Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 As Christopher said, the bin laden tape has clinched the deal for President Bush to be re elected. The eclipse was right on top of Kerrys Venus, in his house of loss, and the tape appeared the following day. And yes, the transits including Moon favour Bush on 2nd November. Also note the Moon in Gemini. Its in the 10th house from Bushs natal Moon/Jupiter, on the natal Sun. Seems a very good position. Also note the nakshatra transit of his Bhukti Lord Jupiter. Moon Star Jupiter Sub. Thus activating natal conjunction. Mercury the bhukti lord of Kerry is in Jupiter/Rahu and as the day goes on enters Saturn/Saturn. Natally placed opposite to Mercury. It would not surprise me if it got worse for him as the day progressed. Also President Bush's lunar return had a conjunction of the Yogakaraka for the lunar return on his natal vargottama Mars, in lunar return 7th house. Whereas Kerry had jupiter and Venus (ruling 12) on his MC. And the planets in Bushs LR were stronger in general. In terms of alternative courses to get rid of saddam. Good idea to assassinate. It would be wonderful if that would work. Perhaps in some cases in some regimes it might. But what about Uday and Qusay who would then take over and some say there were even worse than Saddam, would they have been left alone? And of course the Baathists? Saddam was in power because he was supported, not by the majority of those in Iraq, but he had used his supporters to secure his position, and by using brutal ways to suppress all opposition. Saddam was also very security conscious, it might not have been so easy to assassinate him. Its difficult to see how only removing Saddam would have been sufficient to dislodge all that. dawn w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Dawn, - "private" <astrodawnau <valist> Monday, November 01, 2004 6:52 PM Eclipse clinched the election > > > As Christopher said, the bin laden tape has clinched the deal for > President Bush to be re elected. > > The eclipse was right on top of Kerrys Venus, in his house of loss, > and the tape appeared the following day. > Good point. And yet Venus is still Venus (ie. benefic) so maybe this contains the seed of Kerry's win. I don't think this will happen, but at least there's a trail of breadcrumbs there if we need to find out what went wrong in a post mortem. > And yes, the transits including Moon favour Bush on 2nd November. > Also note the Moon in Gemini. Its in the 10th house from Bushs natal > Moon/Jupiter, on the natal Sun. Seems a very good position. > > Also note the nakshatra transit of his Bhukti Lord Jupiter. Moon Star > Jupiter Sub. Thus activating natal conjunction. > On the nakshatra question, I think it's very significant that both natural benefics Jupiter and Venus are in Hasta, a moon-ruled mansion. With Bush having Cancer rising, this favourable influence on the Moon is another sign of his victory. Chris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release 7/2/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 If Bush wins it's because America is as stupid as the rest of the world thinks it is. Eclipses help, but stupidity clinches the deal. I believe we should lick Bush and beat Dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 I just came back from voting. Only two other people were voting at the time that I was there...which very much surprised me! I had been expecting a very long line. Another thing that also surprised me was that many of the candidates had no opponent running against them. I am hoping that America is not as stupid as the rest of the world thinks that it is...Robin... Das Goravani <> wrote: If Bush wins it's because America is as stupid as the rest of the world thinks it is. Eclipses help, but stupidity clinches the deal. I believe we should lick Bush and beat Dick. Check out the new Front Page. www./a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 My first reaction to the Bin Laden tape was one of anger. How long has that tape been kept from the American public...several years?? The tape only increased my anger toward Bush...in no way, did it change my mind or influence me to vote for Bush whatsoever. Robin... Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: Dawn, - "private" To: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:52 PM Eclipse clinched the election > > > As Christopher said, the bin laden tape has clinched the deal for > President Bush to be re elected. > > The eclipse was right on top of Kerrys Venus, in his house of loss, > and the tape appeared the following day. > Good point. And yet Venus is still Venus (ie. benefic) so maybe this contains the seed of Kerry's win. I don't think this will happen, but at least there's a trail of breadcrumbs there if we need to find out what went wrong in a post mortem. > And yes, the transits including Moon favour Bush on 2nd November. > Also note the Moon in Gemini. Its in the 10th house from Bushs natal > Moon/Jupiter, on the natal Sun. Seems a very good position. > > Also note the nakshatra transit of his Bhukti Lord Jupiter. Moon Star > Jupiter Sub. Thus activating natal conjunction. > On the nakshatra question, I think it's very significant that both natural benefics Jupiter and Venus are in Hasta, a moon-ruled mansion. With Bush having Cancer rising, this favourable influence on the Moon is another sign of his victory. Chris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release 7/2/04 Check out the new Front Page. www./a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Chris, in the astrological post mortum two or three points I had concluded that Saturn stationary on the natal Saturn of President Bush would not be harmful, from natal chandra and Surya lagnas the 3 dharma lords saturn venus mercury are conjunct, therefore I cannot see they would cause harm. Also as you said. > benefics Jupiter and Venus are in Hasta, a moon-ruled mansion. With Bush > having Cancer rising, this favourable influence on the Moon is another sign > of his victory. yes, chris, Good point about hasta: there we see the nakshatra transits activating natal promise. Probably a useful principle to remember to not overlook in future predictins. Mercury which was Kerrys dasa lord moved from Ju/Ra star to Sa/Sa as the day progressed. Earlier the exit polls were in favour of Kerry, which is very rahu, considering it was misleading. And me/sa combinations relate to bad news. so for him it was bad news later as the day progressed. Obviously theres many more ways of looking at it astrologically, this is just one observation. dawn w valist, "Christopher Kevill" <christopher.kevill@s...> wrote: > Dawn, > > - > "private" <astrodawnau> > <valist> > Monday, November 01, 2004 6:52 PM > Eclipse clinched the election > > > > > > > > As Christopher said, the bin laden tape has clinched the deal for > > President Bush to be re elected. > > > > The eclipse was right on top of Kerrys Venus, in his house of loss, > > and the tape appeared the following day. > > > > Good point. And yet Venus is still Venus (ie. benefic) so maybe this > contains the seed of Kerry's win. I don't think this will happen, but at > least there's a trail of breadcrumbs there if we need to find out what went > wrong in a post mortem. > > > And yes, the transits including Moon favour Bush on 2nd November. > > Also note the Moon in Gemini. Its in the 10th house from Bushs natal > > Moon/Jupiter, on the natal Sun. Seems a very good position. > > > > Also note the nakshatra transit of his Bhukti Lord Jupiter. Moon Star > > Jupiter Sub. Thus activating natal conjunction. > > > > On the nakshatra question, I think it's very significant that both natural > benefics Jupiter and Venus are in Hasta, a moon-ruled mansion. With Bush > having Cancer rising, this favourable influence on the Moon is another sign > of his victory. > > Chris > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release 7/2/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Dawn, - "private" <astrodawnau <valist> Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:12 PM Re: Eclipse clinched the election > > > Chris, > > in the astrological post mortum > > two or three points > > I had concluded that Saturn stationary on the natal Saturn of > President Bush would not be harmful, from natal chandra and Surya > lagnas the 3 dharma lords saturn venus mercury are conjunct, > therefore I cannot see they would cause harm. This is an interesting point. Certainly, Saturn dasha has been good to Bush so that's another clue I used to make sense of the Saturn station for Bush. > Also as you said. > > > > benefics Jupiter and Venus are in Hasta, a moon-ruled mansion. > With Bush > > having Cancer rising, this favourable influence on the Moon is > another sign > > of his victory. > > yes, chris, Good point about hasta: there we see the nakshatra > transits activating natal promise. Agreed. I didn't even think of it before in my previous prediction and yet it seems to make sense. > > Probably a useful principle to remember to not overlook in future > predictins. > > Mercury which was Kerrys dasa lord moved from Ju/Ra star to Sa/Sa as > the day progressed. Earlier the exit polls were in favour of Kerry, > which is very rahu, considering it was misleading. And me/sa > combinations relate to bad news. so for him it was bad news later as > the day progressed. Obviously theres many more ways of looking at it > astrologically, this is just one observation. Excellent point there. I think this sort of nakshatra analysis can really help fill out things. I find KP too confusing to do properly and yet these transits of key planets such as dasha lord can add another useful dimension to the analysis. The trick is to find a way to incorporate so many disparate factors. I guess that's where experience and intuition(or rather just practice made unconsciously fluent?) comes into play. Chris > > dawn w > > > > > valist, "Christopher Kevill" > <christopher.kevill@s...> wrote: > > Dawn, > > > > - > > "private" <astrodawnau> > > <valist> > > Monday, November 01, 2004 6:52 PM > > Eclipse clinched the election > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Christopher said, the bin laden tape has clinched the deal for > > > President Bush to be re elected. > > > > > > The eclipse was right on top of Kerrys Venus, in his house of > loss, > > > and the tape appeared the following day. > > > > > > > Good point. And yet Venus is still Venus (ie. benefic) so maybe > this > > contains the seed of Kerry's win. I don't think this will happen, > but at > > least there's a trail of breadcrumbs there if we need to find out > what went > > wrong in a post mortem. > > > > > And yes, the transits including Moon favour Bush on 2nd November. > > > Also note the Moon in Gemini. Its in the 10th house from Bushs > natal > > > Moon/Jupiter, on the natal Sun. Seems a very good position. > > > > > > Also note the nakshatra transit of his Bhukti Lord Jupiter. Moon > Star > > > Jupiter Sub. Thus activating natal conjunction. > > > > > > > On the nakshatra question, I think it's very significant that both > natural > > benefics Jupiter and Venus are in Hasta, a moon-ruled mansion. > With Bush > > having Cancer rising, this favourable influence on the Moon is > another sign > > of his victory. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release 7/2/04 > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release 7/2/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 chris, "Excellent point there. I think this sort of nakshatra analysis can really help fill out things. I find KP too confusing to do properly and yet these transits of key planets such as dasha lord can add another useful dimension to the analysis. The trick is to find a way to incorporate so many disparate factors. I guess that's where experience and intuition(or rather just practice made unconsciously fluent?) comes into play." Yes one can be overloaded, but in this case, I just looked at the dasa and bhukti transits. Its necessary to simplify the factors. Its always worth looking at everything given time to get an overall feeling, but to hone in on one or two factors. One thing I have mentioned a couple of times, perhaps here and elsewhere, which I thought was unusual, was the disposition of President Bush's planets, in terms of them only being with friends, and also being in their own or friends Nakshatras natally. (Charts I am discussing below.) Generally speaking in charts you see some planets with friends, some with enemies. We do not see this with President Bush. Saturn Mercury Venus are mutual friends. They are not aspected by any enemies, and even though in the Moon sign, they are strong in ascendant, in that sign they are in their own nakshatra's. Even the Moon, as Asc lord is fortified with Jupiter the 9th lord, although its moolitrikona is 6th. Yet 6th rules armed forces, and 3rd commander. We will go back to that theme later. Have a look at Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Saturn and Jupiter. All are in their own or friendly Nakshatra. Enemy planets create opposition and obstacles, the lack of enemy planets and star placements which GWBush has removes opposition. Coupled with the vipareeta combination of Mercury Saturn in ascendant, which makes it look like hes in great difficulties but he always seems to emerge in spite of all odds to the surprise of many. The disposition of these planets has a lot to do with that. The other odd thing noticable is Saturn, Venus and Mercury's placement in the dasamsa (D10), and Drekkana (D3) . I am not pointing this out because its a conventional observation, which it is not. But I would give an explanation to my thinking: .... those few planets signs and positions we see have to contain within them the key somehow to all that is in mens lives, although not only are there millions of us, but also they contain the information that has enabled great astrologers such as Brighu to make predictions of our times. Much information has been lost as to how this was accomplished. And rigidity in perception can shut much out. Mercury, Venus and saturn in two varga charts, dasamsa, and drekkana are in mutual trines (westerners call it a grand trine). Is that significant? Yes I think so. D10 is deeds in the world. Each is in the 3rd sign from its own sign. One thing ruled by the 3rd house is military commander. In the D3, which is allies as well as brothers, we get the same trine, but 6 houses from those they rule. 6th as we know rules all aspects of the armed forces. Now I know thats an unusual interpretation. Yet I was struck by the oddness of this. Yes Rahu in the 11th may point to this destiny. Yet I cannot shake the feeling that the observations I am not making are the key to this. Planet Position Pada CharaK Ascdt 14 Cn 00 Pushyami 4 - Sun 20 Ge 40 Punarvasu 1 MK Jup Jup Moon 23 Vi 34 Chitra 1 BK Mars Mars Mars 16 Le 12 Poo.Pha. 1 PK Ven Sun Mercury 16 Cn 43 Aasresha 1 PiK Mer Mer Jupiter 25 Vi 02 Chitra 1 AmK Mars Rah Venus 28 Cn 23 Aasresha 4 AK Mer sat Saturn 3 Cn 24 Pushyami 1 DK Sat Sat Rahu 26 Ta 29 Mrigasira 1 GK Mar Jup Ketu 26 Sc 29 Jyeshtha 3 - Mer Jup BhavaLg 20 Cn 38 Aasresha 2 - +----------------------+ | | | | | | | | | Glk | | | | Rah | | | | | | Sun | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | Mnd Sat | | | | | | | | Asc Mer | | | | | | | | BL Ven | |-------------| R A S I |-------------| | | | | | | | Mar | | | | | | | | HL | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | GL | | Moo | | | | | | | | Ket | | Jup | | | | | | +----------------------+ +----------------------+ | | | | | | Glk | | | | | | Sun | | | | Ven | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | Ket | | Mnd | | | | | | | | | |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| | | | Rah Sat | | BL | | | | | | Mar | | GL | | | | | | Moo Jup | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | Mer | Asc | HL | | | | | | | | | | | | +----------------------+ +----------------------+ | | | | | | BL | | Moo | | | | HL | | | | Ven | | Jup | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | Mnd Sat | | Sun | | | | | | GL Ket | | | | | |-------------| D - 3 |-------------| | | | | | | | | | Rah | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | Asc | | | | Mar | | Glk | | | | Mer | | | | | | | | +----------------------+ +----------------------+ | | | | | | Mnd | | | | | | Sat | | | | Ket | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | HL | | Asc | | | | | | | | | |-------------| D - 1 0 |-------------| | Mar | | | | | | | | Jup | | Mer | | | | | | GL | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | Glk Sun | | | Rah | | | | | | | Ven Moo | | | BL | | | | | | +----------------------+ dawn woodhouse valist, "Christopher Kevill" <christopher.kevill@s...> wrote: > Dawn, > > > - > "private" <astrodawnau> > <valist> > Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:12 PM > Re: Eclipse clinched the election > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > in the astrological post mortum > > > > two or three points > > > > I had concluded that Saturn stationary on the natal Saturn of > > President Bush would not be harmful, from natal chandra and Surya > > lagnas the 3 dharma lords saturn venus mercury are conjunct, > > therefore I cannot see they would cause harm. > > This is an interesting point. Certainly, Saturn dasha has been good to Bush > so that's another clue I used to make sense of the Saturn station for Bush. > > > Also as you said. > > > > > > > benefics Jupiter and Venus are in Hasta, a moon-ruled mansion. > > With Bush > > > having Cancer rising, this favourable influence on the Moon is > > another sign > > > of his victory. > > > > yes, chris, Good point about hasta: there we see the nakshatra > > transits activating natal promise. > > Agreed. I didn't even think of it before in my previous prediction and yet > it seems to make sense. > > > > > Probably a useful principle to remember to not overlook in future > > predictins. > > > > Mercury which was Kerrys dasa lord moved from Ju/Ra star to Sa/Sa as > > the day progressed. Earlier the exit polls were in favour of Kerry, > > which is very rahu, considering it was misleading. And me/sa > > combinations relate to bad news. so for him it was bad news later as > > the day progressed. Obviously theres many more ways of looking at it > > astrologically, this is just one observation. > > Excellent point there. I think this sort of nakshatra analysis can really > help fill out things. I find KP too confusing to do properly and yet these > transits of key planets such as dasha lord can add another useful dimension > to the analysis. The trick is to find a way to incorporate so many > disparate factors. I guess that's where experience and intuition (or rather > just practice made unconsciously fluent?) comes into play. > > Chris > > > > > dawn w > > > > > > > > > > valist, "Christopher Kevill" > > <christopher.kevill@s...> wrote: > > > Dawn, > > > > > > - > > > "private" <astrodawnau> > > > <valist> > > > Monday, November 01, 2004 6:52 PM > > > Eclipse clinched the election > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Christopher said, the bin laden tape has clinched the deal for > > > > President Bush to be re elected. > > > > > > > > The eclipse was right on top of Kerrys Venus, in his house of > > loss, > > > > and the tape appeared the following day. > > > > > > > > > > Good point. And yet Venus is still Venus (ie. benefic) so maybe > > this > > > contains the seed of Kerry's win. I don't think this will happen, > > but at > > > least there's a trail of breadcrumbs there if we need to find out > > what went > > > wrong in a post mortem. > > > > > > > And yes, the transits including Moon favour Bush on 2nd November. > > > > Also note the Moon in Gemini. Its in the 10th house from Bushs > > natal > > > > Moon/Jupiter, on the natal Sun. Seems a very good position. > > > > > > > > Also note the nakshatra transit of his Bhukti Lord Jupiter. Moon > > Star > > > > Jupiter Sub. Thus activating natal conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > On the nakshatra question, I think it's very significant that both > > natural > > > benefics Jupiter and Venus are in Hasta, a moon-ruled mansion. > > With Bush > > > having Cancer rising, this favourable influence on the Moon is > > another sign > > > of his victory. > > > > > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.