Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Hello everyone My long journey in life so far has taken me into religious circles to be sure. I have been taught prayers and I have prayed, mainly in two prominent mono-theistic traditions, Catholic and Vaisnava Hindu. After suffering serious depression, I was pushed to really looking into life in alternate ways to my past. Re. Prayer and Mantras, I've come to question the presence of the personalities of the deities being on other spiritual planets in a direct way, like as I was taught previously. In other words, I really question whether "anyone is listening" when you pray. Rather, I can easily accept that prayers and mantras are very self aligning, helping you to align yourself with yourself, neuro-linguistic self programming, in other words. Then, regarding Mantras, the Sanskrit culture seems very clear by comparison to Western counterpart, that both pronunciation and quantity of repitition to be fundamental. And there too, in Hindu culture, in some places more than others, you find the personal deity being taught, just like Catholicism does, while in other places the personal deity is said to be a representation of an energy, a more Science compatible idea and one I've personally come to accept more easily, as it's not so far fetched. In this case the mantra is helpful again as a focuser. But there is an added element, the sound itself becomes a massage towards a certain end, a type of medicine, sound medicine, that factually and literally aligns your atoms with a particular energy. For example, the clash of blades makes the sound "Ksha", that cling of the steel on steel. The word for warrior in Sanskrit in "Kshatriya" reflecting the essence of clashing blades in the name itself. In the "Bhija" mantras there are basic differences for worshipping God and Guru, just slight differences, but they make a huge difference. So in truth, we end up with words like "King" actually "doing something" to our consciousness when we hear them- the vibration is more universally coded in matter subtly than we think. So, repeating sounds, key sounds especially, can be "effectual" scientifically. The inverse is known to be true in sound science- that is, it is known that prolonged exposure to random sounds is "bad for the brain", bottom line. It's bad for you to be exposed to constant pandomonium, discord, random sounds of all different levels of volume, like in a busy intersection of a modern city. Nobody likes to stay there. It's uncomfortable, and it's hard on the human body and emotional system. So mantras especially, have scientific sense to them. Repeating pleasing and soothing sounds to yourself, so that the vibration actually goes into your throat, head and body and perception or consciousness has scientifically verfiable positive effects, as do simply thinking the sounds, and focusing on that meditation. Prayers are more or less a similar device, but there is that element of asking a personal, hopefully "listening" personal deity for "help", "intervention in the world flow of life and history", basically, to altar fater or perceived fate, which is different than intending to benefit oneself through the repetition of totally positive sounds and concepts. We don't have proof of the existence of a personal Godhead. I've studied that my whole life and I believe we have no proof. They, It, He, She, may exist, but we don't have material proof of that. Part of Their thing is therefore undeniably to be hidden, hard to find, invisible, out of our way, out of sight, etc etc Or, we are more a part of an entity, a very large entity, that exists somehow in a state of being "the divine", and we are inside that thing, and its all one big show together, something unfolding itself. We have no way of knowing. All my studies show me the great religions of the world existing side by side through long time and being similar, but all with different names for similar ideas. I had to honor them all, which meant honoring none especially, including the monotheistic ones, since they so differ. My embrace had to grow wider and wider to hold everything I found, and it wiped out the chance of believing one religions offering on how the one personal supreme is, or, what (it)/(s)/he's like. If this essay irks you, is stupid, or childish, or immature, or understatement, known to everyone already, or anything else that shows I'm clueless, please clue me in to that, as I cannot tell for myself. I appreciate the shut down if that's what I should do. Otherwise, written to sincerely share. peace Das Goravani, Pres. Service http://www.dancingmooninc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Hello dear Das and the list members, Hare Krishna. Through the eyes of the Vedas, one can read through that this Universe comes in to existance through one of the Creator's energy the SOUND waves (vibration). As per Srimad Bhagavatma, Sound is the cause of the Sky (ether), sky is the cause of air, air is the cause of fire, fire is the cause of water, and the water is the cause of earth. In the sky there is only sound, in the air