Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hi everyone, This one is written while I¹m normal, calm. I read the various posts on mental disease and yogas for same. Myself, I fall into manic depression and borderline and night fright type of anxiety. I don¹t have the super highs of the real bi polars, where they have to be strapped down and such. As for yogas, the most important thing is Saturn, for sadness. If it affects the moon, then the emotions are saddened. That¹s the first and most paramount thing. Then in Ketu affects the Moon, strange ideas come more easily. Same with Rahu, but of a different type than Ketu. Now, a lot of my problem is caused by a VERY STRONG Jupiter. Yes, this is true. When he is very strong, the narcissism increases to such a degree that one is VERY driven. Strong desire leads to frustration which leads to sadness or anger, depression. Since I have 10th lord Saturn, right on the midheaven (telling me to work constantly) and a strong Jupiter (matter, be a leader, a spiritual leader, be perfect, be known, be great, etc), so this is very stressful. It is also very self centered. Since I have 7th lord in the 1st, I really want others to like me, and really identify with the others as self. There¹s no difference, so to speak. That¹s a setup for Borderline Personality Disorder, one of the effects of which is that you don¹t have good boundaries, all is one, everybody is your friend. People don¹t respond to such intrusion, and when I feel that from a woman, with my Jupiter and Venus, I get hurt. So it¹s complex to derive out the particular mental frame from any chart because you do have to look at everything. But Saturn, above all, is the cause of most problems, overall. He¹s the one who puts the salt in the milk of life, making it hard to have a ³really great life² here. Pressure, stress, problems, interference, sadness, delays, hardships, are just a few of his bag of tricks. Mania, comes from the Goddess of the same name of Early Italy, the Etruscan culture, pre-rome. The devotees of ³Mania² used to dance wildly and crazily. Thus, the word maniac was derived for someone wild and crazy with energy. Mania in yourself, which I have, means that you are scintillating with energy all the time. You notice everything. Your skin tingles often. Sri Caitanya of the Hare Krishna cult was definitely experiencing this. Mania by itself is intoxicating. Energy is a good thing right? Except when you want to sleep! It¹s very hard for us to sleep. I can take a lot of drugs for sleeping, and still wake up, wide awake, 4 hours later, always, year after year. It¹s very annoying, and you live tired, but still in mania, so the effect is to become worn out to a point that is incomparable. It¹s a type of torture to deprive one of sleep and we do it to ourselves, or our chemistry does it to us. When you are young, and in mania, you survive better, but as you get older, and more and more and more worn down by it, you begin to feel hopeless. Although feeling energetic on one level, you can¹t move, because you are so tired, so you live in constant frustration. If you are also borderline, and thus lonely, but have no energy for socializing, then where are you? Sleep is a BIG factor in curing all mental illness, or any illness. I put some effort into trying to sleep, like now, at the good advice of Michael Taft, I have a little altar to my gone parents, and I say goodnight to them and thank them for my life. That¹s a really nice bed time thought. I also burn sage (smudge) in my bedroom just before bed. I also make my bed. I also take my pills, and no way do I drink caffeine any time during the day except early morning if that. I am tired right now, and although I have not had coffee, like always, I woke up around 4 and no way could I fall back asleep. BING. The eyes open and a million thoughts come flooding in. Right now my legs are jiggling up and down, they do that all day everyday, when I¹m not pacing. So mania is energy. Too much energy. Scintillating energy, static, electricity, heat, burning. My hands are sweaty and warm. I¹m usually warmer than others. This is why the exercise idea comes in to play. By getting strong aerobic exercise, one burns off some of that energy, and gets more ³real² tired in them for sleeping. It¹s very true. But ³maniacs² find exercise so very boring, they tend to avoid it, unless it¹s fun, so that¹s another trick, make it fun. Myself, I¹ve got two swords, instead of weights. I swing swords (they¹ve Celtic heavy ones). I find that more fun than lifting weights. Dancing, more fun than jogging, etc. The depression comes from that because of the ³getting worn down² factor of energy with sleep, and also in some cases like mine ³wants too much² (good benefic placements). My anxiety is ancestral, planetary, learned, whatever. It¹s very real in the dream state. I have severe nightmares of war, death, torture, etc., every other night roughly, and wake up screaming (no, no, no!) and crying (really). Astrologically, this is the Saturn and Ketu with Moon, fourth lord, indicating that matrilineal (4th lord, which is my moon as I¹m Aries rising), that from my mothers blood comes genetic memory of such things (She¹s pure Black Irish, so there you go). You could say that anyone born Aries rising with an afflicted Moon is going to be haunted by mother¹s ancestral troubles, and being Aries rising, will tend to act out on this, or be a warrior, or have troubles in life from this as Aries rising simply does not support stability. It¹s very good in many ways, but it¹s not about being landed and grounded. Then of course, my Moon is in Saturn¹s sign, aspected only by Saturn, and is with Ketu, and this goes into the Navamsa as well mostly. And Moon is in the eleventh. That assures us of the ³desire full² nature of the person, me. So, desire full, Jesus complex (Jupiter in 9th in own sign), lusty (Venus in first in Aries), wastes energy (Mars in 12th), yada yada yada... I am being this honest, partly because I¹m borderline, yes, that¹s a trait of it, trusts everyone, remember? And also because it¹s true and good education, I think, I hope. My Jupiter gives me enough pride to not consider these things bad, and also, enough pride to think ³screw you if you don¹t like me². I really am proud beyond because of that, but rightly so too, as they give both ways. I know I am doing this in goodness, and see... See how I¹m talking about me me me me me, that¹s another sign of Jupiter in a trine in it¹s own sign. 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 you are ALWAYS normal, just remember that. abnormal? what is that anyway. Hang in there my brother. love your way today Das Das Goravani <> wrote: Hi everyone, This one is written while I¹m normal, calm. I read the various posts on mental disease and yogas for same. Myself, I fall into manic depression and borderline and night fright type of anxiety. I don¹t have the super highs of the real bi polars, where they have to be strapped down and such. As for yogas, the most important thing is Saturn, for sadness. If it affects the moon, then the emotions are saddened. That¹s the first and most paramount thing. Then in Ketu affects the Moon, strange ideas come more easily. Same with Rahu, but of a different type than Ketu. Now, a lot of my problem is caused by a VERY STRONG Jupiter. Yes, this is true. When he is very strong, the narcissism increases to such a degree that one is VERY driven. Strong desire leads to frustration which leads to sadness or anger, depression. Since I have 10th lord Saturn, right on the midheaven (telling me to work constantly) and a strong Jupiter (matter, be a leader, a spiritual leader, be perfect, be known, be great, etc), so this is very stressful. It is also very self centered. Since I have 7th lord in the 1st, I really want others to like me, and really identify with the others as self. There¹s no difference, so to speak. That¹s a setup for Borderline Personality Disorder, one of the effects of which is that you don¹t have good boundaries, all is one, everybody is your friend. People don¹t respond to such intrusion, and when I feel that from a woman, with my Jupiter and Venus, I get hurt. So it¹s complex to derive out the particular mental frame from any chart because you do have to look at everything. But Saturn, above all, is the cause of most problems, overall. He¹s the one who puts the salt in the milk of life, making it hard to have a ³really great life² here. Pressure, stress, problems, interference, sadness, delays, hardships, are just a few of his bag of tricks. Mania, comes from the Goddess of the same name of Early Italy, the Etruscan culture, pre-rome. The devotees of ³Mania² used to dance wildly and crazily. Thus, the word maniac was derived for someone wild and crazy with energy. Mania in yourself, which I have, means that you are scintillating with energy all the time. You notice everything. Your skin tingles often. Sri Caitanya of the Hare Krishna cult was definitely experiencing this. Mania by itself is intoxicating. Energy is a good thing right? Except when you want to sleep! It¹s very hard for us to sleep. I can take a lot of drugs for sleeping, and still wake up, wide awake, 4 hours later, always, year after year. It¹s very annoying, and you live tired, but still in mania, so the effect is to become worn out to a point that is incomparable. It¹s a type of torture to deprive one of sleep and we do it to ourselves, or our chemistry does it to us. When you are young, and in mania, you survive better, but as you get older, and more and more and more worn down by it, you begin to feel hopeless. Although feeling energetic on one level, you can¹t move, because you are so tired, so you live in constant frustration. If you are also borderline, and thus lonely, but have no energy for socializing, then where are you? Sleep is a BIG factor in curing all mental illness, or any illness. I put some effort into trying to sleep, like