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dear list,

 

the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to the well

being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could exchange places

with them.most often these people give preference to animal well being than

their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of violence , but who

are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where does one look for such

qualities in the chart?

 

is it mostly pyschological?

 

is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native feels better

thinking of himself living an animal life?

 

looking for answers

 

best wishes

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello dear Rhoda,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

Beside the affliction to the Sun, Moon and/or Mercury, the sign/house four

and five and the planets occupying therein, if any, can give that type of

behaviour mentioned in your querry.

 

Hari BOL.

 

With my best wishes................Amar Puri.

 

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>the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to the

>well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could exchange

>places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well

>being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of

>violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where does

>one look for such qualities in the chart?

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>is it mostly pyschological?

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>is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native feels

>better thinking of himself living an animal life?

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>looking for answers

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Hi Rhoda,

 

Conventional wisdom has the 6th house and Mercury as karakas for pets. I

haven't tested this in practice but those might be good starting points.

Having the 6th and its ruler and Mercury connected to personal points such

as the Asc, lagnesh, Sun and Moon may create an animal and pet lover.

 

Chris

 

 

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Dear all -

 

I believe it is the 3rd house that deals with "keeping pets".

 

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I thought it was the 6th house for domestic pets and

12th for farm animals?

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Hi Dear Rhoda,

 

Love of animals in my significator book is listed as: Moon and Virgo.

 

Best wishes,

Patrice

 

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dear list,

 

the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to the

well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could exchange

places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well

being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of

violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where does

one look for such qualities in the chart?

 

is it mostly pyschological?

 

is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native feels

better thinking of himself living an animal life?

 

looking for answers

 

best wishes

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Hi Patrice,

 

Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good sense

to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well.

 

Christopher

 

 

--- Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote:

 

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> Hi Dear Rhoda,

>

> Love of animals in my significator book is listed as: Moon and Virgo.

>

> Best wishes,

> Patrice

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> _____________

> dear list,

>

> the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to

> the

> well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could

> exchange

> places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well

> being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of

> violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where

> does

> one look for such qualities in the chart?

>

> is it mostly pyschological?

>

> is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native

> feels

> better thinking of himself living an animal life?

>

> looking for answers

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> best wishes

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Hi Christopher,

 

How are you doing? Yes, 6H definitely included. I was interested in offering

what this book of significators said as well specifically for 'Love of

Animals". I use this book a lot and like it. It's 'Dictionary of

Significators in Astrology" by Taneja and Sarna. They also list Mercury

under 'animals in general'. There are quite a few more specific ones given

in this book depending on what specific/type of animal....

 

I had also been told in the past to look to Mars for animals/pets but don't

see it really as a significator here except for wild animals. Under dogs

specifically, they mention what you've said, "Mercury, 6H, Virgo." Pet dogs:

"Moon, Mars, 6H". I have also been told Ketu can also indicate for dogs as

well. Street dogs listed as "Saturn".

 

Along what you've said also Chris, "Animal Trainers - Mercury, Virgo".

 

Separately from animals, Rhoda did mention bees as well, 'bees' specifically

listed as Moon.

 

I always enjoy checking significators and karakas... Often find when I miss

something in a blind chart it's usually something where I didn't know the

significator. Like recently could clearly see change of residence on a blind

chart... also lots of 8H stuff going on. The question was what had happened

on the specific day. It didn't feel from the chart to be a negative

experience and I could only think then winning, a gift or inheritance from a

relative, hmm then had to guess 'win a house', 'gift of a house'. It turned

out they had entered escrow on a house. Escrow is also significator for 8H !

 

Best wishes,

Patrice

 

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Hi Patrice,

 

Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good sense

to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well.

 

Christopher

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Chris and All,

 

Pet animals are under the jurisdiction of 6th house, as you said,

and the planetary significators are (to the best of my knowledge)

Sun for cats (some say Mars), Mercury for dogs, whilst Jupiter is

the significator for horses.

 

Rgds, Wendy

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valist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill>

wrote:

> Hi Patrice,

>

> Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make

good sense

> to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as

well.

>

> Christopher

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> --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry@c...> wrote:

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> > Hi Dear Rhoda,

> >

> > Love of animals in my significator book is listed as: Moon and

Virgo.

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> > Best wishes,

> > Patrice

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> > dear list,

> >

> > the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of

importance to

> > the

> > well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could

> > exchange

> > places with them.most often these people give preference to

animal well

> > being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a

history of

> > violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets.

where

> > does

> > one look for such qualities in the chart?

> >

> > is it mostly pyschological?

