > > > > drishti will > > > > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic > for > > > virgo > > > > > > > even lord of > > > > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and > > > 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like > a > > > > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means > he > > > > > dontknow > > > > > > > right and > > > > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > > > > it ...without > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same > > > > > way...being > > > > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and > > > thinks ...he > > > > > is > > > > > > > right but > > > > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna > > > will say > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but > he > > > will > > > > > > > think he is > > > > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Dear Gurudatta sir, sir i have manu quesions abt astrology.but i think i may not make u irritate abt my mails.because u are mailing me very kindly. i am grateful to you abt that. Sir as u have written "give some time to Divine for nothing in this world is permanet" i hope u have seen something different in my horoscope. Sir if u can suggest me something i would be thankful to you.. Thanks and Best Regards Tarun. valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > dear sri tarun > both the bhukty and mahadasaa lord are badly afflicted with very unfvourabke > transits, so this incident happened. > > as per Mercury Mahaadasaa, pl do nt be worried.. much money prestige and > astrology.. > > however kanyaa lagna people and buisnessmen ( i hop u r family is in > buisness) are very materialistic.. > > give some time to Divine for nothing in this world is permanet.. > > with good wishes > Gurudatta > > - > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > <valist> > Friday, May 27, 2005 2:03 PM > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Sir as u said that the planets gets so malefic tht it can even kill > > the person..so happened to me in my guru dasha as i m virgo rising. > > Sir when i was one yr old i lost two fingures of my left hand..and > > that time my guru dasha was runnning..since u described the malefic > > extent..i suddenly thought abt this..was this the effect of guru > > dasha. > > The accident happened in our factory..and the same date of the death > > of Indira Gandhi i.e. 30th oct.1984. > > > > sir can u plz analyse that was this the effect of the guru dasha..and > > i have one more question that what wil be the effect of lagnesh > > dasha for me as a virgo rising.will it effect the same. > > > > My dob:-19-07-1983 > > Time:- 10.35 am > > Place:- Jodhpur RAjasthan ( 26N18 73E08) > > > > Thanks and rgards. > > > > Tarun Agarwal > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 --- Dear Sonia, although there are several combinations which are said to answer your question , to my mind it appears that when your heart searches and aspires intensely for Him , His KARUNAA or blessings are realized. Now who is Guru , he is none but the human face of the Divine . And what is astrology ( as we utilize now) -interpretation of the previous karmas through planets as they unfold there effects in the ladder of time. Now who is greater Divine or Karma? surely Divine is no way bound by the laws of karma. he is beyond every thing ..anything and everything you can imagine and not imagine. And planets have no power to define Him or understand Him so also Guru who can only be defined by the love and aspirations of the a sincere mind and a searching heart. Call Him like a child calls his mother and do not look towards planets.. He would defy all the rules and Laws to manifest before you. May His blessings be on you. Gurudatta Dash -- Original Message ----- "aug_sonia" <aug_sonia <valist> Friday, May 27, 2005 11:10 AM Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > hello sir > > i m absolutely agree what you have said about how one can become a > good astrologer. > "hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi > are > 3 > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones who > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) > jyotish." > > sir can we find out that when one can have guru kripa? > > which yogas and dashas in horoscopes tell us about this? > > Is transit also have any role in it.? > > Well sir my english is not good > but i hope u understood what i want to ask and also hope that u will > answer it. > > > with regards > sonia > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > when a natural benefic owns a Kendra he losses his power to do > good. it is > > called KENDRAADHIPA DOSA. It is considered so evil that if this > planet is > > afflicted otherwise then it can kill the native. > > > > > > > > when a natural malefic own a Kendra he ceased to be malefic. > > > > > > > > these are ordinary rules of Parashary system of astrology. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Jaatak Chandrikaa , for the effects a planet may give > during > > its period. > > > > this book is otherwise known as Laghu Paraashari Or Uddudaaya > pradeep. it is > > small book, but many of its verses are heard to crack and have been > greatly > > debated by great scholars. any one without mastering Jaatak > chandrikaa can > > never dreamt of becoming an astrologer. > > > > > > > > one surely can not become a good astrologer merely by browising > the net > > where most transltions of the classics are full of errors. > > > > > > > > hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi > are 3 > > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones > who > > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) > jyotish. > > > > > > > > hoping that you would one day reach your desire goal. > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > <valist> > > Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:43 AM > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered > malefic > > > for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even lord of > > > 3rd and 6th. > > > > > > sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it is > > > considered malefic but this is really worst portion of astrology i > > > think so.. > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , > precisely > > > for the > > > > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be > giving > > > yoga . > > > > > > > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI > > > RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > > > > > > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know > Sanskrit, > > > > translated it reads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd and > 6th > > > Jupiter > > > > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the > word 'THOUGH'.. > > > Means he > > > > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is > > > yogakaarak for > > > > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of 3rd > and > > > 6th and > > > > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for simple > reason > > > that 3rd > > > > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence > > > beneficial. But > > > > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of > astrology > > > which > > > > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > > > > > > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: > > > > > > > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may cause > yoga. > > > > > > > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may cause > yoga. > > > > > > > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in 3rd > are > > > highly > > > > Yogaprada . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine > science > > > called > > > > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any science > > > for it is > > > > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine > intuitions > > > of Great > > > > Rushis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > <valist> > > > > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations > on > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > > > > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is lord > of > > > 3rd > > > > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for > librans.. > > > > > > > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > > > > > > > thanks ... > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when > retrograde > > > is an > > > > > asset > > > > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is > supported by > > > > > ancient > > > > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the > effect > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . > > > > > sometimes it may > > > > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed > and if > > > the > > > > > lagan is > > > > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the > > > effects > > > > > but can > > > > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with > > > him, > > > > > he could > > > > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees > his > > > > > power of > > > > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he > > > would > > > > > not help > > > > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize > this > > > > > amount for > > > > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of > evil > > > > > would only > > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > <valist> > > > > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some > obseravations > > > on > > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the > rest of > > > > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are > maelefic > > > even > > > > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it > creates > > > > > problem > > > > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful > and > > > there > > > > > > > BALA is > > > > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the > AYURDAAYA > > > i. e . > > > > > > > longevity > > > > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in > retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically > is a > > > > > matter > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the > > > > > retrogression > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result > as is > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet > in > > > > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in > own > > > > > house in > > > > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become > very > > > > > > > auspicious and > > > > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes > > > successful > > > > > where > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its > > > dasa > > > > > and > > > > > > > bhukty > > > > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when > retrograde > > > are > > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it > is my > > > 9 th > > > > > > > lord and is > > > > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in > exchange > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case > gave > > > > > good > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish > remedies" > > > > > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology" > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in > lagna...then > > > it > > > > > > > gives a > > > > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like > ketu or > > > rahu > > > > > > > are always > > > > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a > car > > > in > > > > > > > backward > > > > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any > thing > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special > drishti > > > see > > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro > it > > > will > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its > > > retro > > > > > > > drishti will > > > > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic > for > > > virgo > > > > > > > even lord of > > > > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and > > > 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like > a > > > > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means > he > > > > > dontknow > > > > > > > right and > > > > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > > > > it ...without > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same > > > > > way...being > > > > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and > > > thinks ...he > > > > > is > > > > > > > right but > > > > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna > > > will say > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but > he > > > will > > > > > > > think he is > > > > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Thanks sir please tell me do i have a fortune to have blessings of a guru my nirth details are DOB-23/08/1982 TOB-2:50AM POB-DELHI ASC-GEMINI RASI-VIRGO valist, "Dr. Gurudatts Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > --- > Dear Sonia, > > although there are several combinations which are said to answer your question , to my mind it appears that when your heart searches and aspires intensely > for Him , His KARUNAA or blessings are realized. > > Now who is Guru , he is none but the human face of the Divine . > > And what is astrology ( as we utilize now) -interpretation of the previous karmas through planets as they unfold there effects in the ladder of time. > > Now who is greater Divine or Karma? surely Divine is no way bound by the laws of karma. > he is beyond every thing ..anything and everything you can imagine and not imagine. > And planets have no power to define Him or understand Him > > so also Guru who can only be defined by the love and aspirations of the a sincere mind and a searching heart. > > Call Him like a child calls his mother and do not look towards planets.. He would defy all the rules and Laws to manifest before you. > > May His blessings be on you. > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > "aug_sonia" <aug_sonia> > <valist> > Friday, May 27, 2005 11:10 AM > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > hello sir > > > > i m absolutely agree what you have said about how one can become a > > good astrologer. > > "hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi > > are > > 3 > > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones who > > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) > > jyotish." > > > > sir can we find out that when one can have guru kripa? > > > > which yogas and dashas in horoscopes tell us about this? > > > > Is transit also have any role in it.? > > > > Well sir my english is not good > > but i hope u understood what i want to ask and also hope that u will > > answer it. > > > > > > with regards > > sonia > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > when a natural benefic owns a Kendra he losses his power to do > > good. it is > > > called KENDRAADHIPA DOSA. It is considered so evil that if this > > planet is > > > afflicted otherwise then it can kill the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > when a natural malefic own a Kendra he ceased to be malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > these are ordinary rules of Parashary system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly study Jaatak Chandrikaa , for the effects a planet may give > > during > > > its period. > > > > > > this book is otherwise known as Laghu Paraashari Or Uddudaaya > > pradeep. it is > > > small book, but many of its verses are heard to crack and have been > > greatly > > > debated by great scholars. any one without mastering Jaatak > > chandrikaa can > > > never dreamt of becoming an astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > one surely can not become a good astrologer merely by browising > > the net > > > where most transltions of the classics are full of errors. > > > > > > > > > > > > hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra siddhi > > are 3 > > > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false ones > > who > > > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) > > jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping that you would one day reach your desire goal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > <valist> > > > Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:43 AM > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered > > malefic > > > > for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even lord of > > > > 3rd and 6th. > > > > > > > > sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it is > > > > considered malefic but this is really worst portion of astrology i > > > > think so.. > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , > > precisely > > > > for the > > > > > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be > > giving > > > > yoga . > > > > > > > > > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI > > > > RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > > > > > > > > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know > > Sanskrit, > > > > > translated it reads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd and > > 6th > > > > Jupiter > > > > > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the > > word 'THOUGH'.. > > > > Means he > > > > > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is > > > > yogakaarak for > > > > > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of 3rd > > and > > > > 6th and > > > > > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for simple > > reason > > > > that 3rd > > > > > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence > > > > beneficial. But > > > > > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of > > astrology > > > > which > > > > > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > > > > > > > > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: > > > > > > > > > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may cause > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may cause > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in 3rd > > are > > > > highly > > > > > Yogaprada . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine > > science > > > > called > > > > > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any science > > > > for it is > > > > > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine > > intuitions > > > > of Great > > > > > Rushis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > <valist> > > > > > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations > > on > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > > > > > > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is lord > > of > > > > 3rd > > > > > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for > > librans.. > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks ... > > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when > > retrograde > > > > is an > > > > > > asset > > > > > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is > > supported by > > > > > > ancient > > > > > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the > > effect > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . > > > > > > sometimes it may > > > > > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed > > and if > > > > the > > > > > > lagan is > > > > > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the > > > > effects > > > > > > but can > > > > > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with > > > > him, > > > > > > he could > > > > > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees > > his > > > > > > power of > > > > > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he > > > > would > > > > > > not help > > > > > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize > > this > > > > > > amount for > > > > > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of > > evil > > > > > > would only > > > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > <valist> > > > > > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some > > obseravations > > > > on > > > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the > > rest of > > > > > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are > > maelefic > > > > even > > > > > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it > > creates > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful > > and > > > > there > > > > > > > > BALA is > > > > > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the > > AYURDAAYA > > > > i. e . > > > > > > > > longevity > > > > > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in > > retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically > > is a > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the > > > > > > retrogression > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result > > as is > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet > > in > > > > > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in > > own > > > > > > house in > > > > > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become > > very > > > > > > > > auspicious and > > > > > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when > > > > they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes > > > > successful > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its > > > > dasa > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > bhukty > > > > > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when > > retrograde > > > > are > > > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it > > is my > > > > 9 th > > > > > > > > lord and is > > > > > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in > > exchange > > > > with > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case > > gave > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish > > remedies" > > > > > > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology" > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in > > lagna...then > > > > it > > > > > > > > gives a > > > > > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like > > ketu or > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > are always > > > > > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a > > car > > > > in > > > > > > > > backward > > > > > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any > > thing > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special > > drishti > > > > see > > > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro > > it > > > > will > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its > > > > retro > > > > > > > > drishti will > > > > > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic > > for > > > > virgo > > > > > > > > even lord of > > > > > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and > > > > 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like > > a > > > > > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means > > he > > > > > > dontknow > > > > > > > > right and > > > > > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > > > > > it ...without > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same > > > > > > way...being > > > > > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and > > > > thinks ...he > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > right but > > > > > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna > > > > will say > > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but > > he > > > > will > > > > > > > > think he is > > > > > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 i am not able to properly comprehend your question. Whether you want to know when you would meet Sadguru whose search is already on or you want to know when you have proper spiritual siddhhi , kindly express in detail . however your horoscope speaks well of your menatl conflict. Gurudatta Dash - "aug_sonia" <aug_sonia <valist> Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:37 PM Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > Thanks sir > > please tell me do i have a fortune to have blessings of a guru > my nirth details are > > DOB-23/08/1982 > TOB-2:50AM > POB-DELHI > > ASC-GEMINI > RASI-VIRGO > valist, "Dr. Gurudatts Dash" > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > --- > > Dear Sonia, > > > > although there are several combinations which are said to answer > your question , to my mind it appears that when your heart searches > and aspires intensely > > for Him , His KARUNAA or blessings are realized. > > > > Now who is Guru , he is none but the human face of the Divine . > > > > And what is astrology ( as we utilize now) -interpretation of the > previous karmas through planets as they unfold there effects in the > ladder of time. > > > > Now who is greater Divine or Karma? surely Divine is no way bound > by the laws of karma. > > he is beyond every thing ..anything and everything you can imagine > and not imagine. > > And planets have no power to define Him or understand Him > > > > so also Guru who can only be defined by the love and aspirations of > the a sincere mind and a searching heart. > > > > Call Him like a child calls his mother and do not look towards > planets.. He would defy all the rules and Laws to manifest before you. > > > > May His blessings be on you. > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > "aug_sonia" <aug_sonia> > > <valist> > > Friday, May 27, 2005 11:10 AM > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > hello sir > > > > > > i m absolutely agree what you have said about how one can become > a > > > good astrologer. > > > "hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra > siddhi > > > are > > > 3 > > > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false > ones who > > > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) > > > jyotish." > > > > > > sir can we find out that when one can have guru kripa? > > > > > > which yogas and dashas in horoscopes tell us about this? > > > > > > Is transit also have any role in it.? > > > > > > Well sir my english is not good > > > but i hope u understood what i want to ask and also hope that u > will > > > answer it. > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> > wrote: > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when a natural benefic owns a Kendra he losses his power to do > > > good. it is > > > > called KENDRAADHIPA DOSA. It is considered so evil that if > this > > > planet is > > > > afflicted otherwise then it can kill the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when a natural malefic own a Kendra he ceased to be malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these are ordinary rules of Parashary system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly study Jaatak Chandrikaa , for the effects a planet may > give > > > during > > > > its period. > > > > > > > > this book is otherwise known as Laghu Paraashari Or Uddudaaya > > > pradeep. it is > > > > small book, but many of its verses are heard to crack and have > been > > > greatly > > > > debated by great scholars. any one without mastering Jaatak > > > chandrikaa can > > > > never dreamt of becoming an astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one surely can not become a good astrologer merely by > browising > > > the net > > > > where most transltions of the classics are full of errors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra > siddhi > > > are 3 > > > > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false > ones > > > who > > > > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of > astrology) > > > jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping that you would one day reach your desire goal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > <valist> > > > > Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:43 AM > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered > > > malefic > > > > > for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even > lord of > > > > > 3rd and 6th. > > > > > > > > > > sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it > is > > > > > considered malefic but this is really worst portion of > astrology i > > > > > think so.. > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > <gurudatta_d@h...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , > > > precisely > > > > > for the > > > > > > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be > > > giving > > > > > yoga . > > > > > > > > > > > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI > > > > > RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know > > > Sanskrit, > > > > > > translated it reads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd > and > > > 6th > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the > > > word 'THOUGH'.. > > > > > Means he > > > > > > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is > > > > > yogakaarak for > > > > > > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of > 3rd > > > and > > > > > 6th and > > > > > > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for > simple > > > reason > > > > > that 3rd > > > > > > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence > > > > > beneficial. But > > > > > > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of > > > astrology > > > > > which > > > > > > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > > > > > > > > > > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: > > > > > > > > > > > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may > cause > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may > cause > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in > 3rd > > > are > > > > > highly > > > > > > Yogaprada . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine > > > science > > > > > called > > > > > > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any > science > > > > > for it is > > > > > > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine > > > intuitions > > > > > of Great > > > > > > Rushis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > <valist> > > > > > > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some > obseravations > > > on > > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is > lord > > > of > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for > > > librans.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks ... > > > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when > > > retrograde > > > > > is an > > > > > > > asset > > > > > > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is > > > supported by > > > > > > > ancient > > > > > > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However > the > > > effect > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna > is . > > > > > > > sometimes it may > > > > > > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is > placed > > > and if > > > > > the > > > > > > > lagan is > > > > > > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies > the > > > > > effects > > > > > > > but can > > > > > > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees > with > > > > > him, > > > > > > > he could > > > > > > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 > rupees > > > his > > > > > > > power of > > > > > > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 > rupees, he > > > > > would > > > > > > > not help > > > > > > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would > utilize > > > this > > > > > > > amount for > > > > > > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power > of > > > evil > > > > > > > would only > > > > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > > <valist> > > > > > > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some > > > obseravations > > > > > on > > > > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from > the > > > rest of > > > > > > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are > > > maelefic > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it > > > creates > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be > powerful > > > and > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > BALA is > > > > > > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the > > > AYURDAAYA > > > > > i. e . > > > > > > > > > longevity > > > > > > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in > > > retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results > practically > > > is a > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on > the > > > > > > > retrogression > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite > result > > > as is > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a > planet > > > in > > > > > > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or > in > > > own > > > > > > > house in > > > > > > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro > become > > > very > > > > > > > > > auspicious and > > > > > > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results > when > > > > > they > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes > > > > > successful > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result > in its > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > bhukty > > > > > > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when > > > retrograde > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave > quite > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course > it > > > is my > > > > > 9 th > > > > > > > > > lord and is > > > > > > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in > > > exchange > > > > > with > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular > case > > > gave > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish > > > remedies" > > > > > > > > > > <>; "Vedic > Adtrology" > > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in > > > lagna...then > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > gives a > > > > > > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like > > > ketu or > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > are always > > > > > > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we > move a > > > car > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > backward > > > > > > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit > any > > > thing > > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special > > > drishti > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in > retro > > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house > than its > > > > > retro > > > > > > > > > drishti will > > > > > > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big > malefic > > > for > > > > > virgo > > > > > > > > > even lord of > > > > > > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of > 3rd and > > > > > 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think > like > > > a > > > > > > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be > crazy...means > > > he > > > > > > > dontknow > > > > > > > > > right and > > > > > > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > > > > > > it ...without > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the > same > > > > > > > way...being > > > > > > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and > > > > > thinks ...he > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > right but > > > > > > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in > lagna > > > > > will say > > > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things > but > > > he > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > think he is > > > > > > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the > topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 thanks sir for giving me ur precious time yes i wanna know that when I would meet Sadguru for my spririual progress as well as jyotish I have such a deepressive thoughts in my mind that i thought to leave this world and become a sanyasini. there is no one who love me I am so alone Please guide me what should I do to be in a normal state of mind? valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > i am not able to properly comprehend your question. Whether you want to know > when you would meet Sadguru whose search is already on or you want to know > when you have proper spiritual siddhhi , kindly express in detail . however > your horoscope speaks well of your menatl conflict. > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > - > "aug_sonia" <aug_sonia> > <valist> > Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:37 PM > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > Thanks sir > > > > please tell me do i have a fortune to have blessings of a guru > > my nirth details are > > > > DOB-23/08/1982 > > TOB-2:50AM > > POB-DELHI > > > > ASC-GEMINI > > RASI-VIRGO > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatts Dash" > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > --- > > > Dear Sonia, > > > > > > although there are several combinations which are said to answer > > your question , to my mind it appears that when your heart searches > > and aspires intensely > > > for Him , His KARUNAA or blessings are realized. > > > > > > Now who