Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 dear list, the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to the well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could exchange places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where does one look for such qualities in the chart? is it mostly pyschological? is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native feels better thinking of himself living an animal life? looking for answers best wishes Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Hello dear Rhoda, Hare Krishna. Beside the affliction to the Sun, Moon and/or Mercury, the sign/house four and five and the planets occupying therein, if any, can give that type of behaviour mentioned in your querry. Hari BOL. With my best wishes................Amar Puri. >Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10 >valist >valist >love for animals >Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:20:22 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >dear list, > >the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to the >well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could exchange >places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well >being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of >violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where does >one look for such qualities in the chart? > >is it mostly pyschological? > >is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native feels >better thinking of himself living an animal life? > >looking for answers > >best wishes > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Hi Rhoda, Conventional wisdom has the 6th house and Mercury as karakas for pets. I haven't tested this in practice but those might be good starting points. Having the 6th and its ruler and Mercury connected to personal points such as the Asc, lagnesh, Sun and Moon may create an animal and pet lover. Chris --- fas fas <foreignersassistance wrote: > > Hello dear Rhoda, > > Hare Krishna. > > Beside the affliction to the Sun, Moon and/or Mercury, the sign/house > four > and five and the planets occupying therein, if any, can give that type > of > behaviour mentioned in your querry. > > Hari BOL. > > With my best wishes................Amar Puri. > > >Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10 > >valist > >valist > >love for animals > >Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:20:22 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > >dear list, > > > >the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to > the > >well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could > exchange > >places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well > > >being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of > > >violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where > does > >one look for such qualities in the chart? > > > >is it mostly pyschological? > > > >is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native > feels > >better thinking of himself living an animal life? > > > >looking for answers > > > >best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Dear all - I believe it is the 3rd house that deals with "keeping pets". Best regards Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I thought it was the 6th house for domestic pets and 12th for farm animals? Respectfully, Juliana --- Tanvir <ultimate wrote: > > Dear all - > > I believe it is the 3rd house that deals with > "keeping pets". > > Best regards > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Hi Dear Rhoda, Love of animals in my significator book is listed as: Moon and Virgo. Best wishes, Patrice _____________ dear list, the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to the well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could exchange places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where does one look for such qualities in the chart? is it mostly pyschological? is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native feels better thinking of himself living an animal life? looking for answers best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Hi Patrice, Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good sense to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well. Christopher --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote: > > Hi Dear Rhoda, > > Love of animals in my significator book is listed as: Moon and Virgo. > > Best wishes, > Patrice > > _____________ > dear list, > > the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to > the > well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could > exchange > places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well > being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of > violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where > does > one look for such qualities in the chart? > > is it mostly pyschological? > > is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native > feels > better thinking of himself living an animal life? > > looking for answers > > best wishes > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Hi Christopher, How are you doing? Yes, 6H definitely included. I was interested in offering what this book of significators said as well specifically for 'Love of Animals". I use this book a lot and like it. It's 'Dictionary of Significators in Astrology" by Taneja and Sarna. They also list Mercury under 'animals in general'. There are quite a few more specific ones given in this book depending on what specific/type of animal.... I had also been told in the past to look to Mars for animals/pets but don't see it really as a significator here except for wild animals. Under dogs specifically, they mention what you've said, "Mercury, 6H, Virgo." Pet dogs: "Moon, Mars, 6H". I have also been told Ketu can also indicate for dogs as well. Street dogs listed as "Saturn". Along what you've said also Chris, "Animal Trainers - Mercury, Virgo". Separately from animals, Rhoda did mention bees as well, 'bees' specifically listed as Moon. I always enjoy checking significators and karakas... Often find when I miss something in a blind chart it's usually something where I didn't know the significator. Like recently could clearly see change of residence on a blind chart... also lots of 8H stuff going on. The question