Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on retrograde plants

May 20, 2005

It is not that retrograde planets are always bad.

Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and there BALA is

known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA i. e . longevity

the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression.

But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a matter of

controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the retrogression of the

planet as the pivotal point.

It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is expected

noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in debilitation gives

the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own house in

retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result.

Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very auspicious and

malefic very malefic.

Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when they are retrograde

e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes successful where other

peoples fail and losses good opportunities.

Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its dasa and bhukty

when retrograde.

However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde are considered to

be highly destructive and malefics.

In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite auspicious result

even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my 9 th lord and is

placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange with an exalted

Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave good result

partly due to its retrogression

-

"~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst

"Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies"

<>; "Vedic Adtrology"

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM

Retrograde planet in lagna

> hello learned members,,

>

> i wish to ask for opinion of the members,

>

> that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it gives a

mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu are always

retro..(as what i know)...

> the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in backward

direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing behind

> the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see behind

too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will count

backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro drishti will

be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it

>

> and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo even lord of

4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..)

>

> is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a retro ...as rahu

or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he dontknow right and

wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do it ...without thinking

it right or wrong...

> the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same way...being

spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he is right but

he is wrong.....

>

> at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say that the

person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will think he is

right...

>

> kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic.

>

> thanks

>

> tarun.....

>

> Links

>

May 21, 2005

This is one of my favorite topics to think about. I have looked at

many different sources of VA, but found too many differences. I

could never conclude what vakri (retrograde) guru gives to the

native. My interest stems from the fact that I have a vakri guru in

the sign of capricorn in the sixth house from lagna. Relative to the

chandra lagna, this vakri guru is in the 10th house. It is also my

atmakaraka and located in the nakshatra shravana.

I have read many articles on retrogression, but was never able to

arrive at anything conclusive. There are too many conflicts and

opinions. Some of the major texts do not talk about it specifically.

Also, many many people have at least one or more planets retrograde.

So, as such it is not a minority.

On this topic of vakri planets, I believe we are left to our

personal experiences and intuition. My personal experiences indicate

that: (1) results are delayed with a vakri guru, but they do come in

a big way at the last moment, (2) teachers are unconventional and

generally outcasts but absolutely brilliant, (3) sometimes results

do come from others failures, (4) every 12 years when guru returns

to the original house, I have a major (huge) loss, (5) teachers in

general really love the native, (6) the vakri guru tends to give

results from both the house he is in and the house before.

I can site examples for the results 1-6 above. As far as intuition

goes, I think that our list master is the best person to expound. He

is a highly intuitive person and should have some ideas for us. I

will present mine later.

valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash"

<gurudatta_d@h...> wrote:

> It is not that retrograde planets are always bad.

>

> Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and there

BALA is

> known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA i. e .

longevity

> the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression.

>

> But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a

matter of

> controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the

retrogression of the

> planet as the pivotal point.

>

> It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is

expected

> noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in

debilitation gives

> the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own house in

> retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result.

>

> Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very

auspicious and

> malefic very malefic.

>

> Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when they are

retrograde

> e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes successful

where other

> peoples fail and losses good opportunities.

>

> Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its dasa and

bhukty

> when retrograde.

>

> However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde are

considered to

> be highly destructive and malefics.

>

> In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite auspicious

result

> even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my 9 th

lord and is

> placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange with an

exalted

> Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave good

result

> partly due to its retrogression

> -

> "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst>

> "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies"

> <>; "Vedic Adtrology"

> <vedic astrology>

> Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM

> Retrograde planet in lagna

>

> > hello learned members,,

> >

> > i wish to ask for opinion of the members,

> >

> > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it

gives a

> mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu

are always

> retro..(as what i know)...

> > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in

backward

> direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing behind

> > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see

behind

> too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will

count

> backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro

drishti will

> be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it

> >

> > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo

even lord of

> 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..)

> >

> > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a

retro ...as rahu

> or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he dontknow

right and

> wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do it ...without

thinking

> it right or wrong...

> > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same

way...being

> spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he is

right but

> he is wrong.....

> >

> > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say

that the

> person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will

think he is

> right...

