SATURN:The planet of Blessings/Punishment!

March 31, 2005

What is the underlying purpose of Saturn's lessons? How can a more

thorough understanding of Saturn's role help empower us? Can such

understanding help us harness the enormous forces of this powerful

planet in our daily lives? How can we use the resources of Saturn's

inestimable energy to our great benefit?

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We pay particular attention to Saturn because it remains in one sign

for about 30 months, making Saturn's movement the slowest of all

recognized planets.

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saturn influences like sade-sati, ashtam-shani, panoti and dhaiyaa

saturn influence is more when its transit

sade-sati: enters the 12th sign from the lunar sign in a chart until

it leaves the 2nd sign from the natal moon. (7.5 years)

ashtama shani: when in 8th house from natal moon(3 years)

lagna: when enters natal lagna

Generally Sade-Sati comes thrice in a horoscope in the life time -

first in childhood, second in youth & third in old-age. First Sade-

Sati has effect on education & parents. Second Sade-Sati has effect

on profession, finance & family. The last one affects health more

than anything else.

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Saturn is frequently called the Planet of Destiny. No other planet is

so deeply associated with prarabdha karma ( the operative part of pre-

destiny). It is thought to be the most judicious, unrelenting and

impartial dispenser of the consequences of our past actions.

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Saturn is also called the Planet of Truth. It is concerned with

fairness, justice, righteousness, right attitude and right conduct.

It creates sorrow, suffering, deep discontentment and enmity with a

view to teach the person the real truth of life. To some extent, the

more a person suffers, the more he learns.

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Saturn is a slow moving planet and promotes stability. Although it

will initiate things, it brings results very slowly. It gives gradual

progress and equally gradual degeneration when it makes people suffer

slowly.

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Saturn is concerned with duty and responsibility, it brings the

profession to the forefront. Saturn wants the person to respect his

duty and obligations in whatever field of activity the person is

engaged. Saturn's transits reveal the timing of career changes and

when recognition for a person's achievements will come.

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The harder that ones grip is on materialistic pursuits and the

stronger that ones desires are, the firmer is the grip of Saturn on

such a soul. Working towards experiencing a greater sense of being

united with and being part of the creation is good

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Saturn acts as benefic when in

a kendra/trikona

his own sign/ Libra

not be combust

Natural benefics aspecting him

in the middle part of the sign he occupies.

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Saturn in the 1st house gives good characteristics, health, wealth

and leadership,fame.(here it is in own sign/exalted/the dispositor

should be a kingly planet like sun etc!!!)

All scientists, inventors, discoverers, explorers, martyrs,

philosophers, religious leaders and social reformers, achieved their

goals by the grace of this planet. Without the help of Saturn, one

cannot become a thinker of a high order.

By the highly beneficial influence of Saturn, a pauper can become a

president; and a president can turn into a pauper due to the evil

effects of Saturn. It was the influence of Saturn which ultimately

brought Napoleon as well. Just as Saturn empowers, it also has the

power to disrupt the mightiest just when the going is good. We can

study Saturn's influence in any of the great world leaders to gain

insight as to why the native was beloved leader of the people, a

dictator, a tyrant or a saint.

Uday Rahul.

April 1, 2005

The sciences, reside in Kumba, in the fixed air, unmoving air, thoughts that

do not change, that is science. That which is true, is Kumba, Saturn ruled,

whether small or large sciences or truth covering small or larger time

spands, the truth which is true has an element of Kumba in it, because truth

is a thought, air, a thing you cannot see or touch, just air, ether, it's

true, a perception, the perception of truth, the USE of truth.

The USE of truth is what makes something strong. If a politician truly

grasps the truth about where the people are, he can manipulate this truth to

do huge things, that's Saturn.

A yogi or priest or guru is as good as his grasp of truth, that which is

unchanging, true, conceptually correct, therefore HELPFUL.

So religion, medicine, science, service to others, has to have the element

of truth, to work, to be real, to be helpful. Truth creates realities which

if things are based on, they become "helpful". Saturn therefore has a play

in the foundation of creating what is really GOOD and HELPFUL. It must be

based on truth first of all, true science.