was what had happened on the specific day. It didn't feel from the chart to be a negative experience and I could only think then winning, a gift or inheritance from a relative, hmm then had to guess 'win a house', 'gift of a house'. It turned out they had entered escrow on a house. Escrow is also significator for 8H ! Best wishes, Patrice ________ Hi Patrice, Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good sense to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well. Christopher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Chris and All, Pet animals are under the jurisdiction of 6th house, as you said, and the planetary significators are (to the best of my knowledge) Sun for cats (some say Mars), Mercury for dogs, whilst Jupiter is the significator for horses. Rgds, Wendy ____________________________ valist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill> wrote: > Hi Patrice, > > Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good sense > to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well. > > Christopher > > > --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry@c...> wrote: > > > > > Hi Dear Rhoda, > > > > Love of animals in my significator book is listed as: Moon and Virgo. > > > > Best wishes, > > Patrice > > > > _____________ > > dear list, > > > > the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to > > the > > well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could > > exchange > > places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well > > being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of > > violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where > > does > > one look for such qualities in the chart? > > > > is it mostly pyschological? > > > > is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native > > feels > > better thinking of himself living an animal life? > > > > looking for answers > > > > best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 So the book is western or vedic? --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote: > > Hi Christopher, > > How are you doing? Yes, 6H definitely included. I was interested in > offering > what this book of significators said as well specifically for 'Love of > Animals". I use this book a lot and like it. It's 'Dictionary of > Significators in Astrology" by Taneja and Sarna. They also list Mercury > under 'animals in general'. There are quite a few more specific ones > given > in this book depending on what specific/type of animal.... > > I had also been told in the past to look to Mars for animals/pets but > don't > see it really as a significator here except for wild animals. Under dogs > specifically, they mention what you've said, "Mercury, 6H, Virgo." Pet > dogs: > "Moon, Mars, 6H". I have also been told Ketu can also indicate for dogs > as > well. Street dogs listed as "Saturn". > > Along what you've said also Chris, "Animal Trainers - Mercury, Virgo". > > Separately from animals, Rhoda did mention bees as well, 'bees' > specifically > listed as Moon. > > I always enjoy checking significators and karakas... Often find when I > miss > something in a blind chart it's usually something where I didn't know > the > significator. Like recently could clearly see change of residence on a > blind > chart... also lots of 8H stuff going on. The question was what had > happened > on the specific day. It didn't feel from the chart to be a negative > experience and I could only think then winning, a gift or inheritance > from a > relative, hmm then had to guess 'win a house', 'gift of a house'. It > turned > out they had entered escrow on a house. Escrow is also significator for > 8H ! > > Best wishes, > Patrice > > ________ > Hi Patrice, > > Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good > sense > to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well. > > Christopher > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Christopher Kevill wrote: >Hi Patrice, > >Can I ask which significator book you're using here? Both make good sense >to me, although I think Mercury and the 6th might be included as well. > > > Chris and Patrice, I agree, Mercury and 6th lord are good significators for pets in general If you have pets, keep an eye on them the next time Mars or Saturn transit the natal Mercury or 6th lord. Moon in Cancer and Pisces are also good for having pets. Moon in Cancer especially needs someone to nurture or take care of. If a Cancer Moon doesn't have children, then very often they have pets. I know one of the top animal communicatiors. She has a Cancer Moon with Taurus lagna and Sun, Mercury and Venus in Taurus. Here, Mercury, lord of 2nd house of speech, associates in a favorable way with 6th lord Venus. Feminine planets are also helpful for nurturing and sensitivity-- she has a Mahabhagya yoga with Sun, Moon and lagna in feminine signs and added to that lagnesh also in a feminine sign. Mahabhagya isn't quite fulfilled here in that for women, the birth should be at night-this most likely to add another feminine component. I've found that women with male signs strong also like pets and that they are more likely to have dogs rather than cats. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Say with something like a Scottish accent: Here on the grassy hills, doing the charts of sheepshaggers, I've noticed they have Saturn and Lord of Sixth in 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Hi Chris and All, The book is published in New Delhi. I understand your question as I too was surprised to see the outer planets included. It is a Vedic astrology book, but does include the outer planets... The authors, PK Sarna is quoted to be ....well versed in Nadi and KP system of astrology and well renowned astrologer. Also a Gem/Color Therapist and has shown the use of prasna chart on TV with the other author Umang taneja. Taneja is editor of the magazine "Predictive Astrology", and propounds Nadi Astrology and runs "unique and only school of this branch of science in the world." He also has authored the Nadi Astrology book, "Accurate Predictive Methodology" and teaches around the world with correspondence courses. This info is from the back of the book. I've used this book now for years and find it really good and often gives me more specific information and will list further significators in some cases that I've not come across but