> >

> > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic.

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > tarun.....

> >

> > Links

> >

May 21, 2005

HEllo Gurudatta ji,

I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of

astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic even

jupiter or venus or some else.

Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates problem

to native in every field..

but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala..

thanks

tarun...

valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash"

<gurudatta_d@h...> wrote:

> It is not that retrograde planets are always bad.

>

> Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and there

BALA is

> known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA i. e .

longevity

> the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression.

>

> But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a matter

of

> controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the retrogression

of the

> planet as the pivotal point.

>

> It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is expected

> noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in

debilitation gives

> the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own house in

> retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result.

>

> Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very

auspicious and

> malefic very malefic.

>

> Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when they are

retrograde

> e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes successful where

other

> peoples fail and losses good opportunities.

>

> Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its dasa and

bhukty

> when retrograde.

>

> However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde are

considered to

> be highly destructive and malefics.

>

> In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite auspicious

result

> even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my 9 th

lord and is

> placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange with an

exalted

> Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave good

result

> partly due to its retrogression

> -

> "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst>

> "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies"

> <>; "Vedic Adtrology"

> <vedic astrology>

> Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM

> Retrograde planet in lagna

>

> > hello learned members,,

> >

> > i wish to ask for opinion of the members,

> >

> > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it

gives a

> mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu

are always

> retro..(as what i know)...

> > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in

backward

> direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing behind

> > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see

behind

> too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will

count

> backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro

drishti will

> be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it

> >

> > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo

even lord of

> 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..)

> >

> > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a

retro ...as rahu

> or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he dontknow

right and

> wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do it ...without

thinking

> it right or wrong...

> > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same way...being

> spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he is

right but

> he is wrong.....

> >

> > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say

that the

> person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will

think he is

> right...

> >

> > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic.

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > tarun.....

> >

> > Links

> >

May 23, 2005

Dear sri Tarun

Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when retrograde is an asset

and saves the native from many negatives , this is supported by ancient

authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the effect may be

modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . sometimes it may

become week to do good or stronger than direct.

For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and if the lagan is

Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same.

RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the effects but can

not change the nature of the planet.

Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with him, he could

help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees his power of

doing good would surely increase.

Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he would not help

any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize this amount for

negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of evil would only

increase.

so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices.

Gurudatta Dash

-

"~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst

Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM

Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

retrograde plants

> HEllo Gurudatta ji,

>

> I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of

> astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic even

> jupiter or venus or some else.

>

> Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates problem

> to native in every field..

>

> but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala..

>

> thanks

>

> tarun...

>

> valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash"

> <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote:

> > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad.

> >

> > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and there

> BALA is

> > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA i. e .

> longevity

> > the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression.

> >

> > But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a matter

> of

> > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the retrogression

> of the

> > planet as the pivotal point.

> >

> > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is expected

> > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in

> debilitation gives

> > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own house in

> > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result.

> >

> > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very

> auspicious and

> > malefic very malefic.

> >

> > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when they are

> retrograde

> > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes successful where

> other

> > peoples fail and losses good opportunities.

> >

> > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its dasa and

> bhukty

> > when retrograde.

> >

> > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde are

> considered to

> > be highly destructive and malefics.

> >

> > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite auspicious

> result

> > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my 9 th

> lord and is

> > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange with an

> exalted

> > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave good

> result

> > partly due to its retrogression

> > -

> > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst>

> > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies"

> > <>; "Vedic Adtrology"

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM

> > Retrograde planet in lagna

> >

> > > hello learned members,,

> > >

> > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members,

> > >

> > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it

> gives a

> > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu

> are always

> > retro..(as what i know)...

> > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in

> backward

> > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing behind

> > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see

> behind

> > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will

> count

> > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro

> drishti will

> > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it

> > >

> > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo

> even lord of

> > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..)

> > >

> > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a

> retro ...as rahu

> > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he dontknow

> right and

> > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do it ...without

> thinking

> > it right or wrong...

> > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same way...being

> > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he is

> right but

> > he is wrong.....

> > >

> > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say

> that the

> > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will

> think he is

> > right...

> > >

> > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic.

