Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Hello all! The election results show that Bush has been chosen to complete a destiny for the nation. It appears to me that his role for the world is to get rid of terrorism and Al Qaida. His natal Rahu is located in the 11th house, a badhaka house for a Cancer ascendant. This position makes him especially suited to fight violent undercover factions like the terrorists (represented by Rahu) in the Middle East and the rest of the world. I believe this is the main reason the Americans voted him for the second term. In the final analysis, his Kala Sarpa Yoga (traditionally considered to be detrimental for success in life) made him distinctive from the rest of humanity. However, the readers should be aware that I did not vote for Bush for the fear that he might create another war somewhere else in the world. Unfortunately, the majority of the Americans chose Bush's method of governance. One way or another, this is going to cause more unrest for the world and more wasted expenditures of taxpayer dollars. Knowing the law of karma, I fear that Bush's worldwide policy in Iraq and elsewhere will somehow haunt the Americans in the end. Regards, John R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Dear John R., It has been a long time since I wrote on the list but I couldn't hold myself back when I read your mail. Please allow me a few short comments: G.W.Bush has Kala Amrita Yoga (Ketu in the 'lead') and not Kala Sarpa Yoga. His mission is no doubt one that is filled with religious conviction. Further more (1): Ketu is placed in the Arudha lagna which is the reason why he may so often be "misunderstood". Further more (2): Look at his Navamsa's (which is the Dharma chart) 10th house with 5 planets among them MARS who's the rasi's 10th and 5th (AL) lord and the navamsa's lagna lord ... The 10th navamsa lord is in the 6th house ...etc. etc. As far as I see it destiny surely plays its role here. Kind regards Jay Weiss valist, "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > Hello all! > > The election results show that Bush has been chosen to complete a > destiny for the nation. It appears to me that his role for the world > is to get rid of terrorism and Al Qaida. His natal Rahu is located > in the 11th house, a badhaka house for a Cancer ascendant. This > position makes him especially suited to fight violent undercover > factions like the terrorists (represented by Rahu) in the Middle East > and the rest of the world. > > I believe this is the main reason the Americans voted him for the > second term. In the final analysis, his Kala Sarpa Yoga > (traditionally considered to be detrimental for success in life) made > him distinctive from the rest of humanity. > > However, the readers should be aware that I did not vote for Bush for > the fear that he might create another war somewhere else in the world. > Unfortunately, the majority of the Americans chose Bush's method of > governance. One way or another, this is going to cause more unrest > for the world and more wasted expenditures of taxpayer dollars. > > Knowing the law of karma, I fear that Bush's worldwide policy in Iraq > and elsewhere will somehow haunt the Americans in the end. > > Regards, > > John R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Dear John, I don't know you and do not mean to single you out, but your last email reminded me in style and substance of so many other messages I have read on this board. In my opinion Jyotish is rooted in Vedic pilosophy, i.e. Bhagavad Gita for example. As such, if opinion is inserted, it would be preferable that it is based on tenets of timeless Vedic pilosophy rather than politics of the day. Just prior to the election this list was swamped with comments and interpretations that tried to massage and twist Bush's chart to fit a political agenda. Some of these messages were outright arrogant, sniveling and pompous. It pains me to see people who use techniques that took centuries of sophistication by true masters to perfect and then attach their infantile and very limited interpretation. One of the few exceptions to this "feeding frenzy" of Bush-bashers was Christopher Kevil who spoke up with a voice of reason. Cudos to him and those capable of understanding what he was saying… And now to some specific comments on your message: "Knowing the law of karma" Yeah, right. (check out Krisna's comment to Arjuna: "even the wise are bewildered at the laws of action" (4:16 & 17) or, 2:47 "you have control over action alone, never over its fruits." Your statement is silly because, first of all, you don't know Bush or what 'his' karma or dharma may be, much less what the outcome of anybody's action is including your own. Furthermore, the outcome of political agendas is even more nebulous. It took the Soviets 70 years to realize that socialism did not work for them… Did it ever occur to you that the Arabs and assorted terrorists also have karmas, or don't they count (they're just third world "little people" anyway, right?); and only Bush (by extension Americans) have the sophistication and gravitas for that burden to bear? Why must it be our fault that there is a war? Could it just be that the Middle East has loaded up with so