Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 And Sri Lanka`s Lankapati Ravan`s maternal G`father ( nanaji) was Somali ( Somalia-east Africa ) who had 2 brothers, Mali ( west Africa ) & Malyavan ( Malasia )Usually kings bore the names of their kingdom. Bali was also a great Demon king. This might point towards Vedic influence in the southern regions. Hari Om Shabnam -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: fas fas [foreignersassistance] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 02:40 An: valist Betreff: Re: Swastika Usage Today w/ Link Dear List, Hare Krishna. As it appears that according to language research Sanskrit belongs to a class of families called "Indo-European". Yes, this statement is further confirmed in the Vedic Literature that Maharaja Prikshit sent his two sons to the region today's known as Rome and eastern Europe to rule that part of the world. As I said in my eamil elsewhere that there is a possibility based on these evidance talked about that the Celts and others were no doubt part of the Yadu Dynesty, perhaps. More so, there are certain words of Sanskrit, I remember, which are well known in todays' world such as VESTRY Christian uses this word which means a room of holy clothes in a Church and in a Sanskrit it is called VESTRA i.e. clothes. The name of Vatican in Rome reminds very similar to the name in Sanskrit called Vatica which means a place of Dharma, religious place of worship. Another, very famous name of the place is Jerusalem also written as Yadusailam or Yerushalayiam in Sanskrit it is known as Yadu-Ishalayam which means the Temple of Lord of YADU - Krishana's clan. However one may perceive all these, one thing is certain that we are part and parcel of this cosmic manifestation wondering in a different colors (White, Off white, yellow, golden, Brownish, all types of colours) of space suit made out of the five gross material elements on this Planet Earth accepting and identifying with it to be our real selves not knowing and realizing who we really are, what is the purpose of our wondering on this planet earth, and yet we are all debating who wore first the space suit made out of the five gross elements of the Universe on this planet earth. The mundane reasearch can not give all these answers. The answer must come from the Creator HIMSELF or through HIS instructions. These instructions are coming down to us in different Languages according to the time and place. We are all in search of looking for these instructions according to our individual mode of material nature. Even though the instructions may very well be in front of us, we can not recoganize or refuse to recoganize. I sincerely hope that one day we all can find the answers and go back where we came from. With best wishes................Amar Puri. >Christian.Grosche >valist >valist >Re: Swastika Usage Today w/ Link >Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:09:30 +0100 > > > >Well, I would to add some remarks about culture spreading. > >According to language research Sanskrit belongs to a class of families >called "Indo-European". Almost all European languages belong to this >family, and also of course, Celtic. >The origin of Indo-Europeans is due to recent research located in the >Turkey-Caucasian area. >This result is also backed up by genetics. >Due ti a Russian-Israelin research Indo-European orginated from an even >larger class of Language-families called "Nostratic". To this super >family belong Indo-European, Darwidian (Tamil belong to that) and teh >group of Arabic-Hebrew-North-African languages (Hannibal spoke that). >The location of this people is supposed to be in an Area of the today >Iraq/Iran. >For me this means that all these people orginated from somewhere in the >near-middle east. Note also that the grain wheat comes from there (as a >furtile bastard of two common grass species there!). And our basis of >culture too. After separation of the peoples different culture evolved, >and I agree about exchange of knowledge, religion, etc. Some people even >say that the Indian Buddhas wear Greek togas. >Even the idea of such a far-in-past connection of all of us I consider >as very very faszinating! >Think of the myths connecting with that, the Tower of Babel and the >spreading of the people into the world. >In contrast to the Indian the Europeans however, have lost many >traditions of the past due to Christianity, and I think that only just >traces are left in our European culture. > >Cheers Christian > >Am So, 2005-02-06 um 14.53 schrieb Das Goravani: > > Well, the total believers for Vedic culture and deities are chiming in >and > > stating that Vedic culture was everywhere and that Vedic deities are the > > most primordial. > > > > I've come to dislike totalitarian statements from religious faithful (I > > know, I used