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > tarun.....

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

>

> Links

>

May 23, 2005

Dear Friends,

Dont know about other's experiences but I am going through malefic & retrograde

Saturn's dasa, sadesaati, Saturn return etc. and its good and I have progressed

in this more than in benefic planets dasa.

I have Cancer ascendant and retrograde Saturn occupies 12th house with Moon.

I think aspects count a lot on such retrograde planet besides the planetary

exchanges relating to the house where the planet is retrograde also it need to

be seen whether the planet that is retrograde is yogakaraka or not both from the

Moon & ascendant specifically.

The planets need to be seen in totality rather than just being seen as

retrograde or direct.

Regards,

Prakash

-

"Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d

valist

Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on retrograde

plants

Tue, 24 May 2005 00:20:54 +0530

>

> Dear sri Tarun

>

> Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when retrograde is an asset

> and saves the native from many negatives , this is supported by ancient

> authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the effect may be

> modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . sometimes it may

> become week to do good or stronger than direct.

>

> For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and if the lagan is

> Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same.

>

> RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the effects but can

> not change the nature of the planet.

>

> Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with him, he could

> help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees his power of

> doing good would surely increase.

>

> Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he would not help

> any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize this amount for

> negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of evil would only

> increase.

>

> so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices.

>

> Gurudatta Dash

>

> -

> "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst

> <valist>

> Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM

> Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

> retrograde plants

>

> > HEllo Gurudatta ji,

> >

> > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of

> > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic even

> > jupiter or venus or some else.

> >

> > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates problem

> > to native in every field..

> >

> > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala..

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > tarun...

> >

> > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash"

> > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote:

> > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad.

> > >

> > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and there

> > BALA is

> > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA i. e .

> > longevity

> > > the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression.

> > >

> > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a matter

> > of

> > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the retrogression

> > of the

> > > planet as the pivotal point.

> > >

> > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is expected

> > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in

> > debilitation gives

> > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own house in

> > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result.

> > >

> > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very

> > auspicious and

> > > malefic very malefic.

> > >

> > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when they are

> > retrograde

> > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes successful where

> > other

> > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities.

> > >

> > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its dasa and

> > bhukty

> > > when retrograde.

> > >

> > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde are

> > considered to

> > > be highly destructive and malefics.

> > >

> > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite auspicious

> > result

> > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my 9 th

> > lord and is

> > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange with an

> > exalted

> > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave good

> > result

> > > partly due to its retrogression

> > > - > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst>

> > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies"

> > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology"

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM

> > > Retrograde planet in lagna

> > >

> > > > hello learned members,,

> > > >

> > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members,

> > > >

> > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it

> > gives a

> > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu

> > are always

> > > retro..(as what i know)...

> > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in

> > backward

> > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing behind

> > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see

> > behind

> > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will

> > count

> > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro

> > drishti will

> > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it

> > > >

> > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo

> > even lord of

> > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..)

> > > >

> > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a

> > retro ...as rahu

> > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he dontknow

> > right and

> > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do it ...without

> > thinking

> > > it right or wrong...

> > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same way...being

> > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he is

> > right but

> > > he is wrong.....

> > > >

> > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say

> > that the

> > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will

> > think he is

> > > right...

> > > >

> > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic.

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > tarun.....

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > >

> >

> > Links

> >

>

> Links

>

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May 24, 2005

Dear sri Praksh

you r correct in your observations. But u got good period in retrograde

malefic Saturn Dasa , not because of the fact that it is retrograde , but it

caused a yoga due its association with the yogakaarak and ascendant lord

moon. Where as the aspect has much value as you have correctly observed.

it is a common rule of astrology that whenever a malefic joins a benefic the

Dasa period of malefic gives good result and the Dasa of benefic not so good

result.

