Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 This essay shows the role of astrology [Vedic Astrology] in our lives. This is long but if you read it taking time, it might be a good use of your time! Life is not fair Truly and honestly, when we observe people's lives around us, we feel it needed to acknowledge that life is not fair. I have repeatedly seen that complete innocent people suffer for no reason and people doing all sort of unfair and immoral activities enjoy all sort of happiness. Is this fair? I have seen one's wife who has been proved to be most loving and faithful leaves him and his children for another man and how the husband destroys him little by little after that, and it is very difficult to believe such events even after they happen in life. It would be a lot more difficult to believe if it happens to you or to someone close to you. You will question yourself, "What did I do? Why this had to happen to me? Why this punishment?" You will often wonder if you are in an endless dream which is seeming to be real, because the reality would be too cruel to be believed. It will lead you to the condition where you will seriously start to doubt if there exists someone called God at all. Because if God is really there, how can he tolerate all these unfairness and punish people for nothing? I have seen a few people getting religiously inclined for the pains life has given them, but they are very few in number. Most people lose all their potentials and destroy themselves little by little when they are continuously hurt over and over. Committing suicides and getting in to drugs are what we see, but we often fail to see the destruction going inside. Even before getting in to Jyotish I have dealt extensively with people's lives, and that always led me to the impression that what in general we know and believe about life, destiny and God is not true, can never be true. There are some serious incorrect information about the things we are taught from our boyhood, like pray to God he will listen to you, do good things God will be kind towards you, etc. etc. Good deeds are not rewarded the way we expect nor bad deeds are punished right away. I have dealt with a large number of human lives and saw that most of the times the innocent people are the victims of the misfortune and problems. This world is full of unfairness and full of cruelty. This world is a very bad place and everyone is so selfish. All sort of unfair things are possible to happen in anyone's life. In my life a few of the prayers were answered by the God but a lot were unanswered same time, including the most intense and serious prayers and pleas to him that I submitted waking all nights with long and tiring worships. Surprisingly, all those subjects of prayers took a route of most miserable ends with the course of time. And observing all these, I always felt that there is something, some truth, some facts about destiny and life-mechanism that we never know. There is a hidden system that works behind all these things happen to us. It responds to each and every act we perform, but it does not respond the way we expect, but has it's own system and nature of responding to us. Only those who can knowingly or unknowingly tune up or adjust with this system are happy and others are unhappy, does not matter how innocent or how qualified they are. I know that many people would not agree to me and would call this world to be a beautiful place. I do not declare them to be wrong. Because, people believe what they experience. Some believe life to be fair because unfair things did not happen to them that much. And they are lucky that is why nothing wrong happened to them. I have always seen that being rich, happy or successful does not prove your qualification or innocence but it just proves your fortune. Because it has been my constant experience from people's lives that without fortune one is not rewarded for his qualification nor for his goodness as a human being. That is why when I think of one's life, I see it as a person driving a car through a highway. Simply how good you drive, you can never assure that you would not be caught down with an accident because accidents do happen for others' faults where we have nothing to do than just taking part in it or just being present in it. Similarly in life sometimes we do nothing wrong but for others' mistake we fall the victim of condition and have to pay, and we find no ways to get out of these. Oppositely sometimes we get a lot more rewards than we actually deserve. All these confusions of me only found true and practically effective answers when I got in to Jyotish and started to realize how life works. Basically, Jyotish is the set of rules that operate our lives. God had to make a lot of rules when creating this universe. As an example he set the gravity for which anything falls in to the ground. The earth pulls us toward it, the sun pulls the earth and other planets toward it. When we press our hand in to a wall, it gets obstructed by the wall and does not pass through it instead. When the temperature can be lowered then the water would turn in to ice... there are innumerable laws of up on which the creation is getting maintained. We are discovering and controlling these more and more with science. But actually there are a lot more 'laws of nature' that physics etc. can not reach or explain. Those rules can not be proved by scientific theories but only by observing lives they prove true. Those are the rules that operate our lives. And the set of those rules is called Jyotish. And in Hinduism it has been described the same, when Lord Brahma created this universe then he received the knowledge of the material creation from Lord Vishnu a part of which was Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. Vedic Astrology was not discovered or developed by people or scientists but just was received from the God, who created this universe and told us the rules of this universe. And if you study even a little of Jyotish you will see that it's nature and structure is something like that what can not be developed by human effort. When we realize this fact and also apply Jyotish theories to our lives then we see whatever is happening to our lives are happening as per the horoscopes of us i.e. the Jyotish. Then it answers all sort of questions and confusions I talked about. It answers that God is not unfair, nor