Prayers verse Mantras verse Science (Das and all)

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Das,

 

I think everyone here in this list recognizes the power and benefits

of using mantras, which are the vehicles for experiencing self

consciousness. It is necessary that the mantras chosen provide bliss

to the meditator. As such, the meditator can experience the

stability of mind and the realization of the three in one nature of

our consciousness. That is, we are the knower, the process of

knowing, and the known.

 

I believe that the understanding of this triune nature can lead to

higher levels of consciousness leading to Brahman consciousness.

Even if one is still in the process of evolution, one can get a hint

that we as humans are unique, in that through our consciousness we

can claim unity with the universe around us. In other words, we are

the universe and the universe is within us. For example, Jyotish has

shown that the Kalapurusha affects our physical and psychological

nature.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone

>

> My long journey in life so far has taken me into religious circles

to be

> sure. I have been taught prayers and I have prayed, mainly in two

prominent

> mono-theistic traditions, Catholic and Vaisnava Hindu.

>

> After suffering serious depression, I was pushed to really looking

into life

> in alternate ways to my past.

>

> Re. Prayer and Mantras, I've come to question the presence of the

> personalities of the deities being on other spiritual planets in a

direct

> way, like as I was taught previously. In other words, I really

question

> whether "anyone is listening" when you pray.

>

> Rather, I can easily accept that prayers and mantras are very self

aligning,

> helping you to align yourself with yourself, neuro-linguistic self

> programming, in other words.

>

> Then, regarding Mantras, the Sanskrit culture seems very clear by

comparison

> to Western counterpart, that both pronunciation and quantity of

repitition

> to be fundamental. And there too, in Hindu culture, in some places

more than

> others, you find the personal deity being taught, just like

Catholicism

> does, while in other places the personal deity is said to be a

> representation of an energy, a more Science compatible idea and one

I've

> personally come to accept more easily, as it's not so far fetched.

>

> In this case the mantra is helpful again as a focuser. But there is

an added

> element, the sound itself becomes a massage towards a certain end,

a type of

> medicine, sound medicine, that factually and literally aligns your

atoms

> with a particular energy.

>

> For example, the clash of blades makes the sound "Ksha", that cling

of the

> steel on steel. The word for warrior in Sanskrit in "Kshatriya"

reflecting

> the essence of clashing blades in the name itself. In the "Bhija"

mantras

> there are basic differences for worshipping God and Guru, just

slight

> differences, but they make a huge difference. So in truth, we end

up with

> words like "King" actually "doing something" to our consciousness

when we

> hear them- the vibration is more universally coded in matter subtly

than we

> think.

>

> So, repeating sounds, key sounds especially, can be "effectual"

> scientifically. The inverse is known to be true in sound science-

that is,

> it is known that prolonged exposure to random sounds is "bad for

the brain",

> bottom line. It's bad for you to be exposed to constant pandomonium,

> discord, random sounds of all different levels of volume, like in a

busy

> intersection of a modern city. Nobody likes to stay there. It's

> uncomfortable, and it's hard on the human body and emotional system.

>

> So mantras especially, have scientific sense to them. Repeating

pleasing and

> soothing sounds to yourself, so that the vibration actually goes

into your

> throat, head and body and perception or consciousness has

scientifically

> verfiable positive effects, as do simply thinking the sounds, and

focusing

> on that meditation.

>

> Prayers are more or less a similar device, but there is that

element of

> asking a personal, hopefully "listening" personal deity for "help",

> "intervention in the world flow of life and history", basically, to

altar

> fater or perceived fate, which is different than intending to

benefit

> oneself through the repetition of totally positive sounds and

concepts.

>

> We don't have proof of the existence of a personal Godhead. I've

studied

> that my whole life and I believe we have no proof. They, It, He,

She, may

> exist, but we don't have material proof of that. Part of Their

thing is

> therefore undeniably to be hidden, hard to find, invisible, out of

our way,

> out of sight, etc etc

>

> Or, we are more a part of an entity, a very large entity, that

exists

> somehow in a state of being "the divine", and we are inside that

thing, and

> its all one big show together, something unfolding itself. We have

no way of

> knowing. All my studies show me the great religions of the world

existing

> side by side through long time and being similar, but all with

different

> names for similar ideas. I had to honor them all, which meant

honoring none

> especially, including the monotheistic ones, since they so differ.

My

> embrace had to grow wider and wider to hold everything I found, and

it wiped

> out the chance of believing one religions offering on how the one

personal

> supreme is, or, what (it)/(s)/he's like.

>

> If this essay irks you, is stupid, or childish, or immature, or

> understatement, known to everyone already, or anything else that

shows I'm

> clueless, please clue me in to that, as I cannot tell for myself. I

> appreciate the shut down if that's what I should do. Otherwise,

written to

> sincerely share.

>

> peace

>

> Das Goravani, Pres.

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