Stationary Nodes and political charts - elections

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christopher,

 

Yes I noticed that myself, it does seem that many out there seem to

be picking John Kerry as the election winner due to bias, rather than

clear astrological indications.

 

We should as astrologers try and look at a chart dispassionately and

see it for what it is. And not as a product of our own conditionings

and expectations.

Otherwise we are limiting ourselves in our understanding of astrology.

 

I am sure as you say, if something positive is said about the chart

of someone others dislike, then its easier to say nothing, than to go

against popular opinion...

 

nevertheless prompted by your posts, here are a few of my

observations.

 

 

 

This tends to reflect on astrology badly in the sense, if an

astrologer sees a client, how much of the reading is from the chart

and how much is from personal bias?

 

In my experience, from time to time a client will try and

deliberately decieve you to test you out, for various reasons. So its

good to be alert to the indications of the natal chart and the prasna

(horary chart) and not be put off.

 

Of course omens should be taken into account.

 

One has to try and develop an unbiased mind that concentrates on the

CHART in question.

 

Personally speaking I was surprised at how good president bushs chart

actually is when I first looked at it three years back. Surprisingly

spiritual for a politician for example. Esp an american one.

 

It seems to show it regardless of what system you use. For example

his MC falls on the midpoint of Neptune -Pluto

An intensified and purified soul life, high spiritual aspirations,

self knowledge, mystical peculiarities.

 

>From Sun and Moon lagnas the dharma lords, ie 5th, 9th, and 1st house

lords are conjunct. Thats exceedingly strong. not to mention if you

look at their Nakshatra Lords and sublords,

 

His AK is exalted in the 5th house in navamsa. An extraordinarily

strong navamsa.

 

A peculiarity of the chart worth pointing out is that apart from the

aspect of Saturn from the ascendant to Moon -Jupiter, the two sets of

planetary friends are quite separate. ie saturn mercury and venus are

friends. and then theres moon mars sun and jupiter.. Here we see they

dont mix...... even to the extent Saturn is in its own nakshatra and

sub, mercury is happily placed in its own nakshatra and sub, and

venus is in Mercury star saturn sub.

 

Sunis even is in Jupiter star jupiter sub Moon in Mars star mars

sub.

 

As we know planetary friendships are derived from the planets ruling

the 5th and 9th houses from the sign ruled by a planet being friends,

and those ruling the 6th-8th- 12th houses are enemies... etc

 

So as a result Saturn Mercury and venus rule trines from each other.

So they are happily placed with their friends in the ascendant strong

in their own stars. and dharma rulers from sun and moon.

 

Looking at dasamsa and dreskana charts one sees that saturn mercury

and venus keep in trinal positions in both charts. dasamsa is ones

deeds in the world and dreskana is not only siblings, but allies.....

 

Thus the natal strength of those planets is working in those charts.

 

The navamsa has a strong 10th house thats quite out of the ordinary

and exalted atmakaraka in the 5th.

 

The last few years Neptune has been transiting exactly opposite the

natal ascendant of GW Bush which may in fact have clouded the public

view of him.

 

Because thats an extraordinary chart.

 

Yes it took me by surprise..... I have looked at a lot of charts and

was not really expecting to see such a chart belonging to an american

president.

 

But as astrologers we have to be honest about the charts and not

swayed

 

 

IN terms of the election:

The chart for when president bush accepted the nomination is also

showing stronger indications that the time john kerry accepted the

nomination.

 

 

IN the current situation we are looking at an election... John kerrys

chart has a few problems in it

John kerry also has his saturn falling on the mercury mars midpoint.

= Keep thinking, good powers of concentration

Inhibited powers of decisions, a slow of sluggish mode of thinking.

The desire to harm others, the tendency to say bad things, the

inclination to bring harm to oneself by exaggerating, separation,

caused through quarrelling.

and also saturn falls on the mars mc midpoint=

The inability to make decisions or to concentrate on an objective,

inhibitions - disadvantages throught exaggerated zeal, actions

resulting in faiure, hte act of separation, suffering harm or damage.

 

his mercury neptune mc midpoints all fall on each other

 

for example mc falling on mercury-neptune midpoint =

a rich inner life full of imagination, far reaching ideas and plans,

intuitive thinking, sympathetic understanding of other people.

The art of deceiving oneself, to go the wrong way. TO LIE>

 

mercury on neptune mc=

The tendency to think on the wrong lines, wrong perceptions and

objectives the wrong judgement on things observed and percieved

(ERBERTINS INTERPRETATIONS)

 

On election day (and prior to it) kerry has several midpoint transits

involving neptune, suggesting deviousness and associations with

crooks and suchlike

for example Nepune on Sun Mercury natal midpoint. = the experience

of deception

Pluto over neptune asc midpoint

Neptune over moon mercury midpoint

neptune on sun neptune natal midpoint.

