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Namaste,

 

Re: Ashutosh's post on Bipolar Manic-Depression, with respect, I can

sense the kindest intentions in your post to Das. However, as a

health professional and someone who has witnessed the devastating

results of this disease first-hand among certain of my family

members, friends, and clients, I have to caution anyone against

trivializing this disease.

 

Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious psychopathological syndrome

that is not common to "half of world's population and all world

leaders," as Ashutosh has written. Actually, most statistics state

that only about 1-2% of the world's population has this disease.

 

Ashutosh wrote, "We all are manic-depressive to some extent, working

to death at times and lazing around aimlessly otherwise." Certainly,

it is human nature to have our moods rise and fall like the tides,

BUT PLEASE, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIPOLAR MANIC-DEPRESSION!

 

I am by no means an expert on this topic, but I have researched it

enough to know that Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious mental

illness characterized by the presence of depression and/or mania,

which can include violent and paranoid ideation and behavior. With

respect to Das and all who suffer Bipolar Manic-Depression, the

other side of this disorder may be intellectual brilliance,

magnetism, and artistic creativity. Learning how to balance these

two sides is the key to success for those who suffer from it.

 

There are different gradations of Bipolar Manic-Depression, and

certainly many different ways to treat it. The most conventionally

successful way is with Lithium and other medications like anti-

psychotics and anti-convulsants. I know of certain other alternative

therapies that may work for some but not for others. Maintaining

good overall health, for example, eating well and getting regular

aerobic exercise, seems to help keep this disorder in balance.

However, as far as I have been able to discern, no substantial

research, other than anecdotal evidence, exists on alternative

therapies. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

 

One of the problems with Bipolar Manic-Depression is that its

sufferers typically do not like to take their medications routinely,

as they often dislike routines in general. This is a symptom of the

disease. Often, they will self-medicate with prescribed drugs as

well as alcohol and other CNS depressants and recreational

substances, which is a sure way to have a hypomanic or full-blown

manic episode, or conversely in certain instances, a depressive

episode. Because the disease progress often changes with the seasons

and other external factors, it seems that the most well adjusted

patients have their medications and dosages regulated regularly by a

qualified mental health professional, the obvious best being a board-

certified psychopharmacologist. However, due to the often-willful

nature of these individuals, they feel they "know better" than

anyone else, thus they do not always seek to maintain professional

support.

 

It seems to be clear that, left untreated, Bipolar Manic-Depression

tends to worsen so that the person experiences more severe episodes

of mania or depression and the possibility of suicidal ideation and

behavior.

 

I highly recommend a wonderful book on this subject titled _An

Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness_ by Kay Redfield

Jamison, a psychiatrist and one who suffers from this disease. She

writes, "Suicide, which is both a stereotypic yet highly

individualized act, is a common endpoint for many patients with

severe psychiatric illness. The mood disorders (depression and

bipolar manic-depression) are by far the most common psychiatric

conditions associated with suicide. At least 25% to 50% of patients

with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once. With the

exception of lithium--which is the most demonstrably effective

treatment against suicide-remarkably little is known about specific

contributions of mood-altering treatments to minimizing mortality

rates in persons with major mood disorders in general and bipolar

depression in particular. Suicide is usually a manifestation of

severe psychiatric distress that is often associated with a

diagnosable and treatable form of depression or other mental

illness."

 

If you would like to know more about this serious disease, I refer

you to "Bipolar Disorder: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of

Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition," 1994 (American Psychiatric

Association, 1400 K Street NW, Suite 1101, Washington, DC 20005-2403

USA). http://www.manicdepressive.org/dsm.html

 

As Ashutosh stated, Rahu and Ketu and afflictions to the Moon are

quite often implicated in mental illness. Additionally, after

studying many charts of individuals with psychiatric disorders, I

have found that there are other possible factors, too. Following are

just some of the main ones I have found:

 

First among many other factors, we have to examine the Moon and

Mercury, the First, Fourth and Fifth Houses, and the First, Fourth,

and Fifth House lords, from the Rasi Lagna Chart (2/3 influence),

the Chandra Lagna Chart (1/3 influence), and the Navamsa chart (the

Navamsa corroberates the main charts). If any of these have

affliction by the lords of houses 3, 6, and 11 or by planets in

combustion, Sandhi/Gandanta, debilitation, placement in the sign of

an enemy or in a Dusthana, Papakartari Yoga, association with or

influence by separative planets (Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, Sun and 12th

lord), and, dispositorship by poorly placed malefics, then there are

indications for mental imbalance. When there is confluence between

such factors in the Rasi chart and the Chandra Lagna chart, as well

as the vargas (D-3/9/12/16/30), then it is even more likely to

occur.

 

Because passion in excess can lead to mental imbalance, I also note

the condition of the significators of passion: the lords of houses

5, 7 and 12. A graha ruling over two of these houses can give a

strong passionate nature, such as Mars for Taurus Lagna charts, and

Venus for Gemini Rising charts. In addition, we have to look at the

condition of Mars and Venus, the sthira karakas of passion.

 

In Bipolar Manic-Depression, I have frequently seen any of the

following in the Rasi or Navamsa chart: the Moon and Mars in mutual

aspect and in kendras, Mars and Venus contacts, Venus/Mars/Moon

contacts with the Nodes, or yogas between Mercury and Mars. In the

latter case, an example would be Matibhramana Yoga with Mercury in

an unfriendly rasi and in a Dusthana aspected by Mars also in an

unfriendly rasi/malefic bhava, which can over-energize and cloud the

mind.

 

Mars in opposition to Pluto and Saturn aspects to Neptune in the

Rasi or Navamsa are also common in the charts of those with Bipolar

Disorder, depending on where these graha reside. The zero degree may

carry with it qualities of impetuosity and immaturity, and I have

actually seen this as the Lagna degree in a few charts of

individuals with Bipolar disorder, one at 0 Cancer and another at 0

Sagittarius. Many planets in Dwishwabhava rasis and placed in

Dusthanas can be a factor.

 

Often we will see Jupiter afflictions in Bipolar Manic-Depression,

with possible indications of arrogance, impulsivity, and a distorted

ego.

 

Afflictions to any key planets in Bharani, Ardra, Ashelsha, Magha,

Jyestha, Mula, Purva Phalguni, Purva Ashada, and Purva Bhadrapada

are also common. As an example, Purva Ashadha afflictions may reveal

hubris and an over-expansive nature that fails to consider the

feelings and opinions of others. Violent thoughts, delusional

thinking, and self-deception may be present, as in Bipolar Manic-

Depression.

 

Obviously, we also need to consider the Dasas and transits that can

indicate disease progress and triggers for the disease.

 

Best regards,

Juliana

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Dear Juliana,

 

what you wrote is extremly interesting to me.

I have got a friend (I posted the dates some time ago:

female , born 17.1.65, time 8:56 am, place Hamburg), who is

borderline. "Borderline syndrom" is often called also "soft bi-polar".

Can you agree with that, and what do you think about my friend?

(A memeber of this group has pointed out a weak moon in 0 degree cancer,

a mecury-ketu mutal exchange with respect to the Naksharta rulers, and a

ketu in Gandanta.)

 

Yours Christian

 

 

Am Sa, 2005-04-16 um 21.02 schrieb omhamsa:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Re: Ashutosh's post on Bipolar Manic-Depression, with respect, I can

> sense the kindest intentions in your post to Das. However, as a

> health professional and someone who has witnessed the devastating

> results of this disease first-hand among certain of my family

> members, friends, and clients, I have to caution anyone against

> trivializing this disease.

>

> Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious psychopathological syndrome

> that is not common to "half of world's population and all world

> leaders," as Ashutosh has written. Actually, most statistics state

> that only about 1-2% of the world's population has this disease.

>

> Ashutosh wrote, "We all are manic-depressive to some extent, working

> to death at times and lazing around aimlessly otherwise." Certainly,

> it is human nature to have our moods rise and fall like the tides,

> BUT PLEASE, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIPOLAR MANIC-DEPRESSION!

>

> I am by no means an expert on this topic, but I have researched it

> enough to know that Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious mental

> illness characterized by the presence of depression and/or mania,

> which can include violent and paranoid ideation and behavior. With

> respect to Das and all who suffer Bipolar Manic-Depression, the

> other side of this disorder may be intellectual brilliance,

> magnetism, and artistic creativity. Learning how to balance these

> two sides is the key to success for those who suffer from it.

