Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Namaste, Re: Ashutosh's post on Bipolar Manic-Depression, with respect, I can sense the kindest intentions in your post to Das. However, as a health professional and someone who has witnessed the devastating results of this disease first-hand among certain of my family members, friends, and clients, I have to caution anyone against trivializing this disease. Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious psychopathological syndrome that is not common to "half of world's population and all world leaders," as Ashutosh has written. Actually, most statistics state that only about 1-2% of the world's population has this disease. Ashutosh wrote, "We all are manic-depressive to some extent, working to death at times and lazing around aimlessly otherwise." Certainly, it is human nature to have our moods rise and fall like the tides, BUT PLEASE, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIPOLAR MANIC-DEPRESSION! I am by no means an expert on this topic, but I have researched it enough to know that Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious mental illness characterized by the presence of depression and/or mania, which can include violent and paranoid ideation and behavior. With respect to Das and all who suffer Bipolar Manic-Depression, the other side of this disorder may be intellectual brilliance, magnetism, and artistic creativity. Learning how to balance these two sides is the key to success for those who suffer from it. There are different gradations of Bipolar Manic-Depression, and certainly many different ways to treat it. The most conventionally successful way is with Lithium and other medications like anti- psychotics and anti-convulsants. I know of certain other alternative therapies that may work for some but not for others. Maintaining good overall health, for example, eating well and getting regular aerobic exercise, seems to help keep this disorder in balance. However, as far as I have been able to discern, no substantial research, other than anecdotal evidence, exists on alternative therapies. Please correct me if I am wrong on this. One of the problems with Bipolar Manic-Depression is that its sufferers typically do not like to take their medications routinely, as they often dislike routines in general. This is a symptom of the disease. Often, they will self-medicate with prescribed drugs as well as alcohol and other CNS depressants and recreational substances, which is a sure way to have a hypomanic or full-blown manic episode, or conversely in certain instances, a depressive episode. Because the disease progress often changes with the seasons and other external factors, it seems that the most well adjusted patients have their medications and dosages regulated regularly by a qualified mental health professional, the obvious best being a board- certified psychopharmacologist. However, due to the often-willful nature of these individuals, they feel they "know better" than anyone else, thus they do not always seek to maintain professional support. It seems to be clear that, left untreated, Bipolar Manic-Depression tends to worsen so that the person experiences more severe episodes of mania or depression and the possibility of suicidal ideation and behavior. I highly recommend a wonderful book on this subject titled _An Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness_ by Kay Redfield Jamison, a psychiatrist and one who suffers from this disease. She writes, "Suicide, which is both a stereotypic yet highly individualized act, is a common endpoint for many patients with severe psychiatric illness. The mood disorders (depression and bipolar manic-depression) are by far the most common psychiatric conditions associated with suicide. At least 25% to 50% of patients with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once. With the exception of lithium--which is the most demonstrably effective treatment against suicide-remarkably little is known about specific contributions of mood-altering treatments to minimizing mortality rates in persons with major mood disorders in general and bipolar depression in particular. Suicide is usually a manifestation of severe psychiatric distress that is often associated with a diagnosable and treatable form of depression or other mental illness." If you would like to know more about this serious disease, I refer you to "Bipolar Disorder: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition," 1994 (American Psychiatric Association, 1400 K Street NW, Suite 1101, Washington, DC 20005-2403 USA). http://www.manicdepressive.org/dsm.html As Ashutosh stated, Rahu and Ketu and afflictions to the Moon are quite often implicated in mental illness. Additionally, after studying many charts of individuals with psychiatric disorders, I have found that there are other