On Prasna, or Vedic Horary Astrology - Comments? Juliana et al

[Guest guest]

Juliana,

 

It appears that you have researched the history of prasna tantra more

than most of us. For me, I am interested in applying the principles

correctly and getting the best results.

 

There are several prashna systems that are being used currently aside

from the one that uses Tajika rules and yogas. Pandit Sanjay Rath

uses a system that does not recognize any of the Tajika rules. Then

the Krishnamurti Paddhati system is something of a hybrid between

Vedic and Western astrology.

 

I have decided to use the system that Jyotishi Sumeet Chugh uses

since this is the most familiar to me. Besides, I find the use of

chakras, such as the Chandra Kalanala Chakra, in prasna to be most

interesting. The results of the chakra analyses are objective and

leave a precise interpretation of the prasna chart. As such, the

astrologer has a firmer ground for interpreting the rest of the

prashna chart by using the Tajika rules and yogas.

 

Another fascinating aspect of prasna is the use of nimittas. One of

the list members in another website used nimittas in responding to

one of my postings. While writing his response, he heard an

electical saw being used intermittently that reverberated near his

house. He asked me how to interpret this nimitta.

 

In my reply, I noted his keen observation and explained that the

nimitta related to my work habit of starting and stopping. Since I

work at home most of the time, I tend to wander off and play the

piano to take a break. So, there's much to learn in interpreting the

messages from Nature and from prasna tantra as well.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

PS

 

Further, I've been working on several chakras proposed by Kalidasa in

his book Uttara Kalamrita. These are fascinating because these

chakras can determine the best time for one to start an enterprise,

move into a house, build a house, and even move into another country

or town. Have you or any of the members used these chakras?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

valist, Juliana Swanson <omhamsa> wrote:

>

> Hi Mu, John, et al...

>

> Thanks for the discussion on Prasna and your book

> recommendations.

>

> I have not been able to find much good information on

> the history of Prasna Tantra. Have you?

>

> As you know, there is a great deal of information out

> there on Western Horary astrology, particularly as it

> has seen somewhat of a revival in the past 30 or so

> years in the West.

>

> From what I have read, the "Father" of Modern Horary,

> William Lilly, derived much of his information from

> the 13th Century work of Guido Bonatus, who learned it

> from the Romans, including Latin translations of 9th

> Century Arabic texts by Abu Ma'Shar. Evidently, the

> Arabs learned it from the Greeks--Ptolemy, Dorotheus

> of Sidon, and Antioch of Athens--and the Greeks

> derived their knowledge from the records in Egypt (at

> Alexandria), which came from the Babylonians.

>

> Like Western Horary astrology, Prasna Tantra relies on

> the use of omens for divination, so both these systems

> have probably drawn upon the omen literature of

> Babylon and later Sumeria, the areas in the Middle

> East that many historians believe gave rise to all

> branches of astrology.

>

> Prasna Tantra also uses the Persian (Tajika) aspects,

> so, did it come to India by way of Arab traders?

> Prasna Tantra is mostly followed in Kerala, right? I

> know that the Indian records state that astrology

> became a systematic area of study around 3200 BC, but

> I am not aware if Prasna Tantra was part of this early

> system.

>

> What I am getting at is that IF Western Horaray and

> Prasna Tantra have the same origins (from the Arabs

> who derived much of their knowledge from the Greeks,

> who derived it from the ancient Babylonians) then the

> two systems are highly similar, as we already know

> from studying and practicing both.

>

> It may be useful and liberating in some wild and

> mysterious way to combine and refine techniques from

> both systems into a new universal system that uses the

> Sidereal zodiac. I have been doing this very thing

> using Varshphala and Western Solar Returns and it

> works well for me. I imagine this idea is subversive

> to some traditionalists for whom "never the twain

> shall meet."

>

> Love your thoughts and ideas, thanks so much!

> Juliana S.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes John,

 

You example of nimitta is pretty much how it works. things around us

are to be observed. I have found that it works in both chart reading

and in when you meet or see people in all sorts of odd ways.

 

I know there are a lot of traditional rules but currently I am

finding observation works.

 

I dont know if you have some comments how you feel the traditional

rules tie in?

 

Thats worthy of further discussion

 

I have read charts in various circumstances (not always in secluded

places) and one time these children suddenly rushed over and ran

around and ran off and came back. So I took note and said to the

client that obviously her family were coming and going out of her

life. And it turned out that was her concern.