> >

> > is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the

native

> > feels

> > better thinking of himself living an animal life?

> >

> > looking for answers

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> > best wishes

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So the book is western or vedic?

 

 

--- Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote:

 

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> Hi Christopher,

>

> How are you doing? Yes, 6H definitely included. I was interested in

> offering

> what this book of significators said as well specifically for 'Love of

> Animals". I use this book a lot and like it. It's 'Dictionary of

> Significators in Astrology" by Taneja and Sarna. They also list Mercury

> under 'animals in general'. There are quite a few more specific ones

> given

> in this book depending on what specific/type of animal....

>

> I had also been told in the past to look to Mars for animals/pets but

> don't

> see it really as a significator here except for wild animals. Under dogs

> specifically, they mention what you've said, "Mercury, 6H, Virgo." Pet

> dogs:

> "Moon, Mars, 6H". I have also been told Ketu can also indicate for dogs

> as

> well. Street dogs listed as "Saturn".

>

> Along what you've said also Chris, "Animal Trainers - Mercury, Virgo".

>

> Separately from animals, Rhoda did mention bees as well, 'bees'

> specifically

> listed as Moon.

>

> I always enjoy checking significators and karakas... Often find when I

> miss

> something in a blind chart it's usually something where I didn't know

> the

> significator. Like recently could clearly see change of residence on a

> blind

> chart... also lots of 8H stuff going on. The question was what had

> happened

> on the specific day. It didn't feel from the chart to be a negative

> experience and I could only think then winning, a gift or inheritance

> from a

> relative, hmm then had to guess 'win a house', 'gift of a house'. It

> turned

> out they had entered escrow on a house. Escrow is also significator for

> 8H !

>

> Best wishes,

> Patrice

>

> ________

> Hi Patrice,

>

> Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good

> sense

> to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well.

>

> Christopher

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>Hi Patrice,

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>Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good sense

>to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well.

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Chris and Patrice,

 

I agree, Mercury and 6th lord are good significators for pets in

general If you have pets, keep an eye on them the next time Mars or

Saturn transit the natal Mercury or 6th lord.

Moon in Cancer and Pisces are also good for having pets. Moon in Cancer

especially needs someone to nurture or take care of. If a Cancer Moon

doesn't have children, then very often they have pets.

 

I know one of the top animal communicatiors. She has a Cancer Moon with

Taurus lagna and Sun, Mercury and Venus in Taurus. Here, Mercury, lord

of 2nd house of speech, associates in a favorable way with 6th lord

Venus. Feminine planets are also helpful for nurturing and sensitivity--

she has a Mahabhagya yoga with Sun, Moon and lagna in feminine signs and

added to that lagnesh also in a feminine sign. Mahabhagya isn't quite

fulfilled here in that for women, the birth should be at night-this most

likely to add another feminine component.

I've found that women with male signs strong also like pets and that

they are more likely to have dogs rather than cats.

 

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

 

 

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Hi Chris and All,

 

The book is published in New Delhi. I understand your question as I too was

surprised to see the outer planets included. It is a Vedic astrology book,

but does include the outer planets... The authors, PK Sarna is quoted to be

....well versed in Nadi and KP system of astrology and well renowned

astrologer. Also a Gem/Color Therapist and has shown the use of prasna chart

on TV with the other author Umang taneja.

 

Taneja is editor of the magazine "Predictive Astrology", and propounds Nadi

Astrology and runs "unique and only school of this branch of science in the

world." He also has authored the Nadi Astrology book, "Accurate Predictive

Methodology" and teaches around the world with correspondence courses.

 

This info is from the back of the book. I've used this book now for years

and find it really good and often gives me more specific information and

will list further significators in some cases that I've not come across but

have proved to work in my studies.

 

At the same time I ordered it, they sent me another book to check out which

I've kept as well but only recently have been looking at more. It too is

from Delhi and is published by Manorama Occult Publications. He went to

Hindu University and did research into astrology from classical literature.

Interestingly he too includes the outer planets in his book as well. He also

includes the nakshatras. Second book title is, "Significators in Astrology",

by Shiv Kumar Chadha.

 

Peace,

Patrice

 

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Dear Steve and List,

 

Thanks Steve for your post and sharing the placements of the animal

communicator, interesting.. It would be great to see her whole chart if she

allows you to share it.

 

Peace,

Patrice

 

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Chris and Patrice,

 

I agree, Mercury and 6th lord are good significators for pets in

general If you have pets, keep an eye on them the next time Mars or

Saturn transit the natal Mercury or 6th lord.