And in this case it is doubly so as

A VEEPARITA RAAJAYOGA IS ALSO CASUSED DUE TO THE PLACE MENT OF 8TH LORD IN

12TH . IT IS THIS YOGA THAT GAVE U GOOD RESULT LARGELY.

now retrogression of a planet only causes the strength to increase , so your

Saturn which is a neutral for cancer ascendant becomes a practically benefic

planet as it is in association with moon , the Lagna lord. And involved in

Veeparita Raajayoga , also if it is being aspected by benefices such as

yogakaarak mars or Jupiter then it would surely give good result.

so the whether a planet would operate as Subha or papa in its Dasa period

depends on its placement, whether it is involved in any yoga is or not and

the total configuration and not just one aspect as you have correctly

observed.

And if a planet is involved in a powerful yoga, the ordinary effects would

be superseded by the Yoga-effect.

Also, most of a time a planet when posited in the yoga -causing planets

asterism gives benefic result even though it may be it self evil and may be

in bad house.

now whenever a planet is in mithuna , it would be either in the asterism of

mars . Rahu or Jupiter . Mars and Jupiter being high rate yoga karakas for

cancer Lagna, many a time any planet in the 12 th house of loss for cancer

ascendant instead of giving bad results give very good results .

and for this reason only an exalted Venus in Pisces in the asterism of

mercury even though strong and in Bhaagya Bhaava , most auspicious place in

a horoscope almost always gives adverse results in its Dasa or bhukti, as

mercury is high rate malefic for cancer ascendant.

so my humble opinion is that your Saturn placed with Lagna lord moon in the

asterism of a benefic and involved in a Veeparita Raajayoga for all

practical purposes would operate as benefic in its Dasa and bhukti and the

retrogression only adds to its strength.

However such a placement of moon may cause sometimes deep depression and may

lead to secluded life and a strange vacancy in the heart. Emotional

frustrations are sometimes seen in such cases. However this observation of

mine should be modified in accordance with the other planetary situations.

and as per your reference to SADESATI, or transits of planets it is

misleading to sudy the effect without taking help of ASTAKAVARGA , if the

sign transited by Saturn has got more benefic points it would surely give

good results whether it is Sadesati or not.

Some experts opine that the 2nd round of Sadesati usually not as adverse as

others.

We are grateful to you for sharing your observations with us giving us a

practical matter to study and it surely helped me to augment my experience

in vedic astrology.

Thanking you

Gurudatta Dash

-

"Prakash Kandpal" <Pck

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:36 AM

Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

retrograde plants

> Dear Friends,

>

> Dont know about other's experiences but I am going through malefic &

retrograde Saturn's dasa, sadesaati, Saturn return etc. and its good and I

have progressed in this more than in benefic planets dasa.

>

> I have Cancer ascendant and retrograde Saturn occupies 12th house with

Moon.

>

> I think aspects count a lot on such retrograde planet besides the

planetary exchanges relating to the house where the planet is retrograde

also it need to be seen whether the planet that is retrograde is yogakaraka

or not both from the Moon & ascendant specifically.

>

> The planets need to be seen in totality rather than just being seen as

retrograde or direct.

>

> Regards,

> Prakash

>

> -

> "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d

> valist

> Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

retrograde plants

> Tue, 24 May 2005 00:20:54 +0530

>

> >

> > Dear sri Tarun

> >

> > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when retrograde is an

asset

> > and saves the native from many negatives , this is supported by

ancient

> > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the effect may be

> > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . sometimes it

may

> > become week to do good or stronger than direct.

> >

> > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and if the

lagan is

> > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same.

> >

> > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the effects but

can

> > not change the nature of the planet.

> >

> > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with him, he

could

> > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees his power of

> > doing good would surely increase.

> >

> > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he would not

help

> > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize this amount for

> > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of evil would

only

> > increase.

> >

> > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices.

> >

> > Gurudatta Dash

> >

> > -

> > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst

> > <valist>

> > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM

> > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

> > retrograde plants

> >

> > > HEllo Gurudatta ji,

> > >

> > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of

> > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic even

> > > jupiter or venus or some else.

> > >

> > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates problem

> > > to native in every field..

> > >

> > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala..

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > tarun...

> > >

> > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash"

> > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote:

> > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad.

> > > >

> > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and there

> > > BALA is

> > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA i. e .

> > > longevity

> > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression.

> > > >

> > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a matter

> > > of

> > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the retrogression

> > > of the

> > > > planet as the pivotal point.