to do it), but I must admit, no religion has so much the >right > > to act that way as Vedic does, with it's antiquity and breadth. Very >hard to > > beat! Unbeatable! > > > > True, being material, all things in this world had to have a beginning, > > including the human race- it had to either have been > > > > 1. dropped off by spaceship > > 2. Manifest in one place then spread > > 3. Manifest in many places similarly > > > > We don't seem to know which it is at this time, or if we do, we're not > > telling each other clearly enough for all to get it yet. > > > > The swastika- seems particular enough to not just auto pop up in exactly >the > > same form all over the world, so one tends to think it spread from > > somewhere. It's also easy to draw, looks nice, and looks cool, >attractive, > > so, if it were shown, it would tend to stick, hence one traveling >Brahmin > > 3000 years ago in Europe is all it would take for it's introduction and > > eventual wide spread there- wouldn't take much. For example, the >triskalian, > > the 3 pointed star so popular in Celtic art, is popping up on everything >now > > in America, because it LOOKS COOL and for no other reason. > > > > There are no findings of elephant heads on anything in Europe. Period. I > > haven't seen an elephant head on ANYTHING found in ALL of Europe from > > ancient times in archaeological books, but you do find other similar >things, > > like Goat's heads on a human body, in other words, you find animals >native > > to the place as being deity parts. > > > > There certainly could have been one huge kingdom- even Rome controlled > > government in all of Europe, and much of Asia in it's day, and Greece >had a > > huge empire at one point. It's certainly believable that before >recorded > > history, and before remembered history, India too had it's time in >ruling > > the world, more or less. > > > > When I see, as I have, the very very dark people of South India and >Africa, > > and the very very white people of Denmark, I'm struck as to how these >two > > could evolve from one, but it is possible, and conceivable. It's also > > possible that they came from on the one hand the same original stock, >and > > then on the other hand got input of DNA from outside sources, alien >sources, > > or that various demigods started their own "downlines" on Earth. We >don¹t > > know. > > > > Of all the creation tales from various cultures I've heard, the Vedic >one is > > the most complete, well documented and even believeable. Some are very >vague > > in comparison, and some, like Irish, don't have a creation tale at all. >Of > > course, the Irish and Celts have to be forgiven this in the now because >in > > the "then" they were against writing, and what is preserved was done so >by > > outsiders moreso. The true ancient Celtic beliefs are unknown, and will > > remain so, it seems, like an extinct animal, they're gone. > > > > We do know that at the time Krishna and the Pandavas were purported to >have > > existed, say 5000 years ago, at that same time Egypt was thriving in >it's > > own way, which was very different from Vedic. We have archaeological >records > > of many other cultures existing at that time as well, all with differing > > cultures from Vedic- other Gods, other Rites and Rituals, other Dress, >other > > Alphabet, etc etc. So the world was not "one completely" 5000 years ago, > > certainly not. However, it is possible that there was a great >civilization > > holding sway and power over the others, that could be so. But for one >big > > Vedic culture with Sanskrit spoken worldwide and Vedic everything spread > > worldwide, there is no evidence of that other than the small pieces of > > evidence like the Swastika, and some Sanskrit words, other traces, to > > indicate exposure perhaps? Or, perhaps way out of sight, very long ago, > > there was that huge Vedic worldwide thing, and it's all melted away, > > perhaps. > > > > ???? > > > > I'm living in the question, rather than the answer. > > > > Rick > > Das > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Dear Shabnam and the list member, Hare Krishna. Very good points, dear Shabnam. Thanks for sharing it. There are so many things when one comes to know it. The Vedic culture exists eternally (time less). The Vedic life style means enternal (Sanatana) knowing and understanding one's own Sanatana Savroopa. We, living beings regardless of our shapes, colors, forms and genders etc. are all Sanatana as part and parcel of the Lord (Creator, our father known by one of HIS prominent name as Krishna, the Absolute Truth) is also Sanatana. So, we do have an intimate relationship with the Creator. That is what each and every one of us has to revivie our sanatana occupation / dharma through the Vedic Culture as recommended by instructions of the Creator which