Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 On my screen, using Lahiri, it says the nodes are at 9-27, and it¹s 9-27 And Mars/Jupiter are exactly conjunct at this time, in Virgo, a sign of an attempt to remove soldiers from where they should not be. Jupiter- advice, righteousness, higher law, authorities Mars bad in Virgo as 3/8 lord from it, harms the innocent greatly Jupiter conjunct mars means authorities upon the soldier, guidance to the soldier, or the two work together, one way or the other, it¹s a meeting of sorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Hi Das, It is nice to see the photos, including the makeover of the VAlist welcome page. As for the placement of the true nodes, using www.astro.com and Jyotish Tools I get 8° 22´ Aries/Libra for today. The stationary movement will peak in the second half of October at around 8° 14´. The station of the nodes will then slowly diminish in intensity before fading out completely in the second half of November at around 8° 00. Glad to note you have overcome the depth of your crisis and have begun to deal with whatever problems came up. You have many strengths in your chart, so there is plenty to build on. Things will improve as you move forward on the path of harmony and love! I hope you are also making use of astral remedies to counter the influence of the transit nodes at this time. For instance, sharing a part of breakfast with the birds every day (Rahu remedy) and helping spiritual seekers or organisations (Ketu remedy), should reduce the impact of the nodal transit to the most important point of your chart, so that the situation becomes manageable and the strain bearable. With my best wishes, Thor valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: > > > > On my screen, using Lahiri, it says the nodes are at 9-27, and it¹s 9-27 > > > And Mars/Jupiter are exactly conjunct at this time, in Virgo, a sign of an > attempt to remove soldiers from where they should not be. > > Jupiter- advice, righteousness, higher law, authorities > > Mars bad in Virgo as 3/8 lord from it, harms the innocent greatly > > Jupiter conjunct mars means authorities upon the soldier, guidance to the > soldier, or the two work together, one way or the other, it¹s a meeting of > sorts. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Thorsteinnt, You write of principles from the Systems Approach Astrology belonging to Professor Choudhary. It is said by the Professor that his "branch" of astrology is under strict and LEGAL copyright and no one is allowed to use the Systems Approach without prior permission for any forums or web-sites which are not belonging to the Systems Approach owner or founder? Please see the public messages about the legal copyrights and permissions as pertaining to the Professor Choudhary's Systems Approach at satvagroup. Namaste. Roberto. valist, "thorsteinnt" <thorsteinnt wrote: > >Hi Das, > > >I hope you are also making use of astral remedies to counter the >influence of the transit nodes at this time. For instance, sharing >a part of breakfast with the birds every day (Rahu remedy) and >helping spiritual seekers or organisations (Ketu remedy), should >reduce the impact of the nodal transit to the most important point >of your chart, so that the situation becomes manageable and the >strain bearable. > >With my best wishes, > >Thor > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hello robert10889 and Das, Relax. The case involves the past use of SA by a certain american astrologer, Ron Grimes, but with his own modifications, which were variously known as SA plus, neo-SA and Astrophecy. In essence, the propounder of SA, VK Choudhry, was objecting to the adulteration of his system. The important point is that all are free to use SA. There is no legal issue but to protect the integrity of SA from being diluted by those who pretend to know better. Let them invent their own system. By the way, there are a few anonymous poster on a few vedic astrology lists making posts like this in an effort to discredit Professor Choudhry. We can only wonder who and why. Sincerely, Thor Thorgeirsson valist, "robert10889" <robert10889> wrote: > Dear Thorsteinnt, > > > You write of principles from the Systems Approach Astrology > belonging to Professor Choudhary. It is said by the Professor > that his "branch" of astrology is under strict and LEGAL copyright > and no one is allowed to use the Systems Approach without prior > permission for any forums or web-sites which are not belonging to > the Systems Approach owner or founder? > > Please see the public messages about the legal copyrights and > permissions as pertaining to the Professor Choudhary's Systems > Approach at satvagroup. > > > Namaste. > Roberto. > > > valist, "thorsteinnt" > <thorsteinnt> wrote: > > > > >Hi Das, > > > > > >I hope you are also making use of astral remedies to counter the > >influence of the transit nodes at this time. For instance, sharing > >a part of breakfast with the birds every day (Rahu remedy) and > >helping spiritual seekers or organisations (Ketu remedy), should > >reduce the impact of the nodal transit to the most important point > >of your chart, so that the situation becomes manageable and the > >strain bearable. > > > >With my best wishes, > > > >Thor > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Das