> > > >

> > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is expected

> > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in

> > > debilitation gives

> > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own house in

> > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result.

> > > >

> > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very

> > > auspicious and

> > > > malefic very malefic.

> > > >

> > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when they are

> > > retrograde

> > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes successful where

> > > other

> > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities.

> > > >

> > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its dasa and

> > > bhukty

> > > > when retrograde.

> > > >

> > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde are

> > > considered to

> > > > be highly destructive and malefics.

> > > >

> > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite auspicious

> > > result

> > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my 9 th

> > > lord and is

> > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange with an

> > > exalted

> > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave good

> > > result

> > > > partly due to its retrogression

> > > > - > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst>

> > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies"

> > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology"

> > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM

> > > > Retrograde planet in lagna

> > > >

> > > > > hello learned members,,

> > > > >

> > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members,

> > > > >

> > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it

> > > gives a

> > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu

> > > are always

> > > > retro..(as what i know)...

> > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in

> > > backward

> > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing behind

> > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see

> > > behind

> > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will

> > > count

> > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro

> > > drishti will

> > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it

> > > > >

> > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo

> > > even lord of

> > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..)

> > > > >

> > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a

> > > retro ...as rahu

> > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he dontknow

> > > right and

> > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do it ...without

> > > thinking

> > > > it right or wrong...

> > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same way...being

> > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he is

> > > right but

> > > > he is wrong.....

> > > > >

> > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say

> > > that the

> > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will

> > > think he is

> > > > right...

> > > > >

> > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > tarun.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Links

> > > > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

>

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Dear Shri Gurudatta Dash ji,

Yes, you have analysed the situation very positively and I agree with almost all

of your points.

Saturn has 3 SAV points in Gemini and is affected by Jupiter (5th aspect), Mars

(7th aspect) & Moon (all beneifc planets for Cancer ascendant-also moon is

powerful since I was born on Shukla Trayodashi). My observation is also similar

to yours with respect to Saturn working more as a benefic than a malefic.

Saturn also happens to occupy Punarvasu asterism that is ruled by Jupiter.

There is "dainya yoga" because of exchange of Mercury (in Capricorn) & Saturn

retrograde (in Gemini). To view this in totality you may like to analyse/see

the chart. The birth details are as follows:

DOB - 25th January, 1975

TOB - 5 PM

POB - Almora, Uttaranchal, India (earlier UP)

29.37 N 79.40 E

Saturn occupies Aries (10th house) in D-9 chart together with Sun.

I see some changes at the career level, can you please see this. I am seeing

changes for more than 7-8 months on this count.

On the mental state, I have become spiritual and philosophical over the last few

years and like to watch spiritual channels and listen to present day saints;

have also got interest in listening the devotional songs.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,

Prakash Kandpal

-

"Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d

valist

Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on retrograde

plants

Tue, 24 May 2005 13:17:19 +0530

>

> Dear sri Praksh

>

> you r correct in your observations. But u got good period in retrograde

> malefic Saturn Dasa , not because of the fact that it is retrograde , but it

> caused a yoga due its association with the yogakaarak and ascendant lord

> moon. Where as the aspect has much value as you have correctly observed.

>

> it is a common rule of astrology that whenever a malefic joins a benefic the

> Dasa period of malefic gives good result and the Dasa of benefic not so good

> result.

>

> And in this case it is doubly so as

>

> A VEEPARITA RAAJAYOGA IS ALSO CASUSED DUE TO THE PLACE MENT OF 8TH LORD IN

> 12TH . IT IS THIS YOGA THAT GAVE U GOOD RESULT LARGELY.

>

> now retrogression of a planet only causes the strength to increase , so your

> Saturn which is a neutral for cancer ascendant becomes a practically benefic

> planet as it is in association with moon , the Lagna lord. And involved in

> Veeparita Raajayoga , also if it is being aspected by benefices such as

> yogakaarak mars or Jupiter then it would surely give good result.

>

> so the whether a planet would operate as Subha or papa in its Dasa period

> depends on its placement, whether it is involved in any yoga is or not and

> the total configuration and not just one aspect as you have correctly

> observed.