there are sound and touch, in the fire, there are sound, touch and form, in water there are sound, touch, form and taste, and in the earth there are sound, touch, form, taste and smell. Therefore, earth is the reservoir of all the qualities of the other elements which are part of our bodily (gross and subtle) senses and organs. We also learn from the BPHS. that all the elements are controlled by the different planets in this universe. So, this universe is self-contained because of the Paramatma enters in to each Universe for further creation for the allotted time . We, human being, become part of the universe in a smaller unit by being conscious only of our own indiividual unit. The purpose of our smaller unit is to stay connected with the bigger unit through YOGA (Link), meditation via authorized Mantras in english Prayers through SOUND waves by reciting the particular mantra according to our desired goal. That is how we perceive and get connected with the Universal engery of the creator. Hope it helps. Hari BOL. With my best wishes....................Amar Puri. >Das Goravani <> >valist ><valist> >Prayers verse Mantras verse Science >Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:02:32 -0800 > > > >Hello everyone > >My long journey in life so far has taken me into religious circles to be >sure. I have been taught prayers and I have prayed, mainly in two prominent >mono-theistic traditions, Catholic and Vaisnava Hindu. > >After suffering serious depression, I was pushed to really looking into >life >in alternate ways to my past. > >Re. Prayer and Mantras, I've come to question the presence of the >personalities of the deities being on other spiritual planets in a direct >way, like as I was taught previously. In other words, I really question >whether "anyone is listening" when you pray. > >Rather, I can easily accept that prayers and mantras are very self >aligning, >helping you to align yourself with yourself, neuro-linguistic self >programming, in other words. > >Then, regarding Mantras, the Sanskrit culture seems very clear by >comparison >to Western counterpart, that both pronunciation and quantity of repitition >to be fundamental. And there too, in Hindu culture, in some places more >than >others, you find the personal deity being taught, just like Catholicism >does, while in other places the personal deity is said to be a >representation of an energy, a more Science compatible idea and one I've >personally come to accept more easily, as it's not so far fetched. > >In this case the mantra is helpful again as a focuser. But there is an >added >element, the sound itself becomes a massage towards a certain end, a type >of >medicine, sound medicine, that factually and literally aligns your atoms >with a particular energy. > >For example, the clash of blades makes the sound "Ksha", that cling of the >steel on steel. The word for warrior in Sanskrit in "Kshatriya" reflecting >the essence of clashing blades in the name itself. In the "Bhija" mantras >there are basic differences for worshipping God and Guru, just slight >differences, but they make a huge difference. So in truth, we end up with >words like "King" actually "doing something" to our consciousness when we >hear them- the vibration is more universally coded in matter subtly than we >think. > >So, repeating sounds, key sounds especially, can be "effectual" >scientifically. The inverse is known to be true in sound science- that is, >it is known that prolonged exposure to random sounds is "bad for the >brain", >bottom line. It's bad for you to be exposed to constant pandomonium, >discord, random sounds of all different levels of volume, like in a busy >intersection of a modern city. Nobody likes to stay there. It's >uncomfortable, and it's hard on the human body and emotional system. > >So mantras especially, have scientific sense to them. Repeating pleasing >and >soothing sounds to yourself, so that the vibration actually goes into your >throat, head and body and perception or consciousness has scientifically >verfiable positive effects, as do simply thinking the sounds, and focusing >on that meditation. > >Prayers are more or less a similar device, but there is that element of >asking a personal, hopefully "listening" personal deity for "help", >"intervention in the world flow of life and history", basically, to altar >fater or perceived fate, which is different than intending to benefit >oneself through the repetition of totally positive sounds and concepts. > >We don't have proof of the existence of a personal Godhead. I've studied >that my whole life and I believe we have no proof. They, It, He, She, may >exist, but we don't have material proof of that. Part of Their thing is >therefore undeniably to be hidden, hard to find, invisible, out of our way, >out of sight, etc etc > >Or, we are more a part of an entity, a very large entity, that exists >somehow in a state of being "the divine", and we are inside that thing, and >its all one big show together, something unfolding itself. We have no way >of >knowing. All my studies show me the great religions of the world