Goravani, >From messages at the SATVA list, it is believed that Professor VK Choudhary had initiated legal proceedings for "copyright" infringement and "usage without permission" of his Systems Approach Astrology. This was against 3 senior members belonging to his own SATVA list, and two of them, like Mr Thorsteinnt, were Vice-Presidents of the IIPA, formerly. You can check the past messages at SATVA, provided the messages haven't been "edited" out, i.e. deleted from the SATVA site. These messages seem to indicate that Mr Choudhary intends to strictly enforce the "copyrights" of his Systems Approach Astrology and no one is authorized to use the Systems Approach subject matter on any web-site without his explicit permission. However, since Mr Thorsteinnt has assured you in the contrary, all seems to be okay. To be on the safe side it would be good to consult with Mr Choudhary himself regarding the copyright issues and whether usage of Systems Approach is legally permissible. Please see the legal-warning messages below. Namaste. Roberto. ----- "SIHA" <siha@v...> Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:16 am [satva] REFINEMENTS ON SA Hello dear list members, Some of my old students including Mr. Ron Grimes after learning SA talk of refinements of SA. SA is copyright with me and Mr. K Rajesh Chaudhary and the use of the name and goodwill of SA is clearly not permissible by us for any refinements and additional changes, etc. to SA. Anybody who wants to give a new system he/she is welcome to do so on his/her own work. Mr. Ron Grimes should leave SA aside and give his system to the world. I am contemplating legal action in this regard and if any of the list members can help me on this, the help is welcome. All those website which carry SA material should either remove the name of Mr. Ron Grimes from their websites or remove all SA material from their websites immediately. Best wishes, ---- robert s <med8800> Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:08 am Re: [satva] Court Action Dear Prof,. I am a Chartered Accountant by profession but competent to advise you on this matter as I deal with many legal/financial matters for my company. I have discussed this my boss, Mr. Francis de Cruz, who has advised me as follows: First of all seek the advice of a competent lawyer at your place. Send a Notice to the defendant listing out your grievances. It must be sent through a legal firm demanding that he immediately desist from carrying out those harmful and injurious acts. Give him a time frame. In the event of default by the said defendant, proceed to file the necessary papers into court and seek the relevant orders, namely, a. an interim injunction to restrain the defendant from using the name of SA by any description on his books, web sites, correspondences, papers, letter heads, etc pending the outcome of the hearing of the main suit b. a permanent injunction along the same lines c. General damages d. Punitive/Exemplary damages. e. Costs You should get an exparte order on the basis of urgency. And then proceed to have the order served on the High Court where the defendant resides to enforce the order. I am not sure of the enforceability of the order where Indian courts are concerned. But I remember a case where the trial of the famous Bopal Gas Tragedy was conducted in India and the judgement involving millions of dollars were then served on the parent company in the United States to enforce payment fo the judgement. The parent company observed the Order and paid up. (Please correct me on the actual situation in respect of the case as it was many years ago). Perhaps this will help as a starting point. Robert S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hi Das, This poster is just trying to rehash this issue here. The matter involved SA material which became outdated when VK Choudhry published refinements to his SA theory in revised versions of his books from 2001 onwards. The material this poster is referring to had not been updated and although assidiously collected by Sandy Crowther and Donna Cunningham, contained outdated material VK Choudhry felt would create confusion. As he did not have time to go through it all and update it, he reluctantly asked Sandy and Donna to take it down from their web sites. The real copyright issue concerned Mr. Grimes effort to pass off his modicifcations of SA theory as a novel system involving also relabeling. Mr. Grimes susequently launched an attack on for providing astral remedies, claiming they were fradulent and suggesting others file complaints with US authorities. Best would be to just end this discussion here. It serves no purpose. Cheers, Thor valist, "robert10889" <robert10889> wrote: > Dear Das Goravani, > > > From messages at the SATVA list, it is believed that Professor > VK Choudhary had initiated legal proceedings for "copyright" > infringement and "usage without permission" of his Systems > Approach Astrology. This was against 3 senior members belonging > to his own SATVA list, and two of them, like Mr Thorsteinnt, > were Vice-Presidents of the IIPA, formerly. > > > You can check the past messages at SATVA, provided the messages > haven't been "edited" out, i.e. deleted from the SATVA site. > > > These messages seem to indicate that Mr Choudhary intends to > strictly enforce the "copyrights" of his Systems Approach Astrology > and no one is authorized to use the Systems Approach subject matter > on any web-site without his explicit permission. > > > However, since Mr Thorsteinnt has assured you in the contrary, > all seems to be okay. To be on the safe side it would be good to > consult with Mr Choudhary himself regarding the copyright issues > and whether usage of Systems Approach is legally permissible. > Please see the legal-warning messages below. > > Namaste. > Roberto. > > > ----- > "SIHA" <siha@v...> > Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:16 am > [satva] REFINEMENTS ON SA > > > Hello dear list members, > > Some of my old students including Mr. Ron Grimes after learning SA > talk of refinements of SA. SA is copyright with me and Mr. K Rajesh > Chaudhary and the use of the name and goodwill of SA is clearly not > permissible by us for any refinements and additional changes, etc. > to SA. > > Anybody who wants to give a new system he/she is welcome to do so on > his/her own work. Mr. Ron Grimes should leave SA aside and give his > system to the world. > > I am contemplating legal action in this regard and if any of the > list members can help me on this, the help is welcome. > > All those website which carry SA material should either remove the > name of Mr. Ron Grimes from their websites or remove all SA material > from their websites immediately. > > Best wishes, > > > > > ---- > robert s <med8800> > Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:08 am > Re: [satva] Court Action > > > Dear Prof,. > > I am a Chartered Accountant by profession but competent to advise > you on this > matter as I deal with many legal/financial matters for my company. > I have > discussed this my boss, Mr. Francis de Cruz, who has advised me as > follows: > > First of all seek the advice of a competent lawyer at your place. > Send a Notice > to the defendant listing out your grievances. It must be sent > through a legal > firm demanding that he immediately desist from carrying out those > harmful and > injurious acts. Give him a time frame. In the event of default by > the said > defendant, proceed to file the necessary papers into court and seek > the relevant > orders, namely, > > a. an interim injunction to restrain the defendant from using the > name of SA by > any description on his books, web sites, correspondences, papers, > letter heads, > etc pending the outcome of the hearing of the main suit > > b. a permanent injunction along the same lines > > c. General damages > > d. Punitive/Exemplary damages. > > e. Costs > > You should get an exparte order on the basis of urgency. And then > proceed to > have the order served on the High Court where the defendant resides > to enforce > the order. I am not sure of the enforceability of the order where > Indian courts > are concerned. But I remember a case where the trial of the famous > Bopal Gas > Tragedy was conducted in India and the judgement involving millions > of dollars > were then served on the parent company in the United States to > enforce payment > fo the judgement. The parent company observed the Order and paid up. > (Please > correct me on the actual situation in respect of the case as it was > many years ago). > > Perhaps this will help as a starting point. > > Robert S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hello everyone! I am not sure exactly what the Systems of Approach Astrology truly is but I doubt that this professor made the planets so...any type of analysis of their movements & meanings...should be open for discussion to & by anyone. To my knowledge...the planets have never been for sale...and consequently have never been owned by any one person. It is my understanding that the planets & the knowledge that they may provide are available to everyone. What's the world coming to?? Robin... robert10889 <robert10889 wrote: Dear Thorsteinnt, You write of principles from the Systems Approach Astrology belonging to Professor Choudhary. It is said by the Professor that his "branch" of astrology is under strict and LEGAL copyright and no one is allowed to use the Systems Approach without prior permission for any forums or web-sites which are not belonging to the Systems Approach owner or founder? Please see the public messages about the legal copyrights and permissions as pertaining to the Professor Choudhary's Systems Approach at satvagroup. Namaste. Roberto. valist, "thorsteinnt" wrote: > >Hi Das, > > >I hope you are also making use of astral remedies to counter the >influence of the transit nodes at this time. For instance, sharing >a part of breakfast with the birds every day (Rahu remedy) and >helping spiritual seekers or organisations (Ketu remedy), should >reduce the impact of the nodal transit to the most important point >of your chart, so that the situation becomes manageable and the >strain bearable. > >With my best wishes, > >Thor > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hello Robin, I had planned not to say more on this, and then came your message, which I ask the indulgence of our moderator to give a brief answer to. The issue at stake is simply about who has created and who determines what is the System´s Approach. Like all of astrology, SA is free to be used by