>

> And if a planet is involved in a powerful yoga, the ordinary effects would

> be superseded by the Yoga-effect.

>

> Also, most of a time a planet when posited in the yoga -causing planets

> asterism gives benefic result even though it may be it self evil and may be

> in bad house.

>

> now whenever a planet is in mithuna , it would be either in the asterism of

> mars . Rahu or Jupiter . Mars and Jupiter being high rate yoga karakas for

> cancer Lagna, many a time any planet in the 12 th house of loss for cancer

> ascendant instead of giving bad results give very good results .

>

> and for this reason only an exalted Venus in Pisces in the asterism of

> mercury even though strong and in Bhaagya Bhaava , most auspicious place in

> a horoscope almost always gives adverse results in its Dasa or bhukti, as

> mercury is high rate malefic for cancer ascendant.

>

> so my humble opinion is that your Saturn placed with Lagna lord moon in the

> asterism of a benefic and involved in a Veeparita Raajayoga for all

> practical purposes would operate as benefic in its Dasa and bhukti and the

> retrogression only adds to its strength.

>

However such a placement of moon may cause sometimes deep depression and may

> lead to secluded life and a strange vacancy in the heart. Emotional

> frustrations are sometimes seen in such cases. However this observation of

> mine should be modified in accordance with the other planetary situations.

>

> and as per your reference to SADESATI, or transits of planets it is

> misleading to sudy the effect without taking help of ASTAKAVARGA , if the

> sign transited by Saturn has got more benefic points it would surely give

> good results whether it is Sadesati or not.

>

> Some experts opine that the 2nd round of Sadesati usually not as adverse as

> others.

>

> We are grateful to you for sharing your observations with us giving us a

> practical matter to study and it surely helped me to augment my experience

> in vedic astrology.

>

> Thanking you

>

> Gurudatta Dash

>

> -

> "Prakash Kandpal" <Pck

> <valist>

> Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:36 AM

> Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

> retrograde plants

>

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Dont know about other's experiences but I am going through malefic &

> retrograde Saturn's dasa, sadesaati, Saturn return etc. and its good and I

> have progressed in this more than in benefic planets dasa.

> >

> > I have Cancer ascendant and retrograde Saturn occupies 12th house with

> Moon.

> >

> > I think aspects count a lot on such retrograde planet besides the

> planetary exchanges relating to the house where the planet is retrograde

> also it need to be seen whether the planet that is retrograde is yogakaraka

> or not both from the Moon & ascendant specifically.

> >

> > The planets need to be seen in totality rather than just being seen as

> retrograde or direct.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Prakash

> >

> > -

> > "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d

> > valist

> > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

> retrograde plants

> > Tue, 24 May 2005 00:20:54 +0530

> >

> > >

> > > Dear sri Tarun

> > >

> > > Be absolutely sure that Jupiter in Lagna even when retrograde is an

> asset

> > > and saves the native from many negatives , this is supported by

> ancient

> > > authorities and confirmed by our experience. However the effect may be

> > > modified due its lordship and raasi in which the Lagna is . sometimes it

> may

> > > become week to do good or stronger than direct.

> > >

> > > For example if Lagna is cancer and the Jupiter is placed and if the

> lagan is

> > > Capricorn with Jupiter the result would never be same.

> > >

> > > RETROGRESSION being an additional bala , only modifies the effects but

> can

> > > not change the nature of the planet.

> > >

> > > Suppose a person is good & helping and he has 10 rupees with him, he

> could

> > > help people with only 10 rupees , but if he has 100 rupees his power of

> > > doing good would surely increase.

> > >

> > > Now suppose a person is destructive and he has 10 rupees, he would not

> help

> > > any body for his nature is bad, instead he would utilize this amount for

> > > negative purposes. Now if he has 100 rupees his power of evil would

> only

> > > increase.

> > >

> > > so is the case with retrograde benefices and malefices.

> > >

> > > Gurudatta Dash

> > >

> > > -

> > > "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst

> > > <valist>

> > > Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:05 PM

> > > Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

> > > retrograde plants

> > >

> > > > HEllo Gurudatta ji,

> > > >

> > > > I read ur mail..and found a different opinion from the rest of

> > > > astrologers,because many said that retro planets are maelefic even

> > > > jupiter or venus or some else.

