2-Amar, >MarkKincaid....9/28....re.....struggles....&Solutions!

September 29, 2004

Dear Mark,

You wrote ;

knowing 'those' allows us to take our road, more smoothly....

My concern ;

knowing 'those' unknown danger and difficulties lies ahead may allow us to

take our road, more smoothly ..................hmmmmm

All glory to Shri Guru and Guranga.

With my best wishes....................Amar Puri.

>Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

>valist

><valist>

>Re: 2-Amar,

> >MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

>Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:12:53 -0500

>

>dear fas:

>

>And to me, all those sorts of differences,......

>

>one takes this road, one takes another....

>

>these are all the beautiful differences and uniquenesses or our charts...

>

>knowing 'those' allows us to take our road, more smoothly....

>

>Jai Guru

>

>Mark K.

>

> > "fas fas" <foreignersassistance

> > valist

> > Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:01:50 +0000

> > valist

> > RE: 2-Amar, >

> > MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

> >

> > Yes, dear Mark, I agree with the expression, " all roads lead to Rome

> > "..........

> >

> > But, how and what sort of difficulties or without them one arrives at

>the

> > destination makes the whole world wide difference.

> >

> > Hari Bol.

> >

> > With my best wishes and regards.................Amar Puri.

> >

> >> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> >> valist

> >> <valist>

> >> 2-Amar, >

> >> MarkKincaid....9/28....re....."struggles"....&Solutions!

> >> Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:13:52 -0500

> >>

> >> dear Fas/Amar:

> >>

> >> That's why I like that expression, 'all roads lead to Rome'...

> >>

> >> And why I believe, the Hindu or Vedic ideal of honoring everyone's

>paths,

> >> is

> >> so powerful, and 'right'....

> >>

> >> I only mention my path, to give expression to my experiences,...

> >> and as I've walked this wonderful Jyotish, path, which helps us all,

>with

> >> all of our questions....

> >>

> >> we can make the path, sweeter....

> >>

> >> I was just thinking today, Jyotish is especially, profound because it's

> >> able

> >> to answer for people, the details of their questions....

> >>

> >> That's been especially valuable for me, too...

> >>

> >> It's a comfort on the path, to understand 'intellectually',... as well

>as

> >> spiritually, in faith...

> >> or in consciousness...

> >>

> >> take care

> >>

> >> all my best

> >>

> >> Mark Kincaid

> >>

> >> Founder Starlight Unlimited, a business, promoting Jyotish into all

>areas

> >> of

> >> life.

> >> Nature's Astrology: / a

> >> ,

> >> looking at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can

> >> encourage

> >> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology

> >> and new :

> >> kincaidmark/ for those who want more

>formal

> >> Jyotish.

> >>

> >>> "fas fas" <foreignersassistance

> >>> valist

> >>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:42:54 +0000

> >>> valist

> >>> RE: 2-Amar, >

> >>> MarkKincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

> >>>

> >>> Hello dear Mark,

> >>>

> >>> Hare Krishna. I must admit that I am not a Philospher. I am a fool

> >> number

> >>> one simply trying to understand Bhagavad Gita. That is why I could

>not

> >> find

> >>> what type of slightly different take on you have on my message which I

> >> wrote

> >>> as ;

> >>>

> >>> Hello dear Mark,

> >>>

> >>> Hare Krishna.

> >>>

> >>> Only with the knowledge of HOW TO DEVELOP LOVE OF GOD WITH PROPER

> >> SPIRITUAL

> >>> ACTIVITIES can we rise progressively above the Laws of Karma, and

>learn

> >> to

> >>> surrender to the creator Shri Krishna which is the ultimate goal of

> >> human

> >>> form of life.

> >>>

> >>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS'

>PURPOSE

> >>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER.

> >>>

> >>> Yes, indeed, understanding one's own chart and transforming life by

> >>> understanding further to develop the devotional service to the Supreme

> >>> Personality of Godhead, Shri Krishna are the key factors in the Human

> >> form

> >>> of life as advised by Shri Krishna HIMSELF in the Bhagavad Gita.

> >>>

> >>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

> >>>

> >>> In my message above, I am quoting simply from the Bhagavad Gita As

>It

> >> Is

> >>> but your message / answer to my writting is no where to be found in

>the

> >>> Bhagavad Gita.

> >>>

> >>> Can you please give reference or quote from the Bhagavad Gita in

> >> support to

> >>> what you are saying ?

> >>>

> >>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

> >>>

> >>> With my best wishes.......................Amar Puri.

> >>>

> >>>> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> >>>> valist

> >>>> <valist>

> >>>> 2-Amar, >

> >>>> MarkKincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

> >>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:08:07 -0500

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Amar:

> >>>>

> >>>> I have a slightly different take on what you said, below.

> >>>>

> >>>> My guru, his holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, of tm, fame, has always

> >>>> said...

> >>>>

> >>>> the key to 'enlightenment', is developing pure consciousness, along

> >> with

> >>>> waking, dreaming and sleeping.

> >>>>

> >>>> This is accomplished by regular periods of deep meditation each day.

> >>>>

> >>>> Haveing meditated, now for over 30 years, I can give great testament

>to

> >>>> that

> >>>> power.

> >>>>

> >>>> As far as God Realization goes, Maharishi says, the first step is

> >> Cosmci

> >>>> Consciousness.

> >>>>

> >>>> Unfolding a steady, constant, inner support of pure consciousness,

> >> then,

> >>>> "find your heart melting in the refinement of Cosmic consciousness,

>in

> >> God

> >>>> Consciousness."

> >>>>

> >>>> For the Maharishi, devotion is a matter of personal experience.

> >>>>

> >>>> As the mind enters into the finer realms of the Cosmic mind, in

> >> meditation,

> >>>> then, one comes upon, the direct experience of the living, breathing,

> >>>> being,

> >>>> of the Self, of the Universe...

> >>>>

> >>>> each step along the path, towards that wonderful reality, then, melts

> >> the

> >>>> heart, and develps the desire for more Oneness...

> >>>>

> >>>> You may have heard of the Maharishi's great translation of the

> >>>> Bhagavad-gita, which goes into even, a lot more detail about how to

> >> develop

> >>>> Unity & God Consciousness.

> >>>>

> >>>> I like also what you say about Jyotish:

> >>>>

> >>>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS'

> >> PURPOSE

> >>>>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT

>ASTROLOGER.

> >>>>

> >>>> I'm reminded too of what my Maharishi has said.

> >>>>

> >>>> "When the aspirant, has investigated into the Nature of Reality, and

> >> has

> >>>> fathomed the Absolute and the Relative, he becomes like an admirer,

>of

> >> a

> >>>> great Artist.

> >>>>

> >>>> When the Artist, (and in this case, God), hear's the great

> >> appreciations of

> >>>> his art, he wants to meet, such a person....

> >>>>

> >>>> In this case, the Lord God, comes to those, who have developed a keen

> >> eye,

> >>>> and wisdom as to the creation....

> >>>>

> >>>> Jyotish has been like that for me.

> >>>>

> >>>> As I've become more and more knowledgeable, really about every aspect

> >> of

> >>>> it,

> >>>> it's insights and perceptions as to how 'reality' works,....has made

>me

> >>>> feel

> >>>> like that appreciative, student of art....

> >>>>

> >>>> And now, through this devotion, I find the love of the Creator,

> >> ...growing,

> >>>> and blossoming,....within...

> >>>>

> >>>> Jai Guru!

> >>>>

> >>>> Jai Krishna!

> >>>>

> >>>> Mark Kincaid

> >>>>

> >>>> Founder Starlight Unlimited, business developed to promote practical

> >>>> applications

> >>>> of Jyotish to every day life.

> >>>> Nature's Astrology: /

> >>>> is a look at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can

> >>>> encourage

> >>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology,

> >>>> and new :

> >>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want more

> >> formal

> >>>> jyotish.

> >>>>

> >>>>> "fas fas" <foreignersassistance

> >>>>> valist

> >>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:37:07 +0000

> >>>>> valist

> >>>>> RE: 2-Amar, > Mark

> >>>>> Kincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hello dear Mark,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hare Krishna.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Only with the knowledge of HOW TO DEVELOP LOVE OF GOD WITH PROPER

> >>>> SPIRITUAL

> >>>>> ACTIVITIES can we rise progressively above the Laws of Karma, and

> >> learn

> >>>> to

> >>>>> surrender to the creator Shri Krishna which is the ultimate goal of

> >>>> human

> >>>>> form of life.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY, AND ITS'

> >> PURPOSE

> >>>>> IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT

>ASTROLOGER.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Yes, indeed, understanding one's own chart and transforming life by

> >>>>> understanding further to develop the devotional service to the

>Supreme

> >>>>> Personality of Godhead, Shri Krishna are the key factors in the

>Human

> >>>> form

> >>>>> of life as advised by Shri Krishna HIMSELF in the Bhagavad Gita.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> With my best wishes.....................................Amar Puri.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> >>>>>> valist

> >>>>>> <valist>

> >>>>>> 2-Amar, > Mark

> >>>>>> Kincaid....9/25....re.....das'....."struggles"....& Solutions!

> >>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0500

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Dear Amar:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> My only addition, to your further thoughts and insights,....

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> is once we find the Planets and/or Jyotish configurations, that are

> >>>>>> probably, causeing or reflecting our challenges,...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> then, I believe we should quickly move into what I like to call the

> >>>>>> 'TRANSFORMATIVE' aspect of Jyotish.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> We should think there are 2 primary aspects...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> #1 Understanding....our charts.... and

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> #2 Transforming, ....our charts....

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> When I first started studying Jyotish, many years ago, you'd pick

>up

> >>>> any

> >>>>>> book on Jyotish and there might be 195 pages on the 'Jyotish', (or

> >>>>>> Understanding), and then tacked on at the end, almost like an after

> >>>>>> thought,

> >>>>>> would be 5 pages on remedial measures...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Now, I realize, once we find the Jyotish configurations that are

> >>>> probably

> >>>>>> responsible for our sufferings...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> then, let's quickly moves into whatever we can do, to literally,

> >>>>>> strengthen,

> >>>>>> and transform, that 'functionally malefic' situation!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> This is my favorite part of Jyotish...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> First because it's sooooo practical,...but

> >>>>>> also because it's the aspect of Jyotish which is so sorely, not

> >>>> practiced,

> >>>>>> enough....

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> We can also hear in our words and experiences, what Planets are

> >>>> probably

> >>>>>> responsible...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> o Sufferings, losses, grief, sadness, delays, disappointments,

>and

> >>>>>> frustrations....?....

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> A Probably Saturn!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> o Accidents, fights, quarrels, thievery, angry, etc....

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> A Probably Mars!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Why it's good to learn to identify the Planet that's causing us our

> >>>>>> hardships?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Because once we find out, then, by directly improving that Planet,

> >> it's

> >>>>>> like

> >>>>>> the Planets represent these unique, power stations, in the body and

> >>>>>> mind,...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> and once we learn to trigger them,....for GOOD!,...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> then, we can make great spiritual changes!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> take care

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Mark Kincaid

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Founder Starlight Unlimited, business developed to promote

>practical

> >>>>>> applications

> >>>>>> of Jyotish to every day life.

> >>>>>> Nature's Astrology:

>/

> >>>>>> is a look at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we

>can

> >>>>>> encourage

> >>>>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology,

> >>>>>> and new :

> >>>>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want more

> >>>> formal

> >>>>>> jyotish.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> "fas fas" <foreignersassistance

> >>>>>>> valist

> >>>>>>> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:32:34 +0000

> >>>>>>> valist

> >>>>>>> RE: 2-das, > Mark

>Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

> >>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I wrote in my message earlier;

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> AS PER SA, MOON, SATURN AND JUPITER BESIDES MERCURY, RAHU AND KETU

> >> ARE

> >>>>>> ALL

> >>>>>>> BENEFIC PLANETS BUT WEAK DUE TO ITS DISPOSITORS AND AFFLICTIONS

>ETC.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Where as it should read;

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> AS PER SA, MOON, SATURN AND JUPITER except MERCURY, RAHU AND KETU

> >>>> which

> >>>>>>> becomes funtional malefics, ARE ALL BENEFIC PLANETS BUT WEAK DUE

>TO

> >>>> ITS

> >>>>>>> DISPOSITORS AND AFFLICTIONS ETC. in Das's chart.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Sorry for the inconvenience. Your comments are welcome.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hari Bol.......................Amar Puri.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> "fas fas" <foreignersassistance

> >>>>>>>> valist

> >>>>>>>> RE: 2-das, > Mark

> >> Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

> >>>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

> >>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:57:22 +0000

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Hello dear Mark and List Members,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Hare Krishna. I would like to give point of views in CAP.

>letter

> >>>>>> appended

> >>>>>>>> below Mark's message based on SA. which I am sure it will shed

> >> some

> >>>>>>>> additional insights on Das's chart for further discussion.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Hari Bol........................Amar Puri.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> >>>>>>>>> valist

> >>>>>>>>> <valist>

> >>>>>>>>> 2-das, > Mark Kincaid....9/24....re.....das'....."

> >>>>>>>>> Mystruggle"....

> >>>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:11:02 -0500

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Dear Das:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I'm very happy you appreciated the thoughts regarding Sani.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Saturn, to me, represents the hardest part of Jyotish/life.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> IT DEPENDS UPON THE FUNTIONAL NATURE OF THE PLANET ACCORDING TO

>THE

> >>>>>>>> ASCENDANT. IN DAS'S CHART SHANI IS A FUNCTIONAL BENEFIC WHICH IS

> >>>>>> PROVED BY

> >>>>>>>> THE STATEMENT BELOW BY MARK.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Though I know some people, who have better Sani's in their

>charts,

> >>>> and

> >>>>>>>>> they're 'lessons' aren't so extreme.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> YES, IT IS DUE TO THE FUNCTIONAL BENEFIC NATURE OF SANI WHICH

>LOOKS

> >>>>>> LIKE

> >>>>>>>> UNAFFLICTED BENEFIC SANI IN THAT CHART AS REFERRED ABOVE.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Now, I understand why Astrology calls Saturn, the 'lesson

> >> giver'....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> See below:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Das Goravani <>

> >>>>>>>>>> valist

> >>>>>>>>>> Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:57:05 -0700

> >>>>>>>>>> <valist>,

> >>>> <dasgoravaniswritings>

> >>>>>>>>>> My struggle

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mark K., for your message about Saturn.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I used to be an explosion of activity daily, and it was very

> >>>> focused,

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> successful. Whatever I attempted worked well. I used to employ

> >>>>>>>> friends,

> >>>>>>>>> got

> >>>>>>>>>> much done, and felt happy. I had faith in Vishnu¹s existence,

>and

> >>>>>> felt

> >>>>>>>>> clear

> >>>>>>>>>> about just about everything, so I thought.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> When we can see or point to the qualities of our actions, that

>may

> >>>>>> have

> >>>>>>>>> been

> >>>>>>>>> responsible

> >>>>>>>>> for our present 'griefs',....this is almost the complete ball

> >>>> game...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Those who can't see, or refuse to accept, even when friends, or

> >>>> life,

> >>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> trying to show then,...

> >>>>>>>>> their ...'whys'.... are even more lost....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Then slowly in Sani Dasha, especially Saturn/Venus, it was

>taken

> >>>>>> apart

> >>>>>>>>>> inside me. I began to lose faith, then I lost marriage,

> >> businesses,

> >>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>> my

> >>>>>>>>>> happiness.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> YES, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE AFFLICTED SATURN AND VENUS BY RAHU IN

> >> YOUR

> >>>>>>>> CHART,

> >>>>>>>> DAS PRABHU. SATURN AND VENUS ARE BENEFIC PLANETS IN YOUR CHART

>BUT

> >>>> DUE

> >>>>>> TO

> >>>>>>>> THE ASPECT OF RAHU, IT BECOMES AFFLICTED AND THE EFFECT

>FRUCTIFIED

> >>>>>> DURING

> >>>>>>>> THEIR SUB PERIOD AS CONFIRMED ABOVE.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I've already told you my Sani story, and now since I've finally

> >> come

> >>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> the dark, Saturn tunnel, I can say with more confidence,

>that....

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> extent

> >>>>>>>>> to which we suffer, is in direct proportion, to how much

>attention

> >>>> we

> >>>>>>>> need

> >>>>>>>>> to put on Sani, for example.....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Eventually I got really depressed, more and more. I turned to

> >>>>>>>>>> substances for assistance, on a steady basis.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Although losing slowly my material and mental stability, I did

> >> gain

> >>>>>>>> more

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> more insight into other things, specifically history as well as

> >>>>>>>>> ³seeing², or

> >>>>>>>>>> psychic ability, astrological ability.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> IT WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT LAGNA LORD MARS CONTROLS THE 8H OF

>CULT

> >>>>>> SCIENCE

> >>>>>>>> OCCUPYING IN 12H GAVE YOU INSIGHTS REFERRED ABOVE BESIDES THE

>CLOSE

> >>>>>> ASPECT

> >>>>>>>> OF JUPITER TO THE ASCENDANT AND CONJUNCTION TO 9H AT MOST

>EFFECTIVE

> >>>>>> POINT.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Nowadays I struggle to exist, materially and mentally. It¹s

> >> really

> >>>>>>>>>> questionable whether I will make it in either. I type from a

> >> very

> >>>>>>>> aged

> >>>>>>>>>> computer, through a phone line that could be turned off in not

> >> too

> >>>>>>>> long,

> >>>>>>>>>> from an apartment I cannot rent even for this coming month.

>It¹s

> >>>>>>>> almost

> >>>>>>>>>> over.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> IT IS DUE TO THE TRANSIT INFLUENCE OF THE PLANETS IN YOUR NATAL

> >>>> CHART.

> >>>>>> FOR

> >>>>>>>> EXAMPLE AT PRESENT TRANSIT KETU AFFLICTS YOUR NATAL MOON WEAKEN

> >> DUE

> >>>> TO

> >>>>>> ITS

> >>>>>>>> DISPOSITOR AFFLICTED SATURN YOUR MAIN PERIOD LORD TRANSITTING IN

> >>>>>> INFANCY IN

> >>>>>>>> 4H OF WEAK BENEFIC AFFLICTED MOON (KARKA OF EMOTIONS OF ALL

>TYPES)

> >>>> WITH

> >>>>>> THE

> >>>>>>>> SUB PERIOD LORD JUPITER IN ASSOCIATION WITH TRANSIT SUN

> >> (CONTROLLING

> >>>>>> BRAIN)

> >>>>>>>> AND MARS YOUR LAGNA LORD IN THE MALEFIC 6H OF MERCURY (KARKA OF

> >>>> NERVES

> >>>>>> AND

> >>>>>>>> COMMUNICATIVE CAPABILITIES CONTROLS BY BRAIN) CREATING ALL SORTS

> >> OF

> >>>>>>>> OBSTRUCTIONS AND DIFFICULTIES BESIDES THE AFFLICTION OF RAHU TO

> >> NATAL

> >>>>>>>> JUPITER YOUR SUB PERIOD LORD IN THE TRANSIT OF 6H ARE THE

>REASONS

> >> OF

> >>>>>>>> PROBLEMS AS DESCRIBED BY YOU. YOU REQUIRE A LOT OF PATIENCE TO

>LET

> >>>>>> THIS

> >>>>>>>> TRANSIT PASS.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> It is noteworthy in my chart that the moon is slammed by Saturn

> >> in

> >>>>>>>> both

> >>>>>>>>> Rasi

> >>>>>>>>>> and Navamsa, and Saturn is exactly 9th from Venus, and exactly

>on

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> midheaven, while at the same time Jupiter is exactly 9th from

> >>>> lagna.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> AS PER SA, MOON, SATURN AND JUPITER BESIDES MERCURY, RAHU AND

>KETU

> >>>> ARE

> >>>>>> ALL

> >>>>>>>> BENEFIC PLANETS BUT WEAK DUE TO ITS DISPOSITORS AND AFFLICTIONS

> >> ETC.

> >>>>>>>> THEREFORE, ABOVE DOES HOLD A LITTLE SIGNIFICANCE WHEN THEY DO

> >>>> INTERACT

> >>>>>> IN

> >>>>>>>> TRANSIT BUT NOT MUCH DUE TO ITS WEAKNESS AS THE WEAK PLANETS CAN

> >> NOT

> >>>>>>>> PROTECT

> >>>>>>>> AND PROMOTE ITS SIGNIFICANCE.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> It's very important, I think, to be able to find the Jyotish

> >>>> 'reasons'

> >>>>>>>> why

> >>>>>>>>> we're suffering in the ways that we are...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> This is the first important part of Jyotish...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> However, even more important than this,....where our suffering

>is

> >>>>>> coming

> >>>>>>>>> from....

> >>>>>>>>> is the knowledge of how we can strengthen ....in this

> >> case....Sani!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I can admit that I have been experiencing very high sexual lust

> >> for

> >>>>>>>>> decades,

> >>>>>>>>>> up until rather recently. That has been a problem. I am happy

> >> that

> >>>>>>>>> insight

> >>>>>>>>>> is helping finally to see through that one.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> But I suppose more than anything the ³manic² nature of my

>nervous

> >>>>>>>>> system,

> >>>>>>>>>> which operates ³hot and fast² is the root cause of my suffering

> >> on

> >>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> material level. This letter sounds cool, but when I leave the

> >>>>>>>> keyboard,

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> mental ³chatter² will resume. I agree that calmness and cool,

> >> slow

> >>>>>>>>> being

> >>>>>>>>>> and thinking is the key for me, as it was for Mark. I have to

> >>>> really

> >>>>>>>>>> struggle to be calm, and act, just act, in a cool thought out

> >>>> manner.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> This struggling is only because we're relatively new to living

> >> from

> >>>>>>>>> silence....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And I, too had a better Jupiter then my Sani, so it was easy to

> >>>> glide,

> >>>>>> on

> >>>>>>>>> the power of Jupiter.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> But, Sani periods, even Sani transits, show us, really, how

> >> powerful

> >>>>>> we

> >>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>> in the particular flavors of 'Saturn',....and when our

> >>>> symptoms....are

> >>>>>>>>> malefic....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> that's nature's way of showing us, how we're doing...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I know it's depressing, even, being depressed,..... but know

> >> this...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> there is a beautiful light at the end of the tunnel...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and the particular Saturn light,....is extremely bright and

> >>>> lovely...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I wouldn't have thought possible, during the first 5 or 6 years

>of

> >>>> my

> >>>>>>>>> Saturn

> >>>>>>>>> Mahadasa,

> >>>>>>>>> but now, after spending a lot of time and energy,....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> studying and then, surrendering to Sani's graces, now...I can

> >>>> say....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> the light is wonderful!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The

> >>>>>>>>>> jumpy, fidgety, freaked out, mumbling, crying, just ³freaking

> >> out²

> >>>>>>>>> mental

> >>>>>>>>>> chatter is really intense, and always with me. That¹s the

> >>>>>> thing...it¹s

> >>>>>>>>>> always there. That¹s what¹s hard for people who lose it. They

> >> hear

> >>>>>>>> too

> >>>>>>>>> much

> >>>>>>>>>> in their heads.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I am trying so many things, including the prescribed things

>like

> >>>>>>>>> Lithium,

> >>>>>>>>>> but in the end these days I¹m coming around to ³it¹s up to me

>to

> >>>> fix

> >>>>>>>>> me².

> >>>>>>>>>> I¹ve called out like crazy but it seems nobody else can fix me.

> >>>> I¹m

> >>>>>>>>> still

> >>>>>>>>>> alone, and more rejected than ever by most who know me. I¹m

> >> poorer

> >>>>>>>> than

> >>>>>>>>>> I¹ve ever been, and have a harder time focusing my mind than I

> >> have

> >>>>>>>> ever

> >>>>>>>>>> had. I really wonder if I will survive much longer generally.

> >> I¹m

> >>>>>>>>> trying.

> >>>>>>>>>> Now I¹ve come around to zero substance, of all types, period. I

> >>>> can¹t

> >>>>>>>>> take

> >>>>>>>>>> it anymore. It¹s an impediment for sure.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I would say in all honesty, at the risk of being judged, that I

> >>>> have

> >>>>>>>>> been

> >>>>>>>>>> given much, and the price tag is the appearance of suffering.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> You have been given, 'much' means you've deserved it...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Your great Jupiter, in Sagittarius, lord of the 9th, in the 9th

>is

> >>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>> an

> >>>>>>>>> amazing....Yoga!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Like me, and I had a better Jupiter too, Jupiter in Pisces, in

>my

> >>>>>> 6th....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> But, taking on the challenge of Saturn....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> will mean, once you get out of the dark tunnel, and into Sani's

> >>>>>> light...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> you'll have more compassion, and joy, ...especially for

> >>>>>>>> others,....because

> >>>>>>>>> you've been there...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> You'll make an especially, heart warming teacher,....with that

> >>>>>>>>> experience....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I say

> >>>>>>>>>> appearance because on one level I¹m not suffering. On an inner

> >>>>>> level,

> >>>>>>>>> I¹m

> >>>>>>>>>> overjoyed, because I have been allowed to see through the

> >> illusion.

> >>>>>>>> Not

> >>>>>>>>> only

> >>>>>>>>>> a spiritual vision, but even subtle material seeing is mine. I

> >>>> think

> >>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>> order to be in that world, you cannot be in this other one,

>this

> >>>> dull

> >>>>>>>>> one of

> >>>>>>>>>> money making, surviving, rising in material goods and life, and

> >> so

> >>>>>> on.

> >>>>>>>>> It¹s

> >>>>>>>>>> kindof one or the other. The more you go one way, the more you

> >> lose

> >>>>>> on

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> other side.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Again, your great Jupiter is responsible for this great gift....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and you've created that, and therefore deserve it too....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Though gratitude, towards life, or other Gurus, for helping

>us....

> >>>> can

> >>>>>> be

> >>>>>>>>> appropriate...

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I can see all of Western history from Rome forward in sweeping

> >>>> arrays

> >>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> mindsets and attitude changes, right on up to the present, and

> >> that

> >>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> really special to me. I can see what has formed the people

>around

> >>>> me,

> >>>>>>>>> from a

> >>>>>>>>>> historical viewpoint, and that is amazing. So it¹s not all

> >>>>>> suffering.

> >>>>>>>>> But

> >>>>>>>>>> it¹s hard to care about the mundane with such a mind. I wish I

> >> was

> >>>>>>>>> secure

> >>>>>>>>>> somewhere materially, so that I could go on with what I do

>well,

> >>>>>> which

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> study, write, art, talk to others. In person, people find me

> >>>>>>>>> interesting. I

> >>>>>>>>>> would like to teach young people, say high school, or better,

> >>>>>> college,

> >>>>>>>>> about

> >>>>>>>>>> Western history and Spirituality.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I do struggle, right now today, for my sanity. This is very

>hard.

> >>>>>>>> Mental

> >>>>>>>>>> dis-ease, is very hard. It actually is quite painful, and you

> >>>> cannot

> >>>>>>>>>> understand this unless you¹ve had it. To the extent that you

> >> have

> >>>>>>>> ³gone

> >>>>>>>>>> mad² yourself, only to that extent can you imagine the mental

> >>>> anquish

> >>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> another who suffers in that way. It¹s something you cannot

> >>>> explain.

> >>>>>>>> It

> >>>>>>>>> must

> >>>>>>>>>> be experienced. People who work in mental health with those

>who

> >>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> screaming in paranoia, fear and complete pain, cutting

>themselves

> >>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> wanting to die, freaking out is hysteria, sweat, tears, and so

> >>>>>>>>> on...those

> >>>>>>>>>> workers too have some idea. But for those of us in it, or

> >>>> struggling

> >>>>>>>>>> against the demon of insanity, we alone know that it is PAIN,

>and

> >>>> not

> >>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>> ³weird thinking². It¹s extremely painful to feel that you are

>on

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> wrong

> >>>>>>>>>> planet, or imprisoned in a body, really feel that, or feel that

> >> you

> >>>>>>>> will

> >>>>>>>>> be

> >>>>>>>>>> persecuted to the point of death, etc. It¹s extremely painful.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I can see that the world is boiling in a reactionary stew of

> >> karmic

> >>>>>>>> war.

> >>>>>>>>>> Because one time someone hurt someone else, the echo of that

>goes

> >>>>>> down

> >>>>>>>>>> through the generations of persons on both sides of that

>original

> >>>>>>>> battle

> >>>>>>>>> or

> >>>>>>>>>> hurt. Everyone is born with a problem in them, a grudge, a

> >> mental

> >>>>>>>>> problem,

> >>>>>>>>>> an attitude, and the war goes on. It makes me appreciate how

> >>>> Jesus¹s

> >>>>>>>>>> solution was ³turn the other cheek² and ³Love your enemy².

> >>>>>> Somewhere,

> >>>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>> other words, along the line of history, we have to put the past

> >> to

> >>>>>>>> rest

> >>>>>>>>> by

> >>>>>>>>>> forgiveness. We have to stop the karmicly rich battles that

>just

> >>>>>>>>> continue

> >>>>>>>>>> the pain and suffering.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The chuckles I get internally because of my intense ability to

> >> see

> >>>>>>>>> truth,

> >>>>>>>>>> see through the illusion, are welcomed and fun and nice. The

> >> price

> >>>>>>>> tag

> >>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> this vision is not at all nice. I have to live with both.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Just don't forget, it's not your wonderful 'ability to see

> >>>>>>>> truth',...that's

> >>>>>>>>> the problem,..

> >>>>>>>>> it's not having quite enough wisdom, yet, of Saturn.... that's

> >>>>>>>>> responsible...for the sufferings...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Maybe what you're also meaning is perhaps, because the two,

> >> Jupiter

> >>>> &

> >>>>>>>>> Saturn

> >>>>>>>>> are so close,

> >>>>>>>>> that you thought the wisdom of the one, was enough....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I think that was true, a little for me...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Because of my 'ok' Jupiter,....in Pisces in 6th, looking at my

> >> Moon,

> >>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>> Saturn, in the 12th....

> >>>>>>>>> I remember thinking .... my love of God....was soooo intense,

> >> ....it

> >>>>>>>> should

> >>>>>>>>> be enough...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> That's why it was particularly hard for me to see, the source of

> >> my

> >>>>>>>>> sufferings for so long...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> That's where Jyotish helped me emmensely......

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Learning that we have both a Jupiter and a Saturn,....sense, or

> >>>> parts

> >>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> us....helped me see, yes, I'm okay, with Jupiter but not strong

> >>>> enough

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>> Saturn's wisdoms....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> When I see an ad that shows a pretty blonde and says ³Get the

> >> home

> >>>> or

> >>>>>>>>> car of

> >>>>>>>>>> your dreams² etc., I see history so clearly, and the attitudes

>of

> >>>>>>>>> conquest,

> >>>>>>>>>> plunder and greed that were a part of the blonde history since

> >> the

> >>>>>>>> dawn

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> that race¹s departure from Scandinavia. It¹s so very clear.

>And

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> ³American Dream² is based on that mainly ³Engle² view of life.

> >>>> It¹s

> >>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> view held by Indian Brahmins, for example, or Muslims, or many

> >>>>>> others.

> >>>>>>>>> It¹s

> >>>>>>>>>> particularly of a certain race, and that race rules the world.

>I

> >>>> can

> >>>>>>>>>> establish this historically clearly, I believe.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> When I see many Americans in their huge SUV¹s despite waning

> >>>> supplies

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> rising prices of petrol, I cannot believe how this attitude

>lives

> >>>> on

> >>>>>>>>> today.

> >>>>>>>>>> But it does. I stand on the street these days, dressed like

> >>>>>>>> Braveheart,

> >>>>>>>>>> holding a ³Vote for Kerry² sign, and these people give me the

> >> bird

> >>>>>>>> (flip

> >>>>>>>>> me

> >>>>>>>>>> off) (insult me). They do not understand that THEY are the

> >>>>>>>> terrorists,

> >>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>>> the Muslims. They have always been the terrorists, and still

> >> are.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> As we torture Iraq for no good reason except greed and fear,

>led

> >> by

> >>>>>>>>>> businessmen who are unbelievably insensitive, uncaring,

> >>>> unspiritual,

> >>>>>>>>>> irreligious, and simply bad demons, my mental suffering

> >> increases.

> >>>>>>>> The

> >>>>>>>>>> world has enough for all of us, but not our greed. So when I

>see

> >>>> fat

> >>>>>>>>>> American republicans in their SUV¹s, I suffer. I suffer to be

>an

> >>>>>>>>> American

> >>>>>>>>>> nowadays, under Bush. It¹s awful.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I suffer that the teachings of Christ are used by these people

>as

> >>>> if

> >>>>>>>>> THEY

> >>>>>>>>>> are Christians. What a joke. The cross used to be a symbol

>used

> >>>> ³by

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> little oppressed ones² to show their solidarity with those who

> >> are

> >>>>>>>>> killed by

> >>>>>>>>>> Rome, the all powerful oppressor... Now it¹s often the symbol

>of

> >>>> rich

> >>>>>>>>> white

> >>>>>>>>>> so called Christians like Bush. Bush-Shite!

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> God Bless America. This term makes me suffer. God, if He

> >> exists,

> >>>>>>>> will

> >>>>>>>>>> bless whomever he chooses, and I predict that Iraq will

> >> eventually

> >>>>>>>> fall

> >>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>> ³those Muslim insurgent terrorists² just as Vietnam fell to

>those

> >>>> who

> >>>>>>>>> REALLY

> >>>>>>>>>> live there.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> By the way, I see America as the terrorists, and the

>³Insurgents,

> >>>>>>>>>> terrorists² as Bush calls them, as homeboys (Arabs) trying to

> >> stop

> >>>> a

> >>>>>>>>> massive

> >>>>>>>>>> Roman army from constantly bombarding their homelands,

> >> threatening

> >>>>>>>> their

> >>>>>>>>>> safety, threatening their temples, religious leaders, way of

> >> life,

> >>>>>>>> right

> >>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>> practice their way of life, etc., just as the ancient Celts

>tried

> >>>> to

> >>>>>>>>> fight

> >>>>>>>>>> off Rome. When you are bombed from above by invisible

>airplanes,

> >>>> and

> >>>>>>>>> you

> >>>>>>>>>> yourself have no such technology or organized army because you

> >>>> spent

> >>>>>>>>> your

> >>>>>>>>>> life on other things... Of course you resort to guerilla

>tactics.

> >>>>>>>>> America

> >>>>>>>>>> did this against Britain in the early days. Has our president

>and

> >>>> has

> >>>>>>>>> our

> >>>>>>>>>> country forgotten that we too, as a country, were ³terrorists².

> >> We

> >>>>>>>>>> supported French ³Terrorists² against the Hitler regime. We

> >>>> support

> >>>>>>>>> them in

> >>>>>>>>>> many countries, including all over Africa, South America, and

>in

> >>>> Arab

> >>>>>>>>>> Nations as well.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> All of this makes me suffer. I ponder it and I go into

>insanity.

> >> I

> >>>>>>>>> cannot

> >>>>>>>>>> NOT think about it. Practically I suffer FOR the world. I

>feel

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> pain of

> >>>>>>>>>> others, and understand them. I sympathize. Then I cannot

>work.

> >> I

> >>>>>>>> can

> >>>>>>>>> only

> >>>>>>>>>> do art, or protest, or cry.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps it is your Moon, in the good 11th house, that makes you

> >>>>>> sensitive

> >>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>> others...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Or maybe it's the good Jupiter, that really is very

>compassionate,

> >>>> by

> >>>>>>>>> nature....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Whatever the reason,.... feeling compassion,

> >>>>>>>>> but not being able to maintain your own bliss.....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> are two different things...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Compassion, and sensitivity, even empathy, ....are very

> >> important...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> but we need to be established in our Oneness, inside,.... like a

> >>>>>>>> Christ....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and then we'll be even much more help to others....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> How can I work to maintain a life when there is

> >>>>>>>>>> nothing but pain and misinformation all around me,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We can work to maintain, .....and create our lives....

> >>>>>>>>> because this is what we, and everyone needs to do....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> This is the Saturn way, to do one's responsibilities, to do what

> >>>> needs

> >>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>> be

> >>>>>>>>> done, each day...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And as we do those simple things,...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> to bed on time,

> >>>>>>>>> up early...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> good daily activity,...

> >>>>>>>>> eating in time,...

> >>>>>>>>> etc....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> then, Saturn grows positively,....stronger...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and the mistakes of

> >>>>>>>>>> history still being made everywhere, especially my pet peeve

> >> which

> >>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> WASP attempt to constantly tell everyone else that they are

>Shite

> >>>> and

> >>>>>>>>> WASP

> >>>>>>>>>> ways alone are good such as ³We have to help the world be

> >>>>>> democratic².

> >>>>>>>>>> Bush-Shite. We don¹t have to inflict our government on anyone.

> >>>> That

> >>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> NOT

> >>>>>>>>>> our duty. That¹s a cover up for grasping wealth in other

>lands.

> >>>>>>>> That¹s

> >>>>>>>>>> all. Has Bush ever read the Quor¹an? I doubt it.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I do not hate Muslims. I do not hate Arabs. I do not hate

>Iraq.

> >>>> And

> >>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>> don¹t

> >>>>>>>>>> think Muslim boys fighting to get Americans and American ways

>out

> >>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> their

> >>>>>>>>>> lands are ³terrorists². I think they are brave guerilla

>warriors

> >>>>>>>>> fighting

> >>>>>>>>>> for what they believe, and their ways, their rights, and their

> >>>> lands,

> >>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>> as my ancestors did against the invasion of the outsiders who

> >>>> simply

> >>>>>>>>> wanted

> >>>>>>>>>> to plunder and control.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> This is why Jesus was for the little guy, the meek, the

> >>>> downtrodden,

> >>>>>>>>>> oppressed, but good people. Same with other great, really

>great,

> >>>>>>>>> leaders,

> >>>>>>>>>> not the awful and cruel leaders, who are just about wealth,

> >> power,

> >>>>>>>>> control,

> >>>>>>>>>> and are personally uneducated and insensitive.

> >>>>>>>>> \

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I think Christ was for the meek, 'guy', because in meekness is

> >>>>>>>>> 'innocence',....and learning needs receptivity....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> My Guru, has this great expression, too, he says in his

> >> translation

> >>>> of

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> gita:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> "Until a seeker of truth, gets tired of doing it their own way,

> >>>>>> knowledge

> >>>>>>>>> never comes...."

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Now, I know this receptivity,....whether it comes to a poor, or

> >> rich

> >>>>>>>>> person....is soooo vital...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> With all of this in my head, I hardly am concerned anymore with

> >> my

> >>>>>>>>> personal

> >>>>>>>>>> survival, wealth, etc. I understand why the likes of Jesus,

> >>>>>> Caitanya,

> >>>>>>>>>> Verkingetorix, Boudika, Gandhi, and many many others, just gave

> >> up

> >>>>>>>>>> possessions and took to wandering and teaching, or fighting

> >> against

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> oppressor. It¹s way more noble than participating in the ocean

> >> of

> >>>>>>>>>> stupidity, greed, and support of tyrannical empires and

>emporers.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> So whatever my chart is, this is what it produces. I used to

> >> want

> >>>> to

> >>>>>>>>> work

> >>>>>>>>>> through the system, and I did, for a long time, but now it has

> >>>> grown

> >>>>>>>>> hard.

> >>>>>>>>>> I am extremely challenged by my material circumstances. I do

>not

> >>>> know

> >>>>>>>> if

> >>>>>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>>> can survive. I feel the impending encroachment of homelessness.

> >>>> It¹s

> >>>>>>>>> scary.

> >>>>>>>>>> I struggle for my sanity because I so much want to help stop

>the

> >>>>>>>>> insanity

> >>>>>>>>>> and suffering of peoples, wars, governments, etc., as mentioned

> >>>>>> above,

> >>>>>>>>> but

> >>>>>>>>>> don¹t know how, feel powerless to do so, and thus, I suffer.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Just focus on enlivening more....Saturn....steadiness....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Out of Saturn.... quietness..... peace and even bliss....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> comes the special integration of rest with activity..... which

> >> makes

> >>>>>> life

> >>>>>>>>> feel grand....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Right now, today, I will struggle against ³insanity². It

>hurts.

> >> I

> >>>>>>>> will

> >>>>>>>>>> ponder all of the above. I cannot stop that it seems. I cannot

> >> stop

> >>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>> be

> >>>>>>>>>> happy just taking care of myself. I never lived for myself.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We never live, just for us alone.... but we need to be able to

> >> focus

> >>>>>> on

> >>>>>>>>> 'us'

> >>>>>>>>> sometimes...

> >>>>>>>>> when that's especially rocky....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Taking care of 'self',....is #1,....and once doing that....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and it can be enough to just have a great meditation, program in

> >> the

> >>>>>>>>> morning...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> then, we can focus on others.....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> but....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Now I am alone,

> >>>>>>>>>> and need to ³just take care of my own business², but that never

> >>>>>>>>> interested

> >>>>>>>>>> me.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And perhaps,....nature is telling,.....you ....you need to have

> >> more

> >>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>> special....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> bliss...of aloneness,..... which isn't lonely....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> but is really internal....bliss....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I joined Hare Krishna at 19, giving up a good life to do so,

> >> hoping

> >>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>> ³save the world². I¹ve always been this way. I am afraid, I

> >> hurt,

> >>>> I

> >>>>>>>>> cry,

> >>>>>>>>>> right now, today, right now, this minute. I will try to work on

> >> my

> >>>>>>>>> business,

> >>>>>>>>>> and make money, but the lonliness and seeming stupidity of my

> >>>>>> personal

> >>>>>>>>>> choices and existence as judged by my pennilessness and

> >>>>>> friendlessness

> >>>>>>>>>> weighs on me.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Personal loneliness, isolation....and sadness due to Moon/Sani,

>in

> >>>> my

> >>>>>>>> 12th,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> YES, DAS PRABHU, YOU HAVE SAID IT RIGHT ABOVE, IT IS DUE TO THE

> >>>>>> UNAFFLICTED

> >>>>>>>> STRONG JUPITER IN ISOLATION IN HIS OWN M/T SIGN AND YOUR LAGNA

>LORD

> >>>>>> ALSO

> >>>>>>>> UNAFFLICTED IN 12H OF JUPITER GIVES YOU THE FEELINGS,

>UNDERSTANDING

> >>>>>>>> SPIRITUALITY AND LOTS OF COURAGE TO CARRY ON YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE.

> >>>>>> THAT'S

> >>>>>>>> Y O U, DAS PRABHU.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> ....

> >>>>>>>>> was also my path....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> but after my 2nd failed marriage,....I finally accepted,

> >>>> ....something

> >>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>> had

> >>>>>>>>> been feeling...

> >>>>>>>>> and that was....perhaps....nature wanted me to learn to be

>happy,

> >> by

> >>>>>>>>> myself....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> first...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and so, I took a deep breath,....began to

> >>>> face.....that....awkward....

> >>>>>>>> very

> >>>>>>>>> difficult,...

> >>>>>>>>> lack of internal center....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and push past...that....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> spending more time, to rest,...to meditate...

> >>>>>>>>> and be....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And slowly, and surely....each day that I meditated....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I began to see, that ....that bliss was there,...inside....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> only my small Moon, had a hard time,.... seeing it....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> So, I worked on my Moon too.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The Moon cycle, watching the Moon, waxings and Wanings...each

> >>>> day.....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> helped me a lot to be more intune with the Moon, too!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> My neighbors stare at me in my funny dress, blue body paint,

> >>>>>>>>>> and weird vehicle with strange messages painted onto it. I feel

> >>>>>> alone.

> >>>>>>>>> Even

> >>>>>>>>>> my so called friends fear me and avoid me. It¹s very painful.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> My heroes, the men and woman I respect, nearly all of them died

> >> in

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> jails

> >>>>>>>>>> of their own countries, or the oppressors, or were assasinated

>by

> >>>>>>>> their

> >>>>>>>>> own

> >>>>>>>>>> governments, or committed suicide to avoid capture, etc., or

> >> lived

> >>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>> ³insanity² waiting to die. As Swami Bhaktivendanta said ³This

> >>>> world

> >>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> no

> >>>>>>>>>> place for a gentleman².

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> In ancient Rome, people loved to watch animals, slaves,

> >> Christians,

> >>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> other victims of their empire get tortured and killed in the

> >> arena.

> >>>>>>>>>> Christian martyrs arose out of that, and even struck some

> >> thinking

> >>>>>>>> into

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> dulled Roman heads about their evil ways. Todays ³reality

>shows²

> >>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> similar to the ³arena games² of the Romans. It¹s sick. The

> >>>>>>>> consumption,

> >>>>>>>>>> greed, stupidity, dullness, insensitivity of Roman ways during

> >> it¹s

> >>>>>>>> fall

> >>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> completely apparent in America today. Because of this, again

>the

> >>>>>>>>> opposite

> >>>>>>>>>> will arise from within it, and eventually this will destroy it.

> >> The

> >>>>>>>>> slaves

> >>>>>>>>>> (the poor people) will rise, new religions will rise, and real

> >>>>>>>>> sacrifices

> >>>>>>>>>> will be made, and America, the ugly version of today, will come

> >>>>>>>> tumbling

> >>>>>>>>>> down.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Knowing this, how can I not suffer. For the battle for a new

> >>>>>>>>> righteousness

> >>>>>>>>>> in America has not yet become totally apparent to the masses,

>the

> >>>>>>>> battle

> >>>>>>>>> has

> >>>>>>>>>> not become overtly begun, and I am poor, and I am alone, and my

> >>>> mind

> >>>>>>>>> races,

> >>>>>>>>>> my age increases, disinterest increases, therefore how can I

>not

> >>>>>>>> suffer?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We can,...and should not suffer!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> because this isn't the lesson of life!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Life is Bliss!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> It's eternal, immortal,...and the living presence of a divine

> >>>>>> essence...

> >>>>>>>>> which curses, and pervades every particle and fabric of

>us,....and

> >>>>>>>>> everything...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Not feeling that bliss...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> when it's all around us....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> is the real loss in the world...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And those of us, who are interested in 'spirit' in this life...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> bringing more of 'that',...into our selves...and this world...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> is a great pupose!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Being a teacher of the 9th house bliss,.... is not just the

> >>>> knowledge

> >>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> Spirit...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> which Jupiter in Sagittarius, very much represents....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> but, 9th House also represents the 'spirit' or Consciousness of

> >>>>>>>>> Spirituality,....too...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And you need to be that 'bliss', to be a great teacher....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And Saturn will help you find that bliss!!!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> :

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Really maturing as a soul in this world means to come to the

> >> point

> >>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> being

> >>>>>>>>>> a spirit over matter. It doesn¹t feel ³comfy² for the body

> >> always.

> >>>>>> In

> >>>>>>>>> fact,

> >>>>>>>>>> it often feels ³uncomfy² for the dear body of nerves and flesh.

>I

> >>>> am

> >>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>> lush

> >>>>>>>>>> (Venus in the first), but I cannot let that over-rule the

> >> spiritual

> >>>>>>>>> warrior

> >>>>>>>>>> part of me. So I fear very much, the austerities that I feel

> >> quite

> >>>>>>>>> confident

> >>>>>>>>>> will be mine alone to enjoy (sarcasm).

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Simply speaking the truth as I do is enough to get you a good

> >> dose

> >>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> austerity in the form of criticism and lonliness, as one must

>go

> >>>>>> along

> >>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>> the lie to maintain a good material life here in the heart of

>the

> >>>>>> evil

> >>>>>>>>>> empire.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Since I can¹t lie, I stand out in the evil empire. I cannot go

> >>>> along

> >>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>> it.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Now the Hitler like government of Bush-Cheney-Ashcroft are

>making

> >>>>>>>>> America

> >>>>>>>>>> such that you CANNOT LIKE Muslims without being called a

> >>>> sympathizer

> >>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>> the enemy. They watch emails through their computer monitoring

> >>>>>>>> systems,

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> anyone who is OK with Muslims, or says anything Pro-Iraq, etc.,

> >> is

> >>>>>>>>> labeled

> >>>>>>>>>> an enemy-sympathizer. The Nazi-ism has begun. They are taking

> >> away

> >>>>>>>> our

> >>>>>>>>>> rights in this country, and making it another Totalitarian

>state,

> >>>> as

> >>>>>>>>> they

> >>>>>>>>>> always strive to do (that particular strain of humans who are

> >>>>>>>>> unfortunately

> >>>>>>>>>> currently in power, again).

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> So if you think, and are honest, you are an enemy sympathizer.

>In

> >>>>>>>> order

> >>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>> be ³free² in the empire, you must agree with all their

> >> Bush-Shite,

> >>>>>>>> which

> >>>>>>>>>> means, you have to stay stupid, and hate others who never did

> >>>>>> anything

> >>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>> you. And please, do not 911 me. That¹s NOTHING compared to

>what

> >>>>>> we¹ve

> >>>>>>>>> done

> >>>>>>>>>> to them, and to MANY other free nations. Besides, it is

>clearly

> >>>>>> known

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> documented for any thinking person to see that Bu$h is in bed

> >> with

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> Bin

> >>>>>>>>>> Ladden family in internation arms dealing, and the $audi

> >> government

> >>>>>>>> too.

> >>>>>>>>> So

> >>>>>>>>>> don¹t 911 me. All these families make money off that event,

> >>>> through

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> ensuing use of weapons and arms deals etc. It¹s as sick as

>could

> >>>> be.

> >>>>>>>>> It¹s

> >>>>>>>>>> demonic. It¹s VE$RY EV$IL.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Once during my best financial times, an acquaintance commented

>to

> >> a

> >>>>>>>>> friend

> >>>>>>>>>> of mine that I didn¹t buy a nice car, even though I could have.

> >>>>>> Thank

> >>>>>>>>> you.

> >>>>>>>>>> Enough said. It was never the aim of my life to ³enjoy² here

> >> like

> >>>>>>>> that.

> >>>>>>>>> I¹m

> >>>>>>>>>> so glad I never participated in the stupidity of outright

> >> material

> >>>>>>>> lust

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> greed. I am so glad I was always focused on trying to spread

> >> good

> >>>>>>>>> things,

> >>>>>>>>>> like spiritual knowledge, and I¹m glad I gave up my youth for

> >>>> Krishna

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> Caitanya. I have no regrets there. I fear only the pain of my

> >>>> coming

> >>>>>>>>> times,

> >>>>>>>>>> because I cannot imagine the evil empire will leave me alone,

> >>>> because

> >>>>>>>> my

> >>>>>>>>>> mouth won¹t leave them alone, and they don¹t like being

>revealed.

> >>>>>>>> Since

> >>>>>>>>> they

> >>>>>>>>>> come from and live by darkness of ignorance, they dislike the

> >>>>>>>> flashlight

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> truth and they attack the mouth which shines it forth.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I am sorry for my many mistakes. I realize I¹m still making

>more

> >> of

> >>>>>>>>> them.

> >>>>>>>>>> If you can somehow save me from my pain, feel free (sarcastic

> >>>>>> approach

> >>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>> genuine hope for relief). I wish I could believe it¹s a sunny

> >> day.

