Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Dear Amarji, Would it be possible for you to post the whole story of Maharaj Prikshit & his descendants ? or atleast as much as is posible. I try & look for princepals within the characters, as you have described Shri Krishna`s representations in different forms in your post below & this helps me to understand much & recognize it in other beings & forms. Many Thanks. Hari OM. Shabnam -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: fas fas [foreignersassistance] Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 21:25 An: valist Betreff: RE: Maha Shivratri Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the list members, Hare Krishna. Ashutosh, the Astrologer wrote ; " I am an atheist who does not feel the need to worship anyone or anything.........". As an Astrologer, we study the TIME and Planets SUN, MOON and so on to help other people. You believe in TIME and the planets. That is why you are an Astrologer. Isn't It ? Shri Krishana speaks to Arjuna in the Bhagavat Gita , “Aham sarvasya prabhavo , mattah sarvam pravartate, iti matva bhajante mam, budha bhava-samanvitah. (Bhag. Ch.10-Text 8).” Shri Krishana says singularly, “ I AM THE SOURCE OF ALL SPIRITUAL AND MATERIAL WORLDS. EVERYTHING EMANATES FROM ME. THE WISE WHO KNOW THIS PERFECTLY ENGAGE IN MY DEVOTIONAL SERVICE AND WORSHIP ME WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS.” The translation of the above Shloka (Text) by one of the greatest world reknown modern days philosophical Scholar of Sanskrit, Bengali, English, and the Spiritual Master His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (my Siksa Gurudev) also states and confirms this in his writing of English translation of Bhagavad-gita , Srimad Bhagavatam and other revealed Vedic literature. Further more it is said in the Atharva-Veda ; brahmanyo devaki-putrah ; The son of Devaki, Krishana is the Supreme Personality and it continues, “ In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality, Shri Narayana (Krishana). There was no Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Krishana who creates all and enjoys all.” This is further confirmed in Chapter 10 Text 20 of Bhagavad gita in which Lord Shri Krishana states, “I am the Self, O Gudakesa , seated in the hearts of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all beings.” >From Ch.10 – Text 21, Lord Shri Krishana states, “Of the Adityas I am Visnu, of lights I am the radiant Sun, I am Marici of the Maruts, and among the stars I am the MOON.” Further Text 22 – ch.10 states, “Of the Vedas I am the Sama-veda; of the demigods I am Indra; of the senses I am the mind, and in living beings I am the living force.” Text 23 says, “Of all the Rudras I am Lord Siva; of the Yaksas and Raksasas I am the lord of wealth (Kuvera);, of the Vasus I am fire (Agni), and of the mountains I am Meru.” Text 24 reads, “Of priests, O Arjuna, know me to be the chief, Brhaspati, the lord of devotion. Of generals I am Skanda, the lord of war; and of bodies of water I am the Ocean.” Text 25 further reads, “Of the great sages I am Bhrgu; of vibrations I am the transcendental OM. Of sacrifices I am the chanting of the holy names (japa) and of immovable things I am the Himalayas.” Text 32 ch. 10 also states , “Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the Self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.” Text 39 of Ch. 10 continues to state further; “ O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being – moving or unmoving-that can exist without Me.” Text 40 & 42 , Ch.10 Lord Shri Krishana says, “O mighty conqueror of enemies, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken to you is but a mere indication of My infinite opulences.” “ But what need is there, Arjuna, for all this detailed knowledge? With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and support this entire universe.” Chapter 9 – Text 11, Lord Shri Krishana says to Arjuna, “ Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.” The Lord descends to this mortal world to show His pastimes (Lila) in Vrndavana which are full of happiness. The total population of Vrndavana knew nothing but Krishana. But Lord Krishana even discouraged His father Nanda Maharaja from worshiping the demigod Indra because He wanted to establish the fact that people need not worship any demigod. They need only worship the Supreme Lord because their ultimate goal is to return to His abode. In chapter 15 , verse (Text) 6, the abode of Lord Sri Krishana is described. “The abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by fire or electricity. It goes on and on. So, if you are an Atheist and denying the very existence of the Creator what you are studying and practising Astrology, a part of the Veda, in my opinion, you are contradicting to yourself. I do not know why you are calling yourself an Atheist and yet, practising the divine science of Astrology the same time, you have lot of explaining to do to yourself. Hope the above is helpful. Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT. With my best wishes.................AMAR PURI. >"astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh >valist >valist >Maha Shivratri >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:58:54 -0000 > > > > >Dear astro-philes, > I am an atheist who does not feel the need to >worship anyone or anything. But, I am always fascinated by the origins >of religions and rituals all over the world. > Siva linga and Yoni are worshipped together. Why? Is it a >subliminal acceptance and release of sexual tensions, or deitification >of sex as a holy act? Could it be a realization of the importance of >procreation act as a prime requirement for human existence. > We are today too ashamed to see sexual acts or sights in public. >But, here we find sex organs being worshipped. I am not religious at >all but I believe that all rituals arose from a genuine need to guide >people towards better life. > Waiting for your replies, > Ashutosh. > > > > Links > > > > > > > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Hello dear Shabnam and the list members, Hare Krishna. The information you requested is available in the Srimad Bhagavatam in different volume and I described the information in my email as per the Bhagavat Gita. Hari BOL. With my best wishes.............AMAR PURI. >"Bioacoustics" <bioacoustics >valist ><valist> >AW: Maha Shivratri >Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:42:08 +0100 > > >Dear Amarji, > >Would it be possible for you to post the whole story of Maharaj Prikshit & >his descendants ? or atleast as much as is posible. >I try & look for princepals within the characters, as you have described >Shri Krishna`s representations in different forms in your post below & this >helps me to understand much & recognize it in other beings & forms. > >Many Thanks. > >Hari OM. > >Shabnam > > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: fas fas [foreignersassistance] >Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 21:25 >An: valist >Betreff: RE: Maha Shivratri > > > >Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the list members, > >Hare Krishna. > >Ashutosh, the Astrologer wrote ; " I am an atheist who does not feel the >need to worship anyone or anything.........". As an Astrologer, we study >the TIME and Planets SUN, MOON and so on to help other people. You believe >in TIME and the planets. That is why you are an Astrologer. Isn't It ? > >Shri Krishana speaks to Arjuna in the Bhagavat Gita , “Aham sarvasya >prabhavo , mattah sarvam pravartate, iti matva bhajante mam, budha >bhava-samanvitah. (Bhag. Ch.10-Text 8).” Shri Krishana says singularly, “ >I AM THE SOURCE OF ALL SPIRITUAL AND MATERIAL WORLDS. EVERYTHING EMANATES >FROM ME. THE WISE WHO KNOW THIS PERFECTLY ENGAGE IN MY DEVOTIONAL SERVICE >AND WORSHIP ME WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS.” The translation of the above >Shloka >(Text) by one of the greatest world reknown modern days philosophical >Scholar of Sanskrit, Bengali, English, and the Spiritual Master His >Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (my Siksa Gurudev) also >states and confirms this in his writing of English translation of >Bhagavad-gita , Srimad Bhagavatam and other revealed Vedic literature. > >Further more it is said in the Atharva-Veda ; brahmanyo devaki-putrah ; >The son of Devaki, Krishana is the Supreme Personality and it continues, “ >In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality, >Shri Narayana (Krishana). There was no Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon, >no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Krishana who creates all and >enjoys all.” This is further confirmed in Chapter 10 Text 20 of Bhagavad >gita in which Lord Shri Krishana states, “I am the Self, O Gudakesa , >seated >in the hearts of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the end >of all beings.” > >From Ch.10 – Text 21, Lord Shri Krishana states, “Of the Adityas I am >Visnu, >of lights I am the radiant Sun, I am Marici of the Maruts, and among the >stars I am the MOON.” >Further Text 22 – ch.10 states, “Of the Vedas I am the Sama-veda; of the >demigods I am Indra; of the senses I am the mind, and in living beings I am >the living force.” Text 23 says, “Of all the Rudras I am Lord Siva; of the >Yaksas and Raksasas I am the lord of wealth (Kuvera);, of the Vasus I am >fire (Agni), and of the mountains I am Meru.” Text 24 reads, “Of priests, O >Arjuna, know me to be the chief, Brhaspati, the lord of devotion. Of >generals I am Skanda, the lord of war; and of bodies of water I am the >Ocean.” Text 25 further reads, “Of the great sages I am Bhrgu; of >vibrations >I am the transcendental OM. Of sacrifices I am the chanting of the holy >names (japa) and of immovable things I am the Himalayas.” Text 32 ch. 10 >also states , “Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the >middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the Self, >and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.” > >Text 39 of Ch. 10 continues to state further; “ O Arjuna, I am the >generating seed of all existences. There is no being – moving or >unmoving-that can exist without Me.” >Text 40 & 42 , Ch.10 Lord Shri Krishana says, “O mighty conqueror of >enemies, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken >to >you is but a mere indication of My infinite opulences.” “ But what need is >there, Arjuna, for all this detailed knowledge? With a single fragment of >Myself I pervade and support this entire universe.” >Chapter 9 – Text 11, Lord Shri Krishana says to Arjuna, “ Fools deride Me >when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental >nature >and My supreme dominion over all that be.” > >The Lord descends to this mortal world to show His pastimes (Lila) in >Vrndavana which are full of happiness. The total population of Vrndavana >knew nothing but Krishana. But Lord Krishana even discouraged His father >Nanda Maharaja from worshiping the demigod Indra because He wanted to >establish the fact that people need not worship any demigod. They need >only >worship the Supreme Lord because their ultimate goal is to return to His >abode. In chapter 15 , verse (Text) 6, the abode of Lord Sri Krishana is >described. “The abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by >fire or electricity. > >It goes on and on. So, if you are an Atheist and denying the very >existence >of the Creator what you are studying and practising Astrology, a part of >the >Veda, in my opinion, you are contradicting to yourself. I do not know why >you are calling yourself an Atheist and yet, practising the divine science >of Astrology the same time, you have lot of explaining to do to yourself. > >Hope the above is helpful. > >Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT. > >With my best wishes.................AMAR PURI. > > >"astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh > >valist > >valist > >Maha Shivratri > >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:58:54 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Dear astro-philes, > > I am an atheist who does not feel the need to > >worship anyone or anything. But, I am always fascinated by the origins > >of religions and rituals all over the world. > > Siva linga and Yoni are worshipped together. Why? Is it a > >subliminal acceptance and release of sexual tensions, or deitification > >of sex as a holy act? Could it be a realization of the importance of > >procreation act as a prime requirement for human existence. > > We are today too ashamed to see sexual acts or sights in public. > >But, here we find sex organs being worshipped. I am not religious at > >all but I believe that all rituals arose from a genuine need to guide > >people towards better life. > > Waiting for your replies, > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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