2-das & All, > Mark Kincaid....9/23...re...... Essay : Life is not fair & The need to improve our Planets......

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dear Das, & All:

 

I understand your suffering.

 

I, too have lived a life of suffering...

 

When I was very young, I was very depressive, and lonely and had much

sadness around me.

 

It wasn't until I discovered Jyotish, that I learned the 'reasons' of my

particular conditions.

 

I had Moon & Saturn in my 12th house, which alone would be enough to cause

or reflect my sufferings, but then, my Sun was in the 11th house, so my Moon

was very tiny, as well.

 

But, I too, also, had a great inquisitiveness about God...

 

This might be because of my Moon & Saturn being in the 12th, but also a

Jupiter in the 6th, full aspecting my Moon & Saturn.

 

Interestingly enough I also had a great interest in death,

what is death all about....?

 

I also prayed to God, every day, and yet,.... it wasn't until I learned to

meditate, which greatly improved the functioning of release of stress in my

mind and body, that....things improved...

 

Then, later I discovered Jyotish, and found not only the reasons, 'why'

we're all, the way we are,...

 

but even more importantly,.... what we can do, to help improve ourselves.

 

I know for you, Das, not real optimism, is that helpful, when you haven't

yet, broken through the Saturn, clouds, yet,...

 

but someday you will...

 

Either you will in this life, or in future ones...

 

And only your real experience of these truths, will ultimately convince you

that, spirit is the essene of life,... and that, you are 'that'!

 

I too, experienced much suffering, and what Jyotish helped me do, was attend

to the particular needs of my chart, that even something like meditation

hadn'd accomplished....

 

Our charts are not only indicative of our 'fates', they're also indicative

of which planets are meant to be improved!

 

Though this is not a very popular or well known aspect of Jyotish, still,to

me, it's the most important part.

 

Good luck, and god bless.....

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

> Das Goravani <>

> valist

> Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:51:58 -0700

> <valist>

> Re: Essay : "Life is not fair"

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>> There are some serious incorrect information about the things we are taught

>> from our boyhood, like pray to God he will listen to you, do good things God

>> will be kind towards you, etc. etc.

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> Correct. That idea is complete hogwash, that "God" is "listening to

> prayers" and sadly, many Indian Yogis and Yoginis like Amma and others are

> still teaching this garbage.

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> Actually, there is no proof that there is a "God" at all. A singular

> controlling personality who "hears" the prayers of humans.

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> I realize there is much proof pointing to the existence of some substance

> around the issues of "God" and "Prayer", indeed, but, it is not exact, nor

> conclusive, it is very vague and general.

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> I have had a life full of "God" and in the last 4 years, intense inner

> emotional and mental pain. In order to survive and not kill myself, I have

> come to the point of using other techniques to "make it through" and

> survive, and get the best out of life that I can, and these involve things

> like controlling my mind and emotions myself, and NOT giving over the job to

> someone else, including "God".

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> I have come to the point of total self responsibility, self will, self mind

> control, self emotional control. For example, I force myself to turn away

> from negative thoughts. I force myself to turn away from lust, which is a

> real trigger for depression for me.

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> I force myself to REMEMBER positive things like "work on your problems

> slowly towards a better tommorrow". These kinds of things are working for

> me now. If I have anything to say about God helping me, it would be the old

> saying:

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> "God helps those who help themselves"

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> I think that the positive effects of being into "God" like an Amma follower

> or Christ follower are actually derived from the self mind control they are

> doing thereby. That's how the benefits of Krishna Consciousness came for

> me. By following "the God", you END UP doing good works, having controlled

> good (pure) thoughts, and thus YOU keep YOUR LIFE on a right track, whereas,

> when you are just without any religion, you are MORE LIKELY to partake of

> the television, the drink, the common life, and thus get embroiled in the

> lower thought realm of lust and desire etc., and you experience more pain.

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> So it's the SIDE EFFECTS of religion that make it tick, moreso than the

> direct philosophy, which really often doesn't make sense and doesn't work.

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> That's my findings.

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> I've gone from being a personalit to an impersonalist, but for sure, I still

> think that we have to figure out a path to happiness and work it, because

> the world can and will suck you down and chew you up if you are simply

> adrift without any plan, without any controls internally.

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> Forgive my generalizations and see my point. Thank you.

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> Peace

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