Mark Kincaid. How do you give a natal reading?

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Hi Mark, How are you today?? I can't answer your question...because I have

never had a natal reading of my chart before. My time of birth of unknown. My

"original" birth certificate is "sealed" & I can not have access to it with a

court order. Even then, the original may not list a time of birth on it at all.

I have been lied so for long about so many things..that even if were listed

there...I don't know that I would believe that it too hasn't been "faked".

 

I probably wouldn't enjoy seeing the truth of my life staring me in the face,

but I would then at least, be able to understand all of why's of my life, which

currently don't make much sense to me at all. No chart truly seems to decribe

all of my life circumstances... although I am hopeful that one does exist.

 

I did like this which you wrote: "until a seeker of truth gets tired of doing it

their own way, knowledge never comes." & I find that to be very interesting.

But then again, that same seeker may not have a teacher in the flesh and may be

left with no choice but try to acquire the knowledge in his or her own way,

hopefully with the help from a higher power...which is all that that person may

have at the time. I would hope that person would not be denied knowledge...just

because it was the only way that he knew to do it at time. I will give it more

thought...

 

As far as how I look at the birth chart of a person with a known time of birth,

I look at the conditions of the chart ruler first & then the dispositor of the

chart ruler. Then I look at the rulers of the 7th and the 2nd house and the

conditions of those planets & their dispositors. Usually then I look at the

Moon, then the Sun, the ruler of the 9th, the ruler of the 5th and then the

other houses that are left come after that. Every chart is different, so I don't

always follow the same pattern. If one of the planets definitely stands out to

me in some particular way, then I will look at it first. I will usually look at

the Navamasha chart next & then at the Nakshatras of all of the planets to see

if they strenghten or weaken the meaning of the natal chart. That is that way

that seems to generally work the best for me.

 

I began, what seemed to me to be "all of a sudden", to study the Sun last month

on the day that the Sun moved into Leo. I didn't plan it that way...it just

happened !! I arrived at the conclusion that the Sun represents "possibilities"

available to us. Our choice of the Sun's sign is how & what we want to express

in this lifetime. My Sun is in Scorpio. It seems to me that I chose this sign

because of it's power of regeneration. I have had five children & so I guess

with me, that I chose to fulfill my destiny by giving birth to five souls that

were waiting for their chance to fulfill their karmic destinies. That choice has

made me very happy & I have never once regretted my decision. My children have

always been the love of my life. I have lived through many things that I doubt

most people would have the ability to live through & I am able to do that

through the power of the my sun sign. I would think the same simplicity also

applies to the other planets as well. Just some of

my thoughts.

 

I have one of my own "dying to ask" questions. But it isn't someone's every day

question so I guess I will "wait"...in my Scorpio way...although I really don't

think it will come up any time soon...if ever )

Robin...

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

 

Dear Members/Friends:

 

Here's a wonderful simple question that I think is very worthy of reflecting

upon, and would love hearing other people's experiences, regarding,.... how

they're enjoyed, their natal readings, in the past.

 

This Astrological 'reading' is at the very heart of Astrology, and yet, I

find most people don't quite appreciate how profound, and powerful this

experience is.

 

Enjoy!

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AstroLife] How do you give a natal reading?

 

 

Greg wrote: "So then, let's get back to astrology. What shall we

discuss? Does anyone have a question they've been dying to ask about

this wonderful study we all love so much? We welcome all levels of

understanding. (I usually learn the most from beginner's questions, so

fire away!)"

 

Here's one that I've been kicking around for years now. :-)

 

How do you give a natal reading? (full initial question, below)

 

 

 

 

Dear John:

 

I, too, feel it's in the Astrology 'reading', that a lot of the beauty and

wisdom

comes alive.

 

It used to be, in my own Astrology practice, that I would just go spinning

through the 'chart'.

 

Probably I'd start about the Sun, Moon & Rising Signs....

and then, I'd go into the different charts.

 

Then, at some point I came across this expression: "until a seeker of truth

gets tired of doing it their own way, knowledge never comes...."

 

And, this influenced me very greatly.

 

I had been researching the Sun, and came across this expression in the

context of 'self-realization'.

 

>From that moment on, I started to rely more strongly on what is it that the

person is coming to their reading?

 

Normally, I at least get 3 questions from people.

 

Usually, it's Q1: What is my life purpose or best career?

#2: How can I make more money, and #3: How do I become better at

'relationships'.

 

Now, I find myself, answering people's initial questions,.... and if 'I', as

the 'astrologer' can guess what the person is like,... then I find the job

or role of doing the chart, reading, is fulfilled.

 

I also believe it's the goal of every Astrologer, to give people a 'taste of

their Astrology'.

 

Perhaps, the #1, quality of good Astrology, that I've learned, is.....

that there is a powerful, symbolic, .... even precise, '1to1' relationship

between people's lives, and the details of their Astrology chart....