This is why some religiosity is not helpful. It seems to be based on

sentiment for a God, giving away one's power to an unhelpful God. That

doesn't seem to be good science. It's science "until real science comes".

Anwyay, just a thought,

Das Goravani, Pres.

Service

http://www.dancingmooninc.com

April 1, 2005

Dear Friends,

Without being much religious. Let me add something which comes

across my mind on this topic.

Kumbha is said to be Lagna of Shiva (Ishana, one who rules northeast

quarter). He is said to be high up in Kailasha. His vehicle is 4th

from Kumbha which is Taurus, The Bull. The 10th house(Karma) from

Kumbha is Scorpio the natural 8th house controlling death and also

research.

Jupiter is said to be akin to exaltation in Kumbha. Is there a reason

why many rituals invoke all the Gods in a water pot(Kumbha) ?

The Brahma, Vishnu, Maheshwara are said to be in various

portions(Neck, middle, bottom etc) of Kumbha(pot).

Just few thoughts to add.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

>

> The sciences, reside in Kumba, in the fixed air, unmoving air,

thoughts that

> do not change, that is science. That which is true, is Kumba,

Saturn ruled,

> whether small or large sciences or truth covering small or larger time

> spands, the truth which is true has an element of Kumba in it,

because truth

> is a thought, air, a thing you cannot see or touch, just air, ether,

it's

> true, a perception, the perception of truth, the USE of truth.

>

> The USE of truth is what makes something strong. If a politician truly

> grasps the truth about where the people are, he can manipulate this

truth to

> do huge things, that's Saturn.

>

> A yogi or priest or guru is as good as his grasp of truth, that which is

> unchanging, true, conceptually correct, therefore HELPFUL.

>

> So religion, medicine, science, service to others, has to have the

element

> of truth, to work, to be real, to be helpful. Truth creates

realities which

> if things are based on, they become "helpful". Saturn therefore has

a play

> in the foundation of creating what is really GOOD and HELPFUL. It

must be

> based on truth first of all, true science.

>

> This is why some religiosity is not helpful. It seems to be based on

> sentiment for a God, giving away one's power to an unhelpful God. That

> doesn't seem to be good science. It's science "until real science

comes".

>

> Anwyay, just a thought,

>

> Das Goravani, Pres.

>

> Service@D...

>

> http://www.dancingmooninc.com

>

April 1, 2005

Yes the Kumbha has great significance. Aquarius is the sign of the

collective consciousness reached through the sahastrara Chakra,

(Satabhishi is of course 100 petalled flower and the Sahastrara is

1000 petalled lotus) Rahu the owner of that asterism represents

Kundalini.

Of course rahu and ketu both relate to spirituality. But Rahu is the

actual kundalini power, which is the power that has to be activated

to become enlightened.

In the sign of Aquarius the Kumbha being poured signifies the pouring

of the individual consciousness into the sea of the collective

consciousness which is what happens in the actual experience of

enlightment. Its an actualisation not a mental thought process which

goes beyond the thought process and can be experienced. But thats the

REAL significance of the water pot.

I have been invited to write a section in a book about Indian music

and spirituality, where I will include more details of this and other

matters. I will post on here when its published (if it goes ahead)

dawn woodhouse

valist, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Without being much religious. Let me add something which comes

> across my mind on this topic.

> Kumbha is said to be Lagna of Shiva (Ishana, one who rules

northeast

> quarter). He is said to be high up in Kailasha. His vehicle is 4th

> from Kumbha which is Taurus, The Bull. The 10th house(Karma) from

> Kumbha is Scorpio the natural 8th house controlling death and also

> research.

> Jupiter is said to be akin to exaltation in Kumbha. Is there a

reason

> why many rituals invoke all the Gods in a water pot(Kumbha) ?

> The Brahma, Vishnu, Maheshwara are said to be in various

> portions(Neck, middle, bottom etc) of Kumbha(pot).

>

> Just few thoughts to add.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

> >

> > The sciences, reside in Kumba, in the fixed air, unmoving air,

> thoughts that

> > do not change, that is science. That which is true, is Kumba,

> Saturn ruled,

> > whether small or large sciences or truth covering small or larger

time

> > spands, the truth which is true has an element of Kumba in it,

> because truth

> > is a thought, air, a thing you cannot see or touch, just air,

ether,

> it's

> > true, a perception, the perception of truth, the USE of truth.