Rahu on jupiter neptune midpint

Neptune on neptune mc midopint

On the day sun on moon neptune midpoint

 

Rahu on jupiter neptune midpint= false hopes . assocations with naive

persons, swindles and specualatoins.

Neptune on neptune mc midopint = associations with crooks and

swindlers 'man of talk but not of actoin

 

The sidereal Lunar return falling prior to the November election on

oct 13 2004 for GW Bush is also interesting. Pluto falls 1 degree off

the MC. Uranus close to the ascendant. Sun 26 Virgo conjuncts natal

Jupiter at 25 virgo. (moon 23 virgo of course) and transiting mars 17

virgo, Jupiter 10 Virgo, makes a powerful stellium. Yokakaraka for

aquarius asd Venus conjuncts natal yogakaraka (strongest planet for

chart) mars within a degree. No planets are debilitated in theis

lunar return.

 

Kerry of course has transiting Jupiter Venus on his MC neptune natal

conjunction. Plutos just gone past his sun and opposite his moon.

Both venus and sun are debilitated in the chart (oct 31 2004). Sun

squares natal pluto. Certainly theres a struggle for power there and

the limelight. Mercury square Jupiter might suggest he exaggerates or

makes a few mistakes in what he says. The square to Uranus might mean

he says something without planning it. or something of that nature

happens to him.

 

On election day GW Bush has Jupiter transiting his natal Moon and

Jupiter placement and saturn on natal saturn placement. Some have

suggested thats a bad indication. Well

 

President Bush also has some strong personal links between his natal

chart and that of the USA.. both natally and by solar return.

 

I am using the USA 4th July 1776 5.10pm chart for this

 

but if you look at the solar returns (sidereal of course) you will

notice correspondence to the natal chart of President Bush, in year

after year...

 

This year the solar return of USA falls on 8th july 2004 3.25am. GW

Bush falls on jul 6th 4.12am

 

The odd thing is the ASCENDANT. in the solar returns. Each year the

US moon is one sign after GWBushs SO

USA ascendant 2gemini52

GWBush ascendant 3gemini 31

 

2005 July 8 2005 9.33 =USA Jul 6th 10.21 GWBush

The odd thing is the ASCENDANT.

NOTE. USA 18leo 14 GWBUSH 18leo 01

 

I have not researcher prevous presidents to see if this has happened

before. I dont know if any previous presidents share a close birthday

 

mathematically the chances of the ascendant coming withint 2 degrees

are 180 to 1. 4 degrees 90-1.

 

And as theres been 43 presidents its unusual. Two counts, one, a

close birthday, second. ascendant of solar returns to come close.

 

What are the chances?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

valist, "Christopher Kevill"

<christopher.kevill@s...> wrote:

> Dear Janna,

>

> Thanks for the St Augustine chart -- I'll check it out. The 1845

chart

> represents the incorporation of the state of Florida into the USA.

>

> The nodes are a tricky subject and yet they are so important for

assessing a

> chart. I think our better understanding of the nodes is one of the

reasons

> why Vedic astrology is better at prediction and life assessment

than western

> astrology. While they are both natural malefics, they can bring

blessings

> and good times if they are under positive influences, either by

transit or

> natally. More than any other planets, Rahu and Ketu absorb and

refract the

> influences upon them. They have their own peculiar character in

which they

> transfer the energy in the chart.

>

> I hadn't thought about the hurricanes as omens, but I guess they

could be.

> If one uses a USA chart from July 4 1776, then Saturn's station in

early

> November falls exactly on Mercury, which is another reason why we

can't

> expect the election to run smoothly.

>

> On Bush -- yes, I do see him winning re-election, although I'm no

fan of

> his policies. I find I have to say that because so many

astrologers are

> picking Kerry to win (esp. western astrologers for some reason).

Most of

> these astrologers are left-leaning themselves, so perhaps that's

part of a

> larger bias problem. (I know have this problem when reading charts

for

> friends: I want so much for good things to happen so it's tougher

to be

> objective) It almost seems like if you predict Bush to win, it is

somehow

> interpreted that you support his policies.