is Guru , he is none but the human face of the Divine . > > > > > > And what is astrology ( as we utilize now) -interpretation of the > > previous karmas through planets as they unfold there effects in the > > ladder of time. > > > > > > Now who is greater Divine or Karma? surely Divine is no way bound > > by the laws of karma. > > > he is beyond every thing ..anything and everything you can imagine > > and not imagine. > > > And planets have no power to define Him or understand Him > > > > > > so also Guru who can only be defined by the love and aspirations of > > the a sincere mind and a searching heart. > > > > > > Call Him like a child calls his mother and do not look towards > > planets.. He would defy all the rules and Laws to manifest before you. > > > > > > May His blessings be on you. > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > > "aug_sonia" <aug_sonia> > > > <valist> > > > Friday, May 27, 2005 11:10 AM > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > hello sir > > > > > > > > i m absolutely agree what you have said about how one can become > > a > > > > good astrologer. > > > > "hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra > > siddhi > > > > are > > > > 3 > > > > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false > > ones who > > > > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of astrology) > > > > jyotish." > > > > > > > > sir can we find out that when one can have guru kripa? > > > > > > > > which yogas and dashas in horoscopes tell us about this? > > > > > > > > Is transit also have any role in it.? > > > > > > > > Well sir my english is not good > > > > but i hope u understood what i want to ask and also hope that u > > will > > > > answer it. > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when a natural benefic owns a Kendra he losses his power to do > > > > good. it is > > > > > called KENDRAADHIPA DOSA. It is considered so evil that if > > this > > > > planet is > > > > > afflicted otherwise then it can kill the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when a natural malefic own a Kendra he ceased to be malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these are ordinary rules of Parashary system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly study Jaatak Chandrikaa , for the effects a planet may > > give > > > > during > > > > > its period. > > > > > > > > > > this book is otherwise known as Laghu Paraashari Or Uddudaaya > > > > pradeep. it is > > > > > small book, but many of its verses are heard to crack and have > > been > > > > greatly > > > > > debated by great scholars. any one without mastering Jaatak > > > > chandrikaa can > > > > > never dreamt of becoming an astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one surely can not become a good astrologer merely by > > browising > > > > the net > > > > > where most transltions of the classics are full of errors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard work and mastering the classics, guru krupaa and matra > > siddhi > > > > are 3 > > > > > essential points of becoming a REAL ( as opposed to the false > > ones > > > > who > > > > > claims themselves as astrologer but do not know ABC of > > astrology) > > > > jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping that you would one day reach your desire goal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > <valist> > > > > > Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:43 AM > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurudatta sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > sir this is partiality of jyotish that jupiter is considered > > > > malefic > > > > > > for virgo even lord of kendra and yog karak for libra even > > lord of > > > > > > 3rd and 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir it is true that since it doesnt lords over trikona so it > > is > > > > > > considered malefic but this is really worst portion of > > astrology i > > > > > > think so.. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > <gurudatta_d@h...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly accept my Namaskar also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the reason lord of 3rd or 6th is considered evil , > > > > precisely > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > same reason , for Libra Lagna Jupiter is considered to be > > > > giving > > > > > > yoga . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is RUSIVAAKYA- as per the dictum of the authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I qote the exact verse from BHAVARTA RATNAKAR of SRI > > > > > > RAMAANUYACHAARYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TULALAGNE TU JAATASYA SANIRYOGADOBHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTIYAA SASTHASTHAANOPI GURURYOGAPRADO BHABET. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple, but for those who do not know > > > > Sanskrit, > > > > > > > translated it reads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Libra ascendant Sani causes yoga. THOUGH lord of 3rd > > and > > > > 6th > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > also becomes capable of producing yoga. Mark the > > > > word 'THOUGH'.. > > > > > > Means he > > > > > > > says that even if it is lord of evil houses, it would cause > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on this verse , Dr, BV Raman says , that Sani is > > > > > > yogakaarak for > > > > > > > Libra , is quite understandable *****Jupiter is the lord of > > 3rd > > > > and > > > > > > 6th and > > > > > > > this particular case he is supposed to cause yoga for > > simple > > > > reason > > > > > > that 3rd > > > > > > > and 6th from Libra happens to be Upachaya signs and hence > > > > > > beneficial. But > > > > > > > this combination is quite against the ordinary rules of > > > > astrology > > > > > > which > > > > > > > suggest that lord of 3rd,6th and 11th are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many exceptional rules in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this verse from UTTARA KALAAMRITA of KAALIDASA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEBAADHEESH PUROHITASYA SAHAJANTYAADHEESHATA SANTATAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RANDHRAADHEESHWARATAASTAMASTHIRAPY SYAADDYGA KRUDDEHINAAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SASTHASTAHA SUBHAKRUT KABIHI SMARAGRAHAGHNYAMAANA STHITO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAAHURYOGA KARA STRUTEEYA NEELAYE KETUSTU YOGAPRADAH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if Jupiter happens to be the lord of 3rd and 12th he may > > cause > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he is the lord of 8th or is in the 8th house he may > > cause > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Venus in 6th,and Rahu in 7th ,4th,9th,10th and Ketu in > > 3rd > > > > are > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > Yogaprada . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there lies the supremacy and beauty of this divine > > > > science > > > > > > called > > > > > > > VEDIC ASROLOGY . which is perhaps more accurate than any > > science > > > > > > for it is > > > > > > > based not on human erring sensations but on the divine > > > > intuitions > > > > > > of Great > > > > > > > Rushis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > <valist> > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:54 PM > > > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some > > obseravations > > > > on > > > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurudatta sahab, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the guru is in lagna for a libra ascendant.then it is > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > and 6th house. and even then it is said a yoga karak for > > > > librans.