he is cruel to make you suffer, but you are just experiencing everything according to the karma you have performed in your past births. It shows that God is not bothering to punish you but he has set a complete set of rules over your head and each of the events happens to you for you perform a particular action to make the event happen. It is like the echo, the sound you make, it reflects accordingly up on you. However this echo does not reflect as we generally expect it to do, such as work hard and you will be rich, study hard so that you do good in studies, and so on. Because we see that working hard can not always make someone rich nor studying hard ensures a good grade in your exams. (As I said, most unfair things happen.) And so these things happen as per the karma or destiny you have been carrying from the previous births. In general they do not happen for what you are doing now, and the exception is performing remedial measure, when you know what sort of action is going to react in which way, and then you do accordingly. It is not engaging 'worldly efforts' to get something done that often fail, but it is about working with the mechanism and the core rules. Because you know the basic rules and know what sort of action will carry what sort of reaction from the nature, since you know the rules of creation. And when you start realizing this, you will see that trying with worldly efforts is like blind efforts, because that might be or might not be fruitful, (depending upon the horoscope, that shows the destiny most of the times.) but when you work as per the rule of nature or creation, you get it done. However the observation that worldly efforts often work is also true, but only partial. Worldly or material effort would mean the efforts we generally make, like going to see the doctor when we have a health problem, etc. Actually, the fact is that, going to doctor is actually an excuse the planets are making the incident happen. It is a way or medium the work is getting done. More elaborated, with serious misplacement of planets, a person would not have even the money or scope to visit the doctor. A better planetary position, he would visit the doctor but still health problem remains. A normal position, he visits the doctor and gets his solution. Much better, his health problem goes away from it's own even before he visits a doctor. The best position - he does not have any health problem. (In a particular time only, because all of us would fall in to health problems more or less in our lives. But, how frequently and seriously the health troubles would occur would be caused by the horoscope.) Thus an experienced astrologer who deeply watches lives would see that actually it is the planets making the person undertake different worldly efforts to solve his problems. It is the strength of evil planets verses the strength and placement of beneficent planets which would decide how and when the problem would be solved and also how easily. As I explained with the example of visiting the doctor concerning a health issue. Jyotish explains how the nature responds to each of your actions in a particular way, according to a set of rules. As I said, many of my serious prayers were not accepted and those subjects took a shape of miserable ends at last. There is nothing to blame God for not listening to me, nor to blame the people who acted to 'materialize' the events in this world, nor my prayer was insincere or anything. Because when I consult my horoscope, it clearly and prominently shows those areas of life worsening in the exact time periods when it happened in real. So actually it is not that the God did not listen to me, but the things just happened the way they were supposed to happen, and also in the exact time frame. Also, I see that the results of my successful prayers were also to happen as per my horoscope. So not my prayers granted them for me. So it all shows that prayers etc. is not going to affect the life but whatever is to happen would happen. By simple prayers and other good deeds we can not get something done. But there are systematic keys to all these. As an example a password protected file in your PC would need the exact password to open it and does not matter whatever you do, it would not open. Even deleting the file itself is not the answer. Similarly in our life each and every problem needs a password, a specific action to be done to solve it. Otherwise whatever you do, it would not work because it just needs the correct answer, or step of action to get it accomplished. And a good knowledge in Jyotish or Vedic Astrology tells us a lot of passwords to open many files i.e., solve many of our problems. Otherwise even deleting the file itself, or a suicide is no solution. As per Hinduism, God has given us Jyotish to deal with the life, karma and destiny and this is just the set of rules controlling our lives. God knows them the best and not us. So we should follow his path. The manufacturers of your PC knows the best how to operate it and take care of it, you must follow their instructions to operate it. Jyotish answers such questions why people act so cruel to you sometimes. It shows us the divine miracle that each of us act in a very planned and controlled way to build the destiny as it was planned. You will surprisingly notice that whatever had to happen to you as per your horoscope is exactly happening, and to make them happen in the planned way, the people around you are behaving in a complete planned way! Your fate is composed by the activities of people related to or around you, and their action and reaction about you is just what is indicated in your chart. That is why when a 'have been faithful wife' leaves you being most unbelievably cruel and showing dramatic infidelity, you will actually see that both your horoscopes indicated something like that in that time! Thus whatever we do is planned and is used to make the destiny of us and people around us. In other words if you are killed then it is just your destiny to be killed and you need a person in your life who will kill you. And the person who will kill you carries a destiny to kill someone and he needs someone in his life to kill. So you play a role in his life by being his victim and he plays a role in your life by killing you. And these two events in your horoscopes are set to happen on the same day same time, and so you meet and the