Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Ashutosh. they pretended to be the actual person with the chart and in fact it was the astrologer? wow . thats cheeky they were not honest enough to say they needed help? How did you find out? And Das-Rick, Yes in a reading we are giving of ourselves, and I cannot say one should or should not do readings when one is feeling crappy. I can understand that you might feel that way. I am sure your ability would show through in any case, but feeling bad and feeling lack of confidence and really then if you are forcing yourself, and you do not wish to do it at this time, then its your choice. If on the other hand you said you really wanted to but your lack of confidence was the problem, thats different. But if you do not wish to do it, for whatever reason, thats your right. There are times when I have actively sought clients and times when I have not. I do not know if I always had a clear cut reason, sometimes I just feel I have to do particular things. Experience has led to to try and follow the inner voice. One thing, with nimitra, for example, if you were doing lots of readings when in long term low, you would get those with the same state of mind consistently approaching you and only on days with those aspects. Nimitra does seem to work fairly consistently. I guess in that case it would lead to much mutual weeping. (introducing some levity there) Yes Rick, 10 years is a fairly good figure. What I have found with astrology, is periods to study new information, and then a period to ingest it, and time to use it to see how it works in the real world. All that takes time. Even if you study everything, theres much to commit to memory, and theres the necessity to integrate a lot of material, and then to apply it practically. It all takes time. I personally found the ingesting the material, and assimilating it, takes time. Then after that you re read a previous book or whatever, that looked complicated first time round, now it looks simple. Then you have a chart in front of you and people may come for readings on the spot (for me anyway) and they do not realise you are quick to give answers because of experience, they assume astrology must be a game for simpletons if they can get answers as soon as you have the chart there, they do not see any effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Dear Dawn, The world is a very small place. When their clients approached me after being dissatisfied with them, I was shown the prescriptions which were exactly my words. Some of my well-wishers did some spying and found out the truth. I agree with Das that at least ten years period is required before one should start reading. reading about a yoga in books is something and seeing it fruitify is another. Moreover, we learn our mistakes and also add to our knowledge by observations. Not everything is written in books. Not everything can be taught by the teacher. Practical experience is necessary. I agree with you that people do not realise the hard work behind chart-readings. Nine planets, twelve house, twelve zodiacs, planetary positions, transits, dashas, other charts like D7, D9, D10, etc, are all to be studied together. Also, the astrologer has to listen to constant queries and life stories of the clients at the same time. Further, this profession has no bouquets but only brickbats, with some foolhardy sceptics jumping in once in a while and starting useless arguments It is a tough task, but we do it. The clients approaching us forget that we are also affected by planetary transits. A person like me who was born in cancer ascendent, has mood swings depending on moon. I have started giving appointments only on the dates and times when moon is in a good position in my chart. That way I can give my best to the clients. Ashutosh. - Dawn <astrodawnau <valist> Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:09 re ethics in astrology > > > Ashutosh. > > they pretended to be the actual person with the chart and in fact it > was the astrologer? wow . thats cheeky they were not honest enough > to say they needed help? > > > How did you find out? > > And Das-Rick, > > Yes in a reading we are giving of ourselves, and I cannot say one > should or should not do readings when one is feeling crappy. I can > understand that you might feel that way. I am sure your ability would > show through in any case, but feeling bad and feeling lack of > confidence and really then if you are forcing yourself, and you do > not wish to do it at this time, then its your choice. > > If on the other hand you said you really wanted to but your lack of > confidence was the problem, thats different. But if you do not wish > to do it, for whatever reason, thats your right. > > There are times when I have actively sought clients and times when > I have not. > > I do not know if I always had a clear cut reason, sometimes I just > feel I have to do particular things. Experience has led to to try and > follow the inner voice. > > One thing, with nimitra, for example, if you were doing lots of > readings when in long term low, you would get those with the same > state of mind consistently approaching you and only on days with > those aspects. Nimitra does seem to work fairly consistently. > > I guess in that case it would lead to much mutual weeping. > (introducing some levity there) > > Yes Rick, 10 years is a fairly good figure. What I have found with > astrology, is periods to study new information, and then a period to > ingest it, and time to use it to see how it works in the real world. > All that takes time. Even if you study everything, theres much to > commit to