possible factors, too. Following are just some of the main ones I have found: First among many other factors, we have to examine the Moon and Mercury, the First, Fourth and Fifth Houses, and the First, Fourth, and Fifth House lords, from the Rasi Lagna Chart (2/3 influence), the Chandra Lagna Chart (1/3 influence), and the Navamsa chart (the Navamsa corroberates the main charts). If any of these have affliction by the lords of houses 3, 6, and 11 or by planets in combustion, Sandhi/Gandanta, debilitation, placement in the sign of an enemy or in a Dusthana, Papakartari Yoga, association with or influence by separative planets (Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, Sun and 12th lord), and, dispositorship by poorly placed malefics, then there are indications for mental imbalance. When there is confluence between such factors in the Rasi chart and the Chandra Lagna chart, as well as the vargas (D-3/9/12/16/30), then it is even more likely to occur. Because passion in excess can lead to mental imbalance, I also note the condition of the significators of passion: the lords of houses 5, 7 and 12. A graha ruling over two of these houses can give a strong passionate nature, such as Mars for Taurus Lagna charts, and Venus for Gemini Rising charts. In addition, we have to look at the condition of Mars and Venus, the sthira karakas of passion. In Bipolar Manic-Depression, I have frequently seen any of the following in the Rasi or Navamsa chart: the Moon and Mars in mutual aspect and in kendras, Mars and Venus contacts, Venus/Mars/Moon contacts with the Nodes, or yogas between Mercury and Mars. In the latter case, an example would be Matibhramana Yoga with Mercury in an unfriendly rasi and in a Dusthana aspected by Mars also in an unfriendly rasi/malefic bhava, which can over-energize and cloud the mind. Mars in opposition to Pluto and Saturn aspects to Neptune in the Rasi or Navamsa are also common in the charts of those with Bipolar Disorder, depending on where these graha reside. The zero degree may carry with it qualities of impetuosity and immaturity, and I have actually seen this as the Lagna degree in a few charts of individuals with Bipolar disorder, one at 0 Cancer and another at 0 Sagittarius. Many planets in Dwishwabhava rasis and placed in Dusthanas can be a factor. Often we will see Jupiter afflictions in Bipolar Manic-Depression, with possible indications of arrogance, impulsivity, and a distorted ego. Afflictions to any key planets in Bharani, Ardra, Ashelsha, Magha, Jyestha, Mula, Purva Phalguni, Purva Ashada, and Purva Bhadrapada are also common. As an example, Purva Ashadha afflictions may reveal hubris and an over-expansive nature that fails to consider the feelings and opinions of others. Violent thoughts, delusional thinking, and self-deception may be present, as in Bipolar Manic- Depression. Obviously, we also need to consider the Dasas and transits that can indicate disease progress and triggers for the disease. Best regards, Juliana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Dear Juliana, what you wrote is extremly interesting to me. I have got a friend (I posted the dates some time ago: female , born 17.1.65, time 8:56 am, place Hamburg), who is borderline. "Borderline syndrom" is often called also "soft bi-polar". Can you agree with that, and what do you think about my friend? (A memeber of this group has pointed out a weak moon in 0 degree cancer, a mecury-ketu mutal exchange with respect to the Naksharta rulers, and a ketu in Gandanta.) Yours Christian Am Sa, 2005-04-16 um 21.02 schrieb omhamsa: > > Namaste, > > Re: Ashutosh's post on Bipolar Manic-Depression, with respect, I can > sense the kindest intentions in your post to Das. However, as a > health professional and someone who has witnessed the devastating > results of this disease first-hand among certain of my family > members, friends, and clients, I have to caution anyone against > trivializing this disease. > > Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious psychopathological syndrome > that is not common to "half of world's population and all world > leaders," as Ashutosh has written. Actually, most statistics state > that only about 1-2% of the world's population has this disease. > > Ashutosh wrote, "We all are manic-depressive to some extent, working > to death at times and lazing around aimlessly otherwise." Certainly, > it is human nature to have our moods rise and fall like the tides, > BUT PLEASE, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIPOLAR MANIC-DEPRESSION! > > I am by no means an expert on this topic, but I have researched it > enough to know that Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious mental > illness characterized by the presence of depression and/or mania, > which can include violent and paranoid ideation and behavior. With > respect to