now, at the good advice of Michael Taft, I have a little altar to my gone parents, and I say goodnight to them and thank them for my life. That¹s a really nice bed time thought. I also burn sage (smudge) in my bedroom just before bed. I also make my bed. I also take my pills, and no way do I drink caffeine any time during the day except early morning if that. I am tired right now, and although I have not had coffee, like always, I woke up around 4 and no way could I fall back asleep. BING. The eyes open and a million thoughts come flooding in. Right now my legs are jiggling up and down, they do that all day everyday, when I¹m not pacing. So mania is energy. Too much energy. Scintillating energy, static, electricity, heat, burning. My hands are sweaty and warm. I¹m usually warmer than others. This is why the exercise idea comes in to play. By getting strong aerobic exercise, one burns off some of that energy, and gets more ³real² tired in them for sleeping. It¹s very true. But ³maniacs² find exercise so very boring, they tend to avoid it, unless it¹s fun, so that¹s another trick, make it fun. Myself, I¹ve got two swords, instead of weights. I swing swords (they¹ve Celtic heavy ones). I find that more fun than lifting weights. Dancing, more fun than jogging, etc. The depression comes from that because of the ³getting worn down² factor of energy with sleep, and also in some cases like mine ³wants too much² (good benefic placements). My anxiety is ancestral, planetary, learned, whatever. It¹s very real in the dream state. I have severe nightmares of war, death, torture, etc., every other night roughly, and wake up screaming (no, no, no!) and crying (really). Astrologically, this is the Saturn and Ketu with Moon, fourth lord, indicating that matrilineal (4th lord, which is my moon as I¹m Aries rising), that from my mothers blood comes genetic memory of such things (She¹s pure Black Irish, so there you go). You could say that anyone born Aries rising with an afflicted Moon is going to be haunted by mother¹s ancestral troubles, and being Aries rising, will tend to act out on this, or be a warrior, or have troubles in life from this as Aries rising simply does not support stability. It¹s very good in many ways, but it¹s not about being landed and grounded. Then of course, my Moon is in Saturn¹s sign, aspected only by Saturn, and is with Ketu, and this goes into the Navamsa as well mostly. And Moon is in the eleventh. That assures us of the ³desire full² nature of the person, me. So, desire full, Jesus complex (Jupiter in 9th in own sign), lusty (Venus in first in Aries), wastes energy (Mars in 12th), yada yada yada... I am being this honest, partly because I¹m borderline, yes, that¹s a trait of it, trusts everyone, remember? And also because it¹s true and good education, I think, I hope. My Jupiter gives me enough pride to not consider these things bad, and also, enough pride to think ³screw you if you don¹t like me². I really am proud beyond because of that, but rightly so too, as they give both ways. I know I am doing this in goodness, and see... See how I¹m talking about me me me me me, that¹s another sign of Jupiter in a trine in it¹s own sign. 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Dear Das, when do u think u are going to produce Programme 3.00 as I am facing quite a few problems with 2,5 at the moment - I am going to send the list of problems bu mail later on regards pdk (Panditji) Das Goravani <> wrote: Hi everyone, This one is written while I¹m normal, calm. I read the various posts on mental disease and yogas for same. Myself, I fall into manic depression and borderline and night fright type of anxiety. I don¹t have the super highs of the real bi polars, where they have to be strapped down and such. As for yogas, the most important thing is Saturn, for sadness. If it affects the moon, then the emotions are saddened. That¹s the first and most paramount thing. Then in Ketu affects the Moon, strange ideas come more easily. Same with Rahu, but of a different type than Ketu. Now, a lot of my problem is caused by a VERY STRONG Jupiter. Yes, this is true. When he is very strong, the narcissism increases to such a degree that one is VERY driven. Strong desire leads to frustration which leads to sadness or anger, depression. Since I have 10th lord Saturn, right on the midheaven (telling me to work constantly) and a strong Jupiter (matter, be a leader, a spiritual leader, be perfect, be known, be great, etc), so this is very stressful. It is also very self centered. Since I have 7th lord in the 1st, I really want others to like me, and really identify with the others as self. There¹s no difference, so to speak. That¹s a setup for Borderline Personality Disorder, one of the effects of which is that you don¹t have good boundaries, all is one, everybody is your friend. People don¹t respond to such intrusion, and when I feel that from a woman, with my Jupiter and Venus, I get hurt. So it¹s complex to derive out