conditions runs to that stage to make it possible! It's all about playing different roles in each other's lives, and that is why in Hinduism it has been said that this Samsara (life in world) is actually a drama or role playing, we play roles in each others lives and learn our lessons this way. That is why we really do not do anything but we are made do all the things. So basically and truly, you really can not blame anyone for whatever they did to you, all you can blame is your destiny or fate! That is why we often say stuff like, "Even such a nice person like him did this to me, this is all my fate!" And this is very true. The agents of karma, the nine planets make people do all the things to you, as either reward or punishment. That is why even a most faithful wife can do most immoral act, but actually it is not her fault, but both your destiny say so through your horoscopes. That is why the sages and enlightened personages like the saints never blame anyone for anything, nor they hate anyone or get angry at anyone ever, because they all see it clearly that it is not our fault. And though many of us see it, but can not act as per it, being limited with maya and illusions, and the desire toward all happiness and joy etc. That is the difference between them and us. They practice non attachment while we attach ourselves more and more to this race of greed and meanness. That is why, how much cruel or unfair someone behaves to you, or the whole world behaves cruel to you - no point to blame them or there is even no benefit to do so. If your horoscope says being cheated then you can really not blame anyone and even dealing with most honest people will result being cheated, even he might not do it intentionally. So there is no benefit blaming anyone or doing anything unless you focus upon the central cause, or the central system administrating all these in a particular way. And that you can do only through Jyotish. When you will look at your horoscope you will be definitely seeing the problems were to happen, and then you will see the actual cause for this, i.e. the agents of karma who do all these, and then when you will put effort in the 'real way' i.e. performing Jyotish remedies, you will see how easily and surprisingly the problems get easier or sometimes even get completely wiped off. And it all will happen in a way that you will understand the changes started taking place after you did the remedies, i.e. the positive events happened for the remedies and if you did not perform them, they would not have been happened so. You will surprisingly observe how people's reaction and behaviour to you changes surprisingly. For misfortune a most honest person can unintentionally end up cheating on you and for remedies you will rather see a most wicked sort of person is going fine with you. For remedies, you will see how easy everything becomes to you to handle. And then success and happiness will seem easy to you, and you will realize one ultimate truth that though a person works with qualification, he can not get his reward unless the nature responds to him. There is a saying that only losers and failures believe in fate. In practical I have seen it to be true to some degree. Because only an unsuccessful person who actually deserves to be successful sees and realizes how fate and destiny weighs him down all the times. Doing everything in the right way he can not get his goal and only then he realizes the truth. On the other hand the nature responds to each action of a successful person that is why it all seems to be easy to him and he 'perceives' that he is doing all these by his effort, but actually it is the nature to decide to who's effort it will respond. That is why sorrow, pains, problems, difficulties can teach us so much true lessons and facts that happiness and joy can never do. And that is why sorrow, difficulties, pains are all ruled by the eighth house in astrology which also does rule the ultimate truth and also spirituality and loneliness. That is why most of the spiritual people have achieved the ultimate spiritual realizations through pains, grief, loneliness etc. This is just a mere example how facts around us are astrologically justified. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Cellular: +88 0189407202 Mail: lord_narayana Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com Forum: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Your views are very practical, and I read your write ups from long ago and I have a strong impression that you OBSERVE life closely with it's each step and you do THINK about them seriously to come to conclusion. By the way, I have the same conclusion about free will and karma. Like you I am also very confident that this is THE ANSWER. Wish to see your chart some day. Thanks, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Cellular: +88 0189407202 Mail: lord_narayana Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com Forum: - Das Goravani valist Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:51 PM Re: Essay : "Life is not fair" > There are some serious incorrect information about the things we are taught > from our boyhood, like pray to God he will listen to you, do good things God > will be kind towards you, etc. etc. Correct. That idea is complete hogwash, that "God" is "listening to prayers" and sadly, many Indian Yogis and Yoginis like Amma and others are still teaching this garbage. Actually, there is no proof that there is a "God" at all. A singular controlling personality who "hears" the prayers of humans. I realize there is much proof pointing to the existence of some substance around the issues of "God" and "Prayer", indeed, but, it is not exact, nor conclusive, it is very vague and general. I have had a life full of "God" and in the last 4 years, intense inner emotional and mental pain. In order to survive and not kill myself, I have come to the point of using other techniques to "make it through" and survive, and get the best out of life that I can, and these involve things like controlling my mind and emotions myself, and NOT giving over the job to someone else, including "God". I have come to the point of total self responsibility, self will, self mind control, self emotional control. For example, I force myself to turn away from negative thoughts. I force myself to turn away from lust, which is a real trigger for depression for me. I