> >>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>> wish

> >>>>>>>>>> I could regain some of the happiness I used to feel. I am

>afraid

> >> I

> >>>>>>>>> won¹t

> >>>>>>>>>> because I¹m afraid that so long as their is this large scale

>evil

> >>>>>>>> going

> >>>>>>>>> on

> >>>>>>>>>> in the form of disinformation, greed, exploitation, and so on,

>I

> >>>>>> won¹t

> >>>>>>>>> be

> >>>>>>>>>> able to rest easy. I can¹t think ³it¹s just the world¹s karma,

> >> and

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> little innocents in Iraq for example are SUPPOSED to die and

>BU$H

> >>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> SUPPOSED to dish it out to them². It¹s not a restful ideology

>to

> >>>> me

> >>>>>>>>> though

> >>>>>>>>>> it¹s been preached to me by many fellow so called Vaisnavas and

> >>>>>>>>> Astrologers

> >>>>>>>>>> alike. I tend to want to speak out against it, which brings

>the

> >>>> big

> >>>>>>>>> guns

> >>>>>>>>>> down upon you.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> In summary, Jupiter smiled upon my birth intensely. Thank you

> >> God,

> >>>>>> you

> >>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> with me. Saturn too was present in a big way (pun), and said,

> >> but

> >>>>>>>> your

> >>>>>>>>> work

> >>>>>>>>>> will make you suffer...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> It's not Jupiter, that makes us 'suffer', it's Saturn.....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And it's not really Sani that makes us suffer,

>but....'us',...what

> >>>> is

> >>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>> saying...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> oh, yes, 'ignorance is no excuse under the law.....you break the

> >>>> law,

> >>>>>> you

> >>>>>>>>> suffer accordingly...'

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> One of the greatest things I've learned from Saturn,.....is that

> >>>> life,

> >>>>>>>>> in-tune with Nature, is a lot more fun, then, straining, or

>being

> >>>> out

> >>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> tune....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Saturn, represents the wisdom of that in-tune...ment....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Sani represents stillness, and quietness, yes.... but also

> >> being...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Saturn only acts up, when we don't 'act'.....with enough

> >> silence...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I was born in Sade Sat, I was born with a very challenging Moon

> >>>>>>>>> w/Saturn....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and it wasn't until I learned to meditate, that the intense,

> >> 'grief'

> >>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>> felt every day, started to be less....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And then, it wasn't until I learned Jyotish, where I learned

>that,

> >>>>>> 'I',

> >>>>>>>>> personally, needed even more Saturn silence, then I thought,....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and when I surrendered to 'that',....to Sani,....then,...my life

> >>>>>>>>> finally,....turned around...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I have to say, the last 7 years have been the happiest of my

> >> life...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and me, still in Saturn Mahadasa....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Now, I realize....Sani wants us to have one foot completely,

> >> still,

> >>>>>>>>> in...silence.....while the other,... Jupiter one...moves

> >> forward....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> then, they shift,....and the other foot, needs to become saturn

> >>>> like,

> >>>>>>>>> still,

> >>>>>>>>> and the previous foot becomes the expansive, Jupiter foot!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> what Jupiter places in you, will make you suffer.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> This is the real meaning of my ninth house. You cannot have

>that

> >>>>>>>> strong

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> a Jupiter in this world WITHOUT Saturn coming along for the

>ride.

> >>>>>>>> That¹s

> >>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> fact. So it is in my chart. That¹s a SPIRITUAL Jupiter, not a

> >>>>>>>>>> materialistic one, as some others have very nicely. Mine is

> >>>>>>>>>> religious/spiritual. So Saturn HAS to come, because the evil

> >>>> empire

> >>>>>>>>> still

> >>>>>>>>>> exists, and a strong Spiritual Jupiter will ALWAYS be the key

> >> enemy

> >>>>>>>> they

> >>>>>>>>>> seek to squash, so that the masses will remain their slaves

>with

> >> no

> >>>>>>>> real

> >>>>>>>>>> knowledge of their own souls.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Well said, and realizing....just how to allow more wisdom of

> >>>>>> Saturn,...to

> >>>>>>>>> come into your life...

> >>>>>>>>> will greatly help that house...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> There is this tension between Sani & Jupiter, anyway, because

> >>>> they're

> >>>>>>>> sooo

> >>>>>>>>> different, but then, you put them into the same house, or as in

>my

> >>>>>> case,

> >>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>> opposite houses, and their perspectives strongly influence each

> >>>>>> other....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> In other words, progess and expansion, will then depend more

> >>>> strongly

> >>>>>> on

> >>>>>>>>> how

> >>>>>>>>> balanced Sani, especially is....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> In your chart, 'das', Jupiter is the benefic, and Saturn is the

> >>>>>> hindering

> >>>>>>>>> influence...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> but, this is just so you learn to understand, trust,

> >>>> surrender,...and

> >>>>>>>> grow

> >>>>>>>>> in Sani's special wisdom.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> As you do that even more and more, especially on a

> >> non-intellectual,

> >>>>>>>>> physical, nervous system, level....then Sani....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> will turn around and become benefic!

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> What a joy that is, when 'we' make that experience, happen...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Sani, for most is the worst malefic,...(functional, anyway)

> >>>>>>>>> and perhaps that's because of the intense, out of tune, world we

> >>>> live

> >>>>>>>> in...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Nature, however, is completely pure and impartial.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Nature allows us to do whatever we want....

> >>>>>>>>> there's only one rule,.... we have to experience the

>consequences

> >> of

> >>>>>>>> those

> >>>>>>>>> actions...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> And where we might not have understood about Saturn balance, or

> >>>> wisdom

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>> our last life, in this one,....we can begin to put more

> >>>>>> attention....on

> >>>>>>>>> Sani's special, blessings....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The malefics in our charts, are not just our sufferings or our

> >>>>>>>>> consequences,

> >>>>>>>>> ..... they're also the special opportunities, that we're meant

>to

> >>>> grow

> >>>>>>>>> in...

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> and once we embrace them, learn their lessons, then,...our

> >>>>>>>>> reward,.....natural, new consequence of our newly learned

> >>>>>> insights......

> >>>>>>>>> we'll experience the functional 'beneficness' of those old

> >>>> planets....

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Divide and Conquer. Bu$h wants U$ to HATE muslims, the latest

> >>>> enemy

> >>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> their creation, so that we will fear, and act under their

> >>>>>>>> ³leadership²,

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> pay more money to them, for THEIR weapons, from the companies

> >> THEY

> >>>>>>>> own,

> >>>>>>>>> so

> >>>>>>>>>> that their agenda WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED but not by their own

> >> labor,

> >>>>>> but

> >>>>>>>>>> yours, ours.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> They are dividing us, whereas Spirituality unites us. We are

>all

> >>>> one

> >>>>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>>>> souls, but only different in external dress, which includes our

> >>>>>>>>> cultures,

> >>>>>>>>>> prophets, etc. The aim is one, to live in peace and be able to

> >>>>>> rejoice

> >>>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>> Spirit, live in Spirit. The aim of life is not to worship MTV,

> >>>>>>>>> Hollywood,

> >>>>>>>>>> lust and greed, etc. No. It is to have farm life, village

>life,

> >>>>>> happy

> >>>>>>>>> life,

> >>>>>>>>>> simple life, realize Spirit, and become Divine.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Enough for now. Thanks for listening. If you read all and

> >>>>>>>> understand,

> >>>>>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>>> shake your hand, or even hug you.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> With love, your brother in Spirit,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Reichard MacQuoid-Wuerst

> >>>>>>>>>> (Das Goravani)

> >>>>>>>>> \

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Jai Guru,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> founder Starlight Unlimited, a business, promoting Jyotish into

> >> all

> >>>>>> areas

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> life.

> >>>>>>>>> Nature's Astrology:

> >> /

> >>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>> ,

> >>>>>>>>> looking at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we

> >> can

> >>>>>>>>> encourage

> >>>>>>>>> a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology

> >>>>>>>>> and new :

> >>>>>>>>> kincaidmark/ for those who want

>more

> >>>>>> formal

> >>>>>>>>> jyotish.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> :

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