Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Atlantis- have you folks into this heard of the Dolphin Ridge in the Atlantic? It's a large submerged island that fills the middle of the atlantic, very real, not a myth, viewable from space, known to oceanographers. It's quite potentially a sunken island. Bhagavatam- if a majority began to believe this book, there would be one religion again worldwide, because it's rather all inclusive, as our friend Amar has been pointing out. It acts like it knows world/universal history rather completely. I wonder how many Hindus actually believe it literally the way Amar and Hare Krishna devotees promote it? It states also that the original black person was the "sin" churned from the body of a bad dead king in India, does it not? Hmmm, might not go over well in Africa. (To HK's and Hindus in general, I'm just joking around here- but it does state that correct? The "Neshada" ???) It's universal structure statements are very strange, and the movement has gone to great lengths to justify and make sense of them, though the result is bizarre to most minds. Some parts are obvious metaphor, but it's hard to sort out the metaphor from the history. In Amar I hear a literalist, but I'm still glad he posts as he does to give that view, a very pure, original, ancient, Hindu view, or Indian view of things. After all, this is Jyotish, a product of India so it seems, their domain, so to speak. The gods and nakshatras, grahas, etc., the stories we use etc., much of it comes from books like Bhagavatam. I have to say that when the monks got the last Irish natives to talk to them about their beliefs, what was written down, which is now called as Irish Mythology, which you can get at the bookstore as well, sounds a lot like Bhagavatam- like, Yayati changes his old age with one of his sons' youth so that he can enjoy more sex, and later gives it back, like, a couple young doctors born from a Horse replace the head of a man with that of a goat, and so on, wild and crazy stuff, well, that's the same kind of stuff you find in other ancient mythologies, like as in Ireland. So, it's clear that ancient peoples believed very wild stuff. That's for sure. But then again, as to the doubters, look to the modern world- all's we do is mess it up, ruin it, kill species and forests, and make cell phones. What will become of the Earth? The Nations? Things are not looking good. Bhagavatam says it's Kali Yuga and we're all going downhill- looks correct at this point, to me, at this time. Hmmm. Das Goravani, Pres. Service http://www.dancingmooninc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Dear Das Prabhu and the List Members, Hare Krishna. Believe or disbelieve, accept or reject, these are individual choices. Above these choices there are Laws of Nature under which we are all governed, no matter what. It is as simple as that. That is what also we study in the Jytoish. Jytoish being part and parcel of the Veda, we are discussing how it appears. How one accepts how it appears is, indeed, an individual choice to accept or reject, believe or disbelieve but the fact remains that it does exist. No body can deny that. Isn't it ? Now, it is up to us (the Individual), how we take it from here that makes the difference besides the universal history (Ithias), Two great Episodes, The Ramayana and The Mahabharata also part of the Vedas which reveals its very existence as well. Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT. With my best wishes and regards..............AMAR PURI. >Das Goravani <> >valist >"valist" <valist> >Atlantis and Bhagavatam >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:15:11 -0800 > > > >Atlantis- have you folks into this heard of the Dolphin Ridge in the >Atlantic? > >It's a large submerged island that fills the middle of the atlantic, very >real, not a myth, viewable from space, known to oceanographers. It's quite >potentially a sunken island. > >Bhagavatam- if a majority began to believe this book, there would be one >religion again worldwide, because it's rather all inclusive, as our friend >Amar has been pointing out. It acts like it knows world/universal history >rather completely. I wonder how many Hindus actually believe it literally >the way Amar and Hare Krishna devotees promote it? > >It states also that the original black person was the "sin" churned from >the >body of a bad dead king in India, does it not? Hmmm, might not go over well >in Africa. (To HK's and Hindus in general, I'm just joking around here- but >it does state that correct? The "Neshada" ???) > >It's universal structure statements are very strange, and the movement has >gone to great lengths to justify and make sense of them, though the result >is bizarre to most minds. Some parts are obvious metaphor, but it's hard to >sort out the metaphor from the history. > >In Amar I hear a literalist, but I'm still glad he posts as he does to give >that view, a very pure, original, ancient, Hindu view, or Indian view of >things. After all, this is Jyotish, a product of India so it seems, their >domain, so to speak. The gods and nakshatras, grahas, etc., the stories we >use etc., much of it comes from books like Bhagavatam. > >I have to say that when the monks got the last Irish natives to talk to >them >about their beliefs, what was written down, which is now called as Irish >Mythology, which you can get at the bookstore as well, sounds a lot like >Bhagavatam- like, Yayati changes his old age with one of his sons' youth so >that he can enjoy more sex, and later gives it back, like, a couple young >doctors born from a Horse replace the head of a man with that of a goat, >and >so on, wild and crazy stuff, well, that's the same kind of stuff you find >in >other ancient mythologies, like as in Ireland. So, it's clear that ancient >peoples believed very wild stuff. That's for sure. > >But then again, as to the doubters, look to the modern world- all's we do >is >mess it up, ruin it, kill species and forests, and make cell phones. > >What will become of the Earth? The Nations? Things are not looking good. >Bhagavatam says it's Kali Yuga and we're all going downhill- looks correct >at this point, to me, at this time. > >Hmmm. > > >Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > >Service > > > > > >http://www.dancingmooninc.com > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Hey, Das There might be the possibility that humans will inhabit Mars and perhaps terraform the planet for suitability to human living. So, Kali Yuga is not that bad in that respect. However, we have to admit that much of the problems here on earth these days are due to the failure to understand the true basis of the entire universe, which is consciousness. I don't want to use the word "spirituality" to describe the basis of Nature as it connotes to some people a sectarian and religious concept. Suffice is it to say that most people are attached to the material world, which is really based on nothing. We fail to recognize that all of things around us are really in the long run part of us. As such, we should have mastery over Nature rather than humans hankering over a finite object such as money and other status symbols. Related to this thought is the beatitude in the Christian tradition which states that "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth". In other words, the true enjoyer of the earthly gifts are those who don't get attached to the objects of this world. That is, the meek recognizes that everything in this universe is based on his own Self and is really a diversification his own bliss. As such, the meek inherits and enjoys the world for what it really is. Regards, John R. valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: > > Atlantis- have you folks into this heard of the Dolphin Ridge in the > Atlantic? > > It's a large submerged island that fills the middle of the atlantic, very > real, not a myth, viewable from space, known to oceanographers. It's quite > potentially a sunken island. > > Bhagavatam- if a majority began to believe this book, there would be one > religion again worldwide, because it's rather all inclusive, as our friend > Amar has been pointing out. It acts like it knows world/universal history > rather completely. I wonder how many Hindus actually believe it literally > the way Amar and Hare Krishna devotees promote it? > > It states also that the original black person was the "sin" churned from the > body of a bad dead king in India, does it not? Hmmm, might not go over well > in Africa. (To HK's and Hindus in general, I'm just joking around here- but > it does state that correct? The "Neshada" ???) > > It's universal structure statements are very strange, and the movement has > gone to great lengths to justify and make sense of them, though the result > is bizarre to most minds. Some parts are obvious metaphor, but it's hard to > sort out the metaphor from the history. > > In Amar I hear a literalist, but I'm still glad he posts as he does to give > that view, a very pure, original, ancient, Hindu view, or Indian view of > things. After all, this is Jyotish, a product of India so it seems, their > domain, so to speak. The gods and nakshatras, grahas, etc., the stories we > use etc., much of it comes from books like Bhagavatam. > > I have to say that when the monks got the last Irish natives to talk to them > about their beliefs, what was written down, which is now called as Irish > Mythology, which you can get at the bookstore as well, sounds a lot like > Bhagavatam- like, Yayati changes his old age with one of his sons' youth so > that he can enjoy more sex, and later gives it back, like, a couple young > doctors born from a Horse replace the head of a man with that of a goat, and > so on, wild and crazy stuff, well, that's the same kind of stuff you find in > other ancient mythologies, like as in Ireland. So, it's clear that ancient > peoples believed very wild stuff. That's for sure. > > But then again, as to the doubters, look to the modern world- all's we do is > mess it up, ruin it, kill species and forests, and make cell phones. > > What will become of the Earth? The Nations? Things are not looking good. > Bhagavatam says it's Kali Yuga and we're all going downhill- looks correct > at this point, to me, at this time. > > Hmmm. > > > Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > > Service@D... > > > > > > http://www.dancingmooninc.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Dear John, Man will eventually inhabit Mars and all other planets too. The desires of man are strange. He is destroying the ecosystem on the only known planet in universe where life exists and where he can survive with least efforts. Here we have all resources imaginable for life to flourish. Ironically, on the other hand he is aiming to convert a totally inhospitable planet like Mars into a place which can sustain life. We humans tend to make things complex as if we simply hate simplicity. In astrology too, instead of keeping it simple and precise, lots of beating about the bush goes on. This only contributes to the disenchantment among people who come in good faith to astrologers. Ashutosh. - John <jr_esq <valist> Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:54 Re: Atlantis and Bhagavatam > > > Hey, Das > > There might be the possibility that humans will inhabit Mars and > perhaps terraform the planet for suitability to human living. So, > Kali Yuga is not that bad in that respect. > > However, we have to admit that much of the problems here on earth > these days are due to the failure to understand the true basis of the > entire universe, which is consciousness. I don't want to use the > word "spirituality" to describe the basis of Nature as it connotes to > some people a sectarian and religious concept. Suffice is it to say > that most people are attached to the material world, which is really > based on nothing. We fail to recognize that all of things around us > are really in the long run part of us. As such, we should have > mastery over Nature rather than humans hankering over a finite object > such as money and other status symbols. > > Related to this thought is the beatitude in the Christian tradition > which states that "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the > earth". In other words, the true enjoyer of the earthly gifts are > those who don't get attached to the objects of this world. That is, > the meek recognizes that everything in this universe is based on his > own Self and is really a diversification his own bliss. As such, the > meek inherits and enjoys the world for what it really is. > > Regards, > > John R. > valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: > > > > Atlantis- have you folks into this heard of the Dolphin Ridge in the > > Atlantic? > > > > It's a large submerged island that fills the middle of the > atlantic, very > > real, not a myth, viewable from space, known to oceanographers. > It's quite > > potentially a sunken island. > > > > Bhagavatam- if a majority began to believe this book, there would > be one > > religion again worldwide, because it's rather all inclusive, as our > friend > > Amar has been pointing out. It acts like it knows world/universal > history > > rather completely. I wonder how many Hindus actually believe it > literally > > the way Amar and Hare Krishna devotees promote it? > > > > It states also that the original black person was the "sin" churned > from the > > body of a bad dead king in India, does it not? Hmmm, might not go > over well > > in Africa. (To HK's and Hindus in general, I'm just joking around > here- but > > it does state that correct? The "Neshada" ???) > > > > It's universal structure statements are very strange, and the > movement has > > gone to great lengths to justify and make sense of them, though the > result > > is bizarre to most minds. Some parts are obvious metaphor, but it's > hard to > > sort out the metaphor from the history. > > > > In Amar I hear a literalist, but I'm still glad he posts as he does > to give > > that view, a very pure, original, ancient, Hindu view, or Indian > view of > > things. After all, this is Jyotish, a product of India so it seems, > their > > domain, so to speak. The gods and nakshatras, grahas, etc., the > stories we > > use etc., much of it comes from books like Bhagavatam. > > > > I have to say that when the monks got the last Irish natives to > talk to them > > about their beliefs, what was written down, which is now called as > Irish > > Mythology, which you can get at the bookstore as well, sounds a lot > like > > Bhagavatam- like, Yayati changes his old age with one of his sons' > youth so > > that he can enjoy more sex, and later gives it back, like, a couple > young > > doctors born from a Horse replace the head of a man with that of a > goat, and > > so on, wild and crazy stuff, well, that's the same kind of stuff > you find in > > other ancient mythologies, like as in Ireland. So, it's clear that > ancient > > peoples believed very wild stuff. That's for sure. > > > > But then again, as to the doubters, look to the modern world- all's > we do is > > mess it up, ruin it, kill species and forests, and make cell phones. > > > > What will become of the Earth? The Nations? Things are not looking > good. > > Bhagavatam says it's Kali Yuga and we're all going downhill- looks > correct > > at this point, to me, at this time. > > > > Hmmm. > > > > > > Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > > > > > > > Service@D... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dancingmooninc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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