>

> There are different gradations of Bipolar Manic-Depression, and

> certainly many different ways to treat it. The most conventionally

> successful way is with Lithium and other medications like anti-

> psychotics and anti-convulsants. I know of certain other alternative

> therapies that may work for some but not for others. Maintaining

> good overall health, for example, eating well and getting regular

> aerobic exercise, seems to help keep this disorder in balance.

> However, as far as I have been able to discern, no substantial

> research, other than anecdotal evidence, exists on alternative

> therapies. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

>

> One of the problems with Bipolar Manic-Depression is that its

> sufferers typically do not like to take their medications routinely,

> as they often dislike routines in general. This is a symptom of the

> disease. Often, they will self-medicate with prescribed drugs as

> well as alcohol and other CNS depressants and recreational

> substances, which is a sure way to have a hypomanic or full-blown

> manic episode, or conversely in certain instances, a depressive

> episode. Because the disease progress often changes with the seasons

> and other external factors, it seems that the most well adjusted

> patients have their medications and dosages regulated regularly by a

> qualified mental health professional, the obvious best being a board-

> certified psychopharmacologist. However, due to the often-willful

> nature of these individuals, they feel they "know better" than

> anyone else, thus they do not always seek to maintain professional

> support.

>

> It seems to be clear that, left untreated, Bipolar Manic-Depression

> tends to worsen so that the person experiences more severe episodes

> of mania or depression and the possibility of suicidal ideation and

> behavior.

>

> I highly recommend a wonderful book on this subject titled _An

> Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness_ by Kay Redfield

> Jamison, a psychiatrist and one who suffers from this disease. She

> writes, "Suicide, which is both a stereotypic yet highly

> individualized act, is a common endpoint for many patients with

> severe psychiatric illness. The mood disorders (depression and

> bipolar manic-depression) are by far the most common psychiatric

> conditions associated with suicide. At least 25% to 50% of patients

> with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once. With the

> exception of lithium--which is the most demonstrably effective

> treatment against suicide-remarkably little is known about specific

> contributions of mood-altering treatments to minimizing mortality

> rates in persons with major mood disorders in general and bipolar

> depression in particular. Suicide is usually a manifestation of

> severe psychiatric distress that is often associated with a

> diagnosable and treatable form of depression or other mental

> illness."

>

> If you would like to know more about this serious disease, I refer

> you to "Bipolar Disorder: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of

> Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition," 1994 (American Psychiatric

> Association, 1400 K Street NW, Suite 1101, Washington, DC 20005-2403

> USA). http://www.manicdepressive.org/dsm.html

>

> As Ashutosh stated, Rahu and Ketu and afflictions to the Moon are

> quite often implicated in mental illness. Additionally, after

> studying many charts of individuals with psychiatric disorders, I

> have found that there are other possible factors, too. Following are

> just some of the main ones I have found:

>

> First among many other factors, we have to examine the Moon and

> Mercury, the First, Fourth and Fifth Houses, and the First, Fourth,

> and Fifth House lords, from the Rasi Lagna Chart (2/3 influence),

> the Chandra Lagna Chart (1/3 influence), and the Navamsa chart (the

> Navamsa corroberates the main charts). If any of these have

> affliction by the lords of houses 3, 6, and 11 or by planets in

> combustion, Sandhi/Gandanta, debilitation, placement in the sign of

> an enemy or in a Dusthana, Papakartari Yoga, association with or

> influence by separative planets (Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, Sun and 12th

> lord), and, dispositorship by poorly placed malefics, then there are

> indications for mental imbalance. When there is confluence between

> such factors in the Rasi chart and the Chandra Lagna chart, as well

> as the vargas (D-3/9/12/16/30), then it is even more likely to

> occur.

>

> Because passion in excess can lead to mental imbalance, I also note

> the condition of the significators of passion: the lords of houses

> 5, 7 and 12. A graha ruling over two of these houses can give a

> strong passionate nature, such as Mars for Taurus Lagna charts, and

> Venus for Gemini Rising charts. In addition, we have to look at the

> condition of Mars and Venus, the sthira karakas of passion.

>

> In Bipolar Manic-Depression, I have frequently seen any of the

> following in the Rasi or Navamsa chart: the Moon and Mars in mutual

> aspect and in kendras, Mars and Venus contacts, Venus/Mars/Moon

> contacts with the Nodes, or yogas between Mercury and Mars. In the

> latter case, an example would be Matibhramana Yoga with Mercury in

> an unfriendly rasi and in a Dusthana aspected by Mars also in an

> unfriendly rasi/malefic bhava, which can over-energize and cloud the

> mind.