> >

> > The USE of truth is what makes something strong. If a politician

truly

> > grasps the truth about where the people are, he can manipulate

this

> truth to

> > do huge things, that's Saturn.

> >

> > A yogi or priest or guru is as good as his grasp of truth, that

which is

> > unchanging, true, conceptually correct, therefore HELPFUL.

> >

> > So religion, medicine, science, service to others, has to have the

> element

> > of truth, to work, to be real, to be helpful. Truth creates

> realities which

> > if things are based on, they become "helpful". Saturn therefore

has

> a play

> > in the foundation of creating what is really GOOD and HELPFUL. It

> must be

> > based on truth first of all, true science.

> >

> > This is why some religiosity is not helpful. It seems to be based

on

> > sentiment for a God, giving away one's power to an unhelpful God.

That

> > doesn't seem to be good science. It's science "until real science

> comes".

> >

> > Anwyay, just a thought,

> >

> > Das Goravani, Pres.

> >

> > Service@D...

> >

> > http://www.dancingmooninc.com

> >

April 1, 2005

Dear Dawn,

Rahu is the head of the serpent which has ketu as its

tail. This serpent is head down and as the kundilini activates the energy of

rahu starts converting into ketu. The kundilini is considered fully active

when all rahu power has changed into ketu. There have been defined two kinds

of energy movement, taking the Rahu and Ketu energy as equal and stationed

at solar plexus. One is Adho-Gati, downwards movement which increase rahu

and decreases ketu energy. The other is Urdhva-Gati, which decreases Rahu

and increases Ketu energy. Urdhva-Gati has to be maintained to attain

enlightenment. Adho-Gati is the natural flow in all living beings.

In fact it is Rahu which is keeping the world going by increasing

desires for better things and surroundings. Necessity is the mother of

invention and Rahu creates the necessities. Without its energy we would

still be living on branches.

Ashutosh.

-

Dawn <astrodawnau

Saturday, April 02, 2005 09:59

Re: SATURN:The planet of Blessings/Punishment!

>

> Yes the Kumbha has great significance. Aquarius is the sign of the

> collective consciousness reached through the sahastrara Chakra,

> (Satabhishi is of course 100 petalled flower and the Sahastrara is

> 1000 petalled lotus) Rahu the owner of that asterism represents

> Kundalini.

>

> Of course rahu and ketu both relate to spirituality. But Rahu is the

> actual kundalini power, which is the power that has to be activated

> to become enlightened.

>

> In the sign of Aquarius the Kumbha being poured signifies the pouring

> of the individual consciousness into the sea of the collective

> consciousness which is what happens in the actual experience of

> enlightment. Its an actualisation not a mental thought process which

> goes beyond the thought process and can be experienced. But thats the

> REAL significance of the water pot.

>

> I have been invited to write a section in a book about Indian music

> and spirituality, where I will include more details of this and other

> matters. I will post on here when its published (if it goes ahead)

>

> dawn woodhouse

>

> valist, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Without being much religious. Let me add something which comes

> > across my mind on this topic.

> > Kumbha is said to be Lagna of Shiva (Ishana, one who rules

> northeast

> > quarter). He is said to be high up in Kailasha. His vehicle is 4th

> > from Kumbha which is Taurus, The Bull. The 10th house(Karma) from

> > Kumbha is Scorpio the natural 8th house controlling death and also

> > research.

> > Jupiter is said to be akin to exaltation in Kumbha. Is there a

> reason

> > why many rituals invoke all the Gods in a water pot(Kumbha) ?

> > The Brahma, Vishnu, Maheshwara are said to be in various

> > portions(Neck, middle, bottom etc) of Kumbha(pot).