>

> Chris

>

>

> -

> "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn>

> <valist>

> Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:39 PM

> Re: Stationary Nodes

>

>

>

> Dear Chris: Your insights are thought-provoking since I

intuitionally

> thought

> that the hurricanes have been "a warning" about the US 2000/04

> elections

> (with the People suffering the consequences, not the officials, as I

> think the

> People also will if Bush is re-elected. I think it was on your web

> site that you

> place Bush in a good position to be re-elected, and I think the

> consequences

> will be disastrous for this country, with the People paying the

price

> for lack of

> discernment in re-electing him).

>

> But I do see Ketu's 5th aspect on the FL chart (Mar 3 1845 00.00 LMT

> Tallahassee), which you've pointed out. (Interestingly, I had pulled

> up one

> somewhere for St. Augustine, which was the first European settlement

> in

> 1565, but I think your point is that the establishment of the

> "government"

> (Tallahasee) in turn impacted by the hurricanes is in need of

> "cleansing," and

> interestingly, the course of Hurricane Ivan is now scheduled to make

> landfall

> closer to Tallahasee than South Florida, and I agree with you I

think

> the

> hurricanes are an "omen" for what is yet to come in the 2004

election

> (as in

> Greek and Shakespearean tragedy).

>

> I've put the St Augustine chart below (not sure of its accuracy);

> it's also watery

> with nurturing Cancer lagna/Leo Sun.

>

> Thanks for your insights.

>

> Janna

>

> Based on Chart for Saint Augustine, FL August 28, 1565 3:33 am

> Date of Birth 28/8/1565

> Time 03:33:30 Zone: -5.0

> Country USA

> City/District Saint Augustine

> Longitude 81:19 Latitude : 29:54

> Day Saving Time NO(also for War Time Correction)

> West North

>

> Degrees of Planets

> House

> Degrees Rasi Lord Nakshatra Nav

> Ascendant 23°18'52" Can Moon Ashlesha Cap

> Sun 26°29'2" Leo Sun Purva Phalguni Sco

> Moon 27°2'16" Vir Mar Chitra Vir

> Mars 26°46'42" Tau Ven Mrigashira Vir

> Mercury 0°10'19" Vir Mar Uttara Phalguni Cap

> Jupiter 0°37'24" Vir Mar Uttara Phalguni Cap

> Venus 6°42'42" Vir Mar Uttara Phalguni Pis

> Saturn 6°2'16" Leo Sun Magha Tau

> Uranus 20°26'5" Sco Mar Jyeshtha Cap

> Neptune 24°38'34" Tau Ven Mrigashira Leo

> Pluto 29°15'58" Aqu Sat Purva Bhadrapada Gem

> Rahu 17°21'51" Sco Mar Jyeshtha Sag

> Ketu 17°21'51" Tau Ven Rohini Gem

>

>

> valist, "Christopher Kevill"

> <christopher.kevill@s...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Janna,

> >

> > Just a note on the possible nodal influence on Florida this

> hurrican season.

> > If you use the Florida horoscope (Mar 3 1845 00.00 LMT

Tallahassee)

> you

> get

> > 8 Scorpio rising. Since Rahu and Ketu will be stationed on this

> degree in

> > other signs, this is likely to create some noteworthy events, and

> it's more

> > than likely that they will be interruptions of the status quo.

> That is one

> > thing that nodes often do -- they are a force for change.

> >

> > Ketu is more trouble than Rahu, and it will be Ketu that will

aspect

> > Florida's equal 4th house cusp (8Aquarius) of residences and

> population,

> so

> > it's possible that there will be more damaging storms in the

coming

> two

> > months. (I think that transit Saturn's square to Pluto won't help

> in this

> > regard) Since the 4th house also rules other things, I think other

> > developments are possible. Given the shady history of Florida's

> electoral

> > practices, I think we have to pay close attention to the run-up

and

> > aftermath of the election in that battleground state.

> >

> > hope this helps,

> > Chris

> >

> >

> > -

> > "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn>

> > <valist>

> > Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:54 AM

> > Stationary Nodes

> >

> >

> > > Dear List:

> > >

> > > The nodes are stationary today 8* Aries-Libra through 25

> November. Is

> > > there

> > > anyone knowledgeable about how the nodes impact a chart in Vedic

> > > astrology could someone direct me to someone who has written

about

> > > it?

> > >

> > > Could the nodal station have an impact on the hurricanes in

> Florida?

> > > Or is

> > > there a planetary combination (or planets) that influences

severe

> > > natural

> > > phenonomena such as hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc.?

> Could

> > > there

> > > be a correlation with the Leo Sun-Mars combustion exact

September

> 15,

> > > 29*?

> > > What is the general interpretation for this conjunction?

> > >

> > > Thank you for any illumination anyone can provide.

> > >

> > > Janna

> > >

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