everyone. has just used his copyright as the creator of the system to prevent SA from being modified by others and marketed as a variant of the Systems Approach - as some were doing. He is protecting the simplicity and predictive power of the system. In that I completely agree with him. If the Systems Approach is not for you, no worries. Finally, as our esteemed moderator has asked this thread be ended, I would like to observe that and ask others to do the same. Regards, Thor valist, "Seems Like A Thousand Days...." <veiledpaperdoll> wrote: > Hello everyone! I am not sure exactly what the Systems of Approach Astrology truly is but I doubt that this professor made the planets so...any type of analysis of their movements & meanings...should be open for discussion to & by anyone. To my knowledge...the planets have never been for sale...and consequently have never been owned by any one person. It is my understanding that the planets & the knowledge that they may provide are available to everyone. What's the world coming to?? > Robin... > > > > > > robert10889 <robert10889> wrote: > Dear Thorsteinnt, > > > You write of principles from the Systems Approach Astrology > belonging to Professor Choudhary. It is said by the Professor > that his "branch" of astrology is under strict and LEGAL copyright > and no one is allowed to use the Systems Approach without prior > permission for any forums or web-sites which are not belonging to > the Systems Approach owner or founder? > > Please see the public messages about the legal copyrights and > permissions as pertaining to the Professor Choudhary's Systems > Approach at satvagroup. > > > Namaste. > Roberto. > > > valist, "thorsteinnt" > wrote: > > > > >Hi Das, > > > > > >I hope you are also making use of astral remedies to counter the > >influence of the transit nodes at this time. For instance, sharing > >a part of breakfast with the birds every day (Rahu remedy) and > >helping spiritual seekers or organisations (Ketu remedy), should > >reduce the impact of the nodal transit to the most important point > >of your chart, so that the situation becomes manageable and the > >strain bearable. > > > >With my best wishes, > > > >Thor > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Very well said, Dear Thor. Hope, the moderator puts this issue to an end . With best regards....................................Amar Puri. >"thorsteinnt" <thorsteinnt >valist >valist >Re: Nodes at 9-27 on 9-27 >Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:32:46 -0000 > >Hello Robin, > >I had planned not to say more on this, and then came your message, >which I ask the indulgence of our moderator to give a brief answer >to. > >The issue at stake is simply about who has created and who determines >what is the System´s Approach. Like all of astrology, SA is free >to be used by everyone. has just used his >copyright as the creator of the system to prevent SA from being >modified by others and marketed as a variant of the Systems Approach - > as some were doing. He is protecting the simplicity and predictive >power of the system. In that I completely agree with him. If the >Systems Approach is not for you, no worries. > >Finally, as our esteemed moderator has asked this thread be ended, I >would like to observe that and ask others to do the same. > >Regards, > >Thor > >valist, "Seems Like A Thousand Days...." ><veiledpaperdoll> wrote: > > Hello everyone! I am not sure exactly what the Systems of Approach >Astrology truly is but I doubt that this professor made the planets >so...any type of analysis of their movements & meanings...should be >open for discussion to & by anyone. To my knowledge...the planets >have never been for sale...and consequently have never been owned by >any one person. It is my understanding that the planets & the >knowledge that they may provide are available to everyone. What's >the world coming to?? > > Robin... > > > > > > > > > > > > robert10889 <robert10889> wrote: > > Dear Thorsteinnt, > > > > > > You write of principles from the Systems Approach Astrology > > belonging to Professor Choudhary. It is said by the Professor > > that his "branch" of astrology is under strict and LEGAL copyright > > and no one is allowed to use the Systems Approach without prior > > permission for any forums or web-sites which are not belonging to > > the Systems Approach owner or founder? > > > > Please see the public messages about the legal copyrights and > > permissions as pertaining to the Professor Choudhary's Systems > > Approach at satvagroup. > > > > > > Namaste. > > Roberto. > > > > > > valist, "thorsteinnt" > > wrote: > > > > > > > >Hi Das, > > > > > > > > >I hope you are also making use of astral remedies to counter the > > >influence of the transit nodes at this time. For instance, sharing > > >a part of breakfast with the birds every day (Rahu remedy) and > > >helping spiritual seekers or organisations (Ketu remedy), should > > >reduce the impact of the nodal transit to the most important point > > >of your chart, so that the situation becomes manageable and the > > >strain bearable. > > > > > >With my best wishes, > > > > > >Thor > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > _______________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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