> > > >

> > > > Like it is said if jupiter is in lagna and retro it creates problem

> > > > to native in every field..

> > > >

> > > > but u have a very strong point abt chesta bala..

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > tarun...

> > > >

> > > > valist, "Dr. Gurudatta Dash"

> > > > <gurudatta_d@h...> wrote:

> > > > > It is not that retrograde planets are always bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > Infact retrograde planets are supposed to be powerful and there

> > > > BALA is

> > > > > known as CHESTA BALA . And when calculating the AYURDAAYA i. e .

> > > > longevity

> > > > > the points are doubled when the planet is in retrogression.

> > > > >

> > > > > But how the retrograde planets give results practically is a matter

> > > > of

> > > > > controversy. Even certain Raajayogas are based on the retrogression

> > > > of the

> > > > > planet as the pivotal point.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is held that such planets give the opposite result as is expected

> > > > > noramally because of its placement. i.e. such a planet in

> > > > debilitation gives

> > > > > the result as if exalted and when in exaltation or in own house in

> > > > > retrogression ,- - quite ordinary result.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some authorities say that benefices when retro become very

> > > > auspicious and

> > > > > malefic very malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also certain planets are ascribed specifics results when they are

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > e.g. Jupiter when retrograde--- the person becomes successful where

> > > > other

> > > > > peoples fail and losses good opportunities.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus is said to be give highly auspicious result in its dasa and

> > > > bhukty

> > > > > when retrograde.

> > > > >

> > > > > However as a general rule mars and Saturn when retrograde are

> > > > considered to

> > > > > be highly destructive and malefics.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my horoscope Jupiter is retrograde and it gave quite auspicious

> > > > result

> > > > > even though it is in libra - enemy sign. Of course it is my 9 th

> > > > lord and is

> > > > > placed in 4th aspected by yogakaarak mars and in exchange with an

> > > > exalted

> > > > > Venus. Still I consider Jupiter in this particular case gave good

> > > > result

> > > > > partly due to its retrogression

> > > > > - > "~~Tarun~~" <tarun_vst>

> > > > > "Valist" <valist>; "jyotish remedies"

> > > > > <>; "Vedic Adtrology"

> > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:59 PM

> > > > > Retrograde planet in lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > > hello learned members,,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i wish to ask for opinion of the members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that if a planet is retrograde and placed in lagna...then it

> > > > gives a

> > > > > mentality or thinking in retro direction means like ketu or rahu

> > > > are always

> > > > > retro..(as what i know)...

> > > > > > the same way...retro means backward...like we move a car in

> > > > backward

> > > > > direction and we see backward so that we dont hit any thing behind

> > > > > > the same way a planet sees behind and its special drishti see

> > > > behind

> > > > > too..like saturn has 3rd and 10th aspect...and in retro it will

> > > > count

> > > > > backwards...means if it is placed in 12th house than its retro

> > > > drishti will

> > > > > be on planet placed in 10th house and so on....got it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and even if a nice planet like jupiter (big malefic for virgo

> > > > even lord of

> > > > > 4and 7th ...and yog karak for libra even lord of 3rd and 6th..)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > is in lagna and retro then the person will think like a

> > > > retro ...as rahu

> > > > > or ketu in lagna says the person will be crazy...means he dontknow

> > > > right and

> > > > > wrong ...if he is told something to do ...he can do it ...without

> > > > thinking

> > > > > it right or wrong...

> > > > > > the same way the retro jupiter will effect ...the same way...being

> > > > > spiritual but it will behave like ...ego......and thinks ...he is

> > > > right but

> > > > > he is wrong.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > at last i want to say that the retro jupiter in lagna will say

> > > > that the

> > > > > person will do sinful deeds or say negative things but he will

> > > > think he is

> > > > > right...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kindly tell me how much i have understood the topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tarun.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Links

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> >

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Dear sri Prakash,

Considering that your birth time is 5 pm IST ( is it exact 5 pm?), 3rd

degree of cancer rises in your ascendant , making it Vargottam. So Saturn

shifts to Lagna in Bhava chart and my earlier reading that Veeparita

Raajayoga is functional does not hold good. But the fact that Jupiter

aspects fully the 7 th lord would make u more fortunate during the period

due to the following verse from Jaatak Chandrikaa.