Das and all who suffer Bipolar Manic-Depression, the > other side of this disorder may be intellectual brilliance, > magnetism, and artistic creativity. Learning how to balance these > two sides is the key to success for those who suffer from it. > > There are different gradations of Bipolar Manic-Depression, and > certainly many different ways to treat it. The most conventionally > successful way is with Lithium and other medications like anti- > psychotics and anti-convulsants. I know of certain other alternative > therapies that may work for some but not for others. Maintaining > good overall health, for example, eating well and getting regular > aerobic exercise, seems to help keep this disorder in balance. > However, as far as I have been able to discern, no substantial > research, other than anecdotal evidence, exists on alternative > therapies. Please correct me if I am wrong on this. > > One of the problems with Bipolar Manic-Depression is that its > sufferers typically do not like to take their medications routinely, > as they often dislike routines in general. This is a symptom of the > disease. Often, they will self-medicate with prescribed drugs as > well as alcohol and other CNS depressants and recreational > substances, which is a sure way to have a hypomanic or full-blown > manic episode, or conversely in certain instances, a depressive > episode. Because the disease progress often changes with the seasons > and other external factors, it seems that the most well adjusted > patients have their medications and dosages regulated regularly by a > qualified mental health professional, the obvious best being a board- > certified psychopharmacologist. However, due to the often-willful > nature of these individuals, they feel they "know better" than > anyone else, thus they do not always seek to maintain professional > support. > > It seems to be clear that, left untreated, Bipolar Manic-Depression > tends to worsen so that the person experiences more severe episodes > of mania or depression and the possibility of suicidal ideation and > behavior. > > I highly recommend a wonderful book on this subject titled _An > Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness_ by Kay Redfield > Jamison, a psychiatrist and one who suffers from this disease. She > writes, "Suicide, which is both a stereotypic yet highly > individualized act, is a common endpoint for many patients with > severe psychiatric illness. The mood disorders (depression and > bipolar manic-depression) are by far the most common psychiatric > conditions associated with suicide. At least 25% to 50% of patients > with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once. With the > exception of lithium--which is the most demonstrably effective > treatment against suicide-remarkably little is known about specific > contributions of mood-altering treatments to minimizing mortality > rates in persons with major mood disorders in general and bipolar > depression in particular. Suicide is usually a manifestation of > severe psychiatric distress that is often associated with a > diagnosable and treatable form of depression or other mental > illness." > > If you would like to know more about this serious disease, I refer > you to "Bipolar Disorder: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of > Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition," 1994 (American Psychiatric > Association, 1400 K Street NW, Suite 1101, Washington, DC 20005-2403 > USA). http://www.manicdepressive.org/dsm.html > > As Ashutosh stated, Rahu and Ketu and afflictions to the Moon are > quite often implicated in mental illness. Additionally, after > studying many charts of individuals with psychiatric disorders, I > have found that there are other possible factors, too. Following are > just some of the main ones I have found: > > First among many other factors, we have to examine the Moon and > Mercury, the First, Fourth and Fifth Houses, and the First, Fourth, > and Fifth House lords, from the Rasi Lagna Chart (2/3 influence), > the Chandra Lagna Chart (1/3 influence), and the Navamsa chart (the > Navamsa corroberates the main charts). If any of these have > affliction by the lords of houses 3, 6, and 11 or by planets in > combustion, Sandhi/Gandanta, debilitation, placement in the sign of > an enemy or in a Dusthana, Papakartari Yoga, association with or > influence by separative planets (Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, Sun and 12th > lord), and, dispositorship by poorly placed malefics, then there are > indications for mental imbalance. When there is confluence between > such factors in the Rasi chart and the Chandra Lagna chart, as well > as the vargas (D-3/9/12/16/30), then it is even more likely to > occur. > > Because passion in excess can lead to mental imbalance, I also note > the condition of the