much rotten karma by stewing in hatred for a century, that someone like Bush was "called" by the forces that are and given the thankless task of being the messenger? If Bush was indeed chosen to complete the destiny for the nation, why not be supportive of it? His chart seems to indicate that—as do a few other details, like being reelected to be the commander in chief of the US war machine. That ought to be a hint. Unless your chart shows that you are destined to be the great opposer of the dharma and karma of Bush (if you know karma so well, it ought to be a cinch to figure out), it would make sense to stick to what you know: food good, fire bad. Astrology is a fine science that can only be done well with a certain broadness of views and detachment from petty personal and emotional agendas. Inner growth and wisdom is a necessary precondition to tap into these subjects beyond carnival parlor level. Jola In a message dated 11/6/04 1:51:31 PM, Aikido 108 writes: << Hello all! The election results show that Bush has been chosen to complete a destiny for the nation. It appears to me that his role for the world is to get rid of terrorism and Al Qaida. His natal Rahu is located in the 11th house, a badhaka house for a Cancer ascendant. This position makes him especially suited to fight violent undercover factions like the terrorists (represented by Rahu) in the Middle East and the rest of the world. I believe this is the main reason the Americans voted him for the second term. In the final analysis, his Kala Sarpa Yoga (traditionally considered to be detrimental for success in life) made him distinctive from the rest of humanity. However, the readers should be aware that I did not vote for Bush for the fear that he might create another war somewhere else in the world. Unfortunately, the majority of the Americans chose Bush's method of governance. One way or another, this is going to cause more unrest for the world and more wasted expenditures of taxpayer dollars. Knowing the law of karma, I fear that Bush's worldwide policy in Iraq and elsewhere will somehow haunt the Americans in the end. Regards, John R. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Aikido Interesting post.. You are making a lot of points. Yes the eve of battle Krishna explained detachment, to Arjuna who was hhaving doubts aboout going into battle and killing family and teachers. ANd Krishna explained how we are all the spirit which is eternal and never dies and only the body dies. That we do nothing, that God does it all. But that was rather harder to explain. And that they had to kill the bodies only. So it gives a very different idea of battle and fighting against evil. Yes Christopher Kevil makes interesting posts.. and "If Bush was indeed chosen to complete the destiny for the nation, why not be supportive of it? His chart seems to indicate thatâ€"as do a few other details," Yes his chart is supportive of such a claim. Dawn Woodhouse valist, Aikido108@a... wrote: > Dear John, > I don't know you and do not mean to single you out, but your last email > reminded me in style and substance of so many other messages I have read on this > board. In my opinion Jyotish is rooted in Vedic pilosophy, i.e. Bhagavad Gita > for example. As such, if opinion is inserted, it would be preferable that it is > based on tenets of timeless Vedic pilosophy rather than politics of the day. > Just prior to the election this list was swamped with comments and > interpretations that tried to massage and twist Bush's chart to fit a political agenda. > Some of these messages were outright arrogant, sniveling and pompous. It > pains me to see people who use techniques that took centuries of sophistication by > true masters to perfect and then attach their infantile and very limited > interpretation. One of the few exceptions to this "feeding frenzy" of Bush-bashers > was Christopher Kevil who spoke up with a voice of reason. Cudos to him and > those capable of understanding what he was saying… > > And now to some specific comments on your message: "Knowing the law of karma" > Yeah, right. (check out Krisna's comment to Arjuna: "even the wise are > bewildered at the laws of action" (4:16 & 17) or, 2:47 "you have control over action > alone, never over its fruits." Your statement is silly because, first of > all, you don't know Bush or what 'his' karma or dharma may be, much less what the > outcome of anybody's action is including your own. Furthermore, the outcome > of political agendas is even more nebulous. It took the Soviets 70 years to > realize that socialism did not work for them… > > Did it ever occur to you that the Arabs and assorted terrorists also have > karmas, or don't they count (they're just third world "little people" anyway, > right?); and only Bush (by extension Americans) have the sophistication and > gravitas for that burden to bear? Why must it be our fault that there is a war? > Could it just be that the Middle East has loaded up with so much rotten karma by > stewing in hatred for a century, that someone like Bush was "called" by the > forces that are and given the thankless task of being the messenger? > > If Bush was indeed chosen to complete the destiny for the nation, why not be > supportive of it? His