have proved to work in my studies. At the same time I ordered it, they sent me another book to check out which I've kept as well but only recently have been looking at more. It too is from Delhi and is published by Manorama Occult Publications. He went to Hindu University and did research into astrology from classical literature. Interestingly he too includes the outer planets in his book as well. He also includes the nakshatras. Second book title is, "Significators in Astrology", by Shiv Kumar Chadha. Peace, Patrice ________ So the book is western or vedic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Dear Steve and List, Thanks Steve for your post and sharing the placements of the animal communicator, interesting.. It would be great to see her whole chart if she allows you to share it. Peace, Patrice __________ Chris and Patrice, I agree, Mercury and 6th lord are good significators for pets in general If you have pets, keep an eye on them the next time Mars or Saturn transit the natal Mercury or 6th lord. Moon in Cancer and Pisces are also good for having pets. Moon in Cancer especially needs someone to nurture or take care of. If a Cancer Moon doesn't have children, then very often they have pets. I know one of the top animal communicatiors. She has a Cancer Moon with Taurus lagna and Sun, Mercury and Venus in Taurus. Here, Mercury, lord of 2nd house of speech, associates in a favorable way with 6th lord Venus. Feminine planets are also helpful for nurturing and sensitivity-- she has a Mahabhagya yoga with Sun, Moon and lagna in feminine signs and added to that lagnesh also in a feminine sign. Mahabhagya isn't quite fulfilled here in that for women, the birth should be at night-this most likely to add another feminine component. I've found that women with male signs strong also like pets and that they are more likely to have dogs rather than cats. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Thanks Patrice. Sounds like a winner. I wonder if they reference the sources for these significators. You can go into various software programs and they are listed but one never knows where they've dropped from the sky. I guess like all things in astrology, it's a good starting point but one has to check it out for oneself. Chris --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote: > > Hi Chris and All, > > The book is published in New Delhi. I understand your question as I too > was > surprised to see the outer planets included. It is a Vedic astrology > book, > but does include the outer planets... The authors, PK Sarna is quoted to > be > ...well versed in Nadi and KP system of astrology and well renowned > astrologer. Also a Gem/Color Therapist and has shown the use of prasna > chart > on TV with the other author Umang taneja. > > Taneja is editor of the magazine "Predictive Astrology", and propounds > Nadi > Astrology and runs "unique and only school of this branch of science in > the > world." He also has authored the Nadi Astrology book, "Accurate > Predictive > Methodology" and teaches around the world with correspondence courses. > > This info is from the back of the book. I've used this book now for > years > and find it really good and often gives me more specific information and > will list further significators in some cases that I've not come across > but > have proved to work in my studies. > > At the same time I ordered it, they sent me another book to check out > which > I've kept as well but only recently have been looking at more. It too is > from Delhi and is published by Manorama Occult Publications. He went to > Hindu University and did research into astrology from classical > literature. > Interestingly he too includes the outer planets in his book as well. He > also > includes the nakshatras. Second book title is, "Significators in > Astrology", > by Shiv Kumar Chadha. > > Peace, > Patrice > > ________ > So the book is western or vedic? > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Hi Dear Chris, The second book I mentioned does give sources for the significators listed. - 'Significators in Astrology', by Shiv Kumar Chadha. It's an interesting book with a lot of information and goes into more things a bit as well. As I said, I'm only now getting to it. I have taken my nakshatra significators from other sources and will have to see if these correlate with those as well while in actual practice giving this book some use. In some specific significations it lists only a nakshatra and sometimes makes the distinction of the specific quarter of the asterism. The first book, 'Dictionary of Significators in Astrology' doesn't give specific sources on each significator. - This is the one I've really learned so much from and used fully. In cross checking the two recently, the significators seem to match in both books. Yep, agree one has to check for oneself. As well as learning via life experiences of ourselves and those we love and care for, friends, etc... then via what is reflected in the chart to understand it deeply. I will need to take this learning into the next life to actually 'get it' at a young age.. Along these lines, why do you think Mercury is given for animals? I've been told why Mars and most the others are also clear in their respective cases, larger animals - Jupiter, etc..... why Mercury for animals in general? Peace, Patrice ________ Thanks Patrice. Sounds like a winner. I wonder if they reference the sources for these significators. You can go into various software programs and they are listed but one never knows where they've dropped from the sky. I guess like all things in astrology, it's a good starting point but one has to check it out for oneself. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Dear Patrice, I think Mercury may be used for animals for the same reason it is the significator for friends: it is changeable and yet a benefic. The 6th is used perhaps because it is associated with servants, so the analogy of dogs would be apt here. Chris --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote: > > Hi Dear Chris, > > The second book I mentioned does give sources for the significators > listed. - 'Significators in Astrology', by Shiv Kumar Chadha. > > It's an interesting book with a lot of information and goes into more > things > a bit as well. As I said, I'm only now getting to it. I have taken my > nakshatra significators from other sources and will have to see if these > correlate with those as well while in actual practice giving this book > some > use. In some specific significations it lists only a nakshatra and > sometimes > makes the distinction of the specific quarter of the asterism. > > The first book, 'Dictionary of Significators in Astrology' doesn't give > specific sources on each significator. - This is the one I've really > learned > so much from and used fully. In cross checking the two recently, the > significators seem to match in both books. > > Yep, agree one has to check for oneself. As well as learning via life > experiences of ourselves and those we love and care for, friends, etc... > then via what is reflected in the chart to understand it deeply. I will > need > to take this learning into the next life to actually 'get it' at a young > age.. > > Along these lines, why do you think Mercury is given for animals? I've > been > told why Mars and most the others are also clear in their respective > cases, > larger animals - Jupiter, etc..... why Mercury for animals in general? > > Peace, > Patrice > ________ > Thanks Patrice. Sounds like a winner. > > I wonder if they reference the sources for these significators. You can > go into various software programs and they are listed but one never > knows > where they've dropped from the sky. I guess like all things in > astrology, > it's a good starting point but one has to check it out for oneself. > > Chris > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Patrice Curry wrote: >Dear Steve and List, > >Thanks Steve for your post and sharing the placements of the animal >communicator, interesting.. It would be great to see her whole chart if she >allows you to share it. > > > > Hi Patrice, Sorry I don't have the permission to share the data. However I do have a very touching story to share about an animal communication. My friend was once asked if she could help locate a pet salamander. This was done by telephone conversation. The owners of the salamander had let it out of its cage and into their fenced back yard. The salamander managed to escape somehow and the owners were very anxious to get it back When focusing on the salamander, my friend saw a picture of a space between two buildings with a garbage can and a view of a swimming pool. After describing this scene to the owners on the phone, the female owner went immediately to the side of their house, next to the garbage can, in view of the pool and found their pet. After the salamander was put back in its cage, my friend the communicator continued to get impressions of fish swimming in a tank and books. The owners said that the cage was on a table next to their aquarium , which in turn was by the bookcase. Next, my friend felt an overwhelming sense of sadness as she saw a room with a little boy in it that was in view from where the salamanders cage was placed. She asked the owners about this and they told her the room belonged to their son and they used to keep the salamander in their sons room. She told them that the reason the salamander ran away was that it missed being in the room with their son and was very unhappy all by itself on the table in the dining room. The owners naturally rectified this by putting their little pet back in the boy's room. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 > She told them that the reason the salamander ran away was that it missed > being in the room with their son and was very unhappy all by itself on > the table in the dining room. The owners naturally rectified this by > putting their little pet back in the boy's room. Animals have SO much feelings. Nobody should ever doubt that. They are full of feelings like happiness, love, anxiety, depression, etc. Slaughterhouse farms, where kin are taken to never return, are places of great depression. Therefore, the mechanization is what's bad. Killing for meat should ideally be random and occasional, so as not to fully ruin those animals outlook on life. Just spend time with any animal, real time and real attention, and this fact of their feeling-ness will be seen. Even little ones have full feelings. My little cockatiels exhibit the full range of emotions quite clearly, even though they have such little brains that I call one of them "flathead". Humans are special, but not because of emotions. Animals have emotions. Period. Important topic to me. Thanks for listening. Das Goravani, Pres. Service http://www.dancingmooninc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Here's a quote from the Sanketa Nidhi: " Sixth is also the house of animals. All good and bad about pet animals belonging to the native should be considered from this house". A quote from Phaladeepika on significations of Mercury: "Mercury represents a cowherd, a learned man, an accountant or an astrologer, a devotee of Vishnu, Garuda, a Chataka bird, a parrot and a cat." Best, Steve > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 valist, Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10> wrote: > > > > dear list, > > the question on my mind is about people who give a lot of importance to the well being of animals, birds and bees.they almost wish they could exchange places with them.most often these people give preference to animal well being than their own kith and kin.i have known people with a history of violence , but who are very gentle when it comes to their pets. where does one look for such qualities in the chart? > > is it mostly pyschological? > > is it karmically not a good idea for soul evolvement, as the native feels better thinking of himself living an animal life? > > looking for answers > > best wishes > dear rhoda, > i believe the astrological principle that most comprehensively reflects your query lies in appreciating h6 as 12th to h7(to the loss of). certainly mercury and virgo should be seen.... however, in an attempt to address my perception of the essence of your question...relating to a percieved extremity/imbalance... i would look also to venus. psychologically speaking and to generalize... i submit the fundamental dynamic relates to human vulnerability not surprisingly we find those sensitives realizing thier human need for unconditional love in relation to gods beautiful creatures other than human... sincerely, david > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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