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly suggest me abt that .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks ... > > > > > > > > tarun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear sri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when > > > > retrograde > > > > > > is an > > > > > > > > asset > > > > > > > > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is > > > > supported by > > > > > > > > ancient > > > > > > > > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However > > the > > > > effect > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna > > is . > > > > > > > > sometimes it may > > > > > > > > > become week to do good or stronger than direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is > > placed > > > > and if > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > lagan is > > > > > > > > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies > > the > > > > > > effects > > > > > > > > but can > > > > > > > > > not change the nature of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees > > with > > > > > > him, > > > > > > > > he could > > > > > > > > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 > > rupees > > > > his > > > > > > > > power of > > > > > > > > > doing good would surely increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 > > rupees, he > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > not help > > > > > > > > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would > > utilize > > > > this > > > > > > > > amount for > > > > > > > > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power > > of > > > > evil > > > > > > > > would only > > > > > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > > > <valist> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some > > > > obseravations > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > retrograde plants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from > > the > > > > rest of > > > > > > > > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are > > > > maelefic > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > jupiter or venus or some else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it > > > > creates > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > to native in every field.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" > > > > > > > > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be > > powerful > > > > and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > BALA is > > > > > > > > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the > > > > AYURDAAYA > > > > > > i. e . > > > > > > > > > > longevity > > > > > > > > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in > > > > retrogression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results > > practically > > > > is a > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on > > the > > > > > > > > retrogression > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > planet as the pivotal point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite > > result > > > > as is > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a > > planet > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > debilitation gives > > > > > > > > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or > > in > > > > own > > > > > > > > house in > > > > > > > > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro > > become > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > auspicious and > > > > > > > > > > > malefic very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results > > when > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result > > in its > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > bhukty > > > > > > > > > > > when retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when > > > > retrograde > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > > > > > be highly destructive and malefics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave > > quite > > > > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course > > it > > > > is my > > > > > > 9 th > > > > > > > > > > lord and is > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in > > > > exchange > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular > > case > > > > gave > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > > partly due to its retrogression > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst> > > > > > > > > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish > > > > remedies" > > > > > > > > > > > <>; "Vedic > > Adtrology" > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello learned members,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in > > > > lagna...then > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > gives a > > > > > > > > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like > > > > ketu or > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > are always > > > > > > > > > > > retro..(as what i know)... > > > > > > > > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we > > move a > > > > car > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > backward > > > > > > > > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit > > any > > > > thing > > > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special > > > > drishti > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in > > retro > > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house > > than its > > > > > > retro > > > > > > > > > > drishti will > > > > > > > > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big > > malefic > > > > for > > > > > > virgo > > > > > > > > > > even lord of > > > > > > > > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of > > 3rd and > > > > > > 6th..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think > > like > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > retro ...as rahu > > > > > > > > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be > > crazy...means > > > > he > > > > > > > > dontknow > > > > > > > > > > right and > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do > > > > > > > > it ...without > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > it right or wrong... > > > > > > > > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the > > same > > > > > > > > way...being > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and > > > > > > thinks ...he > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > right but > > > > > > > > > > > he is wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in > > lagna > > > > > > will say > > > > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things > > but > > > > he > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > think he is > > > > > > > > > > > right... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the > > topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > > viruses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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