force myself to REMEMBER positive things like "work on your problems slowly towards a better tommorrow". These kinds of things are working for me now. If I have anything to say about God helping me, it would be the old saying: "God helps those who help themselves" I think that the positive effects of being into "God" like an Amma follower or Christ follower are actually derived from the self mind control they are doing thereby. That's how the benefits of Krishna Consciousness came for me. By following "the God", you END UP doing good works, having controlled good (pure) thoughts, and thus YOU keep YOUR LIFE on a right track, whereas, when you are just without any religion, you are MORE LIKELY to partake of the television, the drink, the common life, and thus get embroiled in the lower thought realm of lust and desire etc., and you experience more pain. So it's the SIDE EFFECTS of religion that make it tick, moreso than the direct philosophy, which really often doesn't make sense and doesn't work. That's my findings. I've gone from being a personalit to an impersonalist, but for sure, I still think that we have to figure out a path to happiness and work it, because the world can and will suck you down and chew you up if you are simply adrift without any plan, without any controls internally. Forgive my generalizations and see my point. Thank you. Peace Das Goravani, Pres. Service http://www.dancingmooninc.com Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Not so very practical when the Human species are under the control of Three Modes of Material Nature followed by the Four defects of the Material concept of life, we, the individual human being have very little to no practical control, and we learn lesson through our mistake with direct or indirect experience through proper or improper knowledge coming from perfect or imperfect source. In this case of Das Prabhu, why, what, when, how he feels and thinks that is due to the influence of the Planetary system in his natal chart as every one of us is experiencing in our daily life. Tanvir, you wrote below that you wish to see Das's chart some day. Das did post his birth details not too long ago on this forum which are ; May 18,1960, Time 4.42 am. zone 8 dst.1, Oakland, Calif, Long.122w16, Lat.37n48., and see what you have to say. With my best wishes..............................Amar Puri. >"Tanvir" <ultimate >valist ><valist> >Re: Essay : "Life is not fair" >Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:35:57 +0600 > >Your views are very practical, and I read your write ups from long ago and >I have a strong impression that you OBSERVE life closely with it's each >step and you do THINK about them seriously to come to conclusion. > >By the way, I have the same conclusion about free will and karma. Like you >I am also very confident that this is THE ANSWER. > >Wish to see your chart some day. > >Thanks, >Tanvir. > > > >What can not happen, can never happen. >Which is mine, is forever mine. > >Tanvir Chowdhury >Cellular: +88 0189407202 >Mail: lord_narayana >Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com >Forum: > > - > Das Goravani > valist > Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:51 PM > Re: Essay : "Life is not fair" > > > > > There are some serious incorrect information about the things we are >taught > > from our boyhood, like pray to God he will listen to you, do good >things God > > will be kind towards you, etc. etc. > > > Correct. That idea is complete hogwash, that "God" is "listening to > prayers" and sadly, many Indian Yogis and Yoginis like Amma and others >are > still teaching this garbage. > > > Actually, there is no proof that there is a "God" at all. A singular > controlling personality who "hears" the prayers of humans. > > I realize there is much proof pointing to the existence of some >substance > around the issues of "God" and "Prayer", indeed, but, it is not exact, >nor > conclusive, it is very vague and general. > > I have had a life full of "God" and in the last 4 years, intense inner > emotional and mental pain. In order to survive and not kill myself, I >have > come to the point of using other techniques to "make it through" and > survive, and get the best out of life that I can, and these involve >things > like controlling my mind and emotions myself, and NOT giving over the >job to > someone else, including "God". > > I have come to the point of total self responsibility, self will, self >mind > control, self emotional control. For example, I force myself to turn >away > from negative thoughts. I force myself to turn away from lust, which is >a > real trigger for depression for me. > > I force myself to REMEMBER positive things like "work on your problems > slowly towards a better tommorrow". These kinds of things are working >for > me now. If I have anything to say about God helping me, it would be the >old > saying: > > "God helps those who help themselves" > > I think that the positive effects of being into "God" like an Amma >follower > or Christ follower are actually derived from the self mind control they >are > doing thereby. That's how the benefits of Krishna Consciousness came >for > me. By following "the God", you END UP doing good works, having >controlled > good (pure) thoughts, and thus YOU keep YOUR LIFE on a right track, >whereas, > when you are just without any religion, you are MORE LIKELY to partake >of > the television, the drink, the common life, and thus get embroiled in >the > lower thought realm of lust and desire etc., and you experience more >pain. > > So it's the SIDE EFFECTS of religion that make it tick, moreso than the > direct philosophy, which really often doesn't make sense and doesn't >work. > > That's my findings. > > I've gone from being a personalit to an impersonalist, but for sure, I >still > think that we have to figure out a path to happiness and work it, >because > the world can and will suck you down and chew you up if you are simply > adrift without any plan, without any controls internally. > > Forgive my generalizations and see my point. Thank you. > > Peace > > > > > Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > > Service > > > > > > http://www.dancingmooninc.com > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Links > > > > > _______________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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