>

> Mars in opposition to Pluto and Saturn aspects to Neptune in the

> Rasi or Navamsa are also common in the charts of those with Bipolar

> Disorder, depending on where these graha reside. The zero degree may

> carry with it qualities of impetuosity and immaturity, and I have

> actually seen this as the Lagna degree in a few charts of

> individuals with Bipolar disorder, one at 0 Cancer and another at 0

> Sagittarius. Many planets in Dwishwabhava rasis and placed in

> Dusthanas can be a factor.

>

> Often we will see Jupiter afflictions in Bipolar Manic-Depression,

> with possible indications of arrogance, impulsivity, and a distorted

> ego.

>

> Afflictions to any key planets in Bharani, Ardra, Ashelsha, Magha,

> Jyestha, Mula, Purva Phalguni, Purva Ashada, and Purva Bhadrapada

> are also common. As an example, Purva Ashadha afflictions may reveal

> hubris and an over-expansive nature that fails to consider the

> feelings and opinions of others. Violent thoughts, delusional

> thinking, and self-deception may be present, as in Bipolar Manic-

> Depression.

>

> Obviously, we also need to consider the Dasas and transits that can

> indicate disease progress and triggers for the disease.

>

> Best regards,

> Juliana

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Juliana,

Thanks a lot for enriching my knowledge. A masters degree

in psychology has made me fully aware of most of the psychological disorders

and their implications. I presume that Das is also aware of the seriousness

of his problem. I was trying to ligten up the mood. I had mentioned

manic-depressive disorder and not the bi-polar manic-depressive one. I have

had a patient of bi-polar manic-depression in my family who started with

simple manic-depression. The patient has been treated without use of any

drugs. As you said, a full meal and exercises are very helpful. We used

pranayam and yoga as treatment too. In fact, initial treatment with drugs

had only aggravated the problem.

There are various kinds of psychological disorders like,

anxiety-neurosis, manic-depressive, schizophrenia, etc. In cases of

anxiety-neurosis and mania, moon or mercury afflicted with rahu and ketu has

been seen. In cases of schizophrenia, a volatile mars conjunct with venus or

sun and afflicted moon, mercury have been seen. In most of the cases mars

and venus combination along with afflicted moon and mercury are found in

horoscope. For example this girl:

5th may 1970

11.30am

Delhi

India

28N39 77E13

The unmarried girl is suffering from schizophrenia since last ten years.

 

Another example:

5 july 1955

8.00am

Ahmedbad

India

23N03 72E40

As soon as mars mahadasha began, he left engineering studies and became a

vagabond. Born in a very rich family of Gujarat, schizophrenia took its

toll. Till now he remains untreated. An exalted Jupiter failed to protect

him. (In fact I feel that Jupiter has been overhyped as a saviour.) Rahu,

ketu, moon, and a debiliated mars became his nemesis. A full moon in the

chart, if weak or afflicted adds to the problem. Just like it can be seen in

Christian's friend's horoscope.

A lot of research is required in the field of psychological

diseases.

 

Ashutosh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Christian Grosche <Christian.Grosche

<valist>; <swanzzz

Sunday, April 17, 2005 21:52

Re: Bipolar Manic-Depression

 

 

>

> Dear Juliana,

>

> what you wrote is extremly interesting to me.

> I have got a friend (I posted the dates some time ago:

> female , born 17.1.65, time 8:56 am, place Hamburg), who is

> borderline. "Borderline syndrom" is often called also "soft bi-polar".

> Can you agree with that, and what do you think about my friend?

> (A memeber of this group has pointed out a weak moon in 0 degree cancer,

> a mecury-ketu mutal exchange with respect to the Naksharta rulers, and a

> ketu in Gandanta.)

>

> Yours Christian

>

>

> Am Sa, 2005-04-16 um 21.02 schrieb omhamsa:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Re: Ashutosh's post on Bipolar Manic-Depression, with respect, I can

> > sense the kindest intentions in your post to Das. However, as a

> > health professional and someone who has witnessed the devastating

> > results of this disease first-hand among certain of my family

> > members, friends, and clients, I have to caution anyone against

> > trivializing this disease.