existing >side by side through long time and being similar, but all with different >names for similar ideas. I had to honor them all, which meant honoring none >especially, including the monotheistic ones, since they so differ. My >embrace had to grow wider and wider to hold everything I found, and it >wiped >out the chance of believing one religions offering on how the one personal >supreme is, or, what (it)/(s)/he's like. > >If this essay irks you, is stupid, or childish, or immature, or >understatement, known to everyone already, or anything else that shows I'm >clueless, please clue me in to that, as I cannot tell for myself. I >appreciate the shut down if that's what I should do. Otherwise, written to >sincerely share. > >peace > >Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > >Service > > > > > >http://www.dancingmooninc.com > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Dear Amar Puri ji, nice explanation. but in this explanation the place of light is missing. Can you pls throw some light on that......... rest everything is clear. thanks Sincerely Amit Kumar fas fas <foreignersassistance wrote: Hello dear Das and the list members, Hare Krishna. Through the eyes of the Vedas, one can read through that this Universe comes in to existance through one of the Creator's energy the SOUND waves (vibration). As per Srimad Bhagavatma, Sound is the cause of the Sky (ether), sky is the cause of air, air is the cause of fire, fire is the cause of water, and the water is the cause of earth. In the sky there is only sound, in the air there are sound and touch, in the fire, there are sound, touch and form, in water there are sound, touch, form and taste, and in the earth there are sound, touch, form, taste and smell. Therefore, earth is the reservoir of all the qualities of the other elements which are part of our bodily (gross and subtle) senses and organs. We also learn from the BPHS. that all the elements are controlled by the different planets in this universe. So, this universe is self-contained because of the Paramatma enters in to each Universe for further creation for the allotted time . We, human being, become part of the universe in a smaller unit by being conscious only of our own indiividual unit. The purpose of our smaller unit is to stay connected with the bigger unit through YOGA (Link), meditation via authorized Mantras in english Prayers through SOUND waves by reciting the particular mantra according to our desired goal. That is how we perceive and get connected with the Universal engery of the creator. Hope it helps. Hari BOL. With my best wishes....................Amar Puri. >Das Goravani >valist >To: >Prayers verse Mantras verse Science >Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:02:32 -0800 > > > >Hello everyone > >My long journey in life so far has taken me into religious circles to be >sure. I have been taught prayers and I have prayed, mainly in two prominent >mono-theistic traditions, Catholic and Vaisnava Hindu. > >After suffering serious depression, I was pushed to really looking into >life >in alternate ways to my past. > >Re. Prayer and Mantras, I've come to question the presence of the >personalities of the deities being on other spiritual planets in a direct >way, like as I was taught previously. In other words, I really question >whether "anyone is listening" when you pray. > >Rather, I can easily accept that prayers and mantras are very self >aligning, >helping you to align yourself with yourself, neuro-linguistic self >programming, in other words. > >Then, regarding Mantras, the Sanskrit culture seems very clear by >comparison >to Western counterpart, that both pronunciation and quantity of repitition >to be fundamental. And there too, in Hindu culture, in some places more >than >others, you find the personal deity being taught, just like Catholicism >does, while in other places the personal deity is said to be a >representation of an energy, a more Science compatible idea and one I've >personally come to accept more easily, as it's not so far fetched. > >In this case the mantra is helpful again as a focuser. But there is an >added >element, the sound itself becomes a massage towards a certain end, a type >of >medicine, sound medicine, that factually and literally aligns your atoms >with a particular energy. > >For example, the clash of blades makes the sound "Ksha", that cling of the >steel on steel. The word for warrior in Sanskrit in "Kshatriya" reflecting >the essence of clashing blades in the name itself. In the "Bhija" mantras >there are basic differences for worshipping God and Guru, just slight >differences, but they make a huge difference. So in truth, we end up with >words like "King" actually "doing something" to our consciousness when we >hear them- the vibration is more universally coded in matter subtly than we >think. > >So, repeating sounds, key sounds especially, can be "effectual" >scientifically. The inverse is known to be true in sound science- that is, >it is known that prolonged exposure to random sounds is "bad for the >brain", >bottom line. It's bad for you