AW: Swastika Usage Today w/ Link

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Carrying on the discussion, from a completely different tack.......

 

Would it be insane to suggest that perhaps the Vedics, in prehistoric past,

have influenced people all over the world more culturaly & perhaps

socio-economically even, rather than by military power, as we have come to

expect in modern times.

 

The policy details of Ram Rajya for instance, would deffinately indicate

towards this bend of thought.( refer to the Ramayana for details )

 

Touching on Dawn`s point about the mayan callender & the imminent end of an

era, couldnt it be possible that another

( second? ) world influence of Vedic culture might be in the process of

happenning at this very moment in the usual vedic way, culturally &

socio-economically, rather than by military action.

 

If we look around the world, there has been a silent but steady progress, as

Indians are achieving key positions in nearly every country and on all walks

& levels of life, as they spread their influence with their Gods, foods,

fashion clothing, cinema, music, commerce, litreature, art, science,

medicine & whatnot.

A figure head is but a matter of time.....not so long from now....Possibly

making it by the Mayan deadline of 2012

 

This would be ruling the world in true, albiet watered down, Vedic

phylosophical style, would it not ?

 

Questionable, chronological notification of events can be linear & lacking

in perceptual dimensions.

Besides, there are too many unacounted factors like terrain & weather etc.

How would one explain Ganesha`s elephant`s head to the nomadic Arabs who

only knew sand & camels & goats & sheep, or the average cave dwellers of

Europe who probably hadnt much idea of tropical animals neither ? The

Goat`s head of Prajapati Daksha would be infinitly easier to relate to.

 

Isnt RA the egyptian sun God as is Ram of the Suryavansh dynasty & King Rama

(plus name) of Thailand ?

A couple of centuries of chronology could easily get mixed up either way

over thousands of years, specially when noted by people of singular

perspective.

 

The very dark south indians, have very white brahmins, (from centuries of

living indoors) as their priests. Could explain the physical differences

between the Africans & the Norwagians, evolving from centuries of adaptation

to living conditions.

 

Perhaps a synthisis of perspectives would give a more rounded picture of the

vedic era, especially when viewed unemotionally thru Vedic princepals.

 

Hari Om !

 

Shabnam

 

 

 

 

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Von: Das Goravani []

Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 14:53

An: valist

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Well, the total believers for Vedic culture and deities are chiming in and

stating that Vedic culture was everywhere and that Vedic deities are the

most primordial.

 

I've come to dislike totalitarian statements from religious faithful (I

know, I used to do it), but I must admit, no religion has so much the right

to act that way as Vedic does, with it's antiquity and breadth. Very hard to

beat! Unbeatable!

 

True, being material, all things in this world had to have a beginning,

including the human race- it had to either have been

 

1. dropped off by spaceship

2. Manifest in one place then spread

3. Manifest in many places similarly

 

We don't seem to know which it is at this time, or if we do, we're not

telling each other clearly enough for all to get it yet.

 

The swastika- seems particular enough to not just auto pop up in exactly the

same form all over the world, so one tends to think it spread from

somewhere. It's also easy to draw, looks nice, and looks cool, attractive,

so, if it were shown, it would tend to stick, hence one traveling Brahmin

3000 years ago in Europe is all it would take for it's introduction and

eventual wide spread there- wouldn't take much. For example, the triskalian,

the 3 pointed star so popular in Celtic art, is popping up on everything now

in America, because it LOOKS COOL and for no other reason.

 

There are no findings of elephant heads on anything in Europe. Period. I

haven't seen an elephant head on ANYTHING found in ALL of Europe from

ancient times in archaeological books, but you do find other similar things,

like Goat's heads on a human body, in other words, you find animals native

to the place as being deity parts.

 

There certainly could have been one huge kingdom- even Rome controlled

government in all of Europe, and much of Asia in it's day, and Greece had a

huge empire at one point. It's certainly believable that before recorded

history, and before remembered history, India too had it's time in ruling

the world, more or less.

 

When I see, as I have, the very very dark people of South India and Africa,

and the very very white people of Denmark, I'm struck as to how these two

could evolve from one, but it is possible, and conceivable. It's also

possible that they came from on the one hand the same original stock, and

then on the other hand got input of DNA from outside sources, alien sources,

or that various demigods started their own "downlines" on Earth. We don¹t

know.

 

Of all the creation tales from various cultures I've heard, the Vedic one is

the most complete, well documented and even believeable. Some are very vague

in comparison, and some, like Irish, don't have a creation tale at all. Of

course, the Irish and Celts have to be forgiven this in the now because in

the "then" they were against writing, and what is preserved was done so by

outsiders moreso. The true ancient Celtic beliefs are unknown, and will

remain so, it seems, like an extinct animal, they're gone.

 

We do know that at the time Krishna and the Pandavas were purported to have

existed, say 5000 years ago, at that same time Egypt was thriving in it's

own way, which was very different from Vedic. We have archaeological records

of many other cultures existing at that time as well, all with differing

cultures from Vedic- other Gods, other Rites and Rituals, other Dress, other

Alphabet, etc etc. So the world was not "one completely" 5000 years ago,

certainly not. However, it is possible that there was a great civilization

holding sway and power over the others, that could be so. But for one big

Vedic culture with Sanskrit spoken worldwide and Vedic everything spread

worldwide, there is no evidence of that other than the small pieces of

evidence like the Swastika, and some Sanskrit words, other traces, to

indicate exposure perhaps? Or, perhaps way out of sight, very long ago,

there was that huge Vedic worldwide thing, and it's all melted away,

perhaps.

 

????

 

I'm living in the question, rather than the answer.

 

Rick

Das

 

 

 

 

 

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