KENDRA TRIKONA NAETAROU DOSHYUKTAABAPISWAYAM

SAMABANDHAMAATRABALINOU BHABETAAM YOGAKAARAKOU.

Meaning:

Even if the lord of a Kendra and Kona are themselves blemished by the

evil-lordship, still if they have a relation they would cause yoga.

For cancer Lagna Jupiter is the lord of 9th Trikona but at the same time

suffers from evil-lordship of 6th , and Saturn lord of 7th Kendra suffers

from evil-lordship of 8th ; so there relation would be auspicious to the

native. However since only EKETARA DRISTY exists the results would not be

that intense.

But as the Jupiter aspects the 12th house of loss ,I feel much good must

not had been felt during Jupiter period even though it is lord of 9th. It

must have gave u many sad experiences. Jupiter is also lacks necessary

Sadbal to do good.

However Sani is in more than one way qualified to give you good carrier

opportunity.

In Navaamsa its association with exalted Ravi , placement in 10 th and its

connection with 2 yogakaarak in Raasi chart would see you much progress in

carrier esp as the transit Saturn shifts to cancer releasing your natal

Saturn and natal Moon after the month of May. Bhukti of mercury placed in

8th in Bhava ( though 7th in raasi chart ) in the asterism of yogakaarak

Mars and in exalted Navaamsa should give u much in respect of position ,

carrier and money matter as well as recognition despite many odds as it is

placed 8th from Dasa lord. As mercury rules astrology u would progress well

in that field also.

Bhukti of Jupiter, Venus in Saturn Mahaadasaa would also be auspicious.

However in your life you may observe that ;you may not get result as per

your caliber and qualification as Lagna has more bindus than 11th Bhava

which only contains 19 bindus ( auspicious points) and also 12 th house has

more bindus than 11th in SAVAASTAKAVARGA.

Dainya yoga is superseded by other good-yogas so its effect would be felt

minimally.

A love relation is indicated as the 5th and 7th lords are connected with

each other.

However pl see if the time of birth is fully correct or not for as u r born

in Rahu dasa a little difference may shift the timing of event to a great

extent. And would shift the ascendant degree to some extent so making a

change in Bhava chart.

Good time is ahead be happy.

But this birth of yours would make u see many not-so-pleasant-realities of

the world and sooner or latter it would make u shift your mind towards the

supreme reality.

May , HE bless you with divine knowledge , wisdom and foresight.

Gurudatta Dash

-

"Prakash Kandpal" <Pck

Cc: <gurudatta_d

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:13 PM

Re: Retrograde planet in lagna-some obseravations on

retrograde plants

> Dear Shri Gurudatta Dash ji,

>

> Yes, you have analysed the situation very positively and I agree with

almost all of your points.

>

> Saturn has 3 SAV points in Gemini and is affected by Jupiter (5th aspect),

Mars (7th aspect) & Moon (all beneifc planets for Cancer ascendant-also moon

is powerful since I was born on Shukla Trayodashi). My observation is also

similar to yours with respect to Saturn working more as a benefic than a

malefic. Saturn also happens to occupy Punarvasu asterism that is ruled by

Jupiter.

>

> There is "dainya yoga" because of exchange of Mercury (in Capricorn) &

Saturn retrograde (in Gemini). To view this in totality you may like to

analyse/see the chart. The birth details are as follows:

>

> DOB - 25th January, 1975

> TOB - 5 PM

> POB - Almora, Uttaranchal, India (earlier UP)

> 29.37 N 79.40 E

>

> Saturn occupies Aries (10th house) in D-9 chart together with Sun.

>

> I see some changes at the career level, can you please see this. I am

seeing changes for more than 7-8 months on this count.

>

> On the mental state, I have become spiritual and philosophical over the

last few years and like to watch spiritual channels and listen to present

day saints; have also got interest in listening the devotional songs.

>

> Thanks for your comments.

>

> Regards,

> Prakash Kandpal

>

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