significators of passion: the lords of houses > 5, 7 and 12. A graha ruling over two of these houses can give a > strong passionate nature, such as Mars for Taurus Lagna charts, and > Venus for Gemini Rising charts. In addition, we have to look at the > condition of Mars and Venus, the sthira karakas of passion. > > In Bipolar Manic-Depression, I have frequently seen any of the > following in the Rasi or Navamsa chart: the Moon and Mars in mutual > aspect and in kendras, Mars and Venus contacts, Venus/Mars/Moon > contacts with the Nodes, or yogas between Mercury and Mars. In the > latter case, an example would be Matibhramana Yoga with Mercury in > an unfriendly rasi and in a Dusthana aspected by Mars also in an > unfriendly rasi/malefic bhava, which can over-energize and cloud the > mind. > > Mars in opposition to Pluto and Saturn aspects to Neptune in the > Rasi or Navamsa are also common in the charts of those with Bipolar > Disorder, depending on where these graha reside. The zero degree may > carry with it qualities of impetuosity and immaturity, and I have > actually seen this as the Lagna degree in a few charts of > individuals with Bipolar disorder, one at 0 Cancer and another at 0 > Sagittarius. Many planets in Dwishwabhava rasis and placed in > Dusthanas can be a factor. > > Often we will see Jupiter afflictions in Bipolar Manic-Depression, > with possible indications of arrogance, impulsivity, and a distorted > ego. > > Afflictions to any key planets in Bharani, Ardra, Ashelsha, Magha, > Jyestha, Mula, Purva Phalguni, Purva Ashada, and Purva Bhadrapada > are also common. As an example, Purva Ashadha afflictions may reveal > hubris and an over-expansive nature that fails to consider the > feelings and opinions of others. Violent thoughts, delusional > thinking, and self-deception may be present, as in Bipolar Manic- > Depression. > > Obviously, we also need to consider the Dasas and transits that can > indicate disease progress and triggers for the disease. > > Best regards, > Juliana > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Dear Juliana, Thanks a lot for enriching my knowledge. A masters degree in psychology has made me fully aware of most of the psychological disorders and their implications. I presume that Das is also aware of the seriousness of his problem. I was trying to ligten up the mood. I had mentioned manic-depressive disorder and not the bi-polar manic-depressive one. I have had a patient of bi-polar manic-depression in my family who started with simple manic-depression. The patient has been treated without use of any drugs. As you said, a full meal and exercises are very helpful. We used pranayam and yoga as treatment too. In fact, initial treatment with drugs had only aggravated the problem. There are various kinds of psychological disorders like, anxiety-neurosis, manic-depressive, schizophrenia, etc. In cases of anxiety-neurosis and mania, moon or mercury afflicted with rahu and ketu has been seen. In cases of schizophrenia, a volatile mars conjunct with venus or sun and afflicted moon, mercury have been seen. In most of the cases mars and venus combination along with afflicted moon and mercury are found in horoscope. For example this girl: 5th may 1970 11.30am Delhi India 28N39 77E13 The unmarried girl is suffering from schizophrenia since last ten years. Another example: 5 july 1955 8.00am Ahmedbad India 23N03 72E40 As soon as mars mahadasha began, he left engineering studies and became a vagabond. Born in a very rich family of Gujarat, schizophrenia took its toll. Till now he remains untreated. An exalted Jupiter failed to protect him. (In fact I feel that Jupiter has been overhyped as a saviour.) Rahu, ketu, moon, and a debiliated mars became his nemesis. A full moon in the chart, if weak or afflicted adds to the problem. Just like it can be seen in Christian's friend's horoscope. A lot of research is required in the field of psychological diseases. Ashutosh. - Christian Grosche <Christian.Grosche <valist>; <swanzzz Sunday, April 17, 2005 21:52 Re: Bipolar Manic-Depression > > Dear Juliana, > > what you wrote is extremly interesting to me. > I have got a friend (I posted the dates some time ago: > female , born 17.1.65, time 8:56 am, place Hamburg), who is > borderline. "Borderline syndrom" is often called also "soft bi-polar". > Can you agree with that, and what do you think about my friend? > (A memeber of this group has pointed out a weak moon in 0 degree cancer, > a mecury-ketu mutal exchange with respect to the Naksharta rulers, and a > ketu in Gandanta.) > > Yours Christian > > > Am Sa, 2005-04-16 um 21.02 schrieb omhamsa: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Re: Ashutosh's post on Bipolar Manic-Depression, with respect, I can > > sense the kindest intentions in your post to Das. However, as a > > health professional and someone who has witnessed the devastating > > results of this disease first-hand among certain of my family > > members, friends, and clients, I have to caution anyone against > > trivializing this disease. > > > > Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious psychopathological syndrome > > that is not common to "half of world's population and all world > > leaders," as Ashutosh has written. Actually, most statistics state > > that only about 1-2% of the world's population has this disease. > > > > Ashutosh wrote, "We all are manic-depressive to some extent, working > > to death at times and lazing around aimlessly otherwise." Certainly, > > it is human nature to have our moods rise and fall like the tides, > > BUT PLEASE, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIPOLAR MANIC-DEPRESSION! > > > > I am by no means an expert on this topic, but I have researched it > > enough to know that Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious mental > > illness characterized by the presence of depression and/or mania, > > which can include violent and paranoid ideation and behavior. With > > respect to Das and all who suffer Bipolar Manic-Depression, the > > other side of this disorder may be intellectual brilliance, > > magnetism, and artistic creativity. Learning how to balance these > > two sides is the key to success for those who suffer from it. > > > > There are different gradations of Bipolar Manic-Depression, and > > certainly many different ways to treat it. The most conventionally > > successful way is with Lithium and other medications like anti- > > psychotics and anti-convulsants. I know of certain other alternative > > therapies that may work for some but not for others. Maintaining > > good overall health, for example, eating well and getting regular > > aerobic exercise, seems to help keep this disorder in balance. > > However, as far as I have been able to discern, no substantial > > research, other than anecdotal evidence, exists on alternative > > therapies. Please correct me if I am wrong on this. > > > > One of the problems with Bipolar Manic-Depression is that its > > sufferers typically do not like to take their medications routinely, > > as they often dislike routines in general. This is a symptom of the > > disease. Often, they will self-medicate with prescribed drugs as > > well as alcohol and other CNS depressants and recreational > > substances, which is a sure way to have a hypomanic or full-blown > > manic episode, or conversely in certain instances, a depressive > > episode. Because the disease progress often changes with the seasons > > and other external factors, it seems that the most well adjusted > > patients have their medications and dosages regulated regularly by a > > qualified mental health professional, the obvious best being a board- > > certified psychopharmacologist. However, due to the often-willful > > nature of these individuals, they feel they "know better" than > > anyone else, thus they do not always seek to maintain professional > > support. > > > > It seems to be clear that, left untreated, Bipolar Manic-Depression > > tends to worsen so that the person experiences more severe episodes > > of mania or depression and the possibility of suicidal ideation and > > behavior. > > > > I highly recommend a wonderful book on this subject titled _An > > Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness_ by Kay Redfield > > Jamison, a psychiatrist and one who suffers from this disease. She > > writes, "Suicide, which is both a stereotypic yet highly > > individualized act, is a common endpoint for many patients with > > severe psychiatric illness. The mood disorders (depression and > > bipolar manic-depression) are by far the most common psychiatric > > conditions associated with suicide. At least 25% to 50% of patients > > with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once. With the > > exception of lithium--which is the most demonstrably effective > > treatment against suicide-remarkably little is known about specific > > contributions of mood-altering treatments to minimizing mortality > > rates in persons with major mood disorders in general and bipolar > > depression in particular. Suicide is usually a manifestation of > > severe psychiatric distress that is often associated with a > > diagnosable and treatable form of depression or other mental > > illness." > > > > If you would like to know more about this serious disease, I refer > > you to "Bipolar Disorder: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of > > Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition," 1994 (American Psychiatric > > Association, 1400 K Street NW, Suite 1101, Washington, DC 20005-2403 > > USA). http://www.manicdepressive.org/dsm.html > > > > As Ashutosh stated, Rahu and Ketu and afflictions to the Moon are > > quite often implicated in mental illness. Additionally, after > > studying many charts of individuals with psychiatric disorders, I > > have found that there are other possible factors, too. Following are > > just some of the main ones I have found: > > > > First among many other factors, we have to examine the Moon and > > Mercury, the First, Fourth and Fifth Houses, and the First, Fourth, > > and Fifth House lords, from the Rasi Lagna Chart (2/3 influence), > > the Chandra Lagna Chart (1/3 influence), and the Navamsa chart (the > > Navamsa corroberates the main charts). If any of these have > > affliction by the lords of houses 3, 6, and 11 or by planets in > > combustion, Sandhi/Gandanta, debilitation, placement in the sign of > > an enemy or in a Dusthana, Papakartari Yoga, association with or > > influence by separative planets (Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, Sun and 12th > > lord), and, dispositorship by poorly placed malefics, then there are > > indications for mental imbalance. When there is confluence between > > such factors in the Rasi chart and the Chandra Lagna chart, as well > > as the vargas (D-3/9/12/16/30), then it is even more likely to > > occur. > > > > Because passion in excess can lead to mental imbalance, I also note > > the condition of the significators of passion: the lords of houses > > 5, 7 and 12. A graha ruling over two of these houses can give a > > strong passionate nature, such as Mars for Taurus Lagna charts, and > > Venus for Gemini Rising charts. In addition, we have to look at the > > condition of Mars and Venus, the sthira karakas of passion. > > > > In Bipolar Manic-Depression, I have frequently seen any of the > > following in the Rasi or Navamsa chart: the Moon and Mars in mutual > > aspect and in kendras, Mars and Venus contacts, Venus/Mars/Moon > > contacts with the Nodes, or yogas between Mercury and Mars. In the > > latter case, an example would be Matibhramana Yoga with Mercury in > > an unfriendly rasi and in a Dusthana aspected by Mars also in an > > unfriendly rasi/malefic bhava, which can over-energize and cloud the > > mind. > > > > Mars in opposition to Pluto and Saturn aspects to Neptune in the > > Rasi or Navamsa are also common in the charts of those with Bipolar > > Disorder, depending on where these graha reside. The zero degree may > > carry with it qualities of impetuosity and immaturity, and I have > > actually seen this as the Lagna degree in a few charts of > > individuals with Bipolar disorder, one at 0 Cancer and another at 0 > > Sagittarius. Many planets in Dwishwabhava rasis and placed in > > Dusthanas can be a factor. > > > > Often we will see Jupiter afflictions in Bipolar Manic-Depression, > > with possible indications of arrogance, impulsivity, and a distorted > > ego. > > > > Afflictions to any key planets in Bharani, Ardra, Ashelsha, Magha, > > Jyestha, Mula, Purva Phalguni, Purva Ashada, and Purva Bhadrapada > > are also common. As an example, Purva Ashadha afflictions may reveal > > hubris and an over-expansive nature that fails to consider the > > feelings and opinions of others. Violent thoughts, delusional > > thinking, and self-deception may be present, as in Bipolar Manic- > > Depression. > > > > Obviously, we also need to consider the Dasas and transits that can > > indicate disease progress and triggers for the disease. > > > > Best regards, > > Juliana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Bi-polar is a simple re-naming of manic-depression for political correctness. They are the same. But there are bi-polar I and II. Bi-polar I is the former full-blown manic-depression. And, personally, I wish it were a plain mood thing. It's not. It's behavior acts to devastate the norm. See webmd.com/search/search_results/? query=manic+depression&filter=mywebmd_all_filter Regards, Dave On Apr 18, 2005, at 14:24, valist wrote: > Message: 3 > Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:26:47 +0530 > ".fr" <astrologerashutosh > Re: Bipolar Manic-Depression > I had mentioned > manic-depressive disorder and not the bi-polar manic-depressive one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Re Bipolar I and II I know this theory too. My shrink resisted Lithium for me for years. He just kept saying "Where's the highs", because I did not have the devastation associated with them. Mine were "lighter", constant, with constant down too. Rapid cycling BII ? Finally, when "the way I was", which "was something for sure" got so bad, I begged him for Lithium. Literally pleaded in tears after a serious entry into the emergency mental ward one night. So he conceded, gave me the stuff, and within days I could walk again and talk without crying, and come out from under the hood of my always-on sweat jacket. Lithium saved my life, but I never had the highs so bad that they were devastating, But they