are available through Vedas and various other Books of instructions available according to one's own mental suitablity and desire as per the mode of nature. Thanks once again. Hari BOL. With my best wishes.................Amar Puri. >"Bioacoustics" <bioacoustics >valist ><valist> >AW: Swastika Usage Today w/ Link >Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:43:31 +0100 > > >And Sri Lanka`s Lankapati Ravan`s maternal G`father ( nanaji) was Somali ( >Somalia-east Africa ) who had 2 brothers, Mali ( west Africa ) & Malyavan >( Malasia )Usually kings bore the names of their kingdom. >Bali was also a great Demon king. This might point towards Vedic influence >in the southern regions. > >Hari Om > >Shabnam > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: fas fas [foreignersassistance] >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 02:40 >An: valist >Betreff: Re: Swastika Usage Today w/ Link > > > >Dear List, > >Hare Krishna. > >As it appears that according to language research Sanskrit belongs to a >class of families >called "Indo-European". Yes, this statement is further confirmed in the >Vedic Literature that Maharaja Prikshit sent his two sons to the region >today's known as Rome and eastern Europe to rule that part of the world. >As >I said in my eamil elsewhere that there is a possibility based on these >evidance talked about that the Celts and others were no doubt part of the >Yadu Dynesty, perhaps. More so, there are certain words of Sanskrit, I >remember, which are well known in todays' world such as VESTRY Christian >uses this word which means a room of holy clothes in a Church and in a >Sanskrit it is called VESTRA i.e. clothes. The name of Vatican in Rome >reminds very similar to the name in Sanskrit called Vatica which means a >place of Dharma, religious place of worship. Another, very famous name of >the place is Jerusalem also written as Yadusailam or Yerushalayiam in >Sanskrit it is known as Yadu-Ishalayam which means the Temple of Lord of >YADU - Krishana's clan. > >However one may perceive all these, one thing is certain that we are part >and parcel of this cosmic manifestation wondering in a different colors >(White, Off white, yellow, golden, Brownish, all types of colours) of >space >suit made out of the five gross material elements on this Planet Earth >accepting and identifying with it to be our real selves not knowing and >realizing who we really are, what is the purpose of our wondering on this >planet earth, and yet we are all debating who wore first the space suit >made >out of the five gross elements of the Universe on this planet earth. > >The mundane reasearch can not give all these answers. The answer must come >from the Creator HIMSELF or through HIS instructions. These instructions >are coming down to us in different Languages according to the time and >place. We are all in search of looking for these instructions according >to >our individual mode of material nature. Even though the instructions may >very well be in front of us, we can not recoganize or refuse to recoganize. > >I sincerely hope that one day we all can find the answers and go back where >we came from. > >With best wishes................Amar Puri. > > >Christian.Grosche > >valist > >valist > >Re: Swastika Usage Today w/ Link > >Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:09:30 +0100 > > > > > > > >Well, I would to add some remarks about culture spreading. > > > >According to language research Sanskrit belongs to a class of families > >called "Indo-European". Almost all European languages belong to this > >family, and also of course, Celtic. > >The origin of Indo-Europeans is due to recent research located in the > >Turkey-Caucasian area. > >This result is also backed up by genetics. > >Due ti a Russian-Israelin research Indo-European orginated from an even > >larger class of Language-families called "Nostratic". To this super > >family belong Indo-European, Darwidian (Tamil belong to that) and teh > >group of Arabic-Hebrew-North-African languages (Hannibal spoke that). > >The location of this people is supposed to be in an Area of the today > >Iraq/Iran. > >For me this means that all these people orginated from somewhere in the > >near-middle east. Note also that the grain wheat comes from there (as a > >furtile bastard of two common grass species there!). And our basis of > >culture too. After separation of the peoples different culture evolved, > >and I agree about exchange of knowledge, religion, etc. Some people even > >say that the Indian Buddhas wear Greek togas. > >Even the idea of such a far-in-past connection of all of us I consider > >as very very faszinating! > >Think of the myths connecting with that, the Tower of Babel and the > >spreading of the people into the world. > >In contrast to the Indian the Europeans however, have