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Dear Mary,

 

Das had written " Humans are special " I just picked up on this quite

casually &

my comments were more of a tounge in cheek repartee on his observation but I

see that I`m probably laughing alone...

 

My husband says I often talk from the cliff top but nevertheless, I will try

to explain..

According to the dictionary, facts are reality or actuality & concepts are

abstract ideas.

For example, for years in my youth, I have worn clothes one size too small

because I had a concept that my body was a size 4 but in fact, my clothes

were often a wee bit too tight & always needed adjusting. Not that I would

have ever admitted it then.

The whole advertizing business is based on selling concepts to people who

want relief from their realities.

We humans are special because we can look at ourselves thru our own

delusions & believe what we think we see to be the truth.

 

For me, spirituality is inner stillness & equilibrium, like a very still

pond & one can see the bottom of it quite clearly. Emotions have quite the

opposite effect as they create waves of disturbances. Value judgements could

also create waves because often they are based on emotional concepts.

Crying at the sight of exquisite beauty in nature or feeling great sorrow

when witnessing someone`s misfortune would be fair examples of the emotional

waves. When witnessed by an inner silence which understands the laws of

cause & effect to be the truth, would be more spiritual.

 

Nothing is iron clad & these are just my perspectives ( delusions ) at this

point in time.

 

Wonder why Das hasnt made any comments, seeing as I had responded to his

post.....

 

hari Om !

 

Shabnam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

Von: Mary Quinn [mary1quinn]

Gesendet: Montag, 21. Februar 2005 06:34

An: valist

Betreff: Re: AW: love for animals - to bioacoustics

 

 

 

Dear Shabnam,

 

However much I stare at your post (and, sadly, I've

been sitting here staring at it for a while), I just

don't get what you're talking about.

 

That Das says animals have emotions is clear, no need

to explain that part.

 

But which "facts/spirituality/one thing" is being

mixed up or confused with which

"concepts/emotions/another"?

 

Are you saying animals don't have emotions? Are you

saying animals can't get their perspectives confused?

Gads, could you be saying animals aren't spiritual??

 

Actually, all I want to know is: what are you talking

about? Did I miss a post?

 

I guess it's not important in the scheme of things but

I dislike being stumped and feeling stupid. This will

annoy my mind (at least until some shiny object

distracts me).

 

Mary

 

 

--- Bioacoustics <bioacoustics wrote:

 

> Das Wrote:

>

> Just spend time with any animal, real time and real

> attention, and this fact

> of their feeling-ness will be seen. Even little

> ones have full feelings.

>

> My little cockatiels exhibit the full range of

> emotions quite clearly, even

> though they have such little brains that I call one

> of them "flathead".

>

> Humans are special, but not because of emotions.

> Animals have emotions.

> Period.

>

> Dear Das

>

> Might be that humans are special because they are

> really good at getting

> their facts & concepts all mixed up, just like they

> get their spirituality &

> emotions all mixed up.

> Infact one could say that humans are probably the

> only species which can get

> their perspectives really confused & usually see one

> thing in another.

>

> Hari Om !

>

> Shabnam

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Shabnam,

 

Thanks for the definitions. I didn't really need them,

but I did enjoy the spiritual vs emotional example you

gave (the seeing into a clear pond). That was nicely

done.

 

But what I didn't understand was why you even said

what you said. Was it in direct relation to what Das

said? Was it a comment about Das himself? Was it a

general comment about humans in general having nothing

to do with anything except the statement "humans are

special"?

 

I guess I just feel that you are trying to say

something specific and I'm missing it completely.

 

Usually, when people make a general statement they

have a specific example in mind. If you give your

specific example (ie: I knew a guy once who had a cat

and he thought the cat prayed 5 times a day while

staring at mecca...but frankly I think the cat was

staring at the guy's wind chimes...[you know, that

kind of thing]) it would make your post more

interesting and, of course, make it a springboard onto

which people can comment (other than comments like

mine which say nothing at all).

 

I won't speculate as to why Das hasn't responded to

you - I'll assume you're being tongue in cheek again.

 

:-)

 

 

--- Bioacoustics <bioacoustics wrote:

 

>

> Dear Mary,

>

> Das had written " Humans are special " I just picked

> up on this quite

> casually &

> my comments were more of a tounge in cheek repartee

> on his observation but I

> see that I`m probably laughing alone...

>

> My husband says I often talk from the cliff top but

> nevertheless, I will try

> to explain..

> According to the dictionary, facts are reality or

> actuality & concepts are

> abstract ideas.

> For example, for years in my youth, I have worn

> clothes one size too small

> because I had a concept that my body was a size 4

> but in fact, my clothes

> were often a wee bit too tight & always needed

> adjusting. Not that I would

> have ever admitted it then.

> The whole advertizing business is based on selling

> concepts to people who

> want relief from their realities.

> We humans are special because we can look at

> ourselves thru our own

> delusions & believe what we think we see to be the

> truth.

>

> For me, spirituality is inner stillness &

> equilibrium, like a very still

> pond & one can see the bottom of it quite clearly.

> Emotions have quite the

> opposite effect as they create waves of

> disturbances. Value judgements could

> also create waves because often they are based on

> emotional concepts.

> Crying at the sight of exquisite beauty in nature or

> feeling great sorrow

> when witnessing someone`s misfortune would be fair

> examples of the emotional

> waves. When witnessed by an inner silence which

> understands the laws of

> cause & effect to be the truth, would be more

> spiritual.

>

> Nothing is iron clad & these are just my

> perspectives ( delusions ) at this

> point in time.

>

> Wonder why Das hasnt made any comments, seeing as I

> had responded to his

> post.....

>

> hari Om !

>

> Shabnam

>

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> Von: Mary Quinn [mary1quinn]

> Gesendet: Montag, 21. Februar 2005 06:34

> An: valist

> Betreff: Re: AW: love for animals - to

> bioacoustics

>

>

>

> Dear Shabnam,

>

> However much I stare at your post (and, sadly, I've

> been sitting here staring at it for a while), I just

> don't get what you're talking about.

>

> That Das says animals have emotions is clear, no

> need

> to explain that part.

>

> But which "facts/spirituality/one thing" is being

> mixed up or confused with which

> "concepts/emotions/another"?

>

> Are you saying animals don't have emotions? Are you

> saying animals can't get their perspectives

> confused?

> Gads, could you be saying animals aren't spiritual??

>

> Actually, all I want to know is: what are you

> talking

> about? Did I miss a post?

>

> I guess it's not important in the scheme of things

> but

> I dislike being stumped and feeling stupid. This

> will

> annoy my mind (at least until some shiny object

> distracts me).

>

> Mary

>

>

> --- Bioacoustics <bioacoustics wrote:

>

> > Das Wrote:

> >

> > Just spend time with any animal, real time and

> real

> > attention, and this fact

> > of their feeling-ness will be seen. Even little

> > ones have full feelings.

> >

> > My little cockatiels exhibit the full range of

> > emotions quite clearly, even

> > though they have such little brains that I call

> one

> > of them "flathead".

> >

> > Humans are special, but not because of emotions.

> > Animals have emotions.

> > Period.

> >

> > Dear Das

> >

> > Might be that humans are special because they are

> > really good at getting

> > their facts & concepts all mixed up, just like

> they

> > get their spirituality &

> > emotions all mixed up.

> > Infact one could say that humans are probably the

> > only species which can get

> > their perspectives really confused & usually see

> one

> > thing in another.

> >

> > Hari Om !

> >

> > Shabnam

 

 

 

 

 

 

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