 

Another person picked up the newspaper and started to read as I

calculated the chart. Mercury was in the Ascendant, and a few other

factors. I concluded he was doing something to do with writing that

was in the news. It was correct.

 

I met someone in the neighbourhood for the first time who moved in a

nearby house (this happened a few years back) and the police rolled

up just at that moment, another person in the neighbourhood had

called them for some unrelated incident, by mistake as it turned out.

These people were always calling the police, but you would never

guess it to look at them. Hence that encounter was very informative.

 

So it pays to be observant.

 

dawn

 

 

 

 

valist, "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> Juliana,

>

> It appears that you have researched the history of prasna tantra

more

> than most of us. For me, I am interested in applying the

principles

> correctly and getting the best results.

>

> There are several prashna systems that are being used currently

aside

> from the one that uses Tajika rules and yogas. Pandit Sanjay Rath

> uses a system that does not recognize any of the Tajika rules.

Then

> the Krishnamurti Paddhati system is something of a hybrid between

> Vedic and Western astrology.

>

> I have decided to use the system that Jyotishi Sumeet Chugh uses

> since this is the most familiar to me. Besides, I find the use of

> chakras, such as the Chandra Kalanala Chakra, in prasna to be most

> interesting. The results of the chakra analyses are objective and

> leave a precise interpretation of the prasna chart. As such, the

> astrologer has a firmer ground for interpreting the rest of the

> prashna chart by using the Tajika rules and yogas.

>

> Another fascinating aspect of prasna is the use of nimittas. One

of

> the list members in another website used nimittas in responding to

> one of my postings. While writing his response, he heard an

> electical saw being used intermittently that reverberated near his

> house. He asked me how to interpret this nimitta.

>

> In my reply, I noted his keen observation and explained that the

> nimitta related to my work habit of starting and stopping. Since I

> work at home most of the time, I tend to wander off and play the

> piano to take a break. So, there's much to learn in interpreting

the

> messages from Nature and from prasna tantra as well.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

> PS

>

> Further, I've been working on several chakras proposed by Kalidasa

in

> his book Uttara Kalamrita. These are fascinating because these

> chakras can determine the best time for one to start an enterprise,

> move into a house, build a house, and even move into another

country

> or town. Have you or any of the members used these chakras?

>

>

>

>

>

>

valist, Juliana Swanson <omhamsa> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Mu, John, et al...

> >

> > Thanks for the discussion on Prasna and your book

> > recommendations.

> >

> > I have not been able to find much good information on

> > the history of Prasna Tantra. Have you?

> >

> > As you know, there is a great deal of information out

> > there on Western Horary astrology, particularly as it

> > has seen somewhat of a revival in the past 30 or so

> > years in the West.

> >

> > From what I have read, the "Father" of Modern Horary,

> > William Lilly, derived much of his information from

> > the 13th Century work of Guido Bonatus, who learned it

> > from the Romans, including Latin translations of 9th

> > Century Arabic texts by Abu Ma'Shar. Evidently, the

> > Arabs learned it from the Greeks--Ptolemy, Dorotheus

> > of Sidon, and Antioch of Athens--and the Greeks

> > derived their knowledge from the records in Egypt (at

> > Alexandria), which came from the Babylonians.

> >

> > Like Western Horary astrology, Prasna Tantra relies on

> > the use of omens for divination, so both these systems

> > have probably drawn upon the omen literature of

> > Babylon and later Sumeria, the areas in the Middle

> > East that many historians believe gave rise to all

> > branches of astrology.

> >

> > Prasna Tantra also uses the Persian (Tajika) aspects,

> > so, did it come to India by way of Arab traders?

> > Prasna Tantra is mostly followed in Kerala, right? I

> > know that the Indian records state that astrology

> > became a systematic area of study around 3200 BC, but

> > I am not aware if Prasna Tantra was part of this early

> > system.

> >

> > What I am getting at is that IF Western Horaray and

> > Prasna Tantra have the same origins (from the Arabs

> > who derived much of their knowledge from the Greeks,

> > who derived it from the ancient Babylonians) then the

> > two systems are highly similar, as we already know

> > from studying and practicing both.

> >

> > It may be useful and liberating in some wild and

> > mysterious way to combine and refine techniques from

> > both systems into a new universal system that uses the

> > Sidereal zodiac. I have been doing this very thing

> > using Varshphala and Western Solar Returns and it

> > works well for me. I imagine this idea is subversive

> > to some traditionalists for whom "never the twain

> > shall meet."

> >

> > Love your thoughts and ideas, thanks so much!

> > Juliana S.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >