2-VA, > Mark Kincaid....9/23...re.... Life is not fair & das' chart...and sufferings... & How to Strengthen Sani!

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Dear Das & All:

 

I think it's significant to review, why our friend das, suffers so much.

 

It is in his chart...of course.....

 

 

With Saturn and Jupiter together in the same sign, in Sagittarius, and

especially, Saturn, aspecting fully, due to the 3rd house aspect of Sani,

upon the Moon....in Aquarius....

 

both of these configurations can express,....deep suffering...

 

 

You can feel the chaos, and the confusion for das, being that Jupiter, which

is potentially sooooo good due to being in it's Own Sign...

 

but, being in association with Saturn that's also in Sagittarius, is

important also.

 

 

The key, here as it is with all negative or malefic parts of Jyotish, is

that we figure out a way, any way, to strengthen, as in this

case...Saturn,....

 

 

I had a similar experience, my Moon & Saturn being in the 12th house, were

also very negative,..

 

and when I went into my Sani, Maha dasa, in 1991, all manners of hell, broke

out for me,...

 

I lost all the money I had saved to start a new marriage...

 

No money, came to us, after that, and me with a new family,...about 6 months

into Sani, Mahadasa,....

 

Then, over the next few years, I got separated and eventually divorced, went

through bankruptacy, and my dad died, all within these first years of Sani!

 

I was sooo frustrated, I remember one day, yelling out to Sani,..."I know it

is you!..... Why? are you doing this, I thought I was in-tune enough with

you...."

 

 

Well, I'll never forget what happened,....the Sani, inside of me, started

laughing...

 

He laughed...

and laughed....

and laughed....

 

I think it went on for literally 1 or 2 minutes!

 

 

Then, after it subsided, it was so striking, I could only say, "Okay, maybe

I'm not intune enough with you, what should I do?"

 

And he said: ".....(very quietly,....very silently)..... more silence......

....... more silence......"

 

Just like a whisper,...

 

Well that became my mantra,...so to speak...

 

Over the next few years, especially when I was feeling or experiencing the

most Sani chaos,....I'd remember that experience...

 

and would do whatever I could to create more silence.....

 

 

And after about 3 years, I started to notice a remarkable shift, in my

life...

 

As silent as I thought I was...

 

I had already been meditating, since, 1970, so for over 25 years!

 

for god sake!

 

 

but, I was willing to adjust...

 

And after that time.... for the first time, since going into Sani Maha dasa,

..... I started to feel,....better....

 

more ....softness, inside....

 

more.... quietness....

and more peacefulness....

 

 

Then, I felt Sani,....say....."......well done....."

 

 

I know, in my heart of hearts....

 

that these planets just represent.... the right hand, and the left hand....

of God...

 

giving back to us,...

the consequences of our actions....

 

so we learn....

 

And seeing the effects of our previous actions, we at some point, decide to

learn something new....

 

to adjust...

 

to focus differently....

 

 

And eventually we'll get it....

 

 

We're born for it...

 

 

 

Either now, or in the future...

 

 

 

There are those, who have mastered all of the different planets...

 

Some have exalted Sun, some exalted Mars....

even some have exalted Sani's...

 

and their positive experiences with each of those exalted planets...

 

shows us, ....it can be done!

 

 

 

Jai Guru...

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

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> "fas fas" <foreignersassistance

> valist

> Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:54:29 +0000

> valist

> Re: Essay : "Life is not fair"

>

> Not so very practical when the Human species are under the control of Three

> Modes of Material Nature followed by the Four defects of the Material

> concept of life, we, the individual human being have very little to no

> practical control, and we learn lesson through our mistake with direct or

> indirect experience through proper or improper knowledge coming from perfect

> or imperfect source.

>

> In this case of Das Prabhu, why, what, when, how he feels and thinks that is

> due to the influence of the Planetary system in his natal chart as every one

> of us is experiencing in our daily life.

>

> Tanvir, you wrote below that you wish to see Das's chart some day. Das did

> post his birth details not too long ago on this forum which are ; May

> 18,1960, Time 4.42 am. zone 8 dst.1, Oakland, Calif, Long.122w16,

> Lat.37n48., and see what you have to say.

>

> With my best wishes..............................Amar Puri.

>

>> "Tanvir" <ultimate

>> valist

>> <valist>

>> Re: Essay : "Life is not fair"

>> Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:35:57 +0600

>>

>> Your views are very practical, and I read your write ups from long ago and

>> I have a strong impression that you OBSERVE life closely with it's each

>> step and you do THINK about them seriously to come to conclusion.

>>

>> By the way, I have the same conclusion about free will and karma. Like you

>> I am also very confident that this is THE ANSWER.

>>

>> Wish to see your chart some day.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Tanvir.

>>

>>

>>

>> What can not happen, can never happen.

>> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>>

>> Tanvir Chowdhury

>> Cellular: +88 0189407202

>> Mail: lord_narayana

>> Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

>> Forum:

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>> -

>> Das Goravani

>> valist

>> Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:51 PM

>> Re: Essay : "Life is not fair"

>>

>>

>>

>>> There are some serious incorrect information about the things we are

>> taught

>>> from our boyhood, like pray to God he will listen to you, do good

>> things God

>>> will be kind towards you, etc. etc.

>>

>>

>> Correct. That idea is complete hogwash, that "God" is "listening to

>> prayers" and sadly, many Indian Yogis and Yoginis like Amma and others

>> are

>> still teaching this garbage.

>>

>>

>> Actually, there is no proof that there is a "God" at all. A singular

>> controlling personality who "hears" the prayers of humans.

>>

>> I realize there is much proof pointing to the existence of some

>> substance

>> around the issues of "God" and "Prayer", indeed, but, it is not exact,

>> nor

>> conclusive, it is very vague and general.

>>

>> I have had a life full of "God" and in the last 4 years, intense inner

>> emotional and mental pain. In order to survive and not kill myself, I

>> have

>> come to the point of using other techniques to "make it through" and

>> survive, and get the best out of life that I can, and these involve

>> things

>> like controlling my mind and emotions myself, and NOT giving over the

>> job to

>> someone else, including "God".

>>

>> I have come to the point of total self responsibility, self will, self

>> mind

>> control, self emotional control. For example, I force myself to turn

>> away

>> from negative thoughts. I force myself to turn away from lust, which is

>> a

>> real trigger for depression for me.

>>

>> I force myself to REMEMBER positive things like "work on your problems

>> slowly towards a better tommorrow". These kinds of things are working

>> for

>> me now. If I have anything to say about God helping me, it would be the

>> old

>> saying:

>>

>> "God helps those who help themselves"

>>

>> I think that the positive effects of being into "God" like an Amma

>> follower

>> or Christ follower are actually derived from the self mind control they

>> are

>> doing thereby. That's how the benefits of Krishna Consciousness came

>> for

>> me. By following "the God", you END UP doing good works, having

>> controlled

>> good (pure) thoughts, and thus YOU keep YOUR LIFE on a right track,

>> whereas,

>> when you are just without any religion, you are MORE LIKELY to partake

>> of

>> the television, the drink, the common life, and thus get embroiled in

>> the

>> lower thought realm of lust and desire etc., and you experience more

>> pain.

>>

>> So it's the SIDE EFFECTS of religion that make it tick, moreso than the

>> direct philosophy, which really often doesn't make sense and doesn't

>> work.

>>

>> That's my findings.

>>

>> I've gone from being a personalit to an impersonalist, but for sure, I

>> still

>> think that we have to figure out a path to happiness and work it,

>> because

>> the world can and will suck you down and chew you up if you are simply

>> adrift without any plan, without any controls internally.

>>

>> Forgive my generalizations and see my point. Thank you.

>>

>> Peace

>>

>>

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