the particular mental frame from any chart because you do have to look at everything. But Saturn, above all, is the cause of most problems, overall. He¹s the one who puts the salt in the milk of life, making it hard to have a ³really great life² here. Pressure, stress, problems, interference, sadness, delays, hardships, are just a few of his bag of tricks. Mania, comes from the Goddess of the same name of Early Italy, the Etruscan culture, pre-rome. The devotees of ³Mania² used to dance wildly and crazily. Thus, the word maniac was derived for someone wild and crazy with energy. Mania in yourself, which I have, means that you are scintillating with energy all the time. You notice everything. Your skin tingles often. Sri Caitanya of the Hare Krishna cult was definitely experiencing this. Mania by itself is intoxicating. Energy is a good thing right? Except when you want to sleep! It¹s very hard for us to sleep. I can take a lot of drugs for sleeping, and still wake up, wide awake, 4 hours later, always, year after year. It¹s very annoying, and you live tired, but still in mania, so the effect is to become worn out to a point that is incomparable. It¹s a type of torture to deprive one of sleep and we do it to ourselves, or our chemistry does it to us. When you are young, and in mania, you survive better, but as you get older, and more and more and more worn down by it, you begin to feel hopeless. Although feeling energetic on one level, you can¹t move, because you are so tired, so you live in constant frustration. If you are also borderline, and thus lonely, but have no energy for socializing, then where are you? Sleep is a BIG factor in curing all mental illness, or any illness. I put some effort into trying to sleep, like now, at the good advice of Michael Taft, I have a little altar to my gone parents, and I say goodnight to them and thank them for my life. That¹s a really nice bed time thought. I also burn sage (smudge) in my bedroom just before bed. I also make my bed. I also take my pills, and no way do I drink caffeine any time during the day except early morning if that. I am tired right now, and although I have not had coffee, like always, I woke up around 4 and no way could I fall back asleep. BING. The eyes open and a million thoughts come flooding in. Right now my legs are jiggling up and down, they do that all day everyday, when I¹m not pacing. So mania is energy. Too much energy. Scintillating energy, static, electricity, heat, burning. My hands are sweaty and warm. I¹m usually warmer than others. This is why the exercise idea comes in to play. By getting strong aerobic exercise, one burns off some of that energy, and gets more ³real² tired in them for sleeping. It¹s very true. But ³maniacs² find exercise so very boring, they tend to avoid it, unless it¹s fun, so that¹s another trick, make it fun. Myself, I¹ve got two swords, instead of weights. I swing swords (they¹ve Celtic heavy ones). I find that more fun than lifting weights. Dancing, more fun than jogging, etc. The depression comes from that because of the ³getting worn down² factor of energy with sleep, and also in some cases like mine ³wants too much² (good benefic placements). My anxiety is ancestral, planetary, learned, whatever. It¹s very real in the dream state. I have severe nightmares of war, death, torture, etc., every other night roughly, and wake up screaming (no, no, no!) and crying (really). Astrologically, this is the Saturn and Ketu with Moon, fourth lord, indicating that matrilineal (4th lord, which is my moon as I¹m Aries rising), that from my mothers blood comes genetic memory of such things (She¹s pure Black Irish, so there you go). You could say that anyone born Aries rising with an afflicted Moon is going to be haunted by mother¹s ancestral troubles, and being Aries rising, will tend to act out on this, or be a warrior, or have troubles in life from this as Aries rising simply does not support stability. It¹s very good in many ways, but it¹s not about being landed and grounded. Then of course, my Moon is in Saturn¹s sign, aspected only by Saturn, and is with Ketu, and this goes into the Navamsa as well mostly. And Moon is in the eleventh. That assures us of the ³desire full² nature of the person, me. So, desire full, Jesus complex (Jupiter in 9th in own sign), lusty (Venus in first in Aries), wastes energy (Mars in 12th), yada yada yada... I am being this honest, partly because I¹m borderline, yes, that¹s a trait of it, trusts everyone, remember? And also because it¹s true and good education, I think, I hope. My Jupiter gives me enough pride to not consider these things bad, and also, enough pride to think ³screw you if you don¹t like me². I really am proud beyond because of that, but rightly so too, as they give both ways. I know I am doing this in goodness, and see... See how I¹m talking about me me me me me, that¹s another sign of Jupiter in a trine in it¹s own sign. 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