> >

> > Just few thoughts to add.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > The sciences, reside in Kumba, in the fixed air, unmoving air,

> > thoughts that

> > > do not change, that is science. That which is true, is Kumba,

> > Saturn ruled,

> > > whether small or large sciences or truth covering small or larger

> time

> > > spands, the truth which is true has an element of Kumba in it,

> > because truth

> > > is a thought, air, a thing you cannot see or touch, just air,

> ether,

> > it's

> > > true, a perception, the perception of truth, the USE of truth.

> > >

> > > The USE of truth is what makes something strong. If a politician

> truly

> > > grasps the truth about where the people are, he can manipulate

> this

> > truth to

> > > do huge things, that's Saturn.

> > >

> > > A yogi or priest or guru is as good as his grasp of truth, that

> which is

> > > unchanging, true, conceptually correct, therefore HELPFUL.

> > >

> > > So religion, medicine, science, service to others, has to have the

> > element

> > > of truth, to work, to be real, to be helpful. Truth creates

> > realities which

> > > if things are based on, they become "helpful". Saturn therefore

> has

> > a play

> > > in the foundation of creating what is really GOOD and HELPFUL. It

> > must be

> > > based on truth first of all, true science.

> > >

> > > This is why some religiosity is not helpful. It seems to be based

> on

> > > sentiment for a God, giving away one's power to an unhelpful God.

> That

> > > doesn't seem to be good science. It's science "until real science

> > comes".

> > >

> > > Anwyay, just a thought,

> > >

> > > Das Goravani, Pres.

> > >

> > > Service@D...

> > >

> > > http://www.dancingmooninc.com

> > >

>

> Links

>

April 1, 2005

Namaste all,

Souls that reach Kumbha have already joined the forces of the divine.

They have overcome all their past procilivities and now serve their

Divine Master in implementing his plan. The Pitcher which is the body

of man, holds water which purifies. The ego here implement the divine

plan and attempts to accelerate the spiritual evolution of humanity.

A classic example is Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.

Saturn rules two contigous areas of the Zodiac, Capricron and

Aquarius, where the ego which has commenced his sattwic journey (the

realisation that union with the ultimate purpose of the soul). Saturn

works on the ego and puts him through heart wrenching sorrow where all

his earlier self-centric thoughts, desires and emotions are removed.

This process of removal is like travelling through a desolate

landscape of deprivation and utter desolation. IT is here that the ego

finally surrenders to the divine and is accepted by the Master.

regards

arun

April 2, 2005

> Saturn

> works on the ego and puts him through heart wrenching sorrow where all

> his earlier self-centric thoughts, desires and emotions are removed.

> This process of removal is like travelling through a desolate

> landscape of deprivation and utter desolation.

I have Kumba rashi. The above is an accurate description of my inner

feelings most of the time for end of my shani dasha, say the last 5 years,

which is just now finished.

Rick

April 3, 2005

Pujay shri Ashutoshji,

sorry to trouble u - but I am practiseing the awakeing of Maha Shakti Kundalini,

and pray her all the time- although I do feel number of things happening within

the body-

plus number of think which is very difficult to explain.

Our Pujay Sri Wendji

who went through the horoscope and has noted moksha as well - apart from that

Shri Dasji, has indicated numbers of things through GJ -

If u wish u can also see through the chart - hence I give u birthdetails as

below:

DOB 18 AUGUST 1931 POB KARACHI TOB 08-00AM

now main point is as u mentioned about Rahu / Ketu -

since I pray Ma Shakti - does that mean that I am awakeing Rahudev/Ketu dev or

what ?

as per my feelings I am quite certain the time is coming nearer -= for

enlightment -

as since the time of starting Ketu Maha Dasha - main feeling is to give up food

completely

and start to go on my life only on liquid - most of the time now a days I stay

only on water some days.

Although as mentioned by Pujay Shri Wendiji - practically my life is always on -

JAPA - MEDITATIONS - ANUSTHAN ETC., but number of time I start Anusthan for a

few days it works all right but alll of sudden obsticales comes and it breaks,

There was a time when I was able to complete the anusthan - now days problems to

do come

My request to everyone is please guide me how to overcome this Hiderance

(Obesticles)

although I have started praying Lord Ganesh the remover of obsticales - as

suggested by one of our members

I beg to all of u - GUIDE ME TO REACH THE GOAL,

regards to every one

pdk

Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: