2-Amit, > MarkKincaid....10/15 re. struggles, & Jyotish prescriptions for improvement...

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Dear Amit:

 

To me the most important aspect of Jyotish, is that it's preceptions and

prescriptions are all, potentially based on the uniqueness of each person's

individual chart.

 

In other words, the answer for everyone is different, or at least unique to

them.

 

 

The 'truth' or advice, could be the same as another, but this is because

there are similarities, in the charts....

 

 

Nice hearing from you...

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

> amit kumar <amit_call

> valist

> Sat, 2 Oct 2004 05:08:39 -0700 (PDT)

> valist

> Re: 2-Amar, >

> MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

>

>

> Om,

> dera Mark ji and Amar ji, Das ji and all....

> I would also like to share my experience.....

> I am very novice to this world and also to Jyotish............but not to

> spirituality.

> only spiritual quest derived me to learn jyotish........and it gave me a lot

> of answers.......

> but all this was to my mental ....emotional being ..

> I felt a lot of agony in my emotional being......

> i struggled to adjust myself to the outer world..

> The way people think and behave was always expected from me....

> But keeping myself firm on my faiths and spiritual experiences helped me to

> stand up....

> I practiced Yoga and meditation for some years(for spiritual progress)

> but So many times i found myself a more 'bhakta'....and always found a guiding

> being with me ..inside me.

> with only 7-8 years of spiritual experiences ....but very intense experiences

> i am able to say ....whoever comes to me as a spiritual light makes me

> progress......

> whether it is yoga practices(with all hathyoga practices),Gita,Vedas,believing

> in 'saakar brahma',or in niraakara or everything.....

> i felt everything was a fully ordered step to let me learn the next step.....

> i was pushed to practice freee will and believe in free will,inspire others to

> use their free will at a stage.....

> i was completely against predeterminism at that time.......

> i was seeing free will working and changing everything.....

> at that time whomever astrologer i met predicted totally wrong....

> after that in HIS own way he destroyed all in me......all HIS images...my

> beliefs ,my ways..everything....

> but something remained intact...who was learning..

> all that was working authoritatively,all that was proving itself daily was

> destroyed.

> now HE revealed predeterminism to me.....

> i am very well convinced with all that happened to me

> this was the only way.......I WAS PREPARED BY TEACHING FREE WILL TO LEARN

> PREDETERMINISM......

> i know both exist...but i have to learn a lot..a lot ...a lot....

> how and where both exist....

> The thing i wanted to share with you is..

> "i am always convinced with every path of spiritual progress......

> any one who honestly saying something is true....and works...

> ONLY AT DIFFERENT POINT OF TIME...AT DIFFERENT STAGES ONE NEEDS TO PRACTICE A

> PARTICULAR PATH.......AND IF HE IS ASPIRING TRULY...HE IS GUIDED TO THE RIGHT

> ONE WHICH IS NEEDED AT THAT TIME."

> ...

> this alll is based on my own experiences .......

> I am a very humble student of spirituality and now astrology also..........

> i wish your blessings and guidance..........

>

> regards

> Amit

>

>

> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

>

> dear fas:

>

>

>

>

> And to me, all those sorts of differences,......

>

> one takes this road, one takes another....

>

> these are all the beautiful differences and uniquenesses or our charts...

>

> knowing 'those' allows us to take our road, more smoothly....

>

>

> Jai Guru

>

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

>

>> "fas fas"

>> valist

>> Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:01:50 +0000

>> valist

>> RE: 2-Amar, >

>> MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

>>

>> Yes, dear Mark, I agree with the expression, " all roads lead to Rome

>> "..........

>>

>> But, how and what sort of difficulties or without them one arrives at the

>> destination makes the whole world wide difference.

>>

>> Hari Bol.

>>

>> With my best wishes and regards.................Amar Puri.

>>

>>

>>

>>> Mark Kincaid

>>> valist

>>> To:

>>> 2-Amar, >

>>> MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

>>> Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:13:52 -0500

>>>

>>> dear Fas/Amar:

>>>

>>> That's why I like that expression, 'all roads lead to Rome'...

>>>

>>> And why I believe, the Hindu or Vedic ideal of honoring everyone's paths,

>>> is

>>> so powerful, and 'right'....

>>>

>>> I only mention my path, to give expression to my experiences,...

>>> and as I've walked this wonderful Jyotish, path, which helps us all, with

>>> all of our questions....

>>>

>>> we can make the path, sweeter....

>>>

>>> I was just thinking today, Jyotish is especially, profound because it's

>>> able

>>> to answer for people, the details of their questions....

>>>

>>> That's been especially valuable for me, too...

>>>

>>> It's a comfort on the path, to understand 'intellectually',... as well as

>>> spiritually, in faith...

>>> or in consciousness...

>>>

>>> take care

>>>

>>>

>>> all my best

>>>

>>>

>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Founder Starlight Unlimited, a business, promoting Jyotish into all areas

>>> of

>>> life.

>>> Nature's Astrology: / a

>>> ,

>>> looking at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can

>>> encourage

>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology

>>> and new :

>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want more formal

>>> Jyotish.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> "fas fas"

>>>> valist

>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:42:54 +0000

>>>> valist

>>>> RE: 2-Amar, >

>>>> MarkKincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

>>>>

>>>> Hello dear Mark,

>>>>

>>>> Hare Krishna. I must admit that I am not a Philospher. I am a fool

>>> number

>>>> one simply trying to understand Bhagavad Gita. That is why I could not

>>> find

>>>> what type of slightly different take on you have on my message which I

>>> wrote

>>>> as ;

>>>>

>>>> Hello dear Mark,

>>>>

>>>> Hare Krishna.

>>>>

>>>> Only with the knowledge of HOW TO DEVELOP LOVE OF GOD WITH PROPER

>>> SPIRITUAL

>>>> ACTIVITIES can we rise progressively above the Laws of Karma, and learn

>>> to

>>>> surrender to the creator Shri Krishna which is the ultimate goal of

>>> human

>>>> form of life.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS' PURPOSE

>>>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, indeed, understanding one's own chart and transforming life by

>>>> understanding further to develop the devotional service to the Supreme

>>>> Personality of Godhead, Shri Krishna are the key factors in the Human

>>> form

>>>> of life as advised by Shri Krishna HIMSELF in the Bhagavad Gita.

>>>>

>>>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

>>>>

>>>> In my message above, I am quoting simply from the Bhagavad Gita As It

>>> Is

>>>> but your message / answer to my writting is no where to be found in the

>>>> Bhagavad Gita.

>>>>

>>>> Can you please give reference or quote from the Bhagavad Gita in

>>> support to

>>>> what you are saying ?

>>>>

>>>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

>>>>

>>>> With my best wishes.......................Amar Puri.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>> valist

>>>>> To:

>>>>> 2-Amar, >

>>>>> MarkKincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:08:07 -0500

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Amar:

>>>>>

>>>>> I have a slightly different take on what you said, below.

>>>>>

>>>>> My guru, his holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, of tm, fame, has always

>>>>> said...

>>>>>

>>>>> the key to 'enlightenment', is developing pure consciousness, along

>>> with

>>>>> waking, dreaming and sleeping.

>>>>>

>>>>> This is accomplished by regular periods of deep meditation each day.

>>>>>

>>>>> Haveing meditated, now for over 30 years, I can give great testament to

>>>>> that

>>>>> power.

>>>>>

>>>>> As far as God Realization goes, Maharishi says, the first step is

>>> Cosmci

>>>>> Consciousness.

>>>>>

>>>>> Unfolding a steady, constant, inner support of pure consciousness,

>>> then,

>>>>> "find your heart melting in the refinement of Cosmic consciousness, in

>>> God

>>>>> Consciousness."

>>>>>

>>>>> For the Maharishi, devotion is a matter of personal experience.

>>>>>

>>>>> As the mind enters into the finer realms of the Cosmic mind, in

>>> meditation,

>>>>> then, one comes upon, the direct experience of the living, breathing,

>>>>> being,

>>>>> of the Self, of the Universe...

>>>>>

>>>>> each step along the path, towards that wonderful reality, then, melts

>>> the

>>>>> heart, and develps the desire for more Oneness...

>>>>>

>>>>> You may have heard of the Maharishi's great translation of the

>>>>> Bhagavad-gita, which goes into even, a lot more detail about how to

>>> develop

>>>>> Unity & God Consciousness.

>>>>>

>>>>> I like also what you say about Jyotish:

>>>>>

>>>>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS'

>>> PURPOSE

>>>>>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER.

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm reminded too of what my Maharishi has said.

>>>>>

>>>>> "When the aspirant, has investigated into the Nature of Reality, and

>>> has

>>>>> fathomed the Absolute and the Relative, he becomes like an admirer, of

>>> a

>>>>> great Artist.

>>>>>

>>>>> When the Artist, (and in this case, God), hear's the great

>>> appreciations of

>>>>> his art, he wants to meet, such a person....

>>>>>

>>>>> In this case, the Lord God, comes to those, who have developed a keen

>>> eye,

>>>>> and wisdom as to the creation....

>>>>>

>>>>> Jyotish has been like that for me.

>>>>>

>>>>> As I've become more and more knowledgeable, really about every aspect

>>> of

>>>>> it,

>>>>> it's insights and perceptions as to how 'reality' works,....has made me

>>>>> feel

>>>>> like that appreciative, student of art....

>>>>>

>>>>> And now, through this devotion, I find the love of the Creator,

>>> ...growing,

>>>>> and blossoming,....within...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Jai Guru!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Jai Krishna!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Founder Starlight Unlimited, business developed to promote practical

>>>>> applications

>>>>> of Jyotish to every day life.

>>>>> Nature's Astrology: /

>>>>> is a look at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can

>>>>> encourage

>>>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology,

>>>>> and new :

>>>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want more

>>> formal

>>>>> jyotish.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> "fas fas"

>>>>>> valist

>>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:37:07 +0000

>>>>>> valist

>>>>>> RE: 2-Amar, > Mark

>>>>>> Kincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello dear Mark,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hare Krishna.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Only with the knowledge of HOW TO DEVELOP LOVE OF GOD WITH PROPER

>>>>> SPIRITUAL

>>>>>> ACTIVITIES can we rise progressively above the Laws of Karma, and

>>> learn

>>>>> to

>>>>>> surrender to the creator Shri Krishna which is the ultimate goal of

>>>>> human

>>>>>> form of life.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS'

>>> PURPOSE

>>>>>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, indeed, understanding one's own chart and transforming life by

>>>>>> understanding further to develop the devotional service to the Supreme

>>>>>> Personality of Godhead, Shri Krishna are the key factors in the Human

>>>>> form

>>>>>> of life as advised by Shri Krishna HIMSELF in the Bhagavad Gita.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> With my best wishes.....................................Amar Puri.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>> To:

>>>>>>> 2-Amar, > Mark

>>>>>>> Kincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

>>>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0500

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Amar:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> My only addition, to your further thoughts and insights,....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> is once we find the Planets and/or Jyotish configurations, that are

>>>>>>> probably, causeing or reflecting our challenges,...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> then, I believe we should quickly move into what I like to call the

>>>>>>> 'TRANSFORMATIVE' aspect of Jyotish.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We should think there are 2 primary aspects...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> #1 Understanding....our charts.... and

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> #2 Transforming, ....our charts....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> When I first started studying Jyotish, many years ago, you'd pick up

>>>>> any

>>>>>>> book on Jyotish and there might be 195 pages on the 'Jyotish', (or

>>>>>>> Understanding), and then tacked on at the end, almost like an after

>>>>>>> thought,

>>>>>>> would be 5 pages on remedial measures...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Now, I realize, once we find the Jyotish configurations that are

>>>>> probably

>>>>>>> responsible for our sufferings...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> then, let's quickly moves into whatever we can do, to literally,

>>>>>>> strengthen,

>>>>>>> and transform, that 'functionally malefic' situation!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This is my favorite part of Jyotish...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> First because it's sooooo practical,...but

>>>>>>> also because it's the aspect of Jyotish which is so sorely, not

>>>>> practiced,

>>>>>>> enough....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We can also hear in our words and experiences, what Planets are

>>>>> probably

>>>>>>> responsible...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> o Sufferings, losses, grief, sadness, delays, disappointments, and

>>>>>>> frustrations....?....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> A Probably Saturn!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> o Accidents, fights, quarrels, thievery, angry, etc....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> A Probably Mars!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Why it's good to learn to identify the Planet that's causing us our

>>>>>>> hardships?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Because once we find out, then, by directly improving that Planet,

>>> it's

>>>>>>> like

>>>>>>> the Planets represent these unique, power stations, in the body and

>>>>>>> mind,...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> and once we learn to trigger them,....for GOOD!,...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> then, we can make great spiritual changes!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> take care

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Founder Starlight Unlimited, business developed to promote practical

>>>>>>> applications

>>>>>>> of Jyotish to every day life.

>>>>>>> Nature's Astrology: /

>>>>>>> is a look at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can

>>>>>>> encourage

>>>>>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology,

>>>>>>> and new :

>>>>>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want more

>>>>> formal

>>>>>>> jyotish.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "fas fas"

>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:32:34 +0000

>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>> RE: 2-das, > Mark Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

>>>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I wrote in my message earlier;

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> AS PER SA, MOON, SATURN AND JUPITER BESIDES MERCURY, RAHU AND KETU

>>> ARE

>>>>>>> ALL

>>>>>>>> BENEFIC PLANETS BUT WEAK DUE TO ITS DISPOSITORS AND AFFLICTIONS ETC.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Where as it should read;

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> AS PER SA, MOON, SATURN AND JUPITER except MERCURY, RAHU AND KETU

>>>>> which

>>>>>>>> becomes funtional malefics, ARE ALL BENEFIC PLANETS BUT WEAK DUE TO

>>>>> ITS

>>>>>>>> DISPOSITORS AND AFFLICTIONS ETC. in Das's chart.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sorry for the inconvenience. Your comments are welcome.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hari Bol.......................Amar Puri.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "fas fas"

>>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>>> RE: 2-das, > Mark

>>> Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

>>>>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

>>>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:57:22 +0000

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hello dear Mark and List Members,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hare Krishna. I would like to give point of views in CAP. letter

>>>>>>> appended

>>>>>>>>> below Mark's message based on SA. which I am sure it will shed

>>> some

>>>>>>>>> additional insights on Das's chart for further discussion.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hari Bol........................Amar Puri.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>>>> To:

>>>>>>>>>> 2-das, > Mark Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

>>>>>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:11:02 -0500

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Das:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I'm very happy you appreciated the thoughts regarding Sani.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Saturn, to me, represents the hardest part of Jyotish/life.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> IT DEPENDS UPON THE FUNTIONAL NATURE OF THE PLANET ACCORDING TO THE

>>>>>>>>> ASCENDANT. IN DAS'S CHART SHANI IS A FUNCTIONAL BENEFIC WHICH IS

>>>>>>> PROVED BY

>>>>>>>>> THE STATEMENT BELOW BY MARK.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Though I know some people, who have better Sani's in their charts,

>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> they're 'lessons' aren't so extreme.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> YES, IT IS DUE TO THE FUNCTIONAL BENEFIC NATURE OF SANI WHICH LOOKS

>>>>>>> LIKE

>>>>>>>>> UNAFFLICTED BENEFIC SANI IN THAT CHART AS REFERRED ABOVE.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Now, I understand why Astrology calls Saturn, the 'lesson

>>> giver'....

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> See below:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Das Goravani

>>>>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:57:05 -0700

>>>>>>>>>>> ,

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> My struggle

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mark K., for your message about Saturn.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I used to be an explosion of activity daily, and it was very

>>>>> focused,

>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> successful. Whatever I attempted worked well. I used to employ

>>>>>>>>> friends,

>>>>>>>>>> got

>>>>>>>>>>> much done, and felt happy. I had faith in Vishnu¹s existence, and

>>>>>>> felt

>>>>>>>>>> clear

>>>>>>>>>>> about just about everything, so I thought.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> When we can see or point to the qualities of our actions, that may

>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>> responsible

>>>>>>>>>> for our present 'griefs',....this is almost the complete ball

>>>>> game...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Those who can't see, or refuse to accept, even when friends, or

>>>>> life,

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> trying to show then,...

>>>>>>>>>> their ...'whys'.... are even more lost....

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Then slowly in Sani Dasha, especially Saturn/Venus, it was taken

>>>>>>> apart

>>>>>>>>>>> inside me. I began to lose faith, then I lost marriage,

>>> businesses,

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>>>> happiness.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> YES, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE AFFLICTED SATURN AND VENUS BY RAHU IN

>>> YOUR

>>>>>>>>> CHART,

>>>>>>>>> DAS PRABHU. SATURN AND VENUS ARE BENEFIC PLANETS IN YOUR CHART BUT

>>>>> DUE

>>>>>>> TO

>>>>>>>>> THE ASPECT OF RAHU, IT BECOMES AFFLICTED AND THE EFFECT FRUCTIFIED

>>>>>>> DURING

>>>>>>>>> THEIR SUB PERIOD AS CONFIRMED ABOVE.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I've already told you my Sani story, and now since I've finally

>>> come

>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> the dark, Saturn tunnel, I can say with more confidence, that....

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> extent

>>>>>>>>>> to which we suffer, is in direct proportion, to how much attention

>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>> need

>>>>>>>>>> to put on Sani, for example.....

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Eventually I got really depressed, more and more. I turned to

>>>>>>>>>>> substances for assistance, on a steady basis.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Although losing slowly my material and mental stability, I did

>>> gain

>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> more insight into other things, specifically history as well as

>>>>>>>>>> ³seeing², or

>>>>>>>>>>> psychic ability, astrological ability.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> IT WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT LAGNA LORD MARS CONTROLS THE 8H OF CULT

>>>>>>> SCIENCE

>>>>>>>>> OCCUPYING IN 12H GAVE YOU INSIGHTS REFERRED ABOVE BESIDES THE CLOSE

>>>>>>> ASPECT

>>>>>>>>> OF JUPITER TO THE ASCENDANT AND CONJUNCTION TO 9H AT MOST EFFECTIVE

>>>>>>> POINT.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Nowadays I struggle to exist, materially and mentally. It¹s

>>> really

>>>>>>>>>>> questionable whether I will make it in either. I type from a

>>> very

>>>>>>>>> aged

>>>>>>>>>>> computer, through a phone line that could be turned off in not

>>> too

>>>>>>>>> long,

>>>>>>>>>>> from an apartment I cannot rent even for this coming month. It¹s

>>>>>>>>> almost

>>>>>>>>>>> over.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> IT IS DUE TO THE TRANSIT INFLUENCE OF THE PLANETS IN YOUR NATAL

>>>>> CHART.

>>>>>>> FOR

>>>>>>>>> EXAMPLE AT PRESENT TRANSIT KETU AFFLICTS YOUR NATAL MOON WEAKEN

>>> DUE

>>>>> TO

>>>>>>> ITS

>>>>>>>>> DISPOSITOR AFFLICTED SATURN YOUR MAIN PERIOD LORD TRANSITTING IN

>>>>>>> INFANCY IN

>>>>>>>>> 4H OF WEAK BENEFIC AFFLICTED MOON (KARKA OF EMOTIONS OF ALL TYPES)

>>>>> WITH

>>>>>>> THE

>>>>>>>>> SUB PERIOD LORD JUPITER IN ASSOCIATION WITH TRANSIT SUN

>>> (CONTROLLING

>>>>>>> BRAIN)

>>>>>>>>> AND MARS YOUR LAGNA LORD IN THE MALEFIC 6H OF MERCURY (KARKA OF

>>>>> NERVES

>>>>>>> AND

>>>>>>>>> COMMUNICATIVE CAPABILITIES CONTROLS BY BRAIN) CREATING ALL SORTS

>>> OF

>>>>>>>>> OBSTRUCTIONS AND DIFFICULTIES BESIDES THE AFFLICTION OF RAHU TO

>>> NATAL

>>>>>>>>> JUPITER YOUR SUB PERIOD LORD IN THE TRANSIT OF 6H ARE THE REASONS

>>> OF

>>>>>>>>> PROBLEMS AS DESCRIBED BY YOU. YOU REQUIRE A LOT OF PATIENCE TO LET

>>>>>>> THIS

>>>>>>>>> TRANSIT PASS.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> It is noteworthy in my chart that the moon is slammed by Saturn

>>> in

>>>>>>>>> both

>>>>>>>>>> Rasi

>>>>>>>>>>> and Navamsa, and Saturn is exactly 9th from Venus, and exactly on

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> midheaven, while at the same time Jupiter is exactly 9th from

>>>>> lagna.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> AS PER SA, MOON, SATURN AND JUPITER BESIDES MERCURY, RAHU AND KETU

>>>>> ARE

>>>>>>> ALL

>>>>>>>>> BENEFIC PLANETS BUT WEAK DUE TO ITS DISPOSITORS AND AFFLICTIONS

>>> ETC.

>>>>>>>>> THEREFORE, ABOVE DOES HOLD A LITTLE SIGNIFICANCE WHEN THEY DO

>>>>> INTERACT

>>>>>>> IN

>>>>>>>>> TRANSIT BUT NOT MUCH DUE TO ITS WEAKNESS AS THE WEAK PLANETS CAN

>>> NOT

>>>>>>>>> PROTECT

>>>>>>>>> AND PROMOTE ITS SIGNIFICANCE.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> It's very important, I think, to be able to find the Jyotish

>>>>> 'reasons'

>>>>>>>>> why

>>>>>>>>>> we're suffering in the ways that we are...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> This is the first important part of Jyotish...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> However, even more important than this,....where our suffering is

>>>>>>> coming

>>>>>>>>>> from....

>>>>>>>>>> is the knowledge of how we can strengthen ....in this

>>> case....Sani!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I can admit that I have been experiencing very high sexual lust

>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> decades,

>>>>>>>>>>> up until rather recently. That has been a problem. I am happy

>>> that

>>>>>>>>>> insight

>>>>>>>>>>> is helping finally to see through that one.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> But I suppose more than anything the ³manic² nature of my nervous

>>>>>>>>>> system,

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Dear Mark ji,

This is the strength of Jyotish.

thanks for explaining.......I absorbed this............

 

 

Humbly.

AMIT

 

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

Dear Amit:

 

To me the most important aspect of Jyotish, is that it's preceptions and

prescriptions are all, potentially based on the uniqueness of each person's

individual chart.

 

In other words, the answer for everyone is different, or at least unique to

them.

 

 

The 'truth' or advice, could be the same as another, but this is because

there are similarities, in the charts....

 

 

Nice hearing from you...

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

> amit kumar

> valist

> Sat, 2 Oct 2004 05:08:39 -0700 (PDT)

> valist

> Re: 2-Amar, >

> MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

>

>

> Om,

> dera Mark ji and Amar ji, Das ji and all....

> I would also like to share my experience.....

> I am very novice to this world and also to Jyotish............but not to

> spirituality.

> only spiritual quest derived me to learn jyotish........and it gave me a lot

> of answers.......

> but all this was to my mental ....emotional being ..

> I felt a lot of agony in my emotional being......

> i struggled to adjust myself to the outer world..

> The way people think and behave was always expected from me....

> But keeping myself firm on my faiths and spiritual experiences helped me to

> stand up....

> I practiced Yoga and meditation for some years(for spiritual progress)

> but So many times i found myself a more 'bhakta'....and always found a guiding

> being with me ..inside me.

> with only 7-8 years of spiritual experiences ....but very intense experiences

> i am able to say ....whoever comes to me as a spiritual light makes me

> progress......

> whether it is yoga practices(with all hathyoga practices),Gita,Vedas,believing

> in 'saakar brahma',or in niraakara or everything.....

> i felt everything was a fully ordered step to let me learn the next step.....

> i was pushed to practice freee will and believe in free will,inspire others to

> use their free will at a stage.....

> i was completely against predeterminism at that time.......

> i was seeing free will working and changing everything.....

> at that time whomever astrologer i met predicted totally wrong....

> after that in HIS own way he destroyed all in me......all HIS images...my

> beliefs ,my ways..everything....

> but something remained intact...who was learning..

> all that was working authoritatively,all that was proving itself daily was

> destroyed.

> now HE revealed predeterminism to me.....

> i am very well convinced with all that happened to me

> this was the only way.......I WAS PREPARED BY TEACHING FREE WILL TO LEARN

> PREDETERMINISM......

> i know both exist...but i have to learn a lot..a lot ...a lot....

> how and where both exist....

> The thing i wanted to share with you is..

> "i am always convinced with every path of spiritual progress......

> any one who honestly saying something is true....and works...

> ONLY AT DIFFERENT POINT OF TIME...AT DIFFERENT STAGES ONE NEEDS TO PRACTICE A

> PARTICULAR PATH.......AND IF HE IS ASPIRING TRULY...HE IS GUIDED TO THE RIGHT

> ONE WHICH IS NEEDED AT THAT TIME."

> ...

> this alll is based on my own experiences .......

> I am a very humble student of spirituality and now astrology also..........

> i wish your blessings and guidance..........

>

> regards

> Amit

>

>

> Mark Kincaid wrote:

>

> dear fas:

>

>

>

>

> And to me, all those sorts of differences,......

>

> one takes this road, one takes another....

>

> these are all the beautiful differences and uniquenesses or our charts...

>

> knowing 'those' allows us to take our road, more smoothly....

>

>

> Jai Guru

>

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

>

>> "fas fas"

>> valist

>> Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:01:50 +0000

>> valist

>> RE: 2-Amar, >

>> MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

>>

>> Yes, dear Mark, I agree with the expression, " all roads lead to Rome

>> "..........

>>

>> But, how and what sort of difficulties or without them one arrives at the

>> destination makes the whole world wide difference.

>>

>> Hari Bol.

>>

>> With my best wishes and regards.................Amar Puri.

>>

>>

>>

>>> Mark Kincaid

>>> valist

>>> To:

>>> 2-Amar, >

>>> MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

>>> Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:13:52 -0500

>>>

>>> dear Fas/Amar:

>>>

>>> That's why I like that expression, 'all roads lead to Rome'...

>>>

>>> And why I believe, the Hindu or Vedic ideal of honoring everyone's paths,

>>> is

>>> so powerful, and 'right'....

>>>

>>> I only mention my path, to give expression to my experiences,...

>>> and as I've walked this wonderful Jyotish, path, which helps us all, with

>>> all of our questions....

>>>

>>> we can make the path, sweeter....

>>>

>>> I was just thinking today, Jyotish is especially, profound because it's

>>> able

>>> to answer for people, the details of their questions....

>>>

>>> That's been especially valuable for me, too...

>>>

>>> It's a comfort on the path, to understand 'intellectually',... as well as

>>> spiritually, in faith...

>>> or in consciousness...

>>>

>>> take care

>>>

>>>

>>> all my best

>>>

>>>

>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Founder Starlight Unlimited, a business, promoting Jyotish into all areas

>>> of

>>> life.

>>> Nature's Astrology: / a

>>> ,

>>> looking at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can

>>> encourage

>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology

>>> and new :

>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want more formal

>>> Jyotish.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> "fas fas"

>>>> valist

>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:42:54 +0000

>>>> valist

>>>> RE: 2-Amar, >

>>>> MarkKincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

>>>>

>>>> Hello dear Mark,

>>>>

>>>> Hare Krishna. I must admit that I am not a Philospher. I am a fool

>>> number

>>>> one simply trying to understand Bhagavad Gita. That is why I could not

>>> find

>>>> what type of slightly different take on you have on my message which I

>>> wrote

>>>> as ;

>>>>

>>>> Hello dear Mark,

>>>>

>>>> Hare Krishna.

>>>>

>>>> Only with the knowledge of HOW TO DEVELOP LOVE OF GOD WITH PROPER

>>> SPIRITUAL

>>>> ACTIVITIES can we rise progressively above the Laws of Karma, and learn

>>> to

>>>> surrender to the creator Shri Krishna which is the ultimate goal of

>>> human

>>>> form of life.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS' PURPOSE

>>>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, indeed, understanding one's own chart and transforming life by

>>>> understanding further to develop the devotional service to the Supreme

>>>> Personality of Godhead, Shri Krishna are the key factors in the Human

>>> form

>>>> of life as advised by Shri Krishna HIMSELF in the Bhagavad Gita.

>>>>

>>>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

>>>>

>>>> In my message above, I am quoting simply from the Bhagavad Gita As It

>>> Is

>>>> but your message / answer to my writting is no where to be found in the

>>>> Bhagavad Gita.

>>>>

>>>> Can you please give reference or quote from the Bhagavad Gita in

>>> support to

>>>> what you are saying ?

>>>>

>>>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

>>>>

>>>> With my best wishes.......................Amar Puri.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>> valist

>>>>> To:

>>>>> 2-Amar, >

>>>>> MarkKincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:08:07 -0500

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Amar:

>>>>>

>>>>> I have a slightly different take on what you said, below.

>>>>>

>>>>> My guru, his holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, of tm, fame, has always

>>>>> said...

>>>>>

>>>>> the key to 'enlightenment', is developing pure consciousness, along

>>> with

>>>>> waking, dreaming and sleeping.

>>>>>

>>>>> This is accomplished by regular periods of deep meditation each day.

>>>>>

>>>>> Haveing meditated, now for over 30 years, I can give great testament to

>>>>> that

>>>>> power.

>>>>>

>>>>> As far as God Realization goes, Maharishi says, the first step is

>>> Cosmci

>>>>> Consciousness.

>>>>>

>>>>> Unfolding a steady, constant, inner support of pure consciousness,

>>> then,

>>>>> "find your heart melting in the refinement of Cosmic consciousness, in

>>> God

>>>>> Consciousness."

>>>>>

>>>>> For the Maharishi, devotion is a matter of personal experience.

>>>>>

>>>>> As the mind enters into the finer realms of the Cosmic mind, in

>>> meditation,

>>>>> then, one comes upon, the direct experience of the living, breathing,

>>>>> being,

>>>>> of the Self, of the Universe...

>>>>>

>>>>> each step along the path, towards that wonderful reality, then, melts

>>> the

>>>>> heart, and develps the desire for more Oneness...

>>>>>

>>>>> You may have heard of the Maharishi's great translation of the

>>>>> Bhagavad-gita, which goes into even, a lot more detail about how to

>>> develop

>>>>> Unity & God Consciousness.

>>>>>

>>>>> I like also what you say about Jyotish:

>>>>>

>>>>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS'

>>> PURPOSE

>>>>>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER.

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm reminded too of what my Maharishi has said.

>>>>>

>>>>> "When the aspirant, has investigated into the Nature of Reality, and

>>> has

>>>>> fathomed the Absolute and the Relative, he becomes like an admirer, of

>>> a

>>>>> great Artist.

>>>>>

>>>>> When the Artist, (and in this case, God), hear's the great

>>> appreciations of

>>>>> his art, he wants to meet, such a person....

>>>>>

>>>>> In this case, the Lord God, comes to those, who have developed a keen

>>> eye,

>>>>> and wisdom as to the creation....

>>>>>

>>>>> Jyotish has been like that for me.

>>>>>

>>>>> As I've become more and more knowledgeable, really about every aspect

>>> of

>>>>> it,

>>>>> it's insights and perceptions as to how 'reality' works,....has made me

>>>>> feel

>>>>> like that appreciative, student of art....

>>>>>

>>>>> And now, through this devotion, I find the love of the Creator,

>>> ...growing,

>>>>> and blossoming,....within...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Jai Guru!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Jai Krishna!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Founder Starlight Unlimited, business developed to promote practical

>>>>> applications

>>>>> of Jyotish to every day life.

>>>>> Nature's Astrology: /

>>>>> is a look at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can

>>>>> encourage

>>>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology,

>>>>> and new :

>>>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want more

>>> formal

>>>>> jyotish.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> "fas fas"

>>>>>> valist

>>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:37:07 +0000

>>>>>> valist

>>>>>> RE: 2-Amar, > Mark

>>>>>> Kincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello dear Mark,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hare Krishna.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Only with the knowledge of HOW TO DEVELOP LOVE OF GOD WITH PROPER

>>>>> SPIRITUAL

>>>>>> ACTIVITIES can we rise progressively above the Laws of Karma, and

>>> learn

>>>>> to

>>>>>> surrender to the creator Shri Krishna which is the ultimate goal of

>>>>> human

>>>>>> form of life.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS'

>>> PURPOSE

>>>>>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, indeed, understanding one's own chart and transforming life by

>>>>>> understanding further to develop the devotional service to the Supreme

>>>>>> Personality of Godhead, Shri Krishna are the key factors in the Human

>>>>> form

>>>>>> of life as advised by Shri Krishna HIMSELF in the Bhagavad Gita.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> With my best wishes.....................................Amar Puri.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>> To:

>>>>>>> 2-Amar, > Mark

>>>>>>> Kincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

>>>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0500

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Amar:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> My only addition, to your further thoughts and insights,....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> is once we find the Planets and/or Jyotish configurations, that are

>>>>>>> probably, causeing or reflecting our challenges,...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> then, I believe we should quickly move into what I like to call the

>>>>>>> 'TRANSFORMATIVE' aspect of Jyotish.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We should think there are 2 primary aspects...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> #1 Understanding....our charts.... and

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> #2 Transforming, ....our charts....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> When I first started studying Jyotish, many years ago, you'd pick up

>>>>> any

>>>>>>> book on Jyotish and there might be 195 pages on the 'Jyotish', (or

>>>>>>> Understanding), and then tacked on at the end, almost like an after

>>>>>>> thought,

>>>>>>> would be 5 pages on remedial measures...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Now, I realize, once we find the Jyotish configurations that are

>>>>> probably

>>>>>>> responsible for our sufferings...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> then, let's quickly moves into whatever we can do, to literally,

>>>>>>> strengthen,

>>>>>>> and transform, that 'functionally malefic' situation!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This is my favorite part of Jyotish...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> First because it's sooooo practical,...but

>>>>>>> also because it's the aspect of Jyotish which is so sorely, not

>>>>> practiced,

>>>>>>> enough....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We can also hear in our words and experiences, what Planets are

>>>>> probably

>>>>>>> responsible...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> o Sufferings, losses, grief, sadness, delays, disappointments, and

>>>>>>> frustrations....?....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> A Probably Saturn!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> o Accidents, fights, quarrels, thievery, angry, etc....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> A Probably Mars!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Why it's good to learn to identify the Planet that's causing us our

>>>>>>> hardships?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Because once we find out, then, by directly improving that Planet,

>>> it's

>>>>>>> like

>>>>>>> the Planets represent these unique, power stations, in the body and

>>>>>>> mind,...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> and once we learn to trigger them,....for GOOD!,...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> then, we can make great spiritual changes!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> take care

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Founder Starlight Unlimited, business developed to promote practical

>>>>>>> applications

>>>>>>> of Jyotish to every day life.

>>>>>>> Nature's Astrology: /

>>>>>>> is a look at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can

>>>>>>> encourage

>>>>>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology,

>>>>>>> and new :

>>>>>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want more

>>>>> formal

>>>>>>> jyotish.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "fas fas"

>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:32:34 +0000

>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>> RE: 2-das, > Mark Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

>>>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I wrote in my message earlier;

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> AS PER SA, MOON, SATURN AND JUPITER BESIDES MERCURY, RAHU AND KETU

>>> ARE

>>>>>>> ALL

>>>>>>>> BENEFIC PLANETS BUT WEAK DUE TO ITS DISPOSITORS AND AFFLICTIONS ETC.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Where as it should read;

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> AS PER SA, MOON, SATURN AND JUPITER except MERCURY, RAHU AND KETU

>>>>> which

>>>>>>>> becomes funtional malefics, ARE ALL BENEFIC PLANETS BUT WEAK DUE TO

>>>>> ITS

>>>>>>>> DISPOSITORS AND AFFLICTIONS ETC. in Das's chart.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sorry for the inconvenience. Your comments are welcome.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hari Bol.......................Amar Puri.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "fas fas"

>>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>>> RE: 2-das, > Mark

>>> Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

>>>>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

>>>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:57:22 +0000

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hello dear Mark and List Members,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hare Krishna. I would like to give point of views in CAP. letter

>>>>>>> appended

>>>>>>>>> below Mark's message based on SA. which I am sure it will shed

>>> some

>>>>>>>>> additional insights on Das's chart for further discussion.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hari Bol........................Amar Puri.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>>>> To:

>>>>>>>>>> 2-das, > Mark Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

>>>>>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:11:02 -0500

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Das:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I'm very happy you appreciated the thoughts regarding Sani.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Saturn, to me, represents the hardest part of Jyotish/life.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> IT DEPENDS UPON THE FUNTIONAL NATURE OF THE PLANET ACCORDING TO THE

>>>>>>>>> ASCENDANT. IN DAS'S CHART SHANI IS A FUNCTIONAL BENEFIC WHICH IS

>>>>>>> PROVED BY

>>>>>>>>> THE STATEMENT BELOW BY MARK.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Though I know some people, who have better Sani's in their charts,

>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> they're 'lessons' aren't so extreme.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> YES, IT IS DUE TO THE FUNCTIONAL BENEFIC NATURE OF SANI WHICH LOOKS

>>>>>>> LIKE

>>>>>>>>> UNAFFLICTED BENEFIC SANI IN THAT CHART AS REFERRED ABOVE.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Now, I understand why Astrology calls Saturn, the 'lesson

>>> giver'....

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> See below:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Das Goravani

>>>>>>>>>>> valist

>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:57:05 -0700

>>>>>>>>>>> ,

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> My struggle

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mark K., for your message about Saturn.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I used to be an explosion of activity daily, and it was very

>>>>> focused,

>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> successful. Whatever I attempted worked well. I used to employ

>>>>>>>>> friends,

>>>>>>>>>> got

>>>>>>>>>>> much done, and felt happy. I had faith in Vishnu¹s existence, and

>>>>>>> felt

>>>>>>>>>> clear

>>>>>>>>>>> about just about everything, so I thought.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> When we can see or point to the qualities of our actions, that may

>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>> responsible

>>>>>>>>>> for our present 'griefs',....this is almost the complete ball

>>>>> game...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Those who can't see, or refuse to accept, even when friends, or

>>>>> life,

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> trying to show then,...

>>>>>>>>>> their ...'whys'.... are even more lost....

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Then slowly in Sani Dasha, especially Saturn/Venus, it was taken

>>>>>>> apart

>>>>>>>>>>> inside me. I began to lose faith, then I lost marriage,

>>> businesses,

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>>>> happiness.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> YES, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE AFFLICTED SATURN AND VENUS BY RAHU IN

>>> YOUR

>>>>>>>>> CHART,

>>>>>>>>> DAS PRABHU. SATURN AND VENUS ARE BENEFIC PLANETS IN YOUR CHART BUT

>>>>> DUE

>>>>>>> TO

>>>>>>>>> THE ASPECT OF RAHU, IT BECOMES AFFLICTED AND THE EFFECT FRUCTIFIED

>>>>>>> DURING

>>>>>>>>> THEIR SUB PERIOD AS CONFIRMED ABOVE.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I've already told you my Sani story, and now since I've finally

>>> come

>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> the dark, Saturn tunnel, I can say with more confidence, that....

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> extent

>>>>>>>>>> to which we suffer, is in direct proportion, to how much attention

>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>> need

>>>>>>>>>> to put on Sani, for example.....

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Eventually I got really depressed, more and more. I turned to

>>>>>>>>>>> substances for assistance, on a steady basis.

 

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