to be exposed to constant pandomonium, >discord, random sounds of all different levels of volume, like in a busy >intersection of a modern city. Nobody likes to stay there. It's >uncomfortable, and it's hard on the human body and emotional system. > >So mantras especially, have scientific sense to them. Repeating pleasing >and >soothing sounds to yourself, so that the vibration actually goes into your >throat, head and body and perception or consciousness has scientifically >verfiable positive effects, as do simply thinking the sounds, and focusing >on that meditation. > >Prayers are more or less a similar device, but there is that element of >asking a personal, hopefully "listening" personal deity for "help", >"intervention in the world flow of life and history", basically, to altar >fater or perceived fate, which is different than intending to benefit >oneself through the repetition of totally positive sounds and concepts. > >We don't have proof of the existence of a personal Godhead. I've studied >that my whole life and I believe we have no proof. They, It, He, She, may >exist, but we don't have material proof of that. Part of Their thing is >therefore undeniably to be hidden, hard to find, invisible, out of our way, >out of sight, etc etc > >Or, we are more a part of an entity, a very large entity, that exists >somehow in a state of being "the divine", and we are inside that thing, and >its all one big show together, something unfolding itself. We have no way >of >knowing. All my studies show me the great religions of the world existing >side by side through long time and being similar, but all with different >names for similar ideas. I had to honor them all, which meant honoring none >especially, including the monotheistic ones, since they so differ. My >embrace had to grow wider and wider to hold everything I found, and it >wiped >out the chance of believing one religions offering on how the one personal >supreme is, or, what (it)/(s)/he's like. > >If this essay irks you, is stupid, or childish, or immature, or >understatement, known to everyone already, or anything else that shows I'm >clueless, please clue me in to that, as I cannot tell for myself. I >appreciate the shut down if that's what I should do. Otherwise, written to >sincerely share. > >peace > >Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > >Service > > > > > >http://www.dancingmooninc.com > Links > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Amit Kumar, There two types agni tattva (tattva=tat+tva=that+ness) One tamasic ruled by Mars which is energy needed to move physical objects or implementation in physical world. Another satvic ruled by Sun. Which is vision and aquisition of knowledge. Mars rules Tantra (physical implementation of knowledge) and Sun which rules Sight and knowledege, that natural Atma kaaraka, the knower of all. Which is more for jyotish. Mars if strong can make one good in tantra or experiment in it. It's One of characteristics of Ruchaka mahapurusha yoga. These person can use yantra or tantra (like Hitler using Swastika in tilted form etc) Warm Regards Sanjay P Om Tat Sat valist, amit kumar <amit_call> wrote: > Dear Amar Puri ji, > nice explanation. > but in this explanation the place of light is missing. > Can you pls throw some light on that......... > rest everything is clear. > > thanks > Sincerely > Amit Kumar > > fas fas <foreignersassistance@h...> wrote: > > Hello dear Das and the list members, > > Hare Krishna. > > Through the eyes of the Vedas, one can read through that this Universe > comes in to existance through one of the Creator's energy the SOUND waves > (vibration). As per Srimad Bhagavatma, Sound is the cause of the Sky > (ether), sky is the cause of air, air is the cause of fire, fire is the > cause of water, and the water is the cause of earth. In the sky there is > only sound, in the air there are sound and touch, in the fire, there are > sound, touch and form, in water there are sound, touch, form and taste, and > in the earth there are sound, touch, form, taste and smell. Therefore, > earth is the reservoir of all the qualities of the other elements which are > part of our bodily (gross and subtle) senses and organs. We also learn > from the BPHS. that all the elements are controlled by the different planets > in this universe. So, this universe is self-contained because of the > Paramatma enters in to each Universe for further creation for the allotted > time . We, human being, become part of the universe in a smaller unit by > being conscious only of our own indiividual unit. The purpose of our > smaller unit is to stay connected with the bigger unit through YOGA (Link), > meditation via authorized Mantras in english Prayers through SOUND waves > by reciting the particular mantra according to our desired goal. That is > how we perceive and get connected with the Universal engery of the > creator. > > Hope it helps. > > Hari BOL. > > With my best wishes....................Amar Puri. > > > >Das Goravani > >valist > >To: > >Prayers verse Mantras verse Science > >Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:02:32 -0800 > > > > > > > >Hello everyone > > > >My long journey in life so far has taken me into religious circles to be > >sure. I have been taught prayers and I have prayed, mainly in two prominent > >mono-theistic traditions, Catholic and Vaisnava Hindu. > > > >After suffering serious depression, I was pushed to really looking into > >life > >in alternate ways to my past. > > > >Re. Prayer and Mantras, I've come to question the presence of the > >personalities of the deities being on other spiritual planets in a direct > >way, like as I was taught previously. In other words, I really question > >whether "anyone is listening" when you pray. > > > >Rather, I can easily accept that prayers and mantras are very self > >aligning, > >helping you to align yourself with yourself, neuro-linguistic self > >programming, in other words. > > > >Then, regarding Mantras, the Sanskrit culture seems very clear by > >comparison > >to Western counterpart, that both pronunciation and quantity of repitition > >to be fundamental. And there too, in Hindu culture, in some places more > >than > >others, you find the personal deity being taught, just like Catholicism > >does, while in other places the personal deity is said to be a > >representation of an energy, a more Science compatible idea and one I've > >personally come to accept more easily, as it's not so far fetched. > > > >In this case the mantra is helpful again as a focuser. But there is an > >added > >element, the sound itself becomes a massage towards a certain end, a type > >of > >medicine, sound medicine, that factually and literally aligns your atoms > >with a particular energy. > > > >For example, the clash of blades makes the sound "Ksha", that cling of the > >steel on steel. The word for warrior in Sanskrit in "Kshatriya" reflecting > >the essence of clashing blades in the name itself. In the "Bhija" mantras > >there are basic differences for worshipping God and Guru, just slight > >differences, but they make a huge difference. So in truth, we end up with > >words like "King" actually "doing something" to our consciousness when we > >hear them- the vibration is more universally coded in matter subtly than we > >think. > > > >So, repeating sounds, key sounds especially, can be "effectual" > >scientifically. The inverse is known to be true in sound science- that is, > >it is known that prolonged exposure to random sounds is "bad for the > >brain", > >bottom line. It's bad for you to be exposed to constant pandomonium, > >discord, random sounds of all different levels of volume, like in a busy > >intersection of a modern city. Nobody likes to stay there. It's > >uncomfortable, and it's hard on the human body and emotional system. > > > >So mantras especially, have scientific sense to them. Repeating pleasing > >and > >soothing sounds to yourself, so that the vibration actually goes into your > >throat, head and body and perception or consciousness has scientifically > >verfiable positive effects, as do simply thinking the sounds, and focusing > >on that meditation. > > > >Prayers are more or less a similar device, but there is that element of > >asking a personal, hopefully "listening" personal deity for "help", > >"intervention in the world flow of life and history", basically, to altar > >fater or perceived fate, which is different than intending to benefit > >oneself through the repetition of totally positive sounds and concepts. > > > >We don't have proof of the existence of a personal Godhead. I've studied > >that my whole life and I believe we have no proof. They, It, He, She, may > >exist, but we don't have material proof of that. Part of Their thing is > >therefore undeniably to be hidden, hard to find, invisible, out of our way, > >out of sight, etc etc > > > >Or, we are more a part of an entity, a very large entity, that exists > >somehow in a state of being "the divine", and we are inside that thing, and > >its all one big show together, something unfolding itself. We have no way > >of > >knowing. All my studies show me the great religions of the world existing > >side by side through long time and being similar, but all with different > >names for similar ideas. I had to honor them all, which meant honoring none > >especially, including the monotheistic ones, since they so differ. My > >embrace had to grow wider and wider to hold everything I found, and it > >wiped > >out the chance of believing one religions offering on how the one personal > >supreme is, or, what (it)/(s)/he's like. > > > >If this essay irks you, is stupid, or childish, or immature, or > >understatement, known to everyone already, or anything else that shows I'm > >clueless, please clue me in to that, as I cannot tell for myself. I > >appreciate the shut down if that's what I should do. Otherwise, written to > >sincerely share. > > > >peace > > > >Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > > > > > > >Service@D... > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.dancingmooninc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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