chart seems to indicate thatâ€"as do a few other details, > like being reelected to be the commander in chief of the US war machine. That > ought to be a hint. Unless your chart shows that you are destined to be the > great opposer of the dharma and karma of Bush (if you know karma so well, it > ought to be a cinch to figure out), it would make sense to stick to what you > know: food good, fire bad. > > Astrology is a fine science that can only be done well with a certain > broadness of views and detachment from petty personal and emotional agendas. Inner > growth and wisdom is a necessary precondition to tap into these subjects beyond > carnival parlor level. > Jola > > In a message dated 11/6/04 1:51:31 PM, Aikido 108 writes: > > << Hello all! > > > The election results show that Bush has been chosen to complete a > > destiny for the nation. It appears to me that his role for the world > > is to get rid of terrorism and Al Qaida. His natal Rahu is located > > in the 11th house, a badhaka house for a Cancer ascendant. This > > position makes him especially suited to fight violent undercover > > factions like the terrorists (represented by Rahu) in the Middle East > > and the rest of the world. > > > I believe this is the main reason the Americans voted him for the > > second term. In the final analysis, his Kala Sarpa Yoga > > (traditionally considered to be detrimental for success in life) made > > him distinctive from the rest of humanity. > > > However, the readers should be aware that I did not vote for Bush for > > the fear that he might create another war somewhere else in the world. > > Unfortunately, the majority of the Americans chose Bush's method of > > governance. One way or another, this is going to cause more unrest > > for the world and more wasted expenditures of taxpayer dollars. > > > Knowing the law of karma, I fear that Bush's worldwide policy in Iraq > > and elsewhere will somehow haunt the Americans in the end. > > > Regards, > > > John R. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Dear John R, Do you see 2006 mid May an eventful year for Bush, in 2007 & 2008 do you see war happening from the chart of Bush. Kind regards Sunil John Mumbai valist, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > Dear John R., > > It has been a long time since I wrote on the list but I couldn't > hold myself back when I read your mail. > Please allow me a few short comments: > > G.W.Bush has Kala Amrita Yoga (Ketu in the 'lead') and not Kala > Sarpa Yoga. His mission is no doubt one that is filled with > religious conviction. > Further more (1): Ketu is placed in the Arudha lagna which is the > reason why he may so often be "misunderstood". > > Further more (2): Look at his Navamsa's (which is the Dharma chart) > 10th house with 5 planets among them MARS who's the rasi's 10th and > 5th (AL) lord and the navamsa's lagna lord ... > The 10th navamsa lord is in the 6th house ...etc. etc. > As far as I see it destiny surely plays its role here. > > Kind regards > Jay Weiss > > > > valist, "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > > > Hello all! > > > > The election results show that Bush has been chosen to complete a > > destiny for the nation. It appears to me that his role for the > world > > is to get rid of terrorism and Al Qaida. His natal Rahu is > located > > in the 11th house, a badhaka house for a Cancer ascendant. This > > position makes him especially suited to fight violent undercover > > factions like the terrorists (represented by Rahu) in the Middle > East > > and the rest of the world. > > > > I believe this is the main reason the Americans voted him for the > > second term. In the final analysis, his Kala Sarpa Yoga > > (traditionally considered to be detrimental for success in life) > made > > him distinctive from the rest of humanity. > > > > However, the readers should be aware that I did not vote for Bush > for > > the fear that he might create another war somewhere else in the > world. > > Unfortunately, the majority of the Americans chose Bush's method > of > > governance. One way or another, this is going to cause more > unrest > > for the world and more wasted expenditures of taxpayer dollars. > > > > Knowing the law of karma, I fear that Bush's worldwide policy in > Iraq > > and elsewhere will somehow haunt the Americans in the end. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Dear List, Hare Krishna. May you find this in the best of your health and spirit. Here are my comments in CAP. letter below the message ; Hari Bol. With my best wishes........................Amar Puri. >"private" <astrodawnau >valist >valist >Re: Bush has Kala Sarpa Yoga, but became President and >reelected >Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:35:26 -0000 > > > >Aikido > >Interesting post.. You are making a lot of points. INDEED. > >Yes the eve of battle Krishna explained detachment, to Arjuna who was >hhaving doubts aboout going into battle and killing family and >teachers. BECASUE OF ARJUNA'S BODILY IDENTIFICATION WITH OTHERS, HIS INTELLEGENCE WAS COVERED WITH THE DELUSION OF MATERIAL NATURE DESPITE OF THE FACT THAT HE WAS A PIOUS MAN AND HE SEEMED NOT TO ENJOY THE KINGDOM FOR HIS PERSONAL SENSE GRATIFICATIONS AFTRER WINNING THE WAR. ANd Krishna explained how we are all the spirit which is >eternal and never dies and only the body dies. YES, STEP BY STEP, LORD SHRI KRISHNA ALLEVIATED HIS INTELLGENCE TO THE SPIRITUAL NATURE (IDENTITY) AND ARJUNA AGREED TO THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE LORD TO FIGHT FOR THE JUST CAUSE ACCORDING TO HIS POSITION. That we do nothing, >that God does it all. ALL TYPES OF HUMAN SPECIES ARE COMPELLED TO ACT UPON INITIATING ACTIONS CONSTANTLY AT PHYSICAL AND MENTAL LEVEL ACCORDING TO ONE'S KARMA UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF PLANETARY AUTHORITIES WHICH WE, THE ASTROLOGERS , STUDY AND THE PLANETS ARE WORKING UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE SUPREME LORD SHRI KRISHNA AS PER BHAGAVAD GITA IN ORDER TO GRANT THE INDIVIDUAL FRUTIVE RESULTS ACCORDING TO ONE'S ACTION. IF THE ACTION IS PERFORMED IN RELATIONSHIP WITH RENDERING SERVICE TO THE SUPREME LORD SHRI KRISHNA, THEN THERE IS NO REACTION TO THAT ACTION AS STATED BY THE SUPREME LORD SHRI KRISHNA, THE SPEAKER OF THE BHAGAVAD GITA. ARJUNA SUCCESSFULLY FOLLOWED THAT PATH AT LAST. SO, THERE WAS NO REACTION FOR ARJUNA'S KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE BATTLE FIELD OF KURUKSETRA. But that was rather harder to explain. And that >they had to kill the bodies only. YES, WHERE THERE IS UNJUSTICE, JUSTICE MUST PREVAIL. > >So it gives a very different idea of battle and fighting against evil. ONE MAY FIGHT THINKING IT IS JUST CAUSE WITHOUT PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GOOD OR EVIL IN VIEW OF THE SCRIPTURAL INJUNCTION AS STATED IN THE BHAGAVADGITA. > > >Yes Christopher Kevil makes interesting posts.. and > >"If Bush was indeed chosen to complete the destiny for the nation, >why not be >supportive of it? His chart seems to indicate thatâ€"as do a few >other details," THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS A VERY INTERESTING . WE MAY UNDERSTAND FROM BUSH'S CHART THAT HE IS TRULY DESTINED TO RULE THE NATION BECAUSE OF THE VERY STRONG AND POWERFUL COMBINATION IN EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE ASCENDANT LORD MOON AND 3L MERCURY WHICH INFLUENCES POSITIVELY IN THE MID POINT OF THE STRONG LAGNA IN HIS CHART. HOWEVER, THE BAD PLACEMENT OF THE 2L SUN IN 12H DOES NOT BRING GOOD RECOGINITION OF HIS ACTIONS HE MAY PERFORM DURING HIS TERM AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE HIS ( PRESIDENT BUSH) POSITION SIMILAR TO KING DURYODHANA OF THE KURU DYNESTY. HOPE YOU ENJOY READING MY COMMENTS. WITH MY BEST WISHES..................................AMAR PURI. > > >Yes his chart is supportive of such a claim. > > > >Dawn Woodhouse > > > > >valist, Aikido108@a... wrote: > > Dear John, > > I don't know you and do not mean to single you out, but your last >email > > reminded me in style and substance of so many other messages I have >read on this > > board. In my opinion Jyotish is rooted in Vedic pilosophy, i.e. >Bhagavad Gita > > for example. As such, if opinion is inserted, it would be >preferable that it is > > based on tenets of timeless Vedic pilosophy rather than politics >of the day. > > Just prior to the election this list was swamped with comments and > > interpretations that tried to massage and twist Bush's chart to fit >a political agenda. > > Some of these messages were outright arrogant, sniveling and >pompous. It > > pains me to see people who use techniques that took centuries of >sophistication by > > true masters to perfect and then attach their infantile and very >limited > > interpretation. One of the few exceptions to this "feeding frenzy" >of Bush-bashers > > was Christopher Kevil who spoke up with a voice of reason. Cudos to >him and > > those capable of understanding what he was saying… > > > > And now to some specific comments on your message: "Knowing the law >of karma" > > Yeah, right. (check out Krisna's comment to Arjuna: "even the wise >are > > bewildered at the laws of action" (4:16 & 17) or, 2:47 "you have >control over action > > alone, never over its fruits." Your statement is silly because, >first of > > all, you don't know Bush or what 'his' karma or dharma may be, much >less what the > > outcome of anybody's action is including your own. Furthermore, the >outcome > > of political agendas is even more nebulous. It took the Soviets 70 >years to > > realize that socialism did not work for them… > > > > Did it ever occur to you that the Arabs and assorted terrorists >also have > > karmas, or don't they count (they're just third world "little >people" anyway, > > right?); and only Bush (by extension Americans) have the >sophistication and > > gravitas for that burden to bear? Why must it be our fault that >there is a war? > > Could it just be that the Middle East has loaded up with so much >rotten karma by > > stewing in hatred for a century, that someone like Bush >was "called" by the > > forces that are and given the thankless task of being the messenger? > > > > If Bush was indeed chosen to complete the destiny for the nation, >why not be > > supportive of it? His chart seems to indicate thatâ€"as do a few >other details, > > like being reelected to be the commander in chief of the US war >machine. That > > ought to be a hint. Unless your