were there. Like, I have a lot of posessions purchased needlessly while on "sprees" of energy. This is very common. Just that I didn't but cars, just things like "everything for making jewelry" or "everything for making Celtic metalwork" and other questionable things. So now I have a lot of storage. This is typical. Of course, I've made an ass out of myself on this list. Later, months later, after it was obvious that Lithium did me a lot of good, I asked my shrink "so do you think I'm manic", and he responded "well, you respond to Lithium". With a kind of resolved shrug. I think it's hard to sort out all these varieties. Each person is unique. I do want to stress however, that even with Lithium and other aids, I have intense mood swings that I have to deal with, which are very interruptive, and rather devastating to my daily routines. But where I was before Lithium, was so very painful that I would have had to kill myself sooner or later. And I didn't want these things. They didn't serve me. I wasn't this way. It came during Sade Sati in Saturn dasha by the way, and just now I'm switching to Mercury, and hoping to have a better life. By the way, "Bi Polar 2 B" is a type also, meaning that the highs are lower than devastating, and the B is for "beneficial". Peace out, Ree MacQuoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Try this one on for size. In Traditional , we refrain from using the standard DSM labels, when diagnosing psychiatric imbalances... So,... how WE describe signs and symptoms of Bi-Polar (aka manic depression) isms...is PHLEGM FIRE MISTING THE MIND. Now, ...Isn't that poetic?? Georgette David Meyer <dmeyer1 wrote: Bi-polar is a simple re-naming of manic-depression for political correctness. They are the same. But there are bi-polar I and II. Bi-polar I is the former full-blown manic-depression. And, personally, I wish it were a plain mood thing. It's not. It's behavior acts to devastate the norm. See webmd.com/search/search_results/? query=manic+depression&filter=mywebmd_all_filter Regards, Dave On Apr 18, 2005, at 14:24, valist wrote: > Message: 3 > Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:26:47 +0530 > ".fr" > Re: Bipolar Manic-Depression > I had mentioned > manic-depressive disorder and not the bi-polar manic-depressive one. Georgette Young, L.Ac., Dipl.O.M. Board Certified in Oriental Medicine www.energetic-medicine.com 858-212-4004 San Diego, CA 480-612-1104 Carefree, AZ Mailing Address: P.O. Box 3314 Carefree, AZ 85377 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Das, Thanks for sharing your story. Warren Garstecki - Das Goravani<> valist<valist> Monday, April 18, 2005 1:54 PM Re: Re: Bipolar Manic-Depression Re Bipolar I and II I know this theory too. My shrink resisted Lithium for me for years. He just kept saying "Where's the highs", because I did not have the devastation associated with them. Mine were "lighter", constant, with constant down too. Rapid cycling BII ? Finally, when "the way I was", which "was something for sure" got so bad, I begged him for Lithium. Literally pleaded in tears after a serious entry into the emergency mental ward one night. So he conceded, gave me the stuff, and within days I could walk again and talk without crying, and come out from under the hood of my always-on sweat jacket. Lithium saved my life, but I never had the highs so bad that they were devastating, But they were there. Like, I have a lot of posessions purchased needlessly while on "sprees" of energy. This is very common. Just that I didn't but cars, just things like "everything for making jewelry" or "everything for making Celtic metalwork" and other questionable things. So now I have a lot of storage. This is typical. Of course, I've made an ass out of myself on this list. Later, months later, after it was obvious that Lithium did me a lot of good, I asked my shrink "so do you think I'm manic", and he responded "well, you respond to Lithium". With a kind of resolved shrug. I think it's hard to sort out all these varieties. Each person is unique. I do want to stress however, that even with Lithium and other aids, I have intense mood swings that I have to deal with, which are very interruptive, and rather devastating to my daily routines. But where I was before Lithium, was so very painful that I would have had to kill myself sooner or later. And I didn't want these things. They didn't serve me. I wasn't this way. It came during Sade Sati in Saturn dasha by the way, and just now I'm switching to Mercury, and hoping to have a better life. By the way, "Bi Polar 2 B" is a type also, meaning that the highs are lower than devastating, and the B is for "beneficial". Peace out, Ree MacQuoid <> http://www.goravani.com<http://www.goravani.com/> : <> Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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