Moon in Cancer and Pisces are also good for having pets. Moon in Cancer

especially needs someone to nurture or take care of. If a Cancer Moon

doesn't have children, then very often they have pets.

 

I know one of the top animal communicatiors. She has a Cancer Moon with

Taurus lagna and Sun, Mercury and Venus in Taurus. Here, Mercury, lord

of 2nd house of speech, associates in a favorable way with 6th lord

Venus. Feminine planets are also helpful for nurturing and sensitivity--

she has a Mahabhagya yoga with Sun, Moon and lagna in feminine signs and

added to that lagnesh also in a feminine sign. Mahabhagya isn't quite

fulfilled here in that for women, the birth should be at night-this most

likely to add another feminine component.

I've found that women with male signs strong also like pets and that

they are more likely to have dogs rather than cats.

 

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

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Thanks Patrice. Sounds like a winner.

 

I wonder if they reference the sources for these significators. You can

go into various software programs and they are listed but one never knows

where they've dropped from the sky. I guess like all things in astrology,

it's a good starting point but one has to check it out for oneself.

 

Chris

 

 

--- Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote:

 

>

> Hi Chris and All,

>

> The book is published in New Delhi. I understand your question as I too

> was

> surprised to see the outer planets included. It is a Vedic astrology

> book,

> but does include the outer planets... The authors, PK Sarna is quoted to

> be

> ...well versed in Nadi and KP system of astrology and well renowned

> astrologer. Also a Gem/Color Therapist and has shown the use of prasna

> chart

> on TV with the other author Umang taneja.

>

> Taneja is editor of the magazine "Predictive Astrology", and propounds

> Nadi

> Astrology and runs "unique and only school of this branch of science in

> the

> world." He also has authored the Nadi Astrology book, "Accurate

> Predictive

> Methodology" and teaches around the world with correspondence courses.

>

> This info is from the back of the book. I've used this book now for

> years

> and find it really good and often gives me more specific information and

> will list further significators in some cases that I've not come across

> but

> have proved to work in my studies.

>

> At the same time I ordered it, they sent me another book to check out

> which

> I've kept as well but only recently have been looking at more. It too is

> from Delhi and is published by Manorama Occult Publications. He went to

> Hindu University and did research into astrology from classical

> literature.

> Interestingly he too includes the outer planets in his book as well. He

> also

> includes the nakshatras. Second book title is, "Significators in

> Astrology",

> by Shiv Kumar Chadha.

>

> Peace,

> Patrice

>

> ________

> So the book is western or vedic?

>

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Hi Dear Chris,

 

The second book I mentioned does give sources for the significators

listed. - 'Significators in Astrology', by Shiv Kumar Chadha.

 

It's an interesting book with a lot of information and goes into more things

a bit as well. As I said, I'm only now getting to it. I have taken my

nakshatra significators from other sources and will have to see if these

correlate with those as well while in actual practice giving this book some

use. In some specific significations it lists only a nakshatra and sometimes

makes the distinction of the specific quarter of the asterism.

 

The first book, 'Dictionary of Significators in Astrology' doesn't give

specific sources on each significator. - This is the one I've really learned

so much from and used fully. In cross checking the two recently, the

significators seem to match in both books.

 

Yep, agree one has to check for oneself. As well as learning via life

experiences of ourselves and those we love and care for, friends, etc...

then via what is reflected in the chart to understand it deeply. I will need

to take this learning into the next life to actually 'get it' at a young

age..

 

Along these lines, why do you think Mercury is given for animals? I've been

told why Mars and most the others are also clear in their respective cases,

larger animals - Jupiter, etc..... why Mercury for animals in general?

 

Peace,

Patrice

________

Thanks Patrice. Sounds like a winner.

 

I wonder if they reference the sources for these significators. You can

go into various software programs and they are listed but one never knows

where they've dropped from the sky. I guess like all things in astrology,

it's a good starting point but one has to check it out for oneself.

 

Chris

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Dear Patrice,

 

I think Mercury may be used for animals for the same reason it is the

significator for friends: it is changeable and yet a benefic.

 

The 6th is used perhaps because it is associated with servants, so the

analogy of dogs would be apt here.

 

Chris

 

 

--- Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote:

 

>

> Hi Dear Chris,

>

> The second book I mentioned does give sources for the significators

> listed. - 'Significators in Astrology', by Shiv Kumar Chadha.

>

> It's an interesting book with a lot of information and goes into more

> things

> a bit as well. As I said, I'm only now getting to it. I have taken my

> nakshatra significators from other sources and will have to see if these

> correlate with those as well while in actual practice giving this book

> some

> use. In some specific significations it lists only a nakshatra and

> sometimes

> makes the distinction of the specific quarter of the asterism.