 

I believe it's 'our' goal, to give them a taste of a flash of that!

 

Because it's in that ability, that Astrology maintains it's power.

 

Another thing I've grown to enjoy is that I now realize that people very

spontaneously, speak out, in their very words, the essence of their

charts....

 

I used to spend a lot of time, guessing for them, what they'd be like if

they had, Sun in Gemini, and Sun in the 3rd House, for example...

 

But, then at some point, someone expressed to me what it felt like for them,

having that Sun in Gemini,..... and when I listened to their words, I

thought...

'oh, my god, they're expressing so spontaneously, the essence of their

chart.....'

 

>From that moment, I switched, and started doing people's natal charts, so I

could get them to express themselves...

 

Now, when I describe what it's like having Sun in Gemini, for example, I'll

describe how 'Geminis' like doing many things at once.... and then I'll say,

have you noticed that, that you're the kind of person that really enjoys

doing several things at a time, together?

 

And they nodd their heads, as they always used to do,....

but now, I say: "Now, I find that people themselves express the subtleties

of Astrology, very well. How do you experience this....?"

 

And, they'll then go into an expression, with such preciseness, maybe even

describing, how they like to do several things at once, in the area of life,

that their 3rd House really captures.....

 

Now, I realize my responsibility is to show them, that, 'yes' their charts

really do fit them, but then, encourage them to talk and express themselves,

just because they'll begin to notice that they, too, can come to understand

their Astrological selves...

 

The other thing that I do, which has evolved greatly, is today I emphasize

the 'transformative' power of their Astrology.

 

In other words, Astrology makes a great distinction between 'strong' or

'benefic' planets and weak, or 'malefic' ones.

 

Generally, that was the final conclusion that most people bring out, that

these are your strengths and these your weaknesses.

 

Therefore, during periods where you'll be experiencing the essence of your

'benefic' Moon, for example, you can expect, great things to happen.

 

Or, if during periods of planets that are inherently, 'weak', these will be

periods of challenge, struggles and problems.

 

Now, I realize, that not only does Astrology have a great power to be able

to help us see our strengths and weaknesses,....

 

the real truth, is that we were born to enjoy our strengths, but,...

we were also born, to improve those areas of our lives, where our weak

planets are.

 

For example, if someone has Mars in their 7th house, and they have lots of

challenges in partnerships and marriage, it's not enough just to say, chill

out!

 

Now, I realize, that their Mars represents the part of them that they're

meant to change and even improve!

 

This is Astrology's greatest gift, that it makes 'value judgements', or

'discriminations'...

 

These planets are very positive, or balanced, strong, while these other

Astrological configurations are weak, and negative...

 

But, these 'negatives' are not only the indications of our problems,

struggles and sufferings, they're also the areas of our great opportunities,

and even solutions!

 

For the person with Mars in their first house, they have the habit, both

Psychologically, and even in their bones, or Physiologically, to be too

aggressive, and dominating, and pushy, etc.

 

But, they don't feel that way. They tend to 'blame' others for the

problems, hence, the classic Mars confusion.

 

But, Astrology comes out and says, this planet is 'your' weakness, and is

something that you're meant to change, and grow out of...

 

And when I've learned how to begin turning the conversations in these

directions, and offer people new, slightly uplifting possibilities,...

well, ..... depending upon their receptivity,... but those who have grown

tired, of suffering in the ways that they have....

 

they can begin to see things in a slightly new light.....

 

 

Thank you for the wonderful question.

 

I look forward to hearing from others about their wonderful experiences as

well.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

Professional Astrologer. Initially studied Western Astrology, in early

1970's, and for the last 16 years, has focused on Eastern Astrology, or

Jyotish.

Founder Starlight Unlimited, a business, promoting Jyotish/Astrology into

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John Cole

AstroLife

Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:51:52 -0500

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Re: [AstroLife] How do you give a natal reading?

 

 

Greg wrote: "So then, let's get back to astrology. What shall we

discuss? Does anyone have a question they've been dying to ask about

this wonderful study we all love so much? We welcome all levels of

understanding. (I usually learn the most from beginner's questions, so

fire away!)"

 

Here's one that I've been kicking around for years now. :-)

 

How do you give a natal reading? I've been modifying and refining my

approach since I first started giving astrology readings. Sometimes I

feel like I have a good working structure or an approach that is

appropriate for the situation, and other times I feel like a ship out on

the water (so to speak).

 

Its an especially interesting situation for me when I'm working with a

person who is new to astrology and interested in the reading, but

contributes very little to the exchange in terms of direction,

questions, or feedback.

 

I'd expect just about everyone on this list who gives natal readings to

have their own approach or system, or at least be in the process of

developing one as I am. So, I'm interested in hearing from those who

would like to share their approach along with the things that seem to

work best for them as well as lessoned learned and pitfalls.

 

Thanks!

John

 

 

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