memory, and theres the necessity to integrate a lot of > material, and then to apply it practically. > > It all takes time. I personally found the ingesting the material, and > assimilating it, takes time. Then after that you re read a previous > book or whatever, that looked complicated first time round, now it > looks simple. > > Then you have a chart in front of you and people may come for > readings on the spot (for me anyway) and they do not realise you are > quick to give answers because of experience, they assume astrology > must be a game for simpletons if they can get answers as soon as you > have the chart there, they do not see any effort. > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Well Ashutosh, A bit more has emerged of interest in this story. I did try to email it to you, but I dont know if your email ends in ? and so was unable to. Personally I am finding myself incredulous over it. dawn valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Dawn, > The world is a very small place. When their clients > approached me after being dissatisfied with them, I was shown the > prescriptions which were exactly my words. Some of my well-wishers did some > spying and found out the truth. > I agree with Das that at least ten years period is required before > one should start reading. reading about a yoga in books is something and > seeing it fruitify is another. Moreover, we learn our mistakes and also add > to our knowledge by observations. Not everything is written in books. Not > everything can be taught by the teacher. Practical experience is necessary. > I agree with you that people do not realise the hard work behind > chart-readings. Nine planets, twelve house, twelve zodiacs, planetary > positions, transits, dashas, other charts like D7, D9, D10, etc, are all to > be studied together. Also, the astrologer has to listen to constant queries > and life stories of the clients at the same time. Further, this profession > has no bouquets but only brickbats, with some foolhardy sceptics jumping in > once in a while and starting useless arguments It is a tough task, but we > do it. The clients approaching us forget that we are also affected by > planetary transits. A person like me who was born in cancer ascendent, has > mood swings depending on moon. I have started giving appointments only on > the dates and times when moon is in a good position in my chart. That way I > can give my best to the clients. > > Ashutosh. > > > > - > Dawn <astrodawnau> > <valist> > Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:09 > re ethics in astrology > > > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > they pretended to be the actual person with the chart and in fact it > > was the astrologer? wow . thats cheeky they were not honest enough > > to say they needed help? > > > > > > How did you find out? > > > > And Das-Rick, > > > > Yes in a reading we are giving of ourselves, and I cannot say one > > should or should not do readings when one is feeling crappy. I can > > understand that you might feel that way. I am sure your ability would > > show through in any case, but feeling bad and feeling lack of > > confidence and really then if you are forcing yourself, and you do > > not wish to do it at this time, then its your choice. > > > > If on the other hand you said you really wanted to but your lack of > > confidence was the problem, thats different. But if you do not wish > > to do it, for whatever reason, thats your right. > > > > There are times when I have actively sought clients and times when > > I have not. > > > > I do not know if I always had a clear cut reason, sometimes I just > > feel I have to do particular things. Experience has led to to try and > > follow the inner voice. > > > > One thing, with nimitra, for example, if you were doing lots of > > readings when in long term low, you would get those with the same > > state of mind consistently approaching you and only on days with > > those aspects. Nimitra does seem to work fairly consistently. > > > > I guess in that case it would lead to much mutual weeping. > > (introducing some levity there) > > > > Yes Rick, 10 years is a fairly good figure. What I have found with > > astrology, is periods to study new information, and then a period to > > ingest it, and time to use it to see how it works in the real world. > > All that takes time. Even if you study everything, theres much to > > commit to memory, and theres the necessity to integrate a lot of > > material, and then to apply it practically. > > > > It all takes time. I personally found the ingesting the material, and > > assimilating it, takes time. Then after that you re read a previous > > book or whatever, that looked complicated first time round, now it > > looks simple. > > > > Then you have a chart in front of you and people may come for > > readings on the spot (for me anyway) and they do not realise you are > > quick to give answers because of experience, they assume astrology > > must be a game for simpletons if they can get answers as soon as you > > have the chart there, they do not see any effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 My id ends with .fr, i.e astrologerashutosh - Dawn <astrodawnau <valist> Thursday, April 07, 2005 16:33 Re: re ethics in astrology > > > Well Ashutosh, > > A bit more has emerged of interest in this story. I did try to email > it to you, but I dont know if your email ends in ? and so > was unable to. > > Personally I am finding myself incredulous over it. > > dawn > > > > valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Dawn, > > The world is a very small place. When their > clients > > approached me after being dissatisfied with them, I was shown the > > prescriptions which were exactly my words. Some of my well-wishers > did some > > spying and found out the truth. > > I agree with Das that at least ten years period is required > before > > one should start reading. reading about a yoga in books is > something and > > seeing it fruitify is another. Moreover, we learn our mistakes and > also add > > to our knowledge by observations. Not everything is written in > books. Not > > everything can be taught by the teacher. Practical experience is > necessary. > > I agree with you that people do not realise the hard work > behind > > chart-readings. Nine planets, twelve house, twelve zodiacs, > planetary > > positions, transits, dashas, other charts like D7, D9, D10, etc, > are all to > > be studied together. Also, the astrologer has to listen to constant > queries > > and life stories of the clients at the same time. Further, this > profession > > has no bouquets but only brickbats, with some foolhardy sceptics > jumping in > > once in a while and starting useless arguments It is a tough task, > but we > > do it. The clients approaching us forget that we are also affected > by > > planetary transits. A person like me who was born in cancer > ascendent, has > > mood swings depending on moon. I have started giving appointments > only on > > the dates and times when moon is in a good position in my chart. > That way I > > can give my best to the clients. > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > > > - > > Dawn <astrodawnau> > > <valist> > > Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:09 > > re ethics in astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > they pretended to be the actual person with the chart and in fact > it > > > was the astrologer? wow . thats cheeky they were not honest > enough > > > to say they needed help? > > > > > > > > > How did you find out? > > > > > > And Das-Rick, > > > > > > Yes in a reading we are giving of ourselves, and I cannot say one > > > should or should not do readings when one is feeling crappy. I can > > > understand that you might feel that way. I am sure your ability > would > > > show through in any case, but feeling bad and feeling lack of > > > confidence and really then if you are forcing yourself, and you do > > > not wish to do it at this time, then its your choice. > > > > > > If on the other hand you said you really wanted to but your lack > of > > > confidence was the problem, thats different. But if you do not > wish > > > to do it, for whatever reason, thats your right. > > > > > > There are times when I have actively sought clients and times when > > > I have not. > > > > > > I do not know if I always had a clear cut reason, sometimes I just > > > feel I have to do particular things. Experience has led to to try > and > > > follow the inner voice. > > > > > > One thing, with nimitra, for example, if you were doing lots of > > > readings when in long term low, you would get those with the same > > > state of mind consistently approaching you and only on days with > > > those aspects. Nimitra does seem to work fairly consistently. > > > > > > I guess in that case it would lead to much mutual weeping. > > > (introducing some levity there) > > > > > > Yes Rick, 10 years is a fairly good figure. What I have found with > > > astrology, is periods to study new information, and then a period > to > > > ingest it, and time to use it to see how it works in the real > world. > > > All that takes time. Even if you study everything, theres much to > > > commit to memory, and theres the necessity to integrate a lot of > > > material, and then to apply it practically. > > > > > > It all takes time. I personally found the ingesting the material, > and > > > assimilating it, takes time. Then after that you re read a > previous > > > book or whatever, that looked complicated first time round, now it > > > looks simple. > > > > > > Then you have a chart in front of you and people may come for > > > readings on the spot (for me anyway) and they do not realise you > are > > > quick to give answers because of experience, they assume astrology > > > must be a game for simpletons if they can get answers as soon as > you > > > have the chart there, they do not see any effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Ashutosh as you can see, for some reason this is all I see: >" My id ends with .fr, i.e astrologerashutosh" maybe you can type the etc etc SEPARATELY without a @ > valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > My id ends with .fr, i.e astrologerashutosh > > > > > - > Dawn <astrodawnau> > <valist> > Thursday, April 07, 2005 16:33 > Re: re ethics in astrology > > > > > > > > Well Ashutosh, > > > > A bit more has emerged of interest in this story. I did try to email > > it to you, but I dont know if your email ends in ? and so > > was unable to. > > > > Personally I am finding myself incredulous over it. > > > > dawn > > > > > > > > valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear Dawn, > > > The world is a very small place. When their > > clients > > > approached me after being dissatisfied with them, I was shown the > > > prescriptions which were exactly my words. Some of my well- wishers > > did some > > > spying and found out the truth. > > > I agree with Das that at least ten years period is required > > before > > > one should start reading. reading about a yoga in books is > > something and > > > seeing it fruitify is another. Moreover, we learn our mistakes and > > also add > > > to our knowledge by observations. Not everything is written in > > books. Not > > > everything can be taught by the teacher. Practical experience is > > necessary. > > > I agree with you that people do not realise the hard work > > behind > > > chart-readings. Nine planets, twelve house, twelve zodiacs, > > planetary > > > positions, transits, dashas, other charts like D7, D9, D10, etc, > > are all to > > > be studied together. Also, the astrologer has to listen to constant > > queries > > > and life stories of the clients at the same time. Further, this > > profession > > > has no bouquets but only brickbats, with some foolhardy sceptics > > jumping in > > > once in a while and starting useless arguments It is a tough task, > > but we > > > do it. The clients approaching us forget that we are also affected > > by > > > planetary transits. A person like me who was born in cancer > > ascendent, has > > > mood swings depending on moon. I have started giving appointments > > only on > > > the dates and times when moon is in a good position in my chart. > > That way I > > > can give my best to the clients. > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Dawn <astrodawnau> > > > <valist> > > > Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:09 > > > re ethics in astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > > > they pretended to be the actual person with the chart and in fact > > it > > > > was the astrologer? wow . thats cheeky they were not honest > > enough > > > > to say they needed help? > > > > > > > > > > > > How did you find out? > > > > > > > > And Das-Rick, > > > > > > > > Yes in a reading we are giving of ourselves, and I cannot say one > > > > should or should not do readings when one is feeling crappy. I can > > > > understand that you might feel that way. I am sure your ability > > would > > > > show through in any case, but feeling bad and feeling lack of > > > > confidence and really then if you are forcing yourself, and you do > > > > not wish to do it at this time, then its your choice. > > > > > > > > If on the other hand you said you really wanted to but your lack > > of > > > > confidence was the problem, thats different. But if you do not > > wish > > > > to do it, for whatever reason, thats your right. > > > > > > > > There are times when I have actively sought clients and times when > > > > I have not. > > > > > > > > I do not know if I always had a clear cut reason, sometimes I just > > > > feel I have to do particular things. Experience has led to to try > > and > > > > follow the inner voice. > > > > > > > > One thing, with nimitra, for example, if you were doing lots of > > > > readings when in long term low, you would get those with the same > > > > state of mind consistently approaching you and only on days with > > > > those aspects. Nimitra does seem to work fairly consistently. > > > > > > > > I guess in that case it would lead to much mutual weeping. > > > > (introducing some levity there) > > > > > > > > Yes Rick, 10 years is a fairly good figure. What I have found with > > > > astrology, is periods to study new information, and then a period > > to > > > > ingest it, and time to use it to see how it works in the real > > world. > > > > All that takes time. Even if you study everything, theres much to > > > > commit to memory, and theres the necessity to integrate a lot of > > > > material, and then to apply it practically. > > > > > > > > It all takes time. I personally found the ingesting the material, > > and > > > > assimilating it, takes time. Then after that you re read a > > previous > > > > book or whatever, that looked complicated first time round, now it > > > > looks simple. > > > > > > > > Then you have a chart in front of you and people may come for > > > > readings on the spot (for me anyway) and they do not realise you > > are > > > > quick to give answers because of experience, they assume astrology > > > > must be a game for simpletons if they can get answers as soon as > > you > > > > have the chart there, they do not see any effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : valist- > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Dear Dawn, The id is a long one therefore your browser automatically shortens it. It is astrologerashutosh @ .fr Ashutosh. - Dawn <astrodawnau <valist> Thursday, April 07, 2005 17:33 Re: re ethics in astrology > > > Ashutosh > > as you can see, for some reason this is all I see: > > > >" My id ends with .fr, i.e astrologerashutosh" > > maybe you can type the etc etc SEPARATELY without a @ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Dear Ashutosh, You mentioned you check the Moon's position before doing a reading in order to ensure that you will do well by the person. I applaud your caution. I also avoid reading for people with whom I have a difficult synastry. For example, if my Saturn or Mars is making an opposition or square aspect to one of more of a person's key planets, then my advice may cause more trouble than it's worth for a person. In that instance, I recommend the person seek out another astrologer. That is another way to avoid useless or worse, damaging readings. Chris Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear Dawn, The id is a long one therefore your browser automatically shortens it. It is astrologerashutosh @ .fr Ashutosh. - Dawn To: Thursday, April 07, 2005 17:33 Re: re ethics in astrology > > > Ashutosh > > as you can see, for some reason this is all I see: > > > >" My id ends with .fr, i.e astrologerashutosh" > > maybe you can type the etc etc SEPARATELY without a @ > > > > http://modernVedic Astrology.com Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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