>

> The first book, 'Dictionary of Significators in Astrology' doesn't give

> specific sources on each significator. - This is the one I've really

> learned

> so much from and used fully. In cross checking the two recently, the

> significators seem to match in both books.

>

> Yep, agree one has to check for oneself. As well as learning via life

> experiences of ourselves and those we love and care for, friends, etc...

> then via what is reflected in the chart to understand it deeply. I will

> need

> to take this learning into the next life to actually 'get it' at a young

> age..

>

> Along these lines, why do you think Mercury is given for animals? I've

> been

> told why Mars and most the others are also clear in their respective

> cases,

> larger animals - Jupiter, etc..... why Mercury for animals in general?

>

> Peace,

> Patrice

> ________

> Thanks Patrice. Sounds like a winner.

>

> I wonder if they reference the sources for these significators. You can

> go into various software programs and they are listed but one never

> knows

> where they've dropped from the sky. I guess like all things in

> astrology,

> it's a good starting point but one has to check it out for oneself.

>

> Chris

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Patrice Curry wrote:

 

>Dear Steve and List,

>

>Thanks Steve for your post and sharing the placements of the animal

>communicator, interesting.. It would be great to see her whole chart if she

>allows you to share it.

>

>

>

>

 

Hi Patrice,

 

Sorry I don't have the permission to share the data.

 

However I do have a very touching story to share about an animal

communication.

 

My friend was once asked if she could help locate a pet salamander. This

was done by telephone conversation. The owners of the salamander had let

it out of its cage and into their fenced back yard. The salamander

managed to escape somehow and the owners were very anxious to get it back

When focusing on the salamander, my friend saw a picture of a space

between two buildings with a garbage can and a view of a swimming pool.

After describing this scene to the owners on the phone,

the female owner went immediately to the side of their house, next to

the garbage can, in view of the pool and found their pet.

After the salamander was put back in its cage, my friend the

communicator continued to get impressions of fish swimming in a tank and

books. The owners said that the cage was on a table next to their

aquarium , which in turn was by the bookcase.

Next, my friend felt an overwhelming sense of sadness as she saw a room

with a little boy in it

that was in view from where the salamanders cage was placed. She asked

the owners about this and they told her the room belonged to their son

and they used to keep the salamander in their sons room.

 

She told them that the reason the salamander ran away was that it missed

being in the room with their son and was very unhappy all by itself on

the table in the dining room. The owners naturally rectified this by

putting their little pet back in the boy's room.

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

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> She told them that the reason the salamander ran away was that it missed

> being in the room with their son and was very unhappy all by itself on

> the table in the dining room. The owners naturally rectified this by

> putting their little pet back in the boy's room.

 

Animals have SO much feelings. Nobody should ever doubt that. They are full

of feelings like happiness, love, anxiety, depression, etc.

 

Slaughterhouse farms, where kin are taken to never return, are places of

great depression. Therefore, the mechanization is what's bad. Killing for

meat should ideally be random and occasional, so as not to fully ruin those

animals outlook on life.

 

Just spend time with any animal, real time and real attention, and this fact

of their feeling-ness will be seen. Even little ones have full feelings.

 

My little cockatiels exhibit the full range of emotions quite clearly, even

though they have such little brains that I call one of them "flathead".

 

Humans are special, but not because of emotions. Animals have emotions.

Period.

 

Important topic to me. Thanks for listening.

 

 

 

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Here's a quote from the Sanketa Nidhi:

 

" Sixth is also the house of animals. All good and bad about pet animals

belonging to the native should be considered from this house".

 

 

A quote from Phaladeepika on significations of Mercury:

 

"Mercury represents a cowherd, a learned man, an accountant or an

astrologer, a devotee of Vishnu, Garuda, a Chataka bird, a parrot and a

cat."

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

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places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well

being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of

violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where does

one look for such qualities in the chart?

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> is it mostly pyschological?

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> is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native feels

better

thinking of himself living an animal life?

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> looking for answers

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> best wishes

> dear rhoda,

> i believe the astrological principle that most comprehensively reflects your

query lies in appreciating h6 as 12th to h7(to the loss of).

certainly mercury and virgo should be seen....

however, in an attempt to address my perception of the essence of your

question...relating to a percieved extremity/imbalance... i would look also to

venus.

psychologically speaking and to generalize...

i submit the fundamental dynamic relates to human vulnerability

not surprisingly we find those sensitives realizing thier human need for

unconditional love in relation to gods beautiful creatures other than human...

sincerely, david

 

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