lost many > >traditions of the past due to Christianity, and I think that only just > >traces are left in our European culture. > > > >Cheers Christian > > > >Am So, 2005-02-06 um 14.53 schrieb Das Goravani: > > > Well, the total believers for Vedic culture and deities are chiming in > >and > > > stating that Vedic culture was everywhere and that Vedic deities are >the > > > most primordial. > > > > > > I've come to dislike totalitarian statements from religious faithful >(I > > > know, I used to do it), but I must admit, no religion has so much the > >right > > > to act that way as Vedic does, with it's antiquity and breadth. Very > >hard to > > > beat! Unbeatable! > > > > > > True, being material, all things in this world had to have a >beginning, > > > including the human race- it had to either have been > > > > > > 1. dropped off by spaceship > > > 2. Manifest in one place then spread > > > 3. Manifest in many places similarly > > > > > > We don't seem to know which it is at this time, or if we do, we're not > > > telling each other clearly enough for all to get it yet. > > > > > > The swastika- seems particular enough to not just auto pop up in >exactly > >the > > > same form all over the world, so one tends to think it spread from > > > somewhere. It's also easy to draw, looks nice, and looks cool, > >attractive, > > > so, if it were shown, it would tend to stick, hence one traveling > >Brahmin > > > 3000 years ago in Europe is all it would take for it's introduction >and > > > eventual wide spread there- wouldn't take much. For example, the > >triskalian, > > > the 3 pointed star so popular in Celtic art, is popping up on >everything > >now > > > in America, because it LOOKS COOL and for no other reason. > > > > > > There are no findings of elephant heads on anything in Europe. Period. >I > > > haven't seen an elephant head on ANYTHING found in ALL of Europe from > > > ancient times in archaeological books, but you do find other similar > >things, > > > like Goat's heads on a human body, in other words, you find animals > >native > > > to the place as being deity parts. > > > > > > There certainly could have been one huge kingdom- even Rome controlled > > > government in all of Europe, and much of Asia in it's day, and Greece > >had a > > > huge empire at one point. It's certainly believable that before > >recorded > > > history, and before remembered history, India too had it's time in > >ruling > > > the world, more or less. > > > > > > When I see, as I have, the very very dark people of South India and > >Africa, > > > and the very very white people of Denmark, I'm struck as to how these > >two > > > could evolve from one, but it is possible, and conceivable. It's also > > > possible that they came from on the one hand the same original stock, > >and > > > then on the other hand got input of DNA from outside sources, alien > >sources, > > > or that various demigods started their own "downlines" on Earth. We > >don¹t > > > know. > > > > > > Of all the creation tales from various cultures I've heard, the Vedic > >one is > > > the most complete, well documented and even believeable. Some are very > >vague > > > in comparison, and some, like Irish, don't have a creation tale at >all. > >Of > > > course, the Irish and Celts have to be forgiven this in the now >because > >in > > > the "then" they were against writing, and what is preserved was done >so > >by > > > outsiders moreso. The true ancient Celtic beliefs are unknown, and >will > > > remain so, it seems, like an extinct animal, they're gone. > > > > > > We do know that at the time Krishna and the Pandavas were purported to > >have > > > existed, say 5000 years ago, at that same time Egypt was thriving in > >it's > > > own way, which was very different from Vedic. We have archaeological > >records > > > of many other cultures existing at that time as well, all with >differing > > > cultures from Vedic- other Gods, other Rites and Rituals, other Dress, > >other > > > Alphabet, etc etc. So the world was not "one completely" 5000 years >ago, > > > certainly not. However, it is possible that there was a great > >civilization > > > holding sway and power over the others, that could be so. But for one > >big > > > Vedic culture with Sanskrit spoken worldwide and Vedic everything >spread > > > worldwide, there is no evidence of that other than the small pieces of > > > evidence like the Swastika, and some Sanskrit words, other traces, to > > > indicate exposure perhaps? Or, perhaps way out of sight, very long >ago, > > > there was that huge Vedic worldwide thing, and it's all melted away, > > > perhaps. > > > > > > ???? > > > > > > I'm living in the question, rather than the answer. > > > > > > Rick > > > Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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