chart shows that you are destined >to be the > > great opposer of the dharma and karma of Bush (if you know karma so >well, it > > ought to be a cinch to figure out), it would make sense to stick to >what you > > know: food good, fire bad. > > > > Astrology is a fine science that can only be done well with a >certain > > broadness of views and detachment from petty personal and emotional >agendas. Inner > > growth and wisdom is a necessary precondition to tap into these >subjects beyond > > carnival parlor level. > > Jola > > > > In a message dated 11/6/04 1:51:31 PM, Aikido 108 writes: > > > > << Hello all! > > > > > > The election results show that Bush has been chosen to complete a > > > > destiny for the nation. It appears to me that his role for the >world > > > > is to get rid of terrorism and Al Qaida. His natal Rahu is located > > > > in the 11th house, a badhaka house for a Cancer ascendant. This > > > > position makes him especially suited to fight violent undercover > > > > factions like the terrorists (represented by Rahu) in the Middle >East > > > > and the rest of the world. > > > > > > I believe this is the main reason the Americans voted him for the > > > > second term. In the final analysis, his Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > > (traditionally considered to be detrimental for success in life) >made > > > > him distinctive from the rest of humanity. > > > > > > However, the readers should be aware that I did not vote for Bush >for > > > > the fear that he might create another war somewhere else in the >world. > > > > Unfortunately, the majority of the Americans chose Bush's method of > > > > governance. One way or another, this is going to cause more unrest > > > > for the world and more wasted expenditures of taxpayer dollars. > > > > > > Knowing the law of karma, I fear that Bush's worldwide policy in >Iraq > > > > and elsewhere will somehow haunt the Americans in the end. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. >> > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 valist, "jjnet2000_in" <jjnet2000_in> wrote: > > Dear John R, > Do you see 2006 mid May an eventful year for Bush, in 2007 & 2008 do > you see war happening from the chart of Bush. > > Kind regards > > Sunil John > Mumbai > > valist, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear John R., > > > > It has been a long time since I wrote on the list but I couldn't > > hold myself back when I read your mail. > > Please allow me a few short comments: > > > > G.W.Bush has Kala Amrita Yoga (Ketu in the 'lead') and not Kala > > Sarpa Yoga. His mission is no doubt one that is filled with > > religious conviction. > > Further more (1): Ketu is placed in the Arudha lagna which is the > > reason why he may so often be "misunderstood". > > > > Further more (2): Look at his Navamsa's (which is the Dharma chart) > > 10th house with 5 planets among them MARS who's the rasi's 10th and > > 5th (AL) lord and the navamsa's lagna lord ... > > The 10th navamsa lord is in the 6th house ...etc. etc. > > As far as I see it destiny surely plays its role here. > > > > Kind regards > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > valist, "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > > > > > Hello all! > > > > > > The election results show that Bush has been chosen to complete a > > > destiny for the nation. It appears to me that his role for the > > world > > > is to get rid of terrorism and Al Qaida. His natal Rahu is > > located > > > in the 11th house, a badhaka house for a Cancer ascendant. This > > > position makes him especially suited to fight violent undercover > > > factions like the terrorists (represented by Rahu) in the Middle > > East > > > and the rest of the world. > > > > > > I believe this is the main reason the Americans voted him for the > > > second term. In the final analysis, his Kala Sarpa Yoga > > > (traditionally considered to be detrimental for success in life) > > made > > > him distinctive from the rest of humanity. > > > > > > However, the readers should be aware that I did not vote for Bush > > for > > > the fear that he might create another war somewhere else in the > > world. > > > Unfortunately, the majority of the Americans chose Bush's method > > of > > > governance. One way or another, this is going to cause more > > unrest > > > for the world and more wasted expenditures of taxpayer dollars. > > > > > > Knowing the law of karma, I fear that Bush's worldwide policy in > > Iraq > > > and elsewhere will somehow haunt the Americans in the end. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 On Nov 8, 2004, at 2:35 AM, private wrote: > Yes Christopher Kevil makes interesting posts.. and > > "If Bush was indeed chosen to complete the destiny for the nation, > why not be > supportive of it? His chart seems to indicate thatâ€"as do a few > other details," > > > Yes his chart is supportive of such a claim. In the discussions of dharma and the nation one would get the impression that everyones dharma in America is to take part in our president's games. For some it might be to stand in opposition to a corrupt and brutal regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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