AW: AW: AW: love for animals - to bioacoustics

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Hullo Mary,

 

Yes, mine was a genral comment about humans & had nothing to do with

anything except the statement " humans are special "

It simply caught my eye & my comments popped into my mind & onto my computer

screen.

I`m not saying anything remotely profound so rest assuared, you are missing

nothing at all.

 

I realize what you mean about giving examples & it makes sense to do so,

specially as we all speak a different English in every country & it helps

to have some uniform clarity. On the other hand, it can take some wind out

of the humour if one begins to explain everything.

 

I guess one can get what one gets & the rest isnt important.

 

Your response is appriciated.......

 

Hari Om

 

Shabnam

 

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

Von: Mary Quinn [mary1quinn]

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 05:51

An: valist

Betreff: Re: AW: AW: love for animals - to bioacoustics

 

 

 

Hi Shabnam,

 

Thanks for the definitions. I didn't really need them,

but I did enjoy the spiritual vs emotional example you

gave (the seeing into a clear pond). That was nicely

done.

 

But what I didn't understand was why you even said

what you said. Was it in direct relation to what Das

said? Was it a comment about Das himself? Was it a

general comment about humans in general having nothing

to do with anything except the statement "humans are

special"?

 

I guess I just feel that you are trying to say

something specific and I'm missing it completely.

 

Usually, when people make a general statement they

have a specific example in mind. If you give your

specific example (ie: I knew a guy once who had a cat

and he thought the cat prayed 5 times a day while

staring at mecca...but frankly I think the cat was

staring at the guy's wind chimes...[you know, that

kind of thing]) it would make your post more

interesting and, of course, make it a springboard onto

which people can comment (other than comments like

mine which say nothing at all).

 

I won't speculate as to why Das hasn't responded to

you - I'll assume you're being tongue in cheek again.

 

:-)

 

 

--- Bioacoustics <bioacoustics wrote:

 

>

> Dear Mary,

>

> Das had written " Humans are special " I just picked

> up on this quite

> casually &

> my comments were more of a tounge in cheek repartee

> on his observation but I

> see that I`m probably laughing alone...

>

> My husband says I often talk from the cliff top but

> nevertheless, I will try

> to explain..

> According to the dictionary, facts are reality or

> actuality & concepts are

> abstract ideas.

> For example, for years in my youth, I have worn

> clothes one size too small

> because I had a concept that my body was a size 4

> but in fact, my clothes

> were often a wee bit too tight & always needed

> adjusting. Not that I would

> have ever admitted it then.

> The whole advertizing business is based on selling

> concepts to people who

> want relief from their realities.

> We humans are special because we can look at

> ourselves thru our own

> delusions & believe what we think we see to be the

> truth.

>

> For me, spirituality is inner stillness &

> equilibrium, like a very still

> pond & one can see the bottom of it quite clearly.

> Emotions have quite the

> opposite effect as they create waves of

> disturbances. Value judgements could

> also create waves because often they are based on

> emotional concepts.

> Crying at the sight of exquisite beauty in nature or

> feeling great sorrow

> when witnessing someone`s misfortune would be fair

> examples of the emotional

> waves. When witnessed by an inner silence which

> understands the laws of

> cause & effect to be the truth, would be more

> spiritual.

>

> Nothing is iron clad & these are just my

> perspectives ( delusions ) at this

> point in time.

>

> Wonder why Das hasnt made any comments, seeing as I

> had responded to his

> post.....

>

> hari Om !

>

> Shabnam

>

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> Von: Mary Quinn [mary1quinn]

> Gesendet: Montag, 21. Februar 2005 06:34

> An: valist

> Betreff: Re: AW: love for animals - to

> bioacoustics

>

>

>

> Dear Shabnam,

>

> However much I stare at your post (and, sadly, I've

> been sitting here staring at it for a while), I just

> don't get what you're talking about.

>

> That Das says animals have emotions is clear, no

> need

> to explain that part.

>

> But which "facts/spirituality/one thing" is being

> mixed up or confused with which

> "concepts/emotions/another"?

>

> Are you saying animals don't have emotions? Are you

> saying animals can't get their perspectives

> confused?

> Gads, could you be saying animals aren't spiritual??

>

> Actually, all I want to know is: what are you

> talking

> about? Did I miss a post?

>

> I guess it's not important in the scheme of things

> but

> I dislike being stumped and feeling stupid. This

> will

> annoy my mind (at least until some shiny object

> distracts me).

>

> Mary

>

>

> --- Bioacoustics <bioacoustics wrote:

>

> > Das Wrote:

> >

> > Just spend time with any animal, real time and

> real

> > attention, and this fact

> > of their feeling-ness will be seen. Even little

> > ones have full feelings.

> >

> > My little cockatiels exhibit the full range of

> > emotions quite clearly, even

> > though they have such little brains that I call

> one

> > of them "flathead".

> >

> > Humans are special, but not because of emotions.

> > Animals have emotions.

> > Period.

> >

> > Dear Das

> >

> > Might be that humans are special because they are

> > really good at getting

> > their facts & concepts all mixed up, just like

> they

> > get their spirituality &

> > emotions all mixed up.

> > Infact one could say that humans are probably the

> > only species which can get

> > their perspectives really confused & usually see

> one

> > thing in another.

> >

> > Hari Om !

> >

> > Shabnam

 

 

 

 

 

 

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