> >

> > Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious psychopathological syndrome

> > that is not common to "half of world's population and all world

> > leaders," as Ashutosh has written. Actually, most statistics state

> > that only about 1-2% of the world's population has this disease.

> >

> > Ashutosh wrote, "We all are manic-depressive to some extent, working

> > to death at times and lazing around aimlessly otherwise." Certainly,

> > it is human nature to have our moods rise and fall like the tides,

> > BUT PLEASE, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIPOLAR MANIC-DEPRESSION!

> >

> > I am by no means an expert on this topic, but I have researched it

> > enough to know that Bipolar Manic-Depression is a serious mental

> > illness characterized by the presence of depression and/or mania,

> > which can include violent and paranoid ideation and behavior. With

> > respect to Das and all who suffer Bipolar Manic-Depression, the

> > other side of this disorder may be intellectual brilliance,

> > magnetism, and artistic creativity. Learning how to balance these

> > two sides is the key to success for those who suffer from it.

> >

> > There are different gradations of Bipolar Manic-Depression, and

> > certainly many different ways to treat it. The most conventionally

> > successful way is with Lithium and other medications like anti-

> > psychotics and anti-convulsants. I know of certain other alternative

> > therapies that may work for some but not for others. Maintaining

> > good overall health, for example, eating well and getting regular

> > aerobic exercise, seems to help keep this disorder in balance.

> > However, as far as I have been able to discern, no substantial

> > research, other than anecdotal evidence, exists on alternative

> > therapies. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

> >

> > One of the problems with Bipolar Manic-Depression is that its

> > sufferers typically do not like to take their medications routinely,

> > as they often dislike routines in general. This is a symptom of the

> > disease. Often, they will self-medicate with prescribed drugs as

> > well as alcohol and other CNS depressants and recreational

> > substances, which is a sure way to have a hypomanic or full-blown

> > manic episode, or conversely in certain instances, a depressive

> > episode. Because the disease progress often changes with the seasons

> > and other external factors, it seems that the most well adjusted

> > patients have their medications and dosages regulated regularly by a

> > qualified mental health professional, the obvious best being a board-

> > certified psychopharmacologist. However, due to the often-willful

> > nature of these individuals, they feel they "know better" than

> > anyone else, thus they do not always seek to maintain professional

> > support.

> >

> > It seems to be clear that, left untreated, Bipolar Manic-Depression

> > tends to worsen so that the person experiences more severe episodes

> > of mania or depression and the possibility of suicidal ideation and

> > behavior.

> >

> > I highly recommend a wonderful book on this subject titled _An

> > Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness_ by Kay Redfield

> > Jamison, a psychiatrist and one who suffers from this disease. She

> > writes, "Suicide, which is both a stereotypic yet highly

> > individualized act, is a common endpoint for many patients with

> > severe psychiatric illness. The mood disorders (depression and

> > bipolar manic-depression) are by far the most common psychiatric

> > conditions associated with suicide. At least 25% to 50% of patients

> > with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once. With the

> > exception of lithium--which is the most demonstrably effective

> > treatment against suicide-remarkably little is known about specific

> > contributions of mood-altering treatments to minimizing mortality

> > rates in persons with major mood disorders in general and bipolar

> > depression in particular. Suicide is usually a manifestation of

> > severe psychiatric distress that is often associated with a

> > diagnosable and treatable form of depression or other mental

> > illness."

> >

> > If you would like to know more about this serious disease, I refer

> > you to "Bipolar Disorder: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of

> > Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition," 1994 (American Psychiatric

> > Association, 1400 K Street NW, Suite 1101, Washington, DC 20005-2403

> > USA). http://www.manicdepressive.org/dsm.html

> >

> > As Ashutosh stated, Rahu and Ketu and afflictions to the Moon are

> > quite often implicated in mental illness. Additionally, after

> > studying many charts of individuals with psychiatric disorders, I

> > have found that there are other possible factors, too. Following are

> > just some of the main ones I have found:

> >

> > First among many other factors, we have to examine the Moon and

> > Mercury, the First, Fourth and Fifth Houses, and the First, Fourth,

> > and Fifth House lords, from the Rasi Lagna Chart (2/3 influence),

> > the Chandra Lagna Chart (1/3 influence), and the Navamsa chart (the

> > Navamsa corroberates the main charts). If any of these have

> > affliction by the lords of houses 3, 6, and 11 or by planets in

> > combustion, Sandhi/Gandanta, debilitation, placement in the sign of

> > an enemy or in a Dusthana, Papakartari Yoga, association with or

> > influence by separative planets (Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, Sun and 12th

> > lord), and, dispositorship by poorly placed malefics, then there are

> > indications for mental imbalance. When there is confluence between

> > such factors in the Rasi chart and the Chandra Lagna chart, as well

> > as the vargas (D-3/9/12/16/30), then it is even more likely to

> > occur.

> >

> > Because passion in excess can lead to mental imbalance, I also note

> > the condition of the significators of passion: the lords of houses

> > 5, 7 and 12. A graha ruling over two of these houses can give a

> > strong passionate nature, such as Mars for Taurus Lagna charts, and

> > Venus for Gemini Rising charts. In addition, we have to look at the

> > condition of Mars and Venus, the sthira karakas of passion.

> >

> > In Bipolar Manic-Depression, I have frequently seen any of the

> > following in the Rasi or Navamsa chart: the Moon and Mars in mutual

> > aspect and in kendras, Mars and Venus contacts, Venus/Mars/Moon

> > contacts with the Nodes, or yogas between Mercury and Mars. In the

> > latter case, an example would be Matibhramana Yoga with Mercury in

> > an unfriendly rasi and in a Dusthana aspected by Mars also in an

> > unfriendly rasi/malefic bhava, which can over-energize and cloud the

> > mind.

> >

> > Mars in opposition to Pluto and Saturn aspects to Neptune in the

> > Rasi or Navamsa are also common in the charts of those with Bipolar

> > Disorder, depending on where these graha reside. The zero degree may

> > carry with it qualities of impetuosity and immaturity, and I have

> > actually seen this as the Lagna degree in a few charts of

> > individuals with Bipolar disorder, one at 0 Cancer and another at 0

> > Sagittarius. Many planets in Dwishwabhava rasis and placed in

> > Dusthanas can be a factor.

> >

> > Often we will see Jupiter afflictions in Bipolar Manic-Depression,

> > with possible indications of arrogance, impulsivity, and a distorted

> > ego.

> >

> > Afflictions to any key planets in Bharani, Ardra, Ashelsha, Magha,

> > Jyestha, Mula, Purva Phalguni, Purva Ashada, and Purva Bhadrapada

> > are also common. As an example, Purva Ashadha afflictions may reveal

> > hubris and an over-expansive nature that fails to consider the

> > feelings and opinions of others. Violent thoughts, delusional

> > thinking, and self-deception may be present, as in Bipolar Manic-

> > Depression.

> >

> > Obviously, we also need to consider the Dasas and transits that can

> > indicate disease progress and triggers for the disease.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Juliana

> >

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Bi-polar is a simple re-naming of manic-depression for political

correctness. They are the same. But there are bi-polar I and II.

Bi-polar I is the former full-blown manic-depression. And, personally,

I wish it were a plain mood thing. It's not. It's behavior acts to

devastate the norm.

 

See

webmd.com/search/search_results/?

query=manic+depression&filter=mywebmd_all_filter

 

Regards,

Dave

 

On Apr 18, 2005, at 14:24, valist wrote:

 

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> ".fr" <astrologerashutosh

> Re: Bipolar Manic-Depression

> I had mentioned

> manic-depressive disorder and not the bi-polar manic-depressive one.

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Re Bipolar I and II

 

I know this theory too. My shrink resisted Lithium for me for years.

 

He just kept saying "Where's the highs", because I did not have the

devastation associated with them.

 

Mine were "lighter", constant, with constant down too.

 

Rapid cycling BII ?

 

Finally, when "the way I was", which "was something for sure" got so bad, I

begged him for Lithium. Literally pleaded in tears after a serious entry

into the emergency mental ward one night.

 

So he conceded, gave me the stuff, and within days I could walk again and

talk without crying, and come out from under the hood of my always-on sweat

jacket.

 

Lithium saved my life, but I never had the highs so bad that they were

devastating, But they were there. Like, I have a lot of posessions

purchased needlessly while on "sprees" of energy. This is very common. Just

that I didn't but cars, just things like "everything for making jewelry" or

"everything for making Celtic metalwork" and other questionable things. So

now I have a lot of storage. This is typical.

 

Of course, I've made an ass out of myself on this list.

 

Later, months later, after it was obvious that Lithium did me a lot of good,

I asked my shrink "so do you think I'm manic", and he responded "well, you

respond to Lithium". With a kind of resolved shrug.

 

I think it's hard to sort out all these varieties. Each person is unique.

 

I do want to stress however, that even with Lithium and other aids, I have

intense mood swings that I have to deal with, which are very interruptive,

and rather devastating to my daily routines.

 

But where I was before Lithium, was so very painful that I would have had to

kill myself sooner or later.

 

And I didn't want these things. They didn't serve me. I wasn't this way.

 

It came during Sade Sati in Saturn dasha by the way, and just now I'm

switching to Mercury, and hoping to have a better life.

 

By the way, "Bi Polar 2 B" is a type also, meaning that the highs are lower

than devastating, and the B is for "beneficial".

 

Peace out,

 

 

 

 

Ree MacQuoid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Try this one on for size. In Traditional , we refrain from

using the standard DSM labels, when diagnosing psychiatric imbalances...

 

So,... how WE describe signs and symptoms of Bi-Polar (aka manic depression)

isms...is PHLEGM FIRE MISTING THE MIND.

 

Now, ...Isn't that poetic??

 

Georgette

 

 

 

David Meyer <dmeyer1 wrote:

 

Bi-polar is a simple re-naming of manic-depression for political

correctness. They are the same. But there are bi-polar I and II.

Bi-polar I is the former full-blown manic-depression. And, personally,

I wish it were a plain mood thing. It's not. It's behavior acts to

devastate the norm.

 

See

webmd.com/search/search_results/?

query=manic+depression&filter=mywebmd_all_filter

 

Regards,

Dave

 

On Apr 18, 2005, at 14:24, valist wrote:

 

> Message: 3

> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:26:47 +0530

> ".fr"

> Re: Bipolar Manic-Depression

> I had mentioned

> manic-depressive disorder and not the bi-polar manic-depressive one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Board Certified in Oriental Medicine

 

www.energetic-medicine.com

 

858-212-4004 San Diego, CA

480-612-1104 Carefree, AZ

 

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Das, Thanks for sharing your story.

Warren Garstecki

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Monday, April 18, 2005 1:54 PM

Re: Re: Bipolar Manic-Depression

 

 

 

 

Re Bipolar I and II

 

I know this theory too. My shrink resisted Lithium for me for years.

 

He just kept saying "Where's the highs", because I did not have the

devastation associated with them.

 

Mine were "lighter", constant, with constant down too.

 

Rapid cycling BII ?

 

Finally, when "the way I was", which "was something for sure" got so bad, I

begged him for Lithium. Literally pleaded in tears after a serious entry

into the emergency mental ward one night.

 

So he conceded, gave me the stuff, and within days I could walk again and

talk without crying, and come out from under the hood of my always-on sweat

jacket.

 

Lithium saved my life, but I never had the highs so bad that they were

devastating, But they were there. Like, I have a lot of posessions

purchased needlessly while on "sprees" of energy. This is very common. Just

that I didn't but cars, just things like "everything for making jewelry" or

"everything for making Celtic metalwork" and other questionable things. So

now I have a lot of storage. This is typical.

 

Of course, I've made an ass out of myself on this list.

 

Later, months later, after it was obvious that Lithium did me a lot of good,

I asked my shrink "so do you think I'm manic", and he responded "well, you

respond to Lithium". With a kind of resolved shrug.

 

I think it's hard to sort out all these varieties. Each person is unique.

 

I do want to stress however, that even with Lithium and other aids, I have

intense mood swings that I have to deal with, which are very interruptive,

and rather devastating to my daily routines.

 

But where I was before Lithium, was so very painful that I would have had to

kill myself sooner or later.

 

And I didn't want these things. They didn't serve me. I wasn't this way.

 

It came during Sade Sati in Saturn dasha by the way, and just now I'm

switching to Mercury, and hoping to have a better life.

 

By the way, "Bi Polar 2 B" is a type also, meaning that the highs are lower

than devastating, and the B is for "beneficial